Games everyone likes that you don't

[Anonymous No.5600985]

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[Anonymous No.5600990]

Ok.

[Anonymous No.5601007]

>>5600985
Trust me, not everyone likes Ocarina of Time. It's a VERY divisive game these days.

[Anonymous No.5601138]

>>5601007
>Trust me, not everyone likes Ocarina of Time.
I fall into this category. It was a good game, and I Can't dispute that. However, I can honestly say that I have tried it time and time again, and can't get into it.

[Anonymous No.5601149]

>>5600985
I was 10 years old when this shit came out and yeah it was great for it's time but there's no reason to even play it for a second when Twilight Princess exists.

[Anonymous No.5601163]

>>5600985
this, and I bought that VERY EDITION (that's the NA gold cartridge one) on launch day. Though, admittedly, it had some cool ideas and a few epic moments for its time

[Anonymous No.5601417]

>>5601007
>Trust me, not everyone likes Ocarina of Time. It's a VERY divisive game these days.
No, everyone likes it. The "divisiveness" you're talking about is called contrarianism. These are the same people who say they hate the Beatles and ranch dressing. They're opposed to popularity, not to these popular things as subjects on their own merit.

[Anonymous No.5601426]

>>5601417
it's like you deliberately chose the three specific popular things i don't like in making this post, good job

[Anonymous No.5601434]

>>5600985
doom

[Anonymous No.5601454]

>>5601426
I deliberately chose the most common contrarian bullshit complaints people make for the sake of feeling cool and different, yes.

[Anonymous No.5601472]

>>5601417
>ranch dressing.
is disgusting, like anything else based on/similar to mayonnaise
and you'll find many others who hate it too

I like a few Beatles songs but I don't think they're amazing unlike literal Boomers who lived in the 60s who worship them

[Anonymous No.5601476]

>>5601454
maybe i just don't like those things. not trying to be cool. they just don't do anything for me, and there are other things i like much more than them. for example i like blue cheese dressing more than ranch. i like the doors more than the beatles. blue cheese dressing and the doors are also quite popular, so you can't just call me contrarian.

[Anonymous No.5601482]

>>5601472
btw the best version of any beatles song is a cover https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3s-dSoDptVc

[Anonymous No.5601484]

>>5601482
I like the original version better. Your opinion is wrong.

[Anonymous No.5601489]

>>5601484
the original is just boring pop song though while that one is filled with emotion and drama

[Anonymous No.5601490]

>>5601476
It's not a question of whether or not you like certain things more. I agree with both of your examples, but that doesn't mean that what you like less isn't good.

[Anonymous No.5601494]

>>5601482
Cocker was great, but the backing vocals there are abysmal, especially the falsetto.

[Anonymous No.5601496]

>>5601494
that's the only real flaw but you can tune it out nbd

[Anonymous No.5601508]

>>5601476
>blue cheese dressing
Predictable. No fucking way did you people just accidentally realize one day that blue cheese is so much better than ranch. You got straight memed on there. Ranch overtook blue cheese a long time ago as the preferred dip for wings and a vocal minority of wing purist fags got upset and pushed that meme as hard as they could, much like the ketchup doesn't belong on hot dogs meme (fuck you, Chicago) or the pineapples are bad on pizza meme. Or the Majora's Mask is better than OoT to bring it back to video games.

[Anonymous No.5601512]

>>5601490
ranch dressing is a confused hodgepodge of flavors, the beatles were a lame proto-boy band, and ocarina of time has simple combat, generic story, easy puzzles, and tons of wandering around empty sterile environments. these things are not good to me. i'm sorry

[Anonymous No.5601514]

>>5601472
Anyone who likes ranch secretly desires semen down their throat.

[Anonymous No.5601517]

>>5601489
I like 60's pop more than Cocker's bluesy horseshit.

[Anonymous No.5601529]

>>5601508
pineapple is fine on pizza, but ketchup just overpowers all the other toppings on a hot dog (onions, mustard, relish) with unnecessary flavor and sweetness. blue cheese is much better on salads than ranch, and i also like it better with chicken, but that's just me.

[Anonymous No.5601535]

>>5601512
>ranch dressing is a confused hodgepodge of flavors
What the fuck are you talking about? It's one of the most straightforward flavors there is barring literal primary sensations like "salty" or "sweet."
>>5601514
>Anyone who likes ranch secretly desires semen down their throat.
Almost everyone likes ranch. Have you looked at sales figures recently, where recently is any time in the past three or four decades?

[Anonymous No.5601537]

>>5601514
I bet you like girls too, faggot

[Anonymous No.5601539]

>>5601417
There are people in the world who don't like the way the Beatles sing. Ranch dressing is gross.

[Anonymous No.5601542]

>>5601529
>ketchup just overpowers all the other toppings on a hot dog
I always hear this, yet whenever I get a hot dog with ketchup and mustard the mustard is much, much more noticeable. Not even close really.
>sweetness
Everyone seems super-paranoid about sweet tasting food in recent years. Seems to heavily overlap with that repurposed ketogenic diet where instead of a treatment for intractable childhood epilepsy it's now used as a rebranded Atkins fad diet, what with it being based around the idea that carbs are the cause of all health problems.
Anyway, ketchup doesn't even have that much sugar in it. It's the vinegar that really does the heavy lifting for ketchup's flavor profile. Take out the sugar and it'd still taste a lot like ketchup, but take out the vinegar and you'd be left with some half-assed pseudo-tomato sauce monstrosity.

[Anonymous No.5601547]

>>5601539
>Ranch dressing is gross.
Ranch dressing is basically a comfier / dialed down cousin of mayonnaise. Do you think mayonnaise is gross? I gotta imagine anyone somehow disgusted by ranch would be a hundred times more disgusted by mayo, which is also unusual in itself since mayo's another extremely popular condiment that most people are cool with.

