Blood Remaster coming out July 15

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Blood Remaster coming out July 15 Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 02:06:49 No.5560530 [Reply] [Original]

https://www.atari.com/games/blood-one-unit-whole-blood/

Fucking finally. Can't wait to drop BloodGDX and NBlood and play the REAL thing.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 02:17:23 No.5560541 >how nice of community to rewrite our own game for us we will license their code and sell it to people now same thing happened to Diablo

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 02:30:37 No.5560564 >>5560530 It'll be as bad and closed off as the Duke World Tour

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 03:08:27 No.5560610 >>5560564 Night Dive's previous releases say otherwise, but I wouldn't rule out that possibility

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 03:18:06 No.5560619 >>5560530 It's not even on the Build engine. It's on a variation of KEX, meaning most prior mods that aren't just maps are unlikely to work on it. Also they didn't have a source so enemy behaviour is going to be an approximation at best.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 03:23:58 No.5560625 >>5560530 >Can't wait No software renderer no buy

Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 03:31:27 No.5560628

>be Atari
>can't get an agreement with the other parties involved for Blood
>"fuck it", let's extrapolate on our rights by making a remake and playing on words by not calling it a remake

>be Nightdive
>likes to "hoard" IPs, pretend they own games they don't, and get mad like a baby when they don't get the game they want
>doesn't wanna pay royalties to Ken Silverman or some of the other fags involved into the original making of Blood
>therefore rewrite an entire engine but also all gameplay mechanics
>call it "preservation"

They really both think they're gonna get away with it don't they.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 04:43:40 No.5560685 >>5560619 Haven't they already explicitly said that mods will work for it?

Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 04:57:20 No.5560696

>>5560530
Does Blood really need a remaster? I thought it was alright on other source ports. I'd almost say that Shadow Warrior could use it more but then I remembered they already made an enhanced port of that years ago on Steam. Would've been nice if that was playable outside of open GL rendering though.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 07:55:06 No.5560859 >>5560530 IT'S GONNA SUCK! (SUCK!) (dum dede dum dum dum de de dum dum dum) IT'S GON NA SUCK! (SUCK!)

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 08:09:49 No.5560874 File: 77 KB, 771x686, 1506897632495.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >You're finishing up your shift at Monolith when this guy appears "PUT THE SOURCE CODE IN THE BAG" >What do?

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 08:11:20 No.5560878 >>5560530 Cool, at least I got one old school shooter to play this summer. Who knows when the fuck Sigil will release now.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 10:20:01 No.5561052 >>5560874 >Monolith >still no NOLF remaster

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 11:38:43 No.5561164 >>5560530 >Can't wait to drop BloodGDX and NBlood and play the REAL thing. It's not even running on Build. Also it better have more functions and features that both GDX and NBlood to be worth that price.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 11:47:45 No.5561191 File: 399 KB, 1613x1404, man-laughing.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5560530 This port will be a crude approximation because Kaizer is a fuckhead who doesn't give a shit about accuracy.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 11:55:28 No.5561204 Uhhh.... guys? Are you talking about Blood: Fresh Supply? Because that's out right now, you don't have to wait until July... https://www.gog.com/game/blood_fresh_supply

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 11:56:29 No.5561209 >>5560530 I'll stick to GDX, thank you.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 12:31:45 No.5561301 >>5560530 Not picking this up until I learn how accurate it is when compared to GDX.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 12:40:06 No.5561318 >>5561204 yeah July 15 was the original release, the remaster came out today

Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 12:40:07 No.5561319
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>>5560530

>Blood: Fresh Supply Enhancements:

>Updated using Nightdive Studio’s KEX Engine
>Vulkan, DirectX 11 and OpenGL 3.2 support, play with unlocked framerates!
>Antialiasing, Ambient Occlusion, V-sync and Interpolation support
>Support for high resolutions including 4K monitors
>Fully customizable keyboard and controller pad support
>Extended modding support, including support for already existing mods
>Completely rewritten netcode supports up to 8 players:
>Play online in co-operative mode, kill each other in “Bloodbath” or split the difference in classic 4v4 team-based “Capture The Flag” mayhem
>Battle it out in local split-screen action
>Roll your own soundtrack with full CD and MIDI music support
>Look fully up and down with a new 3D view, or stick with the classic BUILD-engine style!

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 12:42:26 No.5561325 File: 1.72 MB, 250x250, 1557330033208.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Ok I bought it, appearantly there's a custom difficulty option which is neat, you can configure a lot of stuff

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 12:45:37 No.5561330 >4 reviews >already 50% of them say the game does not work Good show

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 13:11:09 No.5561383 >>5560619 >enemy behaviour is going to be an approximation at best. and that's a good thing. Hopefully they make the enemies less bullshit

Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 13:14:12 No.5561386

>>5561383
yeah enemies are a bit dumber now, at least those that aren't programmed to directly chase you. cultists seemingly try to surprise you from sides or behind but they just end up wandering away

also fucking crouch, in this game it actually works

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 13:15:51 No.5561392 Link. https://mega.nz/#F!QXIk1bjB!NHRWGIfjcc77PyGgRlga4Q!RSRynCTS Spoiler: It kind of sucks.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 13:17:17 No.5561394 >>5561392 8 player splitscreen makes up for it

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 13:37:57 No.5561449 File: 610 KB, 1920x1080, ok this is epic.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5561394

Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 13:40:19 No.5561454

>>5561319
It's a good port you just need to change some things.
It comes with crouch only on "C" so if you want on "Ctrl" go to keybinds, it's also come with crouch toggle ON so turn that OFF unless you want it.
This one is probably because of my setup, i have a ultrawide freesync monitor, when i first boot it up it keep flashing the screen, i change the renderer from Direct11 to Vulkan to make it stop, i turn off vsync choose my native resolution with my max Hz but still had tearing so turn the fps cap off and the freesync works.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 13:46:19 No.5561465 Go with this or stick with nBlood?

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 13:51:32 No.5561475 >>5561465 Get all four why not?

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 13:56:45 No.5561482 I dunno if MP is LAN only or what, I can't figure it out.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 13:58:41 No.5561489 >Music randomly stops AAAAHH

Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 13:58:52 No.5561490

Ok so here's my first discoveries/impressions:
Lighting is more acurate than nBlood/GDX.

Sound is botched by interpolation, and is muffled. Not to the same degree as Duke World Tour did it, but noticable, especially if you compare it side by side.

Radius of actors is reduced for some reason - you can get into zombie/cultists face much closer than the original (at the same FOV setting). As a side effect - jumping on things like Tombstone is a bit harder since it's radius is narrrower, and at some point I fell "into" the voxel model which didn't happen in the original/fan ports since the edge of the tombstone was rigid as well (it is immaterial in KEXBlood)
IDK how it affects hitboxes.

AI is altered significantly. Cultists try to surround you, but end up running away from you some times, overall move more and shoot less even on highest difficulty.
Zombies a bit smarter about their pathfinding.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 14:05:47 No.5561506 >>5561475 Fair enough. >>5561490 That's weird, the sound problem is minor enough to fix though, right?

