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What the hell went wrong with this series?

>> No.5609810

>>5609523
Blue Sphere was the last good entry. My guess is that they gave up trying to have characters as fun as those from 2. They rode an (incomplete) anime and manga, and were not matched since.

>> No.5609831

>>5609810
the anime was great but it's a shame it ended when claude went to the second world

>> No.5609835

>>5609523
>2nd Story
Was great. 3 and 4 were a mistakes.

>> No.5610102
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What were they THINKING?

>> No.5610169

The same thing happened to it that happened to the whole video game industry, most ips didn't survive. There was a weird refusal to return to a formula that worked and everybody wanted more of.

I even enjoy star ocean 3 despite being a huge step backwards and 4D space ruining the storyline of all the games that preceded it. In a vacuum I still enjoyed the game, but there were so many boneheaded decisions. Here is an example of the brain rot that started to haunt this ip, to go from an elegant airship system that makes the world very accessible in a game that encourages exploration, to giving you no air ship and no warp points (until the end of the game) in a game that also encourages returning to towns over and over again and tons of backtracking all over the map is 10/10 retarded, especially when the solution was already established in the series in the previous game. Star Ocean 2 had a complex item creation and crafting system that required careful planning and skill resource management, the actual process of crafting of was fast and easily accessed through the menu, making it fun and worth spending hours on. In 3, they make crafting an important part of the game, of course they dumb it down considerably, but now they make it so you have to go all the way back to the town just to do crafting...in a game with no fucking transportation. So now even trial and error is a way out of the way hassle, and if you happen to forget an item somewhere good luck. Some of these decisions are bafflingly stupid and they add up. It feels like some of this stuff came straight out of a corporate board room that never played a star ocean game and decided to overthunk and go for extra realism in a magical sci fi game. Even the private action system went to shit...and it still had enough carry over from 2, I was still able to enjoy it. The entries after were just full on retarded, the bad decisions and corporate garbage made the series unrecognizable and unplayable.

>> No.5611202

>>5609523
>What the hell went wrong

Can't go wrong when you were never right to begin with.

>premise of the series is to make a sci-fi RPG instead of a fantasy one
>every game takes place on a single planet with swords and magic like any other RPG and the sci-fi elements are just window dressing

>> No.5611215
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5611215

Name a worse MC. Protip: you can't

>> No.5611569

>>5611215
Friendzoned.

>> No.5611581

>>5610102
I mean on a technical level I don't mind what the PSP remake did. The problem is that they tossed out a lot of the more interesting ideas of the original (like the continuous overworld between locations) for being more like SO2 (so you get just a generic overworld map). They turned a SNES game into a pseudo-PS1 game with a lot of voice acting and sorta-high resolution artwork and it gets the job done.

>> No.5611594

I wish they made a narikiri dungeon of star ocean, just a bunch of quests, grinding and combat with an all-star cast, story is there but is largely optional.

>> No.5612168

>>5611215
This kind of shit is why I had Rena end up with Barrel Boy in my first playthrough.

>> No.5613256

>>5611594
I wish they hadn't make Star Ocean at all.

>> No.5613262
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>>5613256
I wish they hadn't made me at all.

>> No.5613376

star ocean 2 is the only jarpig i like and i'm not entirely sure why

>> No.5613441

>>5613376
Think it might be all the crazy mechanics?

>> No.5613449

>>5609523
Last Star Ocean game I played was that one on PS3 where all the characters looked like dead soulless dolls. The characters were just way too fucking creepy.

>> No.5613461

>>5613441
yeah there's lots of stuff going on so it's probably that, but i also kind of enjoyed the story, setting, characters, art, music, etc. it just feels really epic for some reason and i have lots of nostalgia for the game

>> No.5613465

2nd story was fucktarted and completely just glosses over the fact that you murder everyone on Energy Nede at the end.

>> No.5613476

>>5609523
It didn't have monster trucks

>> No.5613572

>>5609523
the cover looks like it's fucking who wants to be a millionaire game, it's atrocious

>> No.5613575

>>5610102
and now SO1 is getting another remake

>> No.5613582

>>5613575
It's not really a remake, just a remaster/port of the PSP remake to modern consoles.

>> No.5613586

>>5609523
>>5609810
>>5609835
>>5610169
gitgud at star ocean 3

>> No.5613591

>>5613582
oh, didn't know gematsu made a mistake until i checked their article again just now

>> No.5615629

funny enough(or sadly depending on you), one of the best SO things in a while is the mobile game.
they are currently collabing with valkyrie profile, and are using that opportunity to give VP some nice content.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nt5GO7NcUZI
even hrist gets a story for once

>> No.5616562

>>5613582
iirc, 2PSP is already on PS4, right? Wouldn't surprise me to see it come west with a Switch port if 1PSP does well.

>> No.5616862

>>5613461
It's a very surreal ambient world and there is so much weird shit to find and do all over, some of which you can make sense of some of it you feel like you don't have enough information to understand that it gives the feeling of a living world around you that if you just walk around not doing the main story you'll always find something new to do or some new Easter egg, there's always something more for the player to explore. It's rare for a jrpg to capture this feeling, SO2 does the best job of it of any game I played.

>> No.5616864

>>5613586
>gitgud at very easy game
Why do retards post shit like this? It's no better than spam.

>> No.5617195

>>5609523
the jump to 3d ruined half the charm, fiddling with the battle system too much ruined the other half
at least 4's battle system was fun unlike 3's

>> No.5619070

>>5613586
>side kick everything to death.

wow hard game.

>> No.5619678

>>5613575
HOLY CRACKERS

thanks for valuing me in anon

>> No.5620027

>>5613582
Very cool. I hope they do one for SO2. I will be getting the Switch version for sure.

>> No.5620032

>>5620027
Please no, the SO2 remake they already made took a big enough shit on the game already, let it die with some honor

>> No.5620192

>>5620027
they already did the second on vita and ps4 in japan. it'll probably come westward if the first's port does well.

>> No.5620230

>>5609523
I don't know that it was ever good as a series. I always see people saying skip 1, 3, 4 and 5. They only seem to really like 2 and act like the rest are crap.

>> No.5621192

>>5620230
I like 1 well enough. I'd say it, 2, and the Gameboy game are all pretty decent to good.

>> No.5622013

>>5620032
What exactly did the remake do to make it worse?

>> No.5622060

>>5619070
>>5616864
t. never beat star ocean 3