[Anonymous No.5601551]

>>5601512
"Proto-boy band" is a lazy argument. I'm not a fan of their actual boy-band days, but asserting that was all they were is indicative that you just don't like them. Then again, you don't have to.

[Anonymous No.5601561]

First of all, use Thousand Island instead.

Second, Goldeneye.

[Anonymous No.5601578]

>>5601535
>What the fuck are you talking about?
each individual ingredient of ranch is fine but they don't go together.

[Anonymous No.5601586]

>>5601578
If they don't go together, why is it by far the most popular dressing?

[Anonymous No.5601587]

>>5601551
have any of their songs ever made your hair stand on end? made you tear up? altered your mind in any meaningful way? i've listened to the albums considered their best, and none of them have done so for me. they have some catchy pop tunes and some goofy lyrics, but that's it.

[Anonymous No.5601593]

>>5601586
because other people's opinions differ from mine.

[Anonymous No.5601595]

>>5601454
The amount of effort you go through to sound smart on a Portuguese toothpaste taste-testing site is amazing. The game sold less than 10 million copies. The total population of Murica is 300mil. That barely represents 3% of the population. We are the 97%.

[Anonymous No.5601601]

>>5601587
She Came in Through the Bathroom Window

[Anonymous No.5601604]

Contrarians should be shot.

[Anonymous No.5601605]

>>5601417
i enjoy the Beatles, love ranch dressing and despise Zelda in general. It's the same shitty story over and over and people always gobble it up. Only one I enjoyed and finished was Windwaker

[Anonymous No.5601614]

>>5601417
I like the Beatles and ranch dressing. I even like Link's Awakening and Wind Waker. But I don't like OoT. Though a good part of that is that it's ass ugly.

[Anonymous No.5601617]

>>5601587
Strawberry Fields was so good it made Brian Wilson question whether there was any point to him bothering with his own music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtUH9z_Oey8
Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band is basically the archetypal concept album. You take it all in and get the sense of their neat alternate universe bizarro Beatles band.
The way the chord progressions move around all over the place in I am the Walrus while John Lennon's vocals make the perfect droning police siren-esque complement to them is great too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8biImWLtaI
Tomorrow Never Knows goes from that sitar intro straight into tearing shit apart. Pretty essential psychedelic rock:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHNbHn3i9S4
Happiness is a Warm Gun reminds me of old Nick Fury comics or James Bond movies. Just a really cool, slinky kind of I don't know what:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdvnOH060Qg
This guy does an excellent formal breakdown of why the Beatles are actually good and not just empty hype:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQS91wVdvYc

[Anonymous No.5601618]

>>5601601
again joe cocker version is better lol

[Anonymous No.5601620]

>>5601595
>The game sold less than 10 million copies. The total population of Murica is 300mil.
Yeah, now tell me how much of that 300 million were playing other video games instead.
Hint: Not fucking many.

[Anonymous No.5601625]

>>5601587
Not really a question of being moved by their pieces. If I want to listen to music that moves me purely on the basis of composition, I'll listen to Purcell. Something and Happiness is a Warm Gun have always gotten something out of me, however.

[Anonymous No.5601629]

Never thought I'd see us having a better discussion about the Beatles here than anything those fags on /mu/ have conjured.

[Anonymous No.5601632]

>>5601618
Next you’re going to tell me you like Van Halen’s You Really Got Me better?

[Anonymous No.5601635]

>>5601489
And the original is far from boring. It's a pop masterpiece, air tight arrangement, nice harmonies, catchy as all hell. Honestly, you suck.

[Anonymous No.5601639]

>>5601617
>it made Brian Wilson question whether there was any point to him bothering with his own music.
too bad he didn't consider taht earlier haha
>Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band is basically the archetypal concept album.
that's freak out though
>The way the chord progressions move around all over the place
well congrats to them for fulfilling one of the basic requirements of tonal music
>Pretty essential psychedelic rock
they're no pink floyd or grateful dead

>>5601632
lol fuck no

[Anonymous No.5601646]

>>5601537
I don't like anyone. It's the only redpill left.

[Anonymous No.5601648]

>>5601632
ray davies vocals in that song are way better than john lennon's in anything btw

[Anonymous No.5601656]

>>5601639
>pink floyd
I liked Ecco the Dolphin as much as the next guy, but I wouldn't even try to compare them to the Beatles. They're not even really playing the same game. Pink Floyd is in depth exploratory prog and the Beatles were all about compact songwriting with maximum catchiness that we all had the good fortune of hearing mutate into neat psychedelia.
>grateful dead
Their portfolio is basically the sounds that exist in this world for the sole purpose of calming people on psychoactive compounds down so they don't call an ambulance and get cathetered over nothing. So also good and also fundamentally different.

[Anonymous No.5601657]

>>5601648
Kinks >>> Stones >> Beatles

[Anonymous No.5601658]

>>5601639
“Freak Out is a concept album,” let alone the first concept album, is a meme that needs to die, and I say this as a huge Zappa fan. It’s arguably the only original Mothers album that doesn’t have a clear unifying concept as a couple songs are political, a couple are misanthropic, and the rest are either experimental or doo-wop.

[Anonymous No.5601661]

What the fuck is this thread

[Anonymous No.5601664]

>>5601661
I was kind of being a dick to OoT haters and it miraculously turned into a constructive discussion.

[Anonymous No.5601667]

>>5601661
We're talking about the Beatles; fuck off.

[Anonymous No.5601670]

>>5601658
He was satirizing themes found in pop at the time or something like that. Zappa would never write love/ break up songs in earnest, I don't think.

[Anonymous No.5601671]

>>5601667
That’s boring. Speaking of fucking off,
>>>/mu/
Is thataway, you off-topic faggot

[Anonymous No.5601674]

>>5601658
Where do you stand on late-70's Zappa? I used to be a tremendous fan of Joe's Garage, but I prefer Sheik Yerbouti these days.