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 14:07:07 No.5561509 >>5561482 It probably requires GoG galaxy. Though in either case, if it's LAN only we can use whatever the latest iteration of Hamachi is.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 14:07:32 No.5561510 How do I refund games on GOG?

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 14:13:02 No.5561524 >>5561506 Nope. Need to fix the engine to NOT interpolate the samples. The option isn't there now. Wait for patch, if zoomers care enough to notice this. Meanwhile compare the sounding of Dosbox to BloodEX to see for yourself

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 14:18:07 No.5561535 >>5561392 Are you sure it's there? I only see the original DOSBox version

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 14:20:43 No.5561538 >>5561392 yeah that's the DosBox port now the new one

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 14:24:35 No.5561546 >>5561535 >>5561538 https://mega.nz/#F!QXIk1bjB!NHRWGIfjcc77PyGgRlga4Q!EWARCCZR is the correct folder

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 14:25:19 No.5561548 >>5561490 Reminder to actually post your bugs in this thread and on gog too https://steamcommunity.com/app/1010750/discussions/0/1649918058725626285/

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 14:27:24 No.5561551 >>5561538 >dosbox port

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 14:28:34 No.5561553 https://mega.nz/#!3IMQmSAY!DvkTSs5gEQJdaX77nMPLSBeLX8KGMjOZ-QUy5H44T0I Here's an alternate download if the original gets deleted.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 14:34:22 No.5561571 >>5561546 Ah, thank you

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 14:44:22 No.5561587 >>5561509 There's no way to set up the pirated copy into Galaxy is there? I'm not gonna pay 10 euros just to find out if it works or not.

Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 14:48:35 No.5561597

>>5561204
Tried it out with an open mind. It's honestly really shitty. I'm not just saying that as a typical 4chan retard that hates shit for the sake of hating shit (I hate that faggot).

Game feel is different, no doubt about it, it doesn't have anywhere near the accuracy of GDX/NBlood and to any real fan it will be immediately apparent. Played on Well Done, the guns don't feel the same, they're less impactful and the kill physics have been toned down a lot. Enemy HP values are different, cultists for example die with fewer shots. Caleb's movement doesn't feel quite as nice, either. There is one place this port is better than the original game though, and that's in the use of explosives and area of effect weapons. BUILD engine had that sector problem that could make explosives not register how they should. That's gone in this version.

I was hoping that the crouch exploits would be fixed but they aren't, it's exactly the same which is unfortunate (although that's not a negative compared to the other versions because naturally they're all fucked, too). The sound is really muffled (tommy gun sounds so bad) and the music sometimes randomly doesn't work. Also the midi soundtrack is not using the best midi version; it's using one of the shittier ones which sucks. Overall the port feels very buggy, too, and I encountered a few visual glitches as well as other little hiccups that need to be fixed. The presentation is an absolute joke for an official "remaster", not like what happened with the Turok re-releases. It makes me laugh thinking that kids here claimed this would automatically be better than GDX/NBlood just because it's an officially released product. I wondered why Atari hadn't marketed this thing at all (first I heard that it released today was that post itt) and now I know... it's a really half-assed offering and they clearly don't give a fuck.

Stick with GDX/NBlood/DOSBox, there's no reason whatsoever to use this.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 15:02:03 No.5561623 >>5561597 How's the multiplayer? Cus the other versions multiplayer is FUCKING TRASH. If this one's multiplayer is actually playable then this version has its niche purpose over the others

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 15:06:17 No.5561628 >>5561597 No offense but your feelings are not facts.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 15:07:58 No.5561630 >>5561623 I couldn't access it, I just got "failed to retrieve results" when I clicked on Join Game. 'Host game' nothing happens.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 15:09:25 No.5561631 >>5561630 When you click host game, go to new game. That much I figured out...now how the fuck does one join?

Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 15:15:32 No.5561642

>>5560541
Don't post about something when you know nothing about it. Blood EX does not use any code from the fan ports. The only community content it uses is some voxels.
>>5560619
if the original game's maps run on it, then logically user maps will run on it as well.

Also in case my post sounds overly positive/shilly, the sound is off and the OpenGL mode is absurdly slow (and I can run the GL mode in NBlood perfectly fine).

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 15:35:03 No.5561706 Will this work on a VERY low-powered PC?

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 15:36:08 No.5561708 What are the EXACT changes over the original?

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 15:36:25 No.5561709 >>5561706 No, it requires DX11 and/or OGL 3.2 compatible hardware.

Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 15:36:56 No.5561713
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>>5561628
Well let's see. Facts of that post:
>Game feel is different, no doubt about it, it doesn't have anywhere near the accuracy of GDX/NBlood and to any real fan it will be immediately apparent.
>Played on Well Done, the guns don't feel the same, they're less impactful and the kill physics have been toned down a lot. [To elaborate on this, for example I was point-blank alt-shotgunning zombies while moving forwards and they barely went any distance. If it was the original game, they would have been blown across the map]
>Enemy HP values are different, cultists for example die with fewer shots.
>I was hoping that the crouch exploits would be fixed but they aren't, it's exactly the same which is unfortunate
>The sound is really muffled (tommy gun sounds so bad) and the music sometimes randomly doesn't work.
>Also the midi soundtrack is not using the best midi version; it's using one of the shittier ones which sucks.
>Overall the port feels very buggy, too, and I encountered a few visual glitches as well as other little hiccups that need to be fixed.

Not only is the gameplay different, it feels like a straight downgrade. You know how BloodCM felt like a pile of shit? This kind of feels like that, just not as bad. I'm glad gog has a fair refund policy.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 15:40:42 No.5561721 I figured it out! The host Needs to Press ~ to open the command line then Type in spawnipserver The clients then press ~ and type in connectip (Host IP):5029

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>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 15:48:34 No.5561745 Man I was waiting ages for this This feels and seems like a total letdown Hopefully the updates do some fixing but I don't know, the system shock beta was more accurate than this. And I'm not even one of those DOSBox purists

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 15:55:31 No.5561759 >>5561721 Anyone want to try this together?

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 15:57:30 No.5561764 why are people so obsessed with a port of this game? I always played it in dosbox without any issues, and now that freesync monitors are a thing there's not even that to complain about

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 16:05:01 No.5561782 >>5561449 > 9p local multiplayer player turok rage wars with uncapped framerate Can't wait until that happens

Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 16:07:30 No.5561786

>>5561764
because Blood is the last of the big classic FPS games that didn't have proper modern system support

now that there are 3 different ports to choose from it's not a problem anymore, just Blood fans don't want to deal anymore with bandages applied to decaying DOS game or playing DN3D/Doom TCs that wear Blood skin

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 16:09:04 No.5561789 >>5561786 what bandages?

