/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.5604696]

Why do CRTs make retro games look so much better?
Is it the scanlines? The texture? The inherent anti-aliasing effect it has on those chunky pixels?

[Anonymous No.5604698]

the fact that they're designed to be displayed on one.

[Anonymous No.5604702]

It's the fact they are standard-resolution games that are meant to be displayed on CRTs and not at stretched resolutions on high-definition resolution screens.

[Anonymous No.5604708]

>>5604696
makes me nostalgic for getting up close and personal with one and looking at the individual pixels and feeling the static buzz
probably messed with my eyes and gave me cancer whoops lol

[Anonymous No.5604710]

>>5604708
>worries about CRT cancer
>is oblivious to the thousands of cancer waves going through his body 24/7 in 2019

[Anonymous No.5604712]

>>5604698
>>5604702
Yeah thanks, assholes. Why try to quantify something when you can make blanket statements and trash another display technology at the same time?

[Anonymous No.5604716]

>>5604712
Nobody trashed HD displays, they are great for HD media.

[Anonymous No.5604721]

>>5604716
They’re great for retro games too desu.

[Anonymous No.5604729]

>>5604721
Serviceable but not great. It's stretched.

[Anonymous No.5604737]

>>5604721
that looks fucking disgusting

[Anonymous No.5604740]

>>5604721
Yikes.

[Anonymous No.5604742]

>>5604729
>>5604737
>>5604740
Triggered CRTrannies. Cute.

[Anonymous No.5604743]

>>5604742
>can't afford a CRT
cute

[Anonymous No.5604745]

>>5604737
YEAH DUDE IT NEEDS MORE OVERSCAN CUTTING OFF THE SCREEN AND FUCKED GEOMETRY

FUCK A CLEAN IMAGE I NEED MEMELINES AND BLUR FOR MAXIMUM VIEWING PLEASURE

[Anonymous No.5604746]

>>5604742
Cope.

[Anonymous No.5604747]

>>5604745
why are you so mad, though? Did a CRT fuck your girlfriend or something?

[Anonymous No.5604749]

>>5604743
You mean those things people are literally giving away for free?

[Anonymous No.5604751]

>>5604742
Not triggered. I said it's serviceable, as in, you can tell what's on the screen etc. But you can't expect a 240p game plastered at 720 or 1080 screens and pretend it's great. It's ok. It works, but not what developers intended, clearly.

[Anonymous No.5604752]

>>5604746
Seethe.

>>5604751
Death of the author. I don’t give a fuck what they intended. Unless Shiggy is going to come to my house and lick my asshole clean, his intent means fuck all.

[Anonymous No.5604758]

>>5604752
lmao I bet that shit tier screen is OLED as well.
Tell me it's at least IPS.

[Anonymous No.5604763]

>>5604758
>IPS better than OLED
>Didn’t even mention 4k in his previous post
You’re a third worlder, ain’t ya?

[Anonymous No.5604764]

OP
>Hey guys, what makes CRTs look better?
20 posts later from the video game world's greatest minds
>F-f-f-fuck you!
>No anon you idiot fuck YOU!!!!

Gamers are embarrassing kidbrains

[Anonymous No.5604765]

>>5604763
nice TV, Jamal. OLED is best, as the commercials say.
Fucking idiot, kek.

[Anonymous No.5604786]

>>5604696

Its the sheer phosphor luminosity. Everything else can be somewhat replicated on an LCD.

[Anonymous No.5604791]

>>5604721
pic unrelated? because that looks like shit

[Anonymous No.5604797]

>>5604786
>Everything else can be somewhat replicated on an LCD
You mean OLED.
Inb4
>hurr I can't afford a new one if I'm retarded enough to get permanent burn-in
Decent phones start at $1k these days. Stop being so fucking poor.

[Anonymous No.5604801]

>>5604797
>Emulating on a fucking phone

[Anonymous No.5604806]

>>5604801
Point is that cheap disposable phones cost $1k so getting a $2k OLED TV every other year really shouldn't be a problem for anyone.

[Anonymous No.5604809]

>>5604696
>look so much better
they don't

[Anonymous No.5604810]

>>5604806
imagine being this privileged

[Anonymous No.5604812]

>>5604809
Based

[Anonymous No.5604816]

>>5604806
>just downgrade bro, who cares if it's expensive

[Anonymous No.5604824]

>>5604810
It's called not being in the gutter.
>>5604816
From what exactly? A CRT? For retro games? Sure. Everything else? Nah.