[Anonymous No.5601680]

>>5601656
>compact songwriting with maximum catchiness that we all had the good fortune of hearing mutate into neat psychedelia
or in other words they're just trying to market psychedelia to a mass audience and in the process diluting what actually makes it interesting to listen to

[Anonymous No.5601693]

>>5601670
Not 100% earnestly but he was big into R&B and doo-wop for real, which is why it’s all over the various Mothers recordings seemingly at random like on Burnt Weeny Sandwich. He even tried writing professionally at one point.

[Anonymous No.5601696]

>>5601620
PS1 sold 100 million units by mid-2000's, so at least 90 million were playing something superior.

[Anonymous No.5601715]

>>5601674
I listen to Läther sometimes, especially on long car rides. It’s a bit more cohesive I find, because otherwise I think that an album like Zappa in New York is really grating.

Of the individual albums, Sleep Dirt has the best stuff. But Sheik Yerbouti is also great, and the mixes/takes are arguably better on the album. Tryin’ to Grow a Chin, for example. On the whole though, anything Zappa did album-wise from late ‘70s and on I don’t exactly consider an artistic achievement.

[Anonymous No.5601716]

>>5601696
So after an entire decade of PlayStation putting out around ONE THOUSAND games, they proportionally sold 9:1 compared to the one OoT game.
1,000 PS1 games > 1 N64 game. Incredible, who would've guessed?

[Anonymous No.5601719]

>>5601693
I know. I just mean the concept in FO was goofing on teeny bopper shit. It's not particularly high concept, but it's a concept. I know a couple of the tracks deviate from this, but still, the lyrics in the more standard tracks are like piss takes off teenage angst/love.

[Anonymous No.5601724]

>>5601680
>or in other words they're just trying to market psychedelia to a mass audience and in the process diluting what actually makes it interesting to listen to
No, you're falling for the Seinfeld effect. They seem less interesting to you now because you've already been exposed to a million other heavily Beatles-influenced bands that didn't exist yet when they were around playing those songs. They weren't watering shit down.

[Anonymous No.5601748]

>>5601696
>PS1 sold 100 million units
ps1 was sold everywhere in my country because it was pirated as fuck, it was the logical choice over original cartridges

[Anonymous No.5601756]

>>5601716
It was around the same time the Backstreet Bois and Britney Spears albums outsold Beatles trash.

[Anonymous No.5601790]

>>5600985
Zelda 64 games are trash, no conversation

[Anonymous No.5601865]

>>5600985
What's bad about it honestly? I'm talking to the contrarians here.

[Anonymous No.5601871]

>>5601163
>I bought that VERY EDITION (that's the NA gold cartridge one) on launch day

Didn't know there were legit boomers in here

[Anonymous No.5601875]

>>5601472
>ranch
>similar to mayonnaise

[Anonymous No.5601880]

>>5601508
>Majora's Mask is better than OoT

Lol at being a contrarian and thinking a gimmick game is better than OoT.

[Anonymous No.5601889]

>>5601595

The murican population in 1998 was around 230 mil

[Anonymous No.5601892]

>>5601790
They're the peak of the series. Not too primitive and not too new either.

[Anonymous No.5601986]

>>5601875
it's literally mayo with spices

[Anonymous No.5601993]

>>5600985
It had a great first run, but LTTP is probably still my favorite. I just prefer the top down 2D style.

Related to OP's topic in general, I can't stand FF9. People keep insisting I give it another shot. I've given it like 6. I beat the first disc. I just don't like the damn thing. 5,6,7,8 and 10 are all great. 4 is ok. But fuck 9.

[Anonymous No.5601998]

>>5601417
Zelda is overrated and boring for my tastes. That goes with all of them.
Beatles honestly suck. I just don’t like the way they sound. Not my cup of tea.
Ranch is bland tasting. Caesar is where it’s at

[Anonymous No.5602050]

>>5601880
>Lol at being a contrarian and thinking a gimmick game is better than OoT.
No, I was saying it's NOT better than OoT.

[Anonymous No.5602139]

>>5601149
>TP

you mean that awful establishing shot & handholding to the max simulator? any Zelda game that's not trying to be a kiddie title in terms of game progression is a godsend. too bad there are no modern ones.

[Anonymous No.5602246]

I like SMB2 and SMW much more.

[Anonymous No.5602249]

>>5600985
It's just one of those games /vr/ pretends to like for epic boomer points lmao

[Anonymous No.5602261]

>>5600985
You aren't allow. N64 Zelda were boring as hell and the first good 3D Zelda was (and still is) The Windwaker

[Anonymous No.5602282]

ITT: Autistic children learning that other people's opinions are capable of deviating from their own.

[Anonymous No.5602285]

>>5601670
Remember when Frank Zappa and his daughter accidentally made Valley girls popular while trying to satirize them and call them retarded?

[Anonymous No.5602350]

>>5601417
I disliked it before it was popular.

[Anonymous No.5602367]

>>5602249
Zoomer

[Anonymous No.5602394]

>>5601417
>No, everyone likes it
This may have been true in 1998 when people were willing to overlook the game's many flaws because it did so many groundbreaking things and because people were literally starving for new games to play on the N64. But it's certainly not true in a post Breath of the Wild world.

[Anonymous No.5602419]

>>5601417
OoT is pretty fucking mediocre if you grew up with a playstation. Only thing enticing for the N64 IMO were pokemon stadium games.

[Anonymous No.5602434]

[Anonymous No.5602436]

U.N Squadron

[Anonymous No.5602445]

>>5602436
Also axelay and super aleste

[Anonymous No.5602627]

>>5601007
>It's a VERY divisive game these days.
It's always been. The difference that until recently nobody realized how delusional the average Ocarina fan is and how easily trolled they are. They literally cannot comprehend that anyone might not like this game so simply making a few simple observations about its shortcomings typically leads to a major meltdown.