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 16:12:39 No.5561796 >>5561789 https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=286998267 This bullshit. Unless you wanna play with fucked up mouse aiming or fuckin keyboard controls.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 16:15:28 No.5561798 >>5561764 Because the ports have better framerate, FOV options, widescreen support, better multiplayer, etc.? Seems pretty fucking obvious why people would prefer that to the ancient exe made for DOS.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 16:16:35 No.5561802 >>5561796 all of that stuff is just normal dosbox configuration outside of mouse aiming, but isn't blood a 2d fps? Why do you need precise mouse controls? I'm sure a lot people played it with the keyboard when it came out just fine.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 16:17:34 No.5561805 >>5561802 >2d

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 16:28:47 No.5561829 >>5561802 Not exactly. The way the world data is constructed and stored is 2D, but the projection of said data is 3D.

Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 16:41:47 No.5561867
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Apparently you can't play multiplayer with people who have it on Steam if you have it on GOG (and vice versa). How fucking shameful. It's a 20 year-old game, you shouldn't need to use their proprietary bullshit to play with a friend.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 16:42:47 No.5561870 File: 38 KB, 362x346, CjcQBE6.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why does it say july 15 on the op when it came ou today?

Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 16:43:38 No.5561872

>>5561867
Also it doesn't come with mapedit (the map editor included with the original Blood). Of course, due to its archaic UI, that would be a niche feature. But to not include it at all is just bizarre. Like literally why not include it so people can at least check it out, and possibly create their own maps?

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 17:01:29 No.5561919 >>5561867 Buy them both t. Kaiser

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 17:07:48 No.5561938 It's better than I was expecting. Surprisingly customisable. Has a slightly different feel though. Half price on GOG if you already owned the DOSbox version, so happy for what I paid.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 17:08:42 No.5561940 >>5561759 Still looking for people to try this out with. It's only your public IP and only the host has to post it, it's not even hard.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 17:14:11 No.5561954 >>5561940 I'll try it out

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 17:15:08 No.5561959 july? it was supposed to be last month lol

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 17:21:41 No.5561978 >>5561802 >he still believes that bullshit "doom and douk are basically 2D" video some retard ecelebs put up

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 17:36:31 No.5562009 >>5561978 They are internally. At least map data wise. It's all about how you project this data.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 17:37:41 No.5562016 File: 82 KB, 317x288, Death-Wish-Lamp.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5560530 Here's the real question: HOW DO YOU GET DEATH WISH RUNNING IN THE REMASTER?

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 17:38:29 No.5562019 >>5562009 Doom is 2d. Build engine games are 3D.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 17:41:58 No.5562027 >>5561954 Did it work for you?

Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 17:42:53 No.5562028

>>5562009
>>5562019
So the real world is also essentially 2D because maps exist.

Except it's not.

It does not matter how data is stored, only how it is interpreted, so both Doom and Douk (as well as any other such game) are 3D.
Because 3D means 3 dimensions. In those games all environments have 3 dimensions, and all characters navigate within 3 axis of movement. Nothing else is relevant to whether the game is 2D or 3D.
Stop inventing your own definitions.

2.5D is not really a thing (no such thing as half of a dimension), but it is widely used as simplification term when either gameplay or graphics do not present a third dimension. Like some fighting games or platformers where player's movement is limited to a single plane.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 17:43:36 No.5562029 >>5562016 The journo for Rock Paper Shotgun said it worked until the second episode

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 17:46:27 No.5562037 >>5562019 Carmack and Romero themselves said that "it's 3D, but intentionally limited to omit most unnecessary calculations to make it run on hardware of the time"

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 17:48:44 No.5562041 >>5562028 >all characters navigate within 3 axis of movement I thought that wasn't the case in doom, and that's why you can't have rooms above/under other rooms and why elevators are just blocks rising from the ground.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 17:52:16 No.5562049 >>5562029 Someone needs to test this shit out.

Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 17:59:26 No.5562068

>>5562028
Yeah but not in Doom. In the real world things can be on topic each other, and you can move up and down.

In doom nothing can be on top of something else. You can't jump, you can't crouch. Shooting hit checks are done only horizontally, your vertical aim doesn't matter. The z axis literally plays no role in the game at all, only x and y. This is the definition of 2d!

And no, stairs don't count, they are only a graphical hack. You can't walk underneath stairs, so basically they are the same as a flat surface.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 18:00:20 No.5562069 >>5562019 No.

Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 18:00:22 No.5562070
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I like it guys. It's not 1:1 but I knew going into it that it wouldn't be cause Atari are a bunch of faggots.

I'm just happy blood is getting some attention in fucking 2019

>inb4 shill/retard/cope

fuck off autist

Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 18:01:15 No.5562072

>>5562068
>The z axis literally plays no role in the game at all, only x and y.
Then how can cacodemons fly? As another anon said, it's a 3D engine with various things limited to improve performance. Heretic was based on the Doom engine and let things pass under / over eachother.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 18:01:23 No.5562073 >>5562028 No >>5561829

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 18:01:59 No.5562074 >>5562068 You can fall off surfaces onto lower surfaces. It's effectively "3D, but with limited movement options".

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 18:02:35 No.5562076 >>5562028 >>5562037 Doom uses BSP, DN3D portals

Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 18:07:20 No.5562095

>>5562041
>>5562068
That's a limitation of the way map data is stored.

Cacodemons for example can rise up and down (as well as shoot fireballs upwards and downwards). Player can ride up and down an elevator or drop down - that changes their positions along Z axis, while lateral movement is X and Y axis.
If the game was "ackchually 2D) you would not be able to do that - like you can't in Wolfenstein.

In Wolf, Z axis only used for rendering, and does not exist for player, enemies or anything else. For some reason people that heard about "wolf being pretty much 2D" (it is 2.5 d in fact) extrapolate it onto Doom as well. The infamous video talks on length about how Doom acts same as Wolfenstein, while spoiting verifiable bullshit.

>>5562068
>Shooting hit checks are done only horizontally
Wrong. In source you can clearly see how Z axis is used in shooting checks.
Supershotgun for example has vertical spread. If Z axis was not used, it would've shot in a stretched line.
Also this is how cacodemon (or imps standing on platform) fireball goes from the sky onto you, and if you dodge it hits the ground. If there was no Z axis check, that could not have happened.

>>5562076
Both use BSP. Duke basically uses gross hacks to create portals by manipulating BSP trees. Editor just makes it easier to use, and there are some special accomodations for the fact. You can use same gross hacks to do portals in vanilla Doom, as Linguica discovered.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 18:08:38 No.5562097 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2GLB-rhttk /vr/ is wrong (once again).

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 18:11:05 No.5562109 File: 405 KB, 2048x1152, Lazy-Game-Reviews.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5562097 what does lgr say?

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 18:12:41 No.5562114 >>5562097 ggman is a faggot who will suck the cock of anyone that gives him an early release copy I say this agreeing with him, btw. I like the new version, it's fine. But don't link him as proof of it not sucking

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 18:12:56 No.5562115 >>5562097 >ecelebrity pleb spouting uninformed bullshit Breaking news!