[Anonymous No.5604826]

>>5604816
Paying to downgrade is cool unless you're homeless

[Anonymous No.5604830]

>>5604824
OLED is snake oil tech for double digit IQ americans.
I bet you think Tesla is a nice car as well.

[Anonymous No.5604840]

>>5604830
Calm down, Carlos. I’m sure if you could afford one you’d love playing your Famiclones it.

[Anonymous No.5604842]

>>5604840
I wouldn't because I'm financially literate. Stay poor, friend.

[Anonymous No.5604846]

>>5604842
>N-no u
Cope, Carlos. Cope.

[Anonymous No.5604849]

>>5604846
spend another 2 grand on a TV designed to break, shit-for-brains.

[Anonymous No.5604854]

Imagine not spending toilet paper aka cash to do things the wrong way just to show everyone that you can. LMAO at CRT peasants.

[Anonymous No.5604857]

>>5604721
ew dude.
>>5604712
triggered probably because the only crt in your area costs $700

[Anonymous No.5604865]

>>5604854
>Still seething

[Anonymous No.5604870]

>>5604830
I really can't imagine what it's like wanting something so badly, but because you can't afford it, you have to convince yourself that it's awful.

[Anonymous No.5604929]

>>5604870
I'm from /g/. Wouldn't take an OLED screen even if you paid me.
Same reason I traded my Galaxy S9 for a Pocophone -- IPS is better.

[Anonymous No.5604957]

>>5604929
>I’m from /g/
Cool. That doesn’t make you some sort of authority on display types.

[Anonymous No.5604960]

>>5604696
The picture quality is as fuzzy as your nostalgia.

[Anonymous No.5604961]

the CRT kind of blends pixels together and creates a natural bilinear interpolation of its nearest neighbor, squint your eyes at an HD monitor until its fuzzy, its kind of like that

[Anonymous No.5604968]

>>5604929
Holy shit lol

>>5604957
This, very very obviously

[Anonymous No.5604973]

>>5604929
the new stuff is all laggy bullshit when it comes down to it

[Anonymous No.5604982]

>>5604742
Cope some more LEDfag

[Anonymous No.5604991]

>>5604721
>mfw

[Anonymous No.5604992]

>>5604957
it makes me able to laugh at idiots who buy into shitty tech.

[Funcoland Clown No.5605017]

>>5604992
This is your phone (left) that you traded an oled phone (ie right) for, which has gotten you on a bandwagon for TVs too and furthermore which you hold up as making you an authority on CRTs.

Just want to make a post with 100% objective facts about you in it for everyone to evaluate independently

[Anonymous No.5605019]

>>5605017
Based Funker

[Funcoland Clown No.5605029]

>>5605019
I bet he'll say something like "enjoy your burn-in"

[Anonymous No.5605256]

The biggest element is the color.

sRGB primaries that LCD panels aim to represent are too dark and spread out for the RGB primaries of CRT phosphors.

[Anonymous No.5605261]

Why doesn't a company produce a small line of modern, retro-game-focused CRTs? It's a niche market, but the demand would be there.

[Anonymous No.5605263]

>>5605017
Yes, let me evaluate the quality of these displays on my cheap display

[Anonymous No.5605265]

>>5605261
It would be absurdly expensive, even if they were only making a small number of CRTs.

[Anonymous No.5605268]

>>5605263
That’s on you, bud.
>He doesn’t have an OLED everything

[Anonymous No.5605270]

>>5605029
OLED is fucking trash. You bought into a marketing gimmick like a true smoothbrain instead of waiting for mLED. IPS is superior, tried and true, enjoy your oversaturated trash that becomes unusable in a year.

[Anonymous No.5605271]

>>5605268
that's because I have a brain

[Anonymous No.5605273]

>>5605270
>He still believes microLED will catch on

[Anonymous No.5605275]

>>5605271
Thought it was a walnut desu.

[Anonymous No.5605276]

>>5605273
yes, you bought a shitty stopgap solution.
You're the type of person who would have bought a 32X back in the day.

[Anonymous No.5605278]

>>5604721
>genesis 3
>great
HDTVs have drawbacks already, using a Genesis 3 is just further shooting yourself in the foot.