[Anonymous No.5602628]

>>5602627
LttP, MM and WW were better imo

[Anonymous No.5602635]

>>5602628
WW wasn't

[Anonymous No.5602636]

>>5602419
for me it was PC games that really beat out games like Ocarina. I spent most of my time in the late 90s playing games on PC, apart from Final Fantasy 7 and Final Fantasy Tactics.

[Anonymous No.5602645]

>>5602635
WW was fucking great.
>>5602636
I had a W98 and a PS2. Only ever wanted a N64 for Pokemans, but dad bought a PS1 with Gran Turismo and Tekken 2.
Thanks dad.

[Anonymous No.5602653]

>>5602394
>This may have been true in 1998
Not for me. I'm not being the slightest bit contrarian when I say that both me and my friends just kind of shrugged off Ocarina. Technically impressive with great atmosphere, but kind of slow and boring without the action and excitement of the previous titles. The consensus was "great for kids but not good enough to take us away from playing Quake on the dorm's LAN"

[Anonymous No.5602665]

>>5602246
I agree

[Anonymous No.5602680]

>>5602645
>WW was fucking great
It too little actual content and way too much tediousness (even just changing the wind's direction every 5 seconds was annoying as hell)

[Anonymous No.5603394]

>>5602394
>in a post Breath of the Wild world.
I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. Ocarina of Time isn't meant to be played over and over again for 20 years. Why are you even trying to talk about it like that? How it was received when it came out is how the game was received. It's not like it's a fighting game or racing game with replay in mind.

[Anonymous No.5603412]

>>5602627
>It's always been.
I don't think you understand what the word "divisive" means. It got as close to universally positive reviews as any game has ever gotten. It's not like there was a controversy when it came out with lots of people complaining about it being low quality. That definitely didn't happen.

[Anonymous No.5603426]

>>5602627
>>5603412
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Legend_of_Zelda:_Ocarina_of_Time#Reception
>Ocarina of Time was released to universal acclaim and strong commercial success worldwide. In the United States, over 500,000 preorders were placed, more than tripling the number of preorders for any previous video game,[117] and more than 1 million copies were sold there in less than a week.[95] In 1998, 2.5 million copies were sold, although it was released only 39 days before the end of the year; it earned $150 million in U.S. revenues, higher than any Hollywood film in the last six weeks of 1998.[118]
>On its initial Nintendo 64 release, Ocarina of Time received perfect review scores from the majority of gaming publications that reviewed it,[77][105] including Famitsu,[82] Next Generation,[85] Edge,[80] Electronic Gaming Monthly,[81] GameSpot,[84] and IGN.[49] The review aggregator websites Metacritic and GameRankings respectively rank the original Nintendo 64 version as the highest and second highest reviewed game of all time, with average scores of 99/100 from Metacritic and 98% from GameRankings (it earned a 'Metacritic: Must-Play' certification on the former in 2018).[78][77]
It doesn't make any sense at all to call that "divisive." That might be the worst example possible of a "divisive" game. Which isn't to say YOU personally must like it. But that's what the word means: Something where there's a large amount of conflicting opinions. A divisive game would have lots of positive reviews and lots of negative reviews at the same time, whereas I don't even know where to find a negative review of OoT from back when it was released.

[Anonymous No.5603456]

>>5603412
Ok dictionary man if you're going to be that much of a faggot allow me to articulate in straightforward language:

Opinions on the game have not changed substantially. There is no large contingent of people who suddenly hate the game, but never did before, except to the extent that younger players may not find it appealing due to its age.

The only thing that changed is that the people who never liked the game in the first place now have a platform and audience to voice their criticisms. This has happened for every other popular game ever, even games with just as much success and acclaim as Ocarina. The difference between Ocarina and every other game is that for other games, fans defend their game with spirit and gusto while accepting its flaws (even if not admitting them openly). Ocarina fans, upon encountering someone who doesn't think it is literally the best game of all time and flawless masterpiece, experience extreme cognitive dissonance and get very angry.

Because the fans get so angry and confrontational at even the slightest bit of criticism, this leads an appearance of being divisive, with extreme opinions on both sides. When in fact, the extreme opinions are overwhelmingly the fans who think the game is literally perfect and counter-argue any criticism no matter how minor.

[Anonymous No.5603463]

>>5603456
>The only thing that changed is that the people who never liked the game in the first place now have a platform and audience to voice their criticisms.
Why were the people writing the reviews all coincidentally not the people you're talking about who didn't like it? You would think if there was a high proportion of people not liking it in the population that played it that there would be a somewhat similar proportion of people not liking it in the population that both played it and wrote reviews on it.
>dictionary
I didn't use a dictionary, what are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.5603471]

>>5603456
>straightforward language
>divisive is now a fancy word for intellectuals
lol, what the fuck? What did you even think that word meant?

[Anonymous No.5603781]

>>5601587
The Long And Winding Road
Across the Universe

[Anonymous No.5603941]

>>5603463
>Why were the people writing the reviews all coincidentally not the people you're talking about who didn't like it?
Because the people writing reviews were game journalists and they have always been fags.
I was in college when OoT came out. Literally no one gave a shit about it. I wish I had recordings of the conversations I had so I could share them. It was basically stuff like: "unexciting, easy, very puzzle-focused game and not the 3D ALttP I expected, but my 10-year old cousin loves it and played it all day long when I was home on break" Nobody overtly hated the game, but there was minimal positive word of mouth about it. It was all PC games, Playstation games, and Goldeneye or Madden for N64.

[Anonymous No.5605132]

>>5601417
Based anon making all the dumb contrarians seethe.

[Anonymous No.5605141]

I'll say it in every single OoT thread, if they wised up and put some kind of separation between child/adult like the tanker/plant chapters in MGS2, it'd be 11/10.