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 18:14:31 No.5562118 >>5562097 geegeegeeman some times correct (but so is broken clock twice a day)[shwacked!], however he was seen spouting bullshit way too many times to take any of his opinions at face value

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 18:15:59 No.5562124 >>5562097 >gggmanlives i don't even think this remaster is going to be bad, but i'm not trusting this faggot he was literally a paid shill for fallout 76 who didn't make it public until after his review came out that he was provided with a free copy

Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 18:18:29 No.5562131

>>5562019
no theyre both 3d that uses 2d rendering tricks, the gameplay itself is still 3 dimensional because it has an x y z axis, it may not be a true z axis because its merely a height map but to the player you still need to be at the correct height to interact with a button or go through a passage, you cant fall in a chasm and walk straight up the cliff on the otherside because there are 3 dimensions. Build is the same thing they just added a lot more fancy tricks so you could stack sectors and such

Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 18:21:12 No.5562137
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Build removed BSP limitation by not preprocessing its maps and relying on a Portal system

Another misconception about Build is that it is not a raycaster: The vertices are projected first in screen space and then a column/distance from POV are generated

This results in
1. head out from player sector
2. navigate portals connected to player sector
3. group walls in bunches and store in stack
4. evaluate sprite visibility and store in stack
5. process bunches in near to far order
6. render solid walls and portals
7. stop wall drawing
8. draw visible sprites in far to near order
9. swap buffers, restart procedure with second buffer

Each wall in the bunch is projected in screenspace and then

If it is a solid wall
Render ceiling if visible
Render floor if visible.
Render wall if visible
Mark the entire column as occluded in the occlusion array.
If it is a portal:
Render ceiling if visible.
Render floor if visible.
Peek into the next sector
If the next sector ceiling is lower than current sector ceiling: Draw a "DOWN" step partial wall.
If the next sector floor is higher than current sector floor: Draw an "UP" step partial wall.
Update the occlusion array according to what has been drawn

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 18:24:07 No.5562141 >>5562097 GmanLives is a known cunt and a scrub

Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 18:24:21 No.5562142

>>5562095
Technically correct but misleading. These are not true 3D movements, and in fact are very easily mapped onto 2d concepts.

>player can fall off a raised platform and not be able to get back up.
This is no different than having a 1 way door, player can pass through one way and then can't go back. Nothing 3D exclusive.

>elevators
Again, doom elevators are just doors. They take you from 1 area to another, and just because they display a 3D animation while they do that, that doesn't make them truly 3D.

>cacodemon projectiles and flying
Again, not true 3D movement. As I have proven earlier, doom's elevators and dropping from heights are equivalent to doors, so a cacodemon "flying" is just an enemy being able to go through doors the player cannot. This is 2d stuff! Same thing with the projectiles. They animate the projectiles z movement in 3D, but it doesn't matter. If you are "too high" to hit then it's just as if you were behind a closed door that blocks the blast. The z axis doesn't matter.

>shotgun spread
I haven't noticed that in the original dos version. I am not talking about source ports here, those are full 3D. But again since doom's heights are no different than doors, that range check is no different than in the case of the cacodemon projectiles, so still not 3D.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 18:31:01 No.5562160 >>5562142 Stop inventing definitions of 3D Either it has Z dimension (fireball flying downward) or it does not. It is irrelevant whether tricks or not were used.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 18:34:13 No.5562172 >>5562027 no, sadly

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 18:34:21 No.5562173 So I guess no one tried the MP yet. I'm gonna go to the hospital tomorrow, after I go and come back I plan to buy the Steam version and see if it works there.

Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 18:34:24 No.5562174

>>5562160
Look, I totally agree that the graphics are 3D. I'm talking about the gameplay here. And if the gameplay interacts with the z axis so little that you could create a mechanically identical game in 2d, then I he game is not a true 3D game from a gameplay perspective.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 18:37:18 No.5562182 >>5562172 Sorry, I didn't read your message. It was the GoG version right? I'll try the Steam one if no one does.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 18:41:20 No.5562190 >if I can't shoot straight downwards at my non-existent feet then it's not real 3D!! >:(

Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 18:42:57 No.5562192
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>>5562137
>>5562131
>>5562095
>>5562068
>>5562028
>>5562019
>>5562009

My god who the hell CARES? What exactly does this have to do with whether or not you'd want proper mouse aiming in these games? They're FIRST PERSON SHOOTERS. Whether or not they're technically 2D in implementation has no bearing on the basic gameplay and the reason you'd want a proper modern control scheme to look around, the most fundamental action of the genre.
Does anybody really want to play Doom OR any of the builld engine games with a keyboard? Why the fuck would you ever?

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 18:44:56 No.5562194 >>5562182 no it was the steam, trying GOG now

Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 18:45:30 No.5562195

>>5562192
And furthermore, even vanilla doom supported mouse turning, you just couldn't look up and down because it wouldn't be meaningful for the way aiming is set up, and it wouldn't look right since the scene isn't being rendered in a perspective-correct way.

If we CAN render the world with proper perspective, looking up and down is convenient, as well. That's the advantage of a source port with a hardware renderer.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 18:45:34 No.5562196 >>5562192 doom plays fine on a keyboard

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 18:46:51 No.5562197 >>5562196 No it doesn't and you know it. That's the reason the game featured mouse turning.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 18:47:28 No.5562202 >>5562197 Doom also played fine on a controller.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 18:48:14 No.5562204 >>5562197 all these games have shitloads of builtin auto aim, you don't need a mouse for any of them but at least in build shit you can actually look at what you're shooting at so that's nice I guess.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 18:49:08 No.5562208 >>5561870 Because OP was too excited and looked at the original Blood release date which was indeed July 15... 1998.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 18:50:00 No.5562210 >>5562204 Yeah, they featured the heavy auto-aim to accommodate the players who didn't own a mouse, and as such, couldn't aim precisely. That doesn't mean it's the best way, or even the intended way to play the game.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 18:50:21 No.5562212 Fucking hell dos box blood is horrible Got fresh supply and its better but I don't know the ins and outs of the best blood versions

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 18:50:41 No.5562214 >>5562210 ok? well they still play fine on keyboard.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 18:50:47 No.5562215 >>5562197 my god you are a zoomer

Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 18:53:08 No.5562220

>>5562212
Download NBlood or BloodGDX. They're fan ports that run 99% the same as the original, except with features expected of modern games like widescreen, FOV options, etc. This remaster is really not very accurate, and doesn't add many improvements.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 18:53:16 No.5562221 >>5562192 People started to call you out on your BS and somehow you get defensive and buttmad

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 18:53:29 No.5562224 >>5562197 To be fair, players using mouse control in doom didn't really take off until the Doom II era. Players using the mouse was a lot rarer at the time of release of the original doom (not ultimate doom or any of the rereleases).

Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 18:53:40 No.5562225

>>5562215
Maybe I am, or maybe I just owned a mouse when Doom was released. The argument applies exactly the same either way.