[Anonymous No.5605280]

>>5605276
I didn’t come from a broken home, so I didn’t own any Sega consoles.

[Anonymous No.5605295]

I didn't realize this thread was about modern displays. Fucking retards

[Anonymous No.5605296]

>>5605295
Why would you talk about what makes CRTs special if there was nothing to compare it to? Retard.

[Anonymous No.5605309]

>>5604721
i want to put you down in the street like a dog

[Anonymous No.5605592]

>>5604696
They don't though.
I play on my Plasma all the time and think it looks cleaner and sharper than it ever did on a CRT

[Anonymous No.5605602]

[Anonymous No.5605618]

>>5604721
>he doesn't know about the crt dithering effects
Get a load of this faggot, he thinks waterfalls in Sonic look like "lines".

[Anonymous No.5605645]

>>5605618
You don’t either, apparently. The waterfalls are blended only when using composite. It’s an effect independent of CRTs.

[Anonymous No.5605660]

>>5604696
Since you don't know I'm going to guess it's because someone told you. If it was nostalgia that would be the reason.

[Anonymous No.5605662]

>>5604745
What settings do y'all like?
I use an Ntsc filter if available, otherwise bilinear plus a minimal amount of memelines.
Overscan is only really noticeable in NES games when they use the part of the screen that's "supposed" to be cut off as a garbage dump, Mario 3 is a good example. I remove 8 pixels on all sides (based on mario 3) but there was no standard on tvs for how much screen area is blocked and some developers ignored nintendo's guidelines, like in Castlevania 1.
Curved screen effects just look like a fishbowl, 2real4me.

[Anonymous No.5606231]

>>5605278
Not him but you're retarded. Genesis 3 has some of the, if not the best video output of all Genesis revisions. It's only flaw is mono sound and it's not compatible with shitty add ons, or the decent sega cd.

[Anonymous No.5606242]

>>5604721
>>5605278
Based and redpilled

[Anonymous No.5606243]

>>5604696
All of that plus proper colour reproduction, high contrast etc.And no motion blur on movement and proper black levels. Also CRT's don't have a native resolution, they just display whatever resolution is being input so there's no bullshit stretching/blurring of the image.

[Anonymous No.5606302]

>>5606231
>it's only flaw is shit audio, and being incompatible with a ton of stuff, even including some Genesis games
Okay? You're not selling me on this. I don't see why it's retarded to expect real hardware to be fully functional.

[Anonymous No.5606350]

>>5605270
>enjoy your oversaturated trash
I thought you were only trying to justify your poor financial situation, but now I know you're just plain retarded.

[Anonymous No.5606449]

>>5604721

kek

[Anonymous No.5606459]

>>5606350
that'a okay Jamal, I don't want your crappy TV.

[Anonymous No.5606508]

>>5606459
And there it is again. Stay assblasted, poorfag.

[Anonymous No.5606618]

>>5604696
same reason that analog synths sound better than digital

[Anonymous No.5606636]

>>5604696
>Why do CRTs make retro games look so much better?
They don't. You've been brainwashed by /vr/ to believe so.

[Anonymous No.5606640]

>>5604698
Bullshit. They didn't even bother taking aspect ratio into consideration, let alone the kind of display used.

[Anonymous No.5606893]

What the fuck is wrong with everyone in this thread?

>fags getting mad at others playing on a CRT
That's the most retarded thing to ever get mad at. Of all time.

>people thinking SD media looks good on modern displays without a QUALITY upscale
Its literally provable that it looks like shit. This is not up for debate.

>People talking about "burn in" on OLED displays, while saying it goes away un the very same post.
That's not what Burn in is, you fucking retards. Thats IMAGE RETENTION for fucks sake.
Also, I got my Vita, which has an OLED display, at launch. It has no fucking image retention at all, and it's over half a decade old already. Also, it looks a hundred time better than the LED model.

[Funcoland Clown No.5606907]

>>5605270
With the exception of my phone I don't own any OLEDs. My HDTV is plasma and for /vr/ I go back and forth between that (with a proper signal supplied) and my CRTs unless I'm playing mobile in which case I have a secret stash of 320x240 native devices that just look like pure sex... But yeah, my 60 inch LG plasma recently developed a 1 pixel wide vertical line in it so I'm starting to poke around with oleds. You mad.