[Anonymous No.5605143]

>>5601417
Everyone just posted saying how OoT is decisive which makes you the contrarian here buddy

[Anonymous No.5605153]

Contrarians are not even people lmao.

[Anonymous No.5605168]

I love OoT, but I have trouble liking it.

[Anonymous No.5605324]

>>5600985
I don't know what's the deal with this game, I played it on emulator and on 3ds and never felt anything special about it. It's the most bland/safest Nintendo product I ever played.
And I'm not just underaged and unable to experience old games, I love the nes era and the Megaman/Castlevania sagas.

[Anonymous No.5605343]

>>5602419
>OoT is pretty fucking mediocre if you grew up with a playstation.
Name three (3) action-adventure games that are PSX exclusive that out-do OOT.

[Anonymous No.5605359]

>>5605343
I'm not picking only action adventure games, but I'd rather have a Playstation with silent hill, Gran Turismo, rayman 1, Spyro 1,2,3, medievil, Wipeout, metal gear solid, Tekken, driver, final fantasy 7/8/9 (and there's almost no rpg on the n64), oddworld abes odyssey, and a shitload of other gold games I forgot instead of the pretendo 64 and her 2 games.

[Anonymous No.5606005]

>>5605359
all shit games

[Anonymous No.5606035]

>>5606005
cope harder adventure boy.
I never even met a person who had an N sixty poor.

[Anonymous No.5606047]

>>5606035
ok sonynigger. keep praising your movie games in your sòystation.

[Anonymous No.5606051]

>>5606047
I will because my parents actually loved me and got me a real system.

[Anonymous No.5606054]

>>5606051
more like they hated you.

[Anonymous No.5606429]

>>5601604

[Anonymous No.5606432]

>>5602367
>>>/v/

[Anonymous No.5606434]

>>5606054
go lose all your marketshare to a newcomer, jej

[Anonymous No.5606436]

>>5602436
>>5602445
i'm not the biggest fan of any of those either. robo aleste too, felt like an inferior MUSHA.

[Anonymous No.5606438]

>>5605153

[Anonymous No.5606653]

Yoshi's Island

[Anonymous No.5606705]

>>5606438
>>5606429
Subhuman

[Anonymous No.5606739]

>>5600985
Majora's Mask is better than Ocarina of Time.
Sorry OoTboomers, but that's just the truth.

[Anonymous No.5606750]

>>5605143
>Everyone just posted saying how OoT is decisive
You mean divisive? 47 people max posted. And that's assuming nobody's IP address changed, which is almost certainly not the case. And nowhere close to everyone said they disliked OoT, but for the sake of argument let's say 100% of that 47 did. Now compare 47 people to:
>>5603426
You are completely delusional if you honestly believe OoT was a "divisive" game. If someone had a gun to your head and demanded you name the LEAST divisive video game, OoT would be somewhere at the top of the short list for answers that have a chance of keeping you alive. None of this is even to say OoT was the highest quality game or that you aren't personally allowed to have not been a fan of it when it came out. All I'm saying here is it's all sorts of ridiculous to call maybe the closest to a universally positive reviewed / praised / perfect score rated video game you could point to as "divisive."

[Anonymous No.5606753]

>>5606750
Have sex.

[Anonymous No.5606771]

Way too fucking linear and repetitive honestly. I still believe it's the most overrated JRPG I've ever played.

[Anonymous No.5606802]

>>5606739
>>5606753
zoomers pls leave

[Anonymous No.5606812]

>>5606771
this 1000% I've tried playing this so many times but it's always a slog

[Anonymous No.5606821]

>>5606771
I was a Sega kid and didn't get into Chrono Trigger back when it was released, but when I tried playing it much later in life I also found it unexpectedly boring.

[Anonymous No.5606910]

>>5606821

those games might seem ordinary NOW.

But that is because every other game that followed copied from it.

Back in those days, nothing came close to the level of attention and detail that Chrono did.

The music was amazing.

it was a trailblazer in terms of production value.

[Anonymous No.5606947]

>>5601508
>Ranch overtook blue cheese a long time ago as the preferred dip for wings
wait, for real? what kind of philistine dips their wings in ranch instead of blue cheese?

[Anonymous No.5606967]

>>5605359
>Spyro 1,2,3
Spyro was shit

[Anonymous No.5606973]

>>5601508
>Ranch overtook blue cheese a long time ago as the preferred dip for wings
>>5606947
>wait, for real?
Yeah, it's legit. Straight from the National Chicken Council (the trade association that represents U.S. broiler chicken industry interests in Congress and other federal agencies). Ranch is insanely popular. It's been the most popular dressing too since it beat out Italian back in the early 90s.

[Anonymous No.5606992]

>>5601417

> ranch dressing

Say that to my face fucker not online see what happens

[Anonymous No.5607005]

>>5606992
Nobody cares about your shit city's probably fake claim on having been the location for the first instance of a really obvious food idea.

[Anonymous No.5607028]

>>5603941
My man...

I was a bit younger than you when OoT came out but I had the same reaction to it.

I can buy for a dollar if someone thinks that it was a good adventure game appropriately targeted to 8-12 year olds, but it is not worthy of the praise it gets as one of the best games ever made. To the target audience of teenagers in the 14-21 age range who had played LoZ, ALTTP, and Link's Awakening, it was exceptionally easy in comparison to its predecessors. Moreover, it most likely wasn't the most played N64 game for people in that age group (Goldeneye).

[Anonymous No.5607034]

>>5607028
Oh, PS:

> I'll take "Dressings for 1,000, Alex"
> This popular dressing is a disgusting amalgamation of spices mixed into perfectly good Mayonnaise.
> What is Ranch?

Correct!

[Anonymous No.5607041]

>>5606973
According to your picture, 62% of Americans eat their wings without buffalo sauce.

Opinions discarded.