>>5562214
Maybe it's "fine", but it's certainly not optimal in any way. That's my personal standard of "fine", but it's still subjective.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 18:54:39 No.5562230 File: 29 KB, 818x88, fuck.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] do I really have to install GOG's client just to play online? I recall GDX being able to do P2P

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 18:55:07 No.5562231 >>5562225 or maybe you should play it on a nice model m keyboard and not some shit macbook butterfly piece of shit

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 18:55:22 No.5562234 >>5562224 Sure, maybe it was less popular but it was still present in the game and it's the way Romero himself played. I consider that to be the gold standard.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 18:56:07 No.5562239 >>5562220 I'll check those out thanks man

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 18:56:50 No.5562243 >>5562234 Yeah but they also had ton of the line SGI workstations they used to develop the game, and those were way out of reach of the average consumer.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 18:59:59 No.5562251 >>5562243 Yeah for movement obviously. Still far inferior to a pointing device for aiming, though. >>5562231 Sure, but mice weren't. They just hadn't seen mass adoption yet.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 19:01:37 No.5562256 >>5562230 That photo is steam version or GoG?

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 19:03:01 No.5562258 File: 42 KB, 497x732, 200 percent.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] DID THESE MOTHERFUCKER SERIOUSLY REMOVE "ONE WHOLE UNIT BLOOD" OFF GOG??? IM FUCKING MAD NOW

Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 19:04:58 No.5562260
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>>5562258
Just pirate the game and use BloodGDX or something.
I'm honestly amazed that these atari jews are allowed to push out a lazy remake and make a shitload of cash while the original devs of the game won't see a single penny from this new release.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 19:07:22 No.5562267 >>5562258 At least it is still in my library, thanks Jeezus and fuck these greedy Atari kikes.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 19:08:46 No.5562269 >>5562260 >>5562267 I think if you buy Fresh Supply OWUB comes as an extra to download I THINK. I don't know

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 19:08:52 No.5562270 >>5562260 The original devs already got their money, they got paid a salary when making the game. If they wanted more of a cut, they should have negotiated that in their contract.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 19:10:52 No.5562276 >>5562256 GOG

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 19:12:53 No.5562285 >>5560859 i assume this is to the tune of quiet riot I wanna rock

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 19:13:26 No.5562287 The only issue I have with GDX really is that the color palette is quite off compared to the original, but it's the best of all the ports desu.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 19:13:55 No.5562290 >>5562285 holy fuck I mean twisted sister lmao what a fuckup all that shit sounds the same anyway

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 19:15:30 No.5562297 >>5562276 So as long as no one learns a way to put the pirated copy into Galaxy we're forced to buy it. It's ok, I was planning on buying the game anyway.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 19:16:14 No.5562298 >>5562270 Being one of the slaving peasants in game development really must suck

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 19:26:55 No.5562323 >>5562194 does it work ?

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 19:27:45 No.5562326 I'll just wait for Fresh Supply to get fixed with fanpatches or something. I'm in no rush.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 19:28:35 No.5562329 >>5562323 nope, shit's fucked

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 19:47:41 No.5562384 >>5560859 You guessed wrong

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 19:53:06 No.5562402 File: 647 KB, 1920x1080, ree.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5562269 it does.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 19:54:07 No.5562404 >>5562402 It's a very good release then. Definitely gonna buy the GoG version later on and test it online.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 19:54:52 No.5562406 >>5562384 >some Aussie cunt on youtube said so

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 19:56:39 No.5562414 >>5562402 >they still haven't fixed the missing icons

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 19:56:46 No.5562416 Eradicator EX when?

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 20:03:51 No.5562437 >>5562416 Catacomb Armageddon EX when?

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 20:05:19 No.5562442 >>5560530 Why do we lose all our weapons when respawning in singleplayer? I mean, come on...

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 20:12:11 No.5562451 I noticed this port uses openal-soft. If you have an x-fi card, you can remove openal32.dll to get hardware hrtf audio. Pretty neat.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 20:12:34 No.5562453 File: 1.26 MB, 1920x1080, roo.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5562414 if I click on em they show up and stay till I close galaxy, i just updated galaxy and I couldn't actually be bothered before, but see I fixed it just to show you :)

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 20:13:25 No.5562454 >>5562453 Yeah I know, I do it too.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 20:15:23 No.5562461 File: 29 KB, 600x344, tanya wat.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >GoG removed the One Unit Whole Blood page from their website It's the end of an era.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 20:15:30 No.5562462 >>5562453 >Delta Force 2 and Disciples nice

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 20:23:06 No.5562485 >>5562462 I also got land warrior just dont got that one installed right now highly recommend if you have only played the first 2, I actually have 333 games in my gog library after purchasing fresh supply though :D

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 20:31:26 No.5562510 MARINATE PHALLUS!

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 20:54:57 No.5562572 I bought it for five bucks. I probably wouldn't pay more than that but it seems mostly good enough.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 21:01:30 No.5562591 >>5560530 I bought it but it keeps saying I don't have the license for it?

Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 21:06:45 No.5562601

>>5562192
>you'd want proper mouse aiming in these games? They're FIRST PERSON SHOOTERS
I'm comfortable enough playing with the keyboard. It's a special sort of boomer hyper autism, but you don't constantly need to move the mouse on both axis anyway.
You don't NEED a mouse to play. You didn't back then you don't know. Other than landing grenades on switched in Marathon, accuracy isn't all that necessary.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 21:08:08 No.5562606 >>5561728 Pretty sure I've seen that .dll on dgVoodoo 2's webpage. Drag and drop it into the folder.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 21:11:05 No.5562623 File: 83 KB, 1790x331, blood.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5562192 hey don't take it from me

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 21:11:44 No.5562624 >>5562461 >>5562572 Why the fuck you retards are still paying money for single player games that are available on like 200 different websites including the one you're fucking posting on right now to download for free is beyond me.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 21:13:17 No.5562629 >>5562197 I played Doom on only a keyboard just 3 months ago, the 3 episode original only, and it was my first time playing it. Played fine.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 21:19:04 No.5562647 what's the deal with blood elitists? it's a good more or less accurate version with lots of improvements nigga if you want to play something authentic use DOSbox instead of whinging about everything

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 21:20:54 No.5562651 >>5560530 This game's game feel and gun play suck balls from what I've played. First time trying the game out seriously and I'm playing on Well Done.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 21:22:48 No.5562654 >>5562647 I blame the /v/ invasion. Its turning more people into bitter contrarians.

Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 21:23:29 No.5562658

>>5562647
Because 'good enough' and 'accurate' is the difference between a mod or a replay working and one not working because the behavior is radically different.
I'm not a purist and in fact have little experience with blood, but I do understand where they are coming from on this front.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 21:24:29 No.5562660 >>5562654 did some e-celeb youtuber make a "video essay" trying to nitpick everything about the game or something?