[Anonymous No.5607284]

>>5604721
Awful

[Anonymous No.5607307]

>>5604961
This man is correct.

[Anonymous No.5607310]

>>5604721
Based

[Anonymous No.5607340]

>>5605278
>that overscan

[Anonymous No.5607346]

>>5604721
Compare the colors

[Anonymous No.5607440]

>>5604742
Correct, I am triggered by your god-awful setup.

[Anonymous No.5607446]

>>5604696
It's entirely the flicker, which prevents sample-and-hold blur. High-end CRTs showed individual pixels clearly.

[Anonymous No.5607454]

>>5604721
Disgusting faggot.

[Anonymous No.5607480]

>>5607346
>Compare the colors
>between two different photos taken with different cameras

[Anonymous No.5607501]

>>5605278
Imagine thinking this looks good.

[Anonymous No.5607532]

Sharp scanlines can induce the McCollough effect. It's not so bad if you're using an older consumer set with RF or composite, but on a PVM via RGB you're asking for it.

[Anonymous No.5607542]

>>5605645

this is true.

but this, or RF, is by far how most of these game systems were connected in NTSC nations. So i have a tough time accepting these design elements were by accident.

[Anonymous No.5607670]

>>5604721
Based.

[Anonymous No.5607832]

>>5605618
I see the lines on my CRT. With the Saturn, I even see them clearly with composite.

[Anonymous No.5607915]

>>5604747
implying anyone on this thread has a girlfriend

[Anonymous No.5607927]

>>5607915
>on
based esl

[Anonymous No.5607974]

>>5607927
ok virgin. get mad at "on" instead of "in"
now thats a fuckin nitpicker

[Anonymous No.5607978]

>>5607974
simmer down

[Anonymous No.5608018]

>>5607346
Is this even a crt? Looks like a shitty filter.

[Anonymous No.5608030]

Well, I'm glad we reached the proper conclusion in this thread. Retro games look shit on both crts and hdtvs.

[Anonymous No.5608032]

>>5607915
>implying i'm not projecting

>>5607974
>nitpicker
Good thing to. Most ESLs have lice.

[Anonymous No.5608043]

>>5607978
An listen noo!

[Anonymous No.5608046]

Not a single good CRT in the thread. Sad!

[Anonymous No.5608962]

>>5604696
The NTSC cable mixed the colors, by distorting the signal.

The Tube would make the sprites look rounder, if it was a shadowmask or would hide the blockness if you was an apperture grill because of the scan lines.

It had a bloom effect, that made the whites look like was shining.

It has deep blacks, which is great for contrast.

The phosphors would leave a subtle trail, giving a sensation of movement in older tvs.

Some of these stuff can be emulated, like scanlines.

I believe it's needed a 4k or 8k display to proper display all of the phosphors correctly.

But there's one effect that is impossible for now, that is the deep blacks, no monitor is capable of doing blacks like the one that CRT had.

Most are really hard to do correctly, but it's possible. A CRT is not necessary with a perfect emulation.

Shouldn't we start an Open Source project?

I don't know much about programming though.

[Anonymous No.5608979]

>>5605618
This effect is pretty cool.

The CRT filter of Sonic Mania doesn't do that.

[Anonymous No.5608986]

>>5608962
>It has deep blacks, which is great for contrast.
ANSI contrast is horrendous on CRTs. And CRTs are grey when off and not black, so even if you play with the lights off, any light reflected by your walls or whatever will wreck whatever contrast there was.
>But there's one effect that is impossible for now, that is the deep blacks, no monitor is capable of doing blacks like the one that CRT had.
OLED

[Anonymous No.5608997]

>>5608986
>CRTs are grey when off and not black

I've noticed that. But they're pure black when on.

Strange effect by the way.

> any light reflected by your walls or whatever will wreck whatever contrast there was.
I don't know the physics, but the blacks of CRT were almost perfect.

> OLED
I heard that OLEDs had good blacks. Never used one though.

A very good emulation on a 4k or 8k with a high hz tv would probably do the trick.

240 hz TV would be need for displaying the fading trails.

There's a CRT emulator from a game called Super Win the Game.

It's not accurate, but it really feels like an old CRT. He even distribute a version of the CRT emulator for free.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AfFaGwFNIg

[Anonymous No.5609032]

>>5608997
Also, maybe a 240hz tv + fading effect would do the trick for interlaced images.