[Anonymous No.5607047]

>>5607034
>implying mayonnaise is good

How's it feel to be fucking retarded

[Anonymous No.5607064]

>>5607041
>I don't like it so it isn't real

[Anonymous No.5607065]

>>5605343
I only really need Mega Man Legends 2, but I'll take Legend of Mana & Brave Fencer Musashi as a bonus.

[Anonymous No.5607075]

>>5607064
According to the pic the most popular way to eat wings is plain dipped in ranch dressing.

According to people in this thread, popular ways of eating food are automatically good.

Enjoy your dry wings dipped in a shit tasting dressing.

[Anonymous No.5607090]

>>5607075
>According to people in this thread, popular ways of eating food are automatically good
I don't think anyone posted that statement in this thread except you. It's not really all that wrong regardless though, except in the sense that there might be factors motivating popularity other than taste (e.g. very high quality foods might be unpopular because of cost or lack of availability). If you're going to talk about what's "good," certainly one obvious approach to doing so would be determining what the majority opinion of consensus reality is.
>dry wings dipped
What the fuck? If they're dipped they aren't dry you retard. You don't need two separate coating of sauce for wings to not be dry.

[Anonymous No.5607096]

>>5607041
>>5607075
I don't think you're reading that correctly. It's whether they use hot sauce as the dip, not whether their wings are buffalo wings or plain wings.

[Anonymous No.5607107]

>>5607096
> Dipping buffalo wings in more buffalo sauce.

That's not how it's done, anon.

[Anonymous No.5607117]

>>5607107
>That's not how it's done, anon.
The claim this was a response to was that the picture implies 62% eat their wings without buffalo sauce.
What the picture actually says 38% use hot sauce as a dip.
What you're now talking about would mean 38% aren't using buffalo wings because they're already dipping in hot sauce.

[Anonymous No.5607131]

>>5607090
> If you're going to talk about what's "good," certainly one obvious approach to doing so would be determining what the majority opinion of consensus reality is.

There are more factors to popularity than whether a food simply tastes good, such as cost and access.

I will give you an example: I am from the NYC area and I love bagels. It's tough to find a local joint to get bagels outside of the tri-state area. By that I don't mean "I'm a NY snob and I don't like the bagels that are sold [here]," I mean that there just aren't any bagel shops. Period. And those good local joints can't ship their bagels because they go stale after about a day or two. You want bagels, you will have to buy Thomas's preserved dough shaped like a bagel in a bag.

If you go by sales figures alone, you could conclude based on sales figures that Thomas's bagels are a superior product to their competitors.

We can go through the same experiment for Domino's pizza or McDonald's cheeseburgers.

Buffalo wings are more ubiquitous than bagels, but if someone grew up on ranch dressing and use ranch for other dishes, they are unlikely to switch to blue cheese simply for the purpose of eating wings.

[Anonymous No.5607138]

>>5607117
That picture clearly shows a plain basket of wings and then says 38% use hot sauce.

It does NOT show a basket of buffalo wings.

[Anonymous No.5607140]

>>5607131
>There are more factors to popularity than whether a food simply tastes good, such as cost and access.
I literally addressed that in my post:
>>5607090
>except in the sense that there might be factors motivating popularity other than taste (e.g. very high quality foods might be unpopular because of cost or lack of availability)

[Anonymous No.5607145]

>>5607140
Well then you weren't the anon who posted

> If you don't like Ranch you're just being a contrarian

And my post wasn't addressed to you.

[Anonymous No.5607151]

>>5607138
>That picture clearly shows a plain basket of wings
No, it shows a vague cartoon image of orange colored wings that have barely any resemblance to any more specific variety of real life food.
>and then says 38% use hot sauce
There is no special connection between the image and that 38% figure. It's in a row of other figures like the ranch and blue cheese numbers. Also if you're going to read into the image at all you should probably note that the hot sauce number is represented by the same exact style of dip container the other dips are represented by. Because it's about what dip you use.

[Anonymous No.5607156]

>>5607145
>And my post wasn't addressed to you.
What are you talking about? You replied to the post where I wrote:
>except in the sense that there might be factors motivating popularity other than taste (e.g. very high quality foods might be unpopular because of cost or lack of availability)
Look:
>>5607131
^See where this post is replying too? It's this one here:
>>5607090
The one where I already brought up the point you inexplicably tried to lecture me about in your reply.

[Anonymous No.5607257]

>>5606973
that's crazy. i like both dressings in general, but you'd have to be crazy to pick ranch over blue cheese for wings in particular.

[Anonymous No.5608078]

>>5607151
> I am going to discount the accuracy of the bucket of clearly plain wings pictured, but then assume that the it accurately portrays that BBQ and hot sauces are actually used for dipping as pictured instead of coating.

[Anonymous No.5608080]

>>5607156

Your original response here >>5607090 was chiming in on my post in response to another anon.

[Anonymous No.5608091]

>>5608078
Learn to read. I'll spoonfeed it for you:
>Also if you're going to read into the image at all
See that line? It doesn't mean "you should read into the image." It means you shouldn't read into the image, but IF you still insist on doing that then the part where they use the same style of dip container graphic next to hot sauce that they use next to the other dips is more likely to tell you something (that something being how the hot sauce in this context is a dip) than the vague orange cartoon chicken you're trying to infer meaning from.

[Anonymous No.5608101]

>>5608080
No, I'm the same anon, not two different anons. You just don't seem to be able to understand how someone could argue a point and at the same time provide an exception to that point. You focused on what I was arguing for (that popularity matters for quality) and selectively ignored the part where I acknowledged that's not necessarily the only factor. Then you wrote a reply that said the same exception I already mentioned.

[Anonymous No.5608164]

>>5601426
drop acid and listen to Sgt. Peppers from start to end with your full attention and tell me you dont like the beatles

[Anonymous No.5608196]

Breath of the Wild had a bigger impact on me in my late 20s than Ocarina did on me at age 10.