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 21:27:01 No.5562668 >>5562658 >mod or a replay according to the store page it's full compatible with mods/maps

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 21:36:07 No.5562689 can anyone confirm if gog and steam multiplayer lobbies are separate or not?

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 21:42:30 No.5562703 >>5562109 what does Civvie say?

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>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 21:48:27 No.5562716 >>5562703 this but unironically

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 21:51:24 No.5562727 >>5562716 If anything id be interested to see him do CP with this, so he runs the gamut of GDX, Nblood, to Fresh Supply

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 22:03:39 No.5562750 File: 150 KB, 600x600, R-8384800-1460574301-7205.jpeg.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Hey nightdive, make it happen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7I8pC_DOXC4

Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 22:24:24 No.5562792

Alright, I caved in and bought the GOG version and downloaded their stupid launcher to see if multiplayer works. It does. If you downloaded the game from the doom general's MEGA link or any other, the game will check if you have Galaxy installed. If you don't, an error message pops up in the console and you won't be able to join or host over the internet.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 22:32:32 No.5562803 >>5562792 they answered on the steam forums about connecting steam/gog, can only direct IP connect to play together

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 22:36:08 No.5562807 >>5562689 Where'd you hear that?

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 22:43:06 No.5562815 I've bought Blood two or three times and I just done bought it again. I have never seen Blood this smooth.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 22:49:07 No.5562827 68.44.62.230 if anyone wants to join

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 22:50:32 No.5562831 >>5562601 Autoaim in Blood is/was ass. This is a game where proper mouse aim is absolutely a plus.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 22:51:34 No.5562834 >>5562601 Wait, you're implying that Marathon had autoaim against enemies? You're clearly a zoomer that never played any shooters in the 90s.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 22:51:43 No.5562835 >>5562689 >can anyone confirm if gog and steam multiplayer lobbies are separate or not? Yes, they are. I joined the Nightdive discord and asked them directly and was told that sadly they are.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 22:55:25 No.5562845 >>5562827 what version of game do you have?

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 22:59:39 No.5562849 >>5562845 1.8.4 I think. Whatever the "final" version of fresh supply is.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 23:02:09 No.5562853 >>5562849 Are you on GoG or steam? What's your name on there?

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 23:05:33 No.5562858 >>5562853 I'm using GOG, but I've been told that doing connectip <ip> in console lets you play with people regardless of GOG or Steam.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 23:07:54 No.5562862 https://steamcommunity.com/app/1010750/discussions/0/1649918058726550161/

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 23:09:20 No.5562864 File: 245 KB, 1680x1050, pTEPPth.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5562287 nBlood is more accurate and doesn't run on java

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 23:18:22 No.5562872 File: 75 KB, 983x1013, 1409179081235.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5561319 >Keks engine

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 9, 2019 23:22:23 No.5562880 >>5562109 >>5562703 Have Sex

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 00:03:09 No.5562942 >>5561597 Thanks for this post

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 00:03:46 No.5562946 >>5562858 nope gog galaxy only

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 00:10:09 No.5562971 File: 6 KB, 145x145, LOL.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5562097 >gggman top kek anon, but this is a low quality bait anyway

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 00:14:09 No.5562985 >>5562750 There's no need to ruin this too with a lazy "remaster", just use RedneckGDX or Rednukem

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 00:45:35 No.5563039 so gameplay wise what did they change? also can I use bloodgdx or nblood with the new version?

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 01:22:12 No.5563087 Something about this remaster just feels gross, I can't put my finger on it Hoping for a refund, I'm just going to go back to GDX

Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 02:54:36 No.5563225

>>5563039
>so gameplay wise what did they change?
There's so many little differences that really add up. Caleb feels faster, jumping feels different, explosions are different (more consistent, this is actually not bad), the AI is different (sometimes cultists will just shoot at nothing), etc. Also random oddities which I'm guessing the devs thought would be an improvement but just seem odd to veteran players, like cultists having extra pain noises.

Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 02:56:41 No.5563228

>>5563225
>>5563039
Forgot to finish my post. The worst difference is the voodoo doll, the whole point is that it hits enemies no matter where you aim, and in the remaster they have to be in your crosshair.
You could use NBlood or GDX, since the remaster includes all the original required game files unmodified.

Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 03:05:38 No.5563241

pros
>it just works
>has splitscreen

cons
>music is bugged, won't play on loading save
>requires DX11 and Vulkan, for what purpose?
>doesn't play replays in menu, sale/load screens don't show screenshots
>crashed on me a few times

overall it's decent for people who just want to play Blood but find the dosbox experience hard to swallow and don't know how to setup other ports

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 03:08:06 No.5563245 >>5563241 >pros >it just works Tell that to the dozens and dozens of people who have already reported it either simply not launching at all, or crashing either in both SP and MP.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 03:12:37 No.5563249 File: 58 KB, 512x512, skeletonxmas.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5563245 it works on my computer

Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 03:20:20 No.5563261

>>5562624
You're the retard. It's not about not being able to pirate a 5 bucks game; or whether the original DOS game is hard to pirate, or even whether or not accurate sourceport exists.

It's about knowing that the only official version of the game is this highly innacurate, broken and glitchy mess.

And thus, for all the clueless people, Blood won't be Blood, but this POS will be Blood.

The only hope left is that Warner Bros and maybe others come bite this version in the ass.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 03:39:51 No.5563285 >>5562173 I hope you're ok anon.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 03:39:51 No.5563286 >>5563261 we get it hendricks, eduke is very good

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 03:48:43 No.5563294 >>5563261 and the official version of star wars are the blurays, tough shit boomer. Original blood was bullshit hitscan anyway so who cares.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 03:51:59 No.5563296 >>5563241 >>requires DX11 and Vulkan, for what purpose? Isn't it running on the Doom 64 EX engine?

Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 03:52:41 No.5563301

>>5563294
>and the official version of star wars are the blurays, tough shit boomer.

That would be an accurate comparison if those blurays had changed the story or at least the way the movie is cut.
The changes here are far more than purely comsetic.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 03:54:19 No.5563302 >>5563301 you do know that there are a bunch of added scenes that weren't there originally right?

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 04:04:47 No.5563310 Just bought it on Steam. Damn dude, now we're cooking with gas. This is a LOT better than the Russian fan made shit. Just try it, night and day difference, no kidding bros. Blood LIVES AGAIN.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 04:17:54 No.5563324 File: 30 KB, 400x400, 1438107663382.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] So the consensus that I have gathered is that the Blood remaster is meh and that you are better off just sticking with BloodGDX or nBlood.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 04:19:08 No.5563325 >>5563324 Yeah if you don't have like $5 to pay for the working multiplayer then keep sucking the Russian cock, fucking retard.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 04:25:26 No.5563332 File: 155 KB, 546x604, STALKER.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5563325 What are you trying to say, pal?

Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 05:11:09 No.5563380

>>5560696
Shadow Warrior's port is kinda janky at places. For instance the landmines become invisible due to the real 3D rendering, the graphic slips underneath the floor.
This would likely be quite easy to fix, but the port hasn't been updated in years.

