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5567734 No.5567734 [Reply] [Original]

You DO alter your Sonic the Hedgehog ROM to display the Press Start text which was erroneously broken in the final version of the game, right anon?

>> No.5567804

>>5567734
And what actually was broken?

>> No.5567823

>>5567804
OP's brain.

>> No.5567965

>>5567734
The Press Start text, like the OP says. It doesn’t display in the final release due to a bug.

>> No.5568023

>>5567734

It was a concious decision by developers and not a bug. Proof me wrong.

>> No.5568079

>>5568023
If you don't press start the game takes you to a demo of 1st level which reacts only to start button, making you feel disoriented like if the game started but the controls are unresponsive. There had to be a "Press start button" line to actually tell you how to begin playing.
also
>proof me wrong

>> No.5568081
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5568081

>>5567734
>not having a region switch on your Genesis
>not using the hidden developer screen cheat in domestic mode and let the VRAM cleaning code operate as intended
>not getting a 1up every 50000 points like in the sequels

I share a board with these savages.

>> No.5568119

>>5568079
Here's an idea, Start button starts the game. Don't need text to tell anyone that.

>> No.5568129

>>5568119
This. It was called a start button for a reason.

>> No.5568131

>>5568079
Fuck off autist.

>> No.5568135

>>5568079
There's only three other buttons, you'd find it eventually.

>> No.5569897

>>5567965
>>5568023
I'm betting it was a conscious thing as well. It's the damn title screen. They would have noticed something like that missing and immediately rectified it. I thing the "bug" is more of "stylistic decision they left intact".

>> No.5569981
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5569981

>>5568081
>still having a region switch on your Genesis in 2019 when you can easily do a switchless mod

>> No.5570031

>>5569897
>>5568023
Was making the logo 8 pixels left of center a conscious decision as well?

>> No.5570064

>>5567734
No, because I'm not so stupid that I don't know what to do at a start screen. My hack is a useful one; spindash.

>> No.5570135

I think for a good sonic hack is essential to have drop dash, every sonic universe character playable, achievements and linkin park music converted to genesis music

>> No.5570169
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5570169

>>5569981
>having anything but a switch for binary states

>> No.5570214

>>5570169
Not embracing the goodness that is tflop switches. Subhuman.

>> No.5570279

>>5569981
Piss off to /v/ or /g/, seriously. You sound like the elitist cunt that turns PCs into fun fair rides with colored lights.

I'm doing mods commercially for consoles since the mid 90s and you Zoomer fucks need to get in line.

>> No.5571761

>>5567734
It wasn't broken, they just didn't want to display it in the final game.

>> No.5571763

>>5567734
I hate that the Taxman mobile uses fucking Sonic CD sound-effects when you press start.

>> No.5571779

>>5570031
Why wouldn't it be? See how the Sega 1991 creates an imbalance in the composition?
You reek of /v/.

>> No.5571801

>>5568119
That’s like saying the select button is just for making selections

>> No.5571821

Of course, OP. I'm no pleb.

>> No.5571836

>>5569897
that blew my mind a little. I like the look of the press start bar, but what you said makes a lot of sense

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5571859

>>5571779
>composition
Ok retard, your epic "go back to /v/" meme is noted.

>> No.5571920

>>5570064
>My hack is a useful one; spindash
Sacrilegious. Using spindash in Sonic 1 is like holding shells in Super Mario Bros 1.

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5572202

>>5568023
>>5569897
>>5571836
It's a documented bug in the title routine that was probably left there due to rushing and was never addressed again, probably not to be embarrassingly apparent to people with different revisions, or maybe they didn't care I dunno. The instructions that are supposed to print out to the PRESS START BUTTON tiles and make them flash use the same RAM location as the ones used for the SONIC TEAM PRESENTS text, which was probably a very late introduction (earlier protos probably just used something similar to the hidden credits screen, which as >>5568081 mentions, does help properly display the PRESS START BUTTON text; apparently the SONIC TEAM PRESENTS still gets loaded in that case, but also gets killed right away).

Since what was there in those earlier betas was likely another piece of text that used the background layer as opposed to active sprites, the game didn't have to clean up the SONIC TEAM PRESENTS code, so when it loaded the PRESS START BUTTON code it didn't run out of memory. In the final game it does, so the code is never truly loaded and thus the text is never shown.
Apparently the code for that text is shared with the one responsible for the trademark logo beside Sonic (and we kinda know it was put there at the last minute due to a very late proto featured in an ad), so it may be possible that by including it, it fucked some calculations in the dev's brain which thought it only had to clear enough RAM for that one TM logo or some shit, nobody knows for sure. I'd check how the code works but I really don't want to right now.

Here's the ad in question by the way, it says "RINGS" so it's pretty fucking late (an overwhelming amount of pre-release footage just says "RING"), but the TM is missing and the PRESS START BUTTON text is showing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR98zOj0yiw

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5572203

>>5572202
Fuck me, didn't even check the video before posting. But also fuck that stupid Genesis logo for making me look dumb.

>> No.5572359

>>5567734
I don't care enough.
I'm more fond of ROM hacks that make the special stage rotation smoother (it's choppy to make it exactly line up with the tiles, but it's so choppy that I never really thought it was worth the trade off).

>>5570135
it'd be quite technically impressive
just see some big 10MB rom with literally just fucking everything, streaming audio from cartridge (more than doable back in the day, it just chews through your ROM space, Sonic VR is a nice example -- there's four PCM songs, shit's like 6MB), every fucking character in the series, dozens and dozens of custom abilities, etc, etc

It'd be a mess, but it'd be a beautiful one.
hell, for the PCM audio, you could reasonably chunk bits of it up and have an order list that it jumps around through instead of streaming it as one big song

>>5571920
Spindash is oddly nice in S1. Not the biggest game changer, it just makes the game just a little bit more pleasant to play (admittedly, I grew up playing way more S2 than S1).

>> No.5572435

>>5572359
>It'd be a mess, but it'd be a beautiful one.
I mean shit, it's halfway done. Just gather the people who have made some of these romhacks, mix em all together and you get something like this.

>> No.5572482

>>5571836
It's two sides of the same coin, honestly. Accidents are part of the creation process, be it fine art or coding. People echo the "it's not a bug, it's a feature" saying but it's fitting.