[Anonymous No.5608324]

>>5608091
I'm not "reading into" anything.

That is clearly a picture of "naked" wings and a cup of BBQ and Hot sauce, and a stat saying that 38% of people dip the wings into the latter.

[Anonymous No.5608549]

>>5608196
Based.

[Anonymous No.5609478]

>>5607005
na it's true enough. I mean I have no idea if the legend about the recipe idea is true (it probably isn't) but my (actual) boomer dad has a story about how he first ate them visiting a friend doing a residency in Buffalo in the mid-70s who took him to the Anchor Bar saying "you have to try these wings!" It was before wings were everywhere.

[Anonymous No.5609508]

>>5608324
>That is clearly a picture of "naked" wings
They're orange cartoon wings. They're neither naked nor not naked. They don't resemble real chicken of any sort much at all. I doubt anyone was trying to make a statement through that orange cartoon chicken image about the chicken being coated in some sort of sauce or not prior to being dipped. The survey information is about dips, not sauce coating.

[Anonymous No.5609525]

>>5608324
>I'm not "reading into" anything.
Yes, you are. I tracked down the stupid survey you're arguing about and you're wrong.
https://www.nationalchickencouncil.org/americans-to-eat-1-23-billion-chicken-wings-super-bowl-weekend/
>Ranch Hands Bleu Cheese Decisive Defeat in New Poll
>Almost six in 10 (57 percent) U.S. adults who eat chicken wings said they typically like to eat their wings with ranch dressing, according to a new National Chicken Council poll conducted by Harris Interactive*. Only about three in 10 (35 percent) prefer bleu cheese dressing.
>After ranch dressing at the top: 43 percent of wing lovers chose barbecue sauce as their typical snack or dipping sauce; 38 percent said hot sauce; 35 percent said bleu cheese; and 34 percent chose celery. Fewer than one in five wing lovers (8 percent) described themselves as purists who eat nothing with their wings.
It's talking about dipping sauce, not sauce coating.

[Anonymous No.5609529]

>>5600985
I've literally never played another game that gives the same feeling of 'going on a grand adventure' as this game. call it nostalgia or whatever but I would give anything to feel that again from a game

[Anonymous No.5609530]

I didn't realize there were people who actually liked the Tomb Raider games. I assumed they were just pushed by marketers like Bubsy or Army Men or something.

[Anonymous No.5609542]

>>5600985
Funny this is the first thread I see on /vr/ today. Just started Oot for the first time. Digging it so far, not as much as MM but so far so good. Feels more straight forward and epix lul

>>5601417
Btw, I hate the Beatles.

[Anonymous No.5609547]

There's a lot of autism in this thread. OoT and MM are entirely skippable games for newcomers to the series.

[Anonymous No.5609824]

>>5606992
your pizza is terrible
and you fuckers slice that pizza into squares and dip it in salad dressing
dear fucking God

[Anonymous No.5609830]

>>5609547
As opposed to what? Objectively, Zelda is a pretty mediocre series when you take out those two titles

[Anonymous No.5609834]

3D killed Zelda.

This game is such shit. It sucked in 1998 and it sucks now. I shouldn't have to explain myself, but here we go:

>gameplay consists of mostly walking through wide open fields and empty dungeons. In the 2D Zedlas each screen was designed to be filled with enemies, puzzles, items to find, etc. Now you literally just run around with barely anything to do. The occasional enemies you do encounter are taken down with Z-Targeting like it's babys first Zelda game.
>OOT has a complete lack of objective/storyline. The story consists of the Deku Tree calling you the chosen one for no fucking reason at all. Then Zelda tells you Ganondorf is up to no good (of course, Ganondorf hasn't done anything illegal yet) and for some reason Link listens to this stupid bitch. While listening to Zelda, Link gets the Spirtual Stones to open the Sacred Realm, BUT this is what Ganondorf wanted the entire time or something and he used this to get into the realm. Ok. So in listening to Zelda, the bad guy just walked into the Sacred Realm (even though he was nowhere near Link when he used the Stones). Ugh.
>game is overall fucking slow as fuck. Endless walking, slow and boring combat, dialog boxes take forever to finish (Nintendo must legit think all their gamers had a 2nd grade reading speed), Navi interrupting constantly, the Owl showing up constantly, opening a chest takes 17 minutes, when getting an item like a bomb you get a 40 page description on how to use the bomb, general things slow down the gameplay (like King Zora taking 30 minutes to slide his fat ass over on his throne).

People say this game was ahead of it's time and they were right. Most of this OOT shit infects the games of today.

[Anonymous No.5609837]

>>5609830
>Objectively, Zelda is a pretty mediocre series when you take out those two titles
Zelda 1 and Link to the Past are goat games you dumb faggot.

[Anonymous No.5609854]

>>5602653
I was also in college when the N64 was around, and once hosted an impromptu Goldeneye tournament in the student lounge (along with a Princess Maker 2 tournament, but that's a story for another day). I only had one friend that was super into OoT, and it was her first Zelda game. The rest of us grew up playing the older 8 and 16-bit Zelda games and either weren't into it at all, or just thought it was okay.

I couldn't get into it and never bothered to finish it because I thought it was boring. It didn't impress me, and that has nothing to do with contrarianism.

[Anonymous No.5609863]

>>5609834

thanks that was a good read

[Anonymous No.5609882]

It was just Halo 1 with like two more aliens to shoot at, a laser sword and two "bosses" instead one or whatever the first game had.

[Anonymous No.5609938]

*makes /vr/ upset*

[Anonymous No.5609942]

>>5602434
I agree with this.

[Anonymous No.5610029]

>>5606750
>OoT wasn't divisive until zoomerdom
This is objectively true, and I already made two posts in this thread expressing how I've thought for a loooong time that it's overrated.

[Anonymous No.5610116]

>>5609525
So mad that you forgot how to read.