>>5562709
They hired fucking Ednerd? Does that mean this port's multiplayer operates on P2P?

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 05:14:45 No.5563382 File: 78 KB, 440x265, 1529793078115.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5562097 >gggmanlives

Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 05:35:35 No.5563405

>>5562068
There's absolutely a Z-Axis in Doom, the original .exe just deliberately skips calculating it in a number of instances to save CPU power for other things, and because they figured it wouldn't be important for the levels they were making.

>lifts and platforms can move up and down, the player and monsters can be raised or lowered on these
>doors move up and down, they are a real part of the map geometry and will impede movement and attacks until they're cleared
>the player can drop down from ledges and climb stairs, so can monsters, when killed a monster may also be thrown from a ledge
>flying monsters can rise and descend, they can't be snuck under because the engine is specifically told not to let you do this, but Heretic uses the same engine and lets you pass underneath flying enemies
>monsters may launch ranged attacks in upwards or downwards angles, the player's auto aim will try to adjust the angle of attacks for height
>the arch-vile's attack will launch the player upwards upon completion (this can be exploited as a jump to reach certain places you weren't yet supposed to, or at all)
>when the player dies, the height of his actor lowers (this is also something which can be exploited for speedrunning; if the player still has inertia when he dies, he will keep sliding, and can potentially slide underneath a barrier and over an exit linedef, beating the level at the expense of their inventory)
The engine can also technically look up or down, it just isn't a coded function in the original .exe (presumably because Carmack thought it looked too crude and distorted), Heretic, Hexen, and Strife, DO allow the player to look up and down, all using the same engine.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 05:37:29 No.5563408 Oh yeah, and the Super Shotgun calculates spread horizontally and vertically.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 05:44:01 No.5563421 >>5561325 GDX has custom difficulty options too. Also where's that from >>5561597 Pretty much.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 05:48:30 No.5563426 >>5561764 Because Blood doesn't run 100% proper in DosBOX, and the ports allow you to fix some bugs like with the choking hands, or the damage scaling inverting when you load a save.

Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 05:51:22 No.5563432

>>5561802
>I'm sure a lot people played it with the keyboard when it came out just fine.
I can promise you that extremely few people have beat Blood playing keyboard only.

It's way too fast for that, and this was well into the era of free mouselook, which Quake and even Duke Nukem 3D had.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 05:58:28 No.5563442 >>5562068 >your vertical aim doesn't matter Wrong, if the enemy stands on a pillar, and auto-aim isn't in effect, then when you shoot you will hit the pillar and not the enemy.

Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 06:23:55 No.5563489

>>5562197
The base game is fairly easy and plays ok on keyboard only, better with a gamepad, with enough buttons and the right binds (the Classic Complete and BFG Edition ports have very good gamepad controls for instance). If you didn't have a compatible mouse back in the day, or your PC didn't have enough memory to run both Doom and its mousedrivers at the same time, then keyboard only was an option, and for the original 3 episodes, plausible.

However, if you look at Final Doom, then you get far more advanced and difficult levels, and most people would really need the advantage of mouseturning to play it.
Looking further at usermade maps, VERY little content is made under the expectation that someone will beat them (let alone play them at all), using keyboard only. Even hardcore purists will use mouseturning, because it's the optimal vanilla experience.

Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 06:31:50 No.5563503

>>5562243
True, I think Carmack paid like $10000 (in early 90s dollars) for the NeXTSTEP machine the main development was done on.

However, you didn't need a prohibitively expensive top of the line professional work station to get full enjoyment out of Doom back at launch, a decent 486 would give you good and consistent framerate and have enough memory to run your mouse drivers with the game.
Granted this would cost more than a 386, but not so much that it would be way out of reach for the average consumer.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 06:32:15 No.5563504 >>5563332 Nothing, he's sucking Kaiser's cock instead. Do yourself a favor and stick with BGDX, pal. Funny thing the latter isn't closed source anymore so you aren't "sucking" anyone's cock in particular.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 06:35:54 No.5563509 File: 30 KB, 603x331, gman.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] So... this is finally an actual source port to end them all? Not some fan made bullshit reverse-engineered by a bunch of autistic Russians? Buying it in a sec.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 06:39:33 No.5563517 >>5563509 lol have fun with your bugged mess with 0 gameplay accuracy >>5563513

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 06:44:52 No.5563528 >>5562097 He sucks at games, just like ICARUSLIV3S Civvie 11 was the only one knowing what he was talking about when it comes to Blood

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 06:45:55 No.5563530 >>5563325 Hi Kaiser. Fix your shit you talent-less hack

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 06:50:38 No.5563538 >>5563528 >Civvie11 was the only one knowing what he was talking about when it comes to Blood Top quality bait

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 08:12:35 No.5563635 >>5563285 I'm back. I'm gonna buy the GoG version and look for people to host with within a few hours, first I have shit to do in Granblue.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 08:15:16 No.5563638 >>5563538 Hi Gman

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 08:15:59 No.5563640 >>5563638 Hi Civvie

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 08:20:33 No.5563650 >>5563635 >buying it for the multiplayer >on GOG based retard there's no crossplay between Steam and GOG versions, where do you think most people are going to be at

Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 08:25:20 No.5563659

>>5563650
>there's no crossplay between Steam and GOG versions, where do you think most people are going to be at
What in the fuck are you even talking about? I don't plan to crossplay anything, I just want to play GoG with any people, and since the problem reports all come from the Steam version I'm staying the fuck away from it.

If anything I'd be playing with the superior chad people from GoG rather than the zoomer garbage that is Steam.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 08:30:20 No.5563669 >>5563659 In the end you lose anyway just by buying that bugged and inaccurate shit show, lol.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 08:30:36 No.5563670 >>5563659 lol dude it's literally the same game, both versions are DRM free even, you can play SP without Steam client if you so desire the only difference is Steamworks multiplayer vs whatever Galaxy bullshit that only 3 autists are using

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 08:32:24 No.5563673 >>5563640 Hi Cancer Mouse

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 08:40:09 No.5563686 >new port of classic game gets released >/vr/ is absolutely SEETHING >Wahhh, wahhh, my obscure shit port of choice will become irrelevant!!! >Normies will contaminate my precious game, wahhh wahhhhh!!! Never change, /vr/. Stay mad.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 08:57:28 No.5563717 Blood: Full Supply is different than the original, because it's better than the original.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 09:05:19 No.5563731 >>5563686 Nice generalization you got there, smartass. Inform yourself about the issues at hand and only then feel free to post about the topic, you maggot devoid of destiny.

Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 09:07:03 No.5563734

>>5563686
You can keep thinking that if it makes you feel better, Nightboy, but the truth is that we care about "normies" having the best experience of Blood and not some amateur approximative recreation.

When Duke Nukem 3D World Tour came out, there was a lot of hate, and a lot of it was unfounded and biased because Randy Pitchford.