Which would fix the problems for games like Duck Hunt, if it displays a frame in less than 16ms.

[Anonymous No.5610820]

>>5608997
You sure packed a lot of stupid into that post. Which was ironically not packed but reddit spaced.

[Anonymous No.5611618]

>that picture of an HDTV looks awful, how do you play on it?
>b...but CRTs always look bad in pictures, they look good in person!

>Why would you not want a CRT, they're basically free!
>Y...you just had a bad experience because that was a cheap CRT!

>muh correct aspect ratio
>w...well the programmers didn't always account for aspect ratio.

/vr/etards, everyone.

[Anonymous No.5611620]

>>5608962
There are already very good filters, such as CRT Royale. Only monster GPUs can handle it well, though.

[Anonymous No.5611642]

>>5611618
Real talk: there are valid points on both sides.
While claiming that modern high-resolution screens look bad is ridiculous (some games arguably look better, whether intended or not), CRTs did have intrinsic advantages over other technologies, such as objectively superior contrast and much better scaling (since you don't have the concept of a native resolution).
A modern, high resolution TV (say, 4K or even 8K) with native-resolution content clearly looks better than any CRT did when it comes to sheer image detail. But considering the aforementioned CRT advantages, it would have been interesting to see CRTs being developed further to see how a hypothetically modern, quality CRT would compare against a LED/LCD or OLED screen.
It's sad that LCDs outright replaced CRTs instead of merely becoming an additional choice.

[Anonymous No.5611643]

>>5611618
Imagine being this retarded or alternatively baiting this much. Here's your (You).

[Anonymous No.5611650]

>>5611643
I laugh whenever I see this from a CRT cuck. They have no defense but childish insults. Very pathetic.

[Anonymous No.5611668]

>>5606907
What TV/device?

[Anonymous No.5611669]

>>5611650
>calls others retarded
>gets called a retard himself
>proceeds to cry about it
Big yikes.

[Anonymous No.5611676]

>>5611669
>still no real arguments
:^)

[Anonymous No.5611679]

>>5611676
You didn't provide any either, so why should anyone bother to indulge your faggotry?

[Anonymous No.5611683]

>>5611679
Man, this thread has been fun.

[Anonymous No.5611684]

>>5611683
And it's not even close to over. Be sure to stay around for more (You)s.

[Anonymous No.5611694]

>>5606640
4:3

[Anonymous No.5611734]

>>5610820
>I can't explain shit that makes sense so I'll call names and the le reddit spacey memey

I probably use 4chan for more time than you.

Only newfags use this 4chan meymey

Here's your (you), since you're so desperate for attention.

>>5611620
Yeah, I've tweaked it a lot, it even has an option for shadow mask in its config files.

But you can't load any game with it, and Retro Arch is little bit clunky.

A standalone app would be ideal, like the one from the Super Wind the Game designer.

>>5611642
That guy is troll.

But yeah, I'd use a HD set if I wanted block pixels, I don't think it makes sense to output RGB on a CRT. A framemeister would do the trick for the scanlines.

[Anonymous No.5611741]

>>5611734
t. Brazilian

[Anonymous No.5611763]

>>5611741
> t. attention whore

[Anonymous No.5611765]

Because the graphics consists of big fucking dots and those screens are made of big fucking dots?

[Anonymous No.5611961]

>>5604797
>OLED
Is already dead.

MicroLED is where it's at. OLED is for losers.

[Anonymous No.5611963]

>>5604961
This is so wrong.
Composhit/Low End Consumer CRTfags need to be gassed.

[Anonymous No.5611967]

>>5611961
MicroLED isn’t even available for purchase.

[Anonymous No.5612052]

>>5605273
Kill yourself OLEDshill.

[Anonymous No.5612063]

>>5607832
Genesis had notorious shit composite output

[Anonymous No.5612103]

>>5611961
Ah, yes. I too prefer to not have the objectively best currently available display technology because something better may come along at some point in the future.
>>5612052
>seething poorfag is back
Ebin.

[Anonymous No.5612726]

>>5608997
>I don't know the physics
Or much of anything else

[Anonymous No.5612779]

>>5612726
I normally play with the light turned off.

You're the one talking shit.