[Anonymous No.5610128]

>>5609882
only the strongest will survive

[Anonymous No.5610142]

>>5609834
>of course, Ganondorf hasn't done anything illegal yet
What the fuck are you talking about? First of all the Great Deku Tree wasn't a police officer. And that aside, did you somehow forget the part where Ganondorf poisoned and murdered him? The story was fine, you just aren't remembering this shit correctly.
>Navi interrupting
You can ignore her. You have to press one of those C buttons to read what she has to say. It's not an automatic dialog.
>Owl
Nobody liked the owl. That's fair.
>Opening a chest takes 17 minutes
15 seconds, and it wasn't something you did all that frequently. Chest opening was great. The 15 seconds of music and minor suspense made getting chest items more rewarding than if you just instantly had some item crapped into your inventory.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69AyYUJUBTg
>Endless walking
Worst was just going between the Kokiri area and the castle across Hyrule Field. You didn't have to make that trip all that often and the game literally gives you both a horse and teleportation. And that aside having expansive areas was neat at the time because it was something new and impressive. Both OoT and Mario 64 made a big impression at the time with how they looked. Easy to take for granted now, but it was fucking crazy watching that first person navi flight in the beginning:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Wgnmm7Y2c0
I still remember starting out with that when first playing it with a friend over. It felt like Christmas times ten. The whole atmosphere of this forest village with graphics that I'm sure look incredibly bad to most of you now were like some trippy virtual reality world that I had only dreamed about up until then.
All that's to say a lot of the "flaws" that have been brought up here are only "flaws" if you weren't impressed by the completely new immersive 3D style. Most of us *were* impressed by it, and because of that it was rewarding to take some time and get lost in it rather than the chore you're making it out to be.

[Anonymous No.5610145]

>>5610116
Nope, try reading slower this time.

[Anonymous No.5610825]

played the remake for a while then i got bored meh.

[Anonymous No.5610972]

>>5600985
Fuck OoT. I remember buying it and being really hyped, only to find all the bullshit cut scenes getting in the way of an open exploration game that I had been dying for since Zelda 3. Zelda died when it went 3D. They acknowledged it with Breath of the Wild, but that game suffers from all the bullshit open world games do these days. Tons of filler and little substance.

[Anonymous No.5610973]

>>5610142
>Worst was just going between the Kokiri area and the castle across Hyrule Field
yeah that was just the worst. The whole game was full of parts that involved little but walking through scenery, a trait that became common in many subsequent 3D games. At least when MMORPGs did it, they had an obvious reason why (keep the playerbase spread out).
>Both OoT and Mario 64 made a big impression at the time
Mario 64, yes. OoT, not so much.
> Easy to take for granted now, but it was fucking crazy watching that first person navi flight in the beginning:
Once you look past the technical showoff aspect, though, that intro reminds me of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEypinvApHo
Meanwhile this was the intro from a game that I actually got excited about back in 1997:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JujtlsiqZ-E
>b-but that's full-motion video
Well OK then
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhmO9NOFHfo

In terms of sheer spectacle, Ocarina was nothing special in 1997. Its real accomplishment was the 3rd person movement mechanics for Link.

[Anonymous No.5610979]

>>5610973
>Once you look past the technical showoff aspect
That's the point. You don't look past that at the time. That was very much a part of it given it was the first completely different looking 3D installment of the Zelda series.
>The whole game was full of parts that involved little but walking through scenery
Which other area besides Hyrule Field involved walking through scenery without enemies?

[Anonymous No.5610985]

>>5610973
>>5610979
>without enemies
Come to think of it I shouldn't even say that. There were plenty of Hyrule Field enemies after nightfall. The lack of those enemies during the daylight hours are what provided the suspense for when you could see night coming and had to get out of there.

[Anonymous No.5611019]

>>5610979
>That's the point. You don't look past that at the time. That was very much a part of it given it was the first completely different looking 3D installment of the Zelda series.

There are people who play video games to be oo'ed and aaa'ed with graphics, and there are people who play for a fun gameplay experience. These are not mutually exclusive concepts, but in the case of OoT all of the game's memory and resources went to the former.

Link has a ton of swordsmanship moves and you never have to use any of them because there are hardly any enemies throughout the whole game. Shame.
>>5610985
> Come to think of it I shouldn't even say that. There were plenty of Hyrule Field enemies after nightfall. The lack of those enemies during the daylight hours are what provided the suspense for when you could see night coming and had to get out of there.

You could just walk right by them though. It's not like the enemies actually attacked you and made your transit tough.

[Anonymous No.5611024]

>>5610979
>>5611019
Oh, and part of why the world is so vast and empty is because Miyamoto fell in love with the horseback riding aspect of the game. Except you don't play Zelda to ride a goddamn horse. This drags the game down in the same way that pod racing drags down Star Wars Episode I.

[Anonymous No.5611267]

>>5610979
>That's the point. You don't look past that at the time.
Yes, you did, if you were someone trying to decide whether to actually play the game. If you were someone who had played the previous Zelda games and had also access to games like Quake II, Jedi Knight: Dark Forces II, Tomb Raider II, Half-Life, and Final Fantasy VII, it was really hard to ignore the kiddie feel of Ocarina's intro. And then, instead of jumping right into the excitement with combat and initial challenges, like all of those other games (including previous Zelda games), you wander around the neighborhood chatting up the fairies and such.
>Which other area besides Hyrule Field involved walking through scenery without enemies?
Many of them. I don't think you realize how much time is wasted running in 3D compared to the 2D games.
Look at Death Mountain. You enter and fight a few tektites on the path. And that's it. Then you run up the mountain to the Goron village and then run around the Goron village talking to Gorons. Then you run the rest of the way to Dodongo's cavern.
Lake Hylia and Zora's River have even fewer enemies I believe.
Sure other zones usually have more NPCs and puzzles than Hyrule field, but still that often boils down to running back and forth doing tasks.