Most of the lighting problems are solved by turning the lights off.

And yes, even in a lit room the contrast is great. Stop thinking the world is a shit article or forum post that you read.

[Anonymous No.5613161]

I don't have a crt. I what're on lcd. And I'm more than happy to admit that my experience is a pathetic facsimile that pales to the true experience of retro having on a crt. You are a fucking butthurrt idiot if you try to argue any other way. Crt treyro gaming has a discussion factor that cannot and will not ever be replicated. Man up and accept it.

[Anonymous No.5613312]

>>5612779
>gets literally everything wrong
>You're the one talking shit.
The literal state of zoomers

[Anonymous No.5614428]

>>5611734
>sharing a non-offensive opinion that is different than the usual groupthink is trolling

[Anonymous No.5614649]

What do you think about the Sony KV-32FS13 and KV-32FS100 for retro gaming (particularly hooking it up to a computer through S-Video or Component) for emulation?

Is the KV-FS100 worth paying more for? What do you think these are worth?

[Anonymous No.5615630]

I feel the same way when I see MK2 running on original arcade hardware and crt. It's looks like shit when emulated

[Anonymous No.5616764]

>>5604721
>Curved HDTV
>Genesis 3
What is wrong with you?!

[Anonymous No.5616785]

Since OLEDs were mentioned I thought I might warn you fags...
They have a very short lifespan. Within a year you'll get visible degeneration and probably in under 5, the color and contrast will be noticeably inferior to an equal LCD of the same age.
You have been warned. OLEDs are the new Plasma.

[Anonymous No.5616801]

I don't want to buy a CRT, can't I just slap component cables on my LCD, adjust the aspect ratio settings and call it a day?

[Anonymous No.5616806]

>>5616801
You can, if you’re a retarded faggot.

[Anonymous No.5616809]

>>5616806
Okay, why should I get a CRT instead of doing what I just mentioned? This is a legit question.

[Anonymous No.5617056]

>>5616809
Not him, but CRT has no A/V lag, no scaling artifacts and they produce a subjectively better image than a modern TV does.
If you get the chance, try one out and see if you like it. It's hard to describe a CRT image and photos never do them justice. You've probably had a CRT, but they've been gone for so long now that most people have forgotten how they look.
>>5616785
Don't shit on Plasmas man. My friend still has a 2010 LG Plasma in his house and it's one of the best modern TVs I've seen. Only real downside I can see is how quickly they burn-in compared to other TVs.

[Anonymous No.5617092]

>>5617056
Plasma recharge though is expensive. They don't last too long.
Even LCDs have limits. I've lost a few PC monitors, but not their screens. Likely some internal electronic component. I have one Samsung 1680x1050 monitor from about 2007 that still functions well. The screen quality hasn't really gone down. And my main two Asus IPS panels are about 4 years old and also image-stable.
But OLEDs begin decomposing pretty fast. The materials used to make them being organic, they don't take too much time to fade. Just like blue LEDs are very finite.

Good CRTs really are the gold standard for toughness and longevity. Sadly their manufacture is very resource and energy intensive and with the earth's human population blowing up way out of proportion, we can't afford to be making billions of CRT sets.

We really must cull humanity down to less than 400M or so.

[Anonymous No.5617254]

>>5616785
>>5617092
My kuro is fine. No burn-in. OLEDs are fine too, but somewhat problematic if you're poor and play the same game with bright static colored elements for a thousand hours. They don't degrade measurably with normal use, so stop being a retard. Rtings test has been going for 5000 hours and they prove this. If that's not good enough, then I suggest you literally eat shit and die.

[Anonymous No.5617429]

>>5617092
>Supporting genocide so we can have CRTs again and enjoy retro gaming
Absolutely fucking based and crtpilled.

[Anonymous No.5617436]

>>5604696
It's the vivid colors.

[Anonymous No.5617689]

>>5617429
Quality goods require more resources and energy to make. The more the human population continues to blow up, the less quality will be possible. Only elites and their (((friends))) will be allowed to have high-quality goods.

This goes for TVs as well. Even back in the day, only companies and institutions really got the best quality sets, AKA PVMs/BVMs/etc. Consumers were often left with low-tier garbage.

[Anonymous No.5620651]

>>5604721
This is one guy samefag upboating himself.

[Anonymous No.5620796]