In this case it's nothing like that, the facts speak for themselves. Fresh Supply is highly innacurate, glitchy, refuses to even run for a lot people, crashes for others, and I could go on.

If Nightdive had managed to do something of the quality of BloodGDX or nBlood I would be praising it everywhere.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 09:07:52 No.5563736 >>5563717 >having a game full of bugs, fucked up movement, more stupid AI, less customization, easier difficulty, etc. is somewhat better than the original lmaoing at your shit tastes

Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 09:10:23 No.5563741

>>5563731
>>5563734
Go on, keep on being anal devastated about literally nothing. The new release will become the definitive way of playing Blood, GDX, NBlood and DOSbox will become mere historical curiosities, and there's absolutely NOTHING you can do about it.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 09:13:42 No.5563749 File: 15 KB, 361x359, Untitled.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >now everyone and their mother is playing Blood

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 09:20:24 No.5563767 >>5563741 lol keep dreaming

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 09:22:14 No.5563775 >>5563741 Shut up Kaiser. Your shit port doesn't even run on Build.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 09:23:56 No.5563781 >>5563767 >Says the faggot that thinks the issues of the remaster won't be soon ironed out Unlike these fan ports, which progress is completely at the mercy of their creators, the official release has real support.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 09:31:09 No.5563801 Thanks guys, I was going to throw money at this since I wanted a good version of Blood. Now I know not to buy this hacked piece of shit.

Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 09:42:25 No.5563828

>>5563509
It's not exactly the same and doesn't "use" the source code not that it matters at all I just hate these fucking e-celebs spouting nonsense and their fans regurgitating it everywhere like it's fact because they watched one of these videos.
of course the longer the video is the more correct it must be too

Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 09:49:18 No.5563837

>>5563781
>What is open source?
Damn you really are stupid. Even BloodGDX now is customizable by anyone, not only that, you really think all those bugs will be fixed? You really don't know Kaiser do you? Touché if he fixes everything, but there's also some stuff on this port that isn't even a matter of bugs, but rather simple decisions made by the devs in order to reimagine the title in a very debatable way.

Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 09:50:50 No.5563840
File: 182 KB, 1200x775, DJyznZFVwAAmj1t.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

Anyone here tried direct connection through the console? I want to coop with my friends to show them the real boomer game, but they sure as hell wouldn't buy this "old crap". Do you need port forwarding or something?

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 09:59:10 No.5563856 >>5563840 not sure about port forwarding, but I think all you need to do as host is type spawnipserver in console, and then do connectip [ip] if you're joining someone we could try it if you want

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 10:06:58 No.5563868 Why not, though I won't play it for long today. If you create the server, post the ip there and I'll try to join (with a bunch of other vr/tards porbably)

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 10:07:00 No.5563869 >>5563837 >this is you on denial kek, you're a mental case. Yes, yes, keep seething, let the butthurt flow. Your impotence is hilarious

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 10:08:00 No.5563871 >>5563868 >>5563856

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 10:09:28 No.5563874 >Extended modding support, including support for already existing mods bruh there's no map editor

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 10:16:27 No.5563889 >>5563868 68.44.62.230

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 10:21:55 No.5563896 >>5563869 You really don't know how to reply to that argument, do you?

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 10:22:14 No.5563901 >>5563889 Not working at all, I guess you need to port forward the 5029 port or something

Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 10:29:33 No.5563915 [DELETED]

(((gman))) was never good, people only hate him now because he was a shill. The reality is his videos were never good and people only pretended he was important because he reviewed retro games while spewing the latest /v/ forced memes. If you want a reviewer with personality and actual humor you can watch, I shit you not, literally anyone else, and you will end up with more information about the game and a better demonstration than anything that upside down cuck could ever muster. He's the Sgt Mark IV of game reviewers; overrated and egotistical.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 10:31:20 No.5563917 >>>5562287 >nBlood is less accurate and runs on shitty engine

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 10:34:33 No.5563923 >>5562750 This anon fucks

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 10:35:32 No.5563927 >>5563736 Those bugs and glitches will get patched out by the devs. I'm talking about the changes in gunplay, movement, enemy behavior, and game mechanics. The remake changed all these things for the better.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 10:39:35 No.5563934 >>5563432 well good thing you can use the mouse in dosbox just fine then.

Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 10:40:22 No.5563937

>>5563915
Unironically this, the only jewtuber I watch is Ahoy so for me the likes of gman are small fries who entertains the likes of handicapped people or simple zoomers.
>>5563927
Of course a lot (maybe not everything) will be patched out, it's other things that bother me right now, stuff that is either intended as actual features or just debatable novelties, things that have already been mentioned ad nauseam.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 10:40:30 No.5563938 >>5563889 Strangely enough, I can ping your server through the https://check-host.net/check-ping but cannot join in the game

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 10:41:04 No.5563941 >>5561713 >crouch exploit zoomer here, mind explaining?

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 10:43:49 No.5563951 >>5563749 boomers on suicide watch. Blood was the last classic fps they had that wasn't infested by normies, now what will they flock to? Redneck Rampage?

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 10:44:24 No.5563953 >>5563941 Crouch makes you invincible to gargoyles

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 10:45:59 No.5563957 >>5562703 it's raw

Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 10:49:45 No.5563980

>>5560530
>Physics allow you to jump to places you're not intended to in the original
>Multiplayer comes only with basic functionality, chat messages aren't logged
>Sounds don't play correctly in coop
>Frequent crashing in Bloodbath
>Lots of exploits like where jumping out of the train in E1M3 does not damage you at all if you jump buffer
> Wireframe mode can be accessed in Bloodbath, giving you a wallhack

Do I need to continue?

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 10:50:30 No.5563984 File: 13 KB, 184x184, 9f57899320e66631ffb57270bdfd331539eef58a_full.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5563957 fockin roooaaaaw !

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 10:51:29 No.5563991 >>5563980 Oh yeah and I forgot that the midi font they used is garbage too, you can literally find a better one by googling "SC55 soundfont"

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 10:59:25 No.5564017 File: 17 KB, 175x159, 000897.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5562750 NOBODY HAD A JOB, IT WAS A GLORIOUS TIME https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7VCHj2OSdw

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 11:06:35 No.5564043 >>5563980 >Physics allow you to jump to places you're not intended to in the original Don't worry said Kaiser. It'll be just like Build but better, without the glitches and weird quirks of the engine, said Kaiser!

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 11:12:14 No.5564062 >>5563896 What I do know is that you're a Russian cocksucker and their shill. There an official port now, there's no need to depend on the makeshift "reverse engineered" shit anymore.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 11:15:37 No.5564073 >>5563980 >jumping out of the train in E1M3 does not damage you at all if you jump buffer Isn't that original behaviour?

Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 11:16:34 No.5564081

>>5564062
It's not a matter of shilling, rather being objective. "official port" my ass, if the thing sucks then i'll gladly use the "unofficial" means, faggot. It's also funny how you imply about shitty reverse engineering, because that's exactly what your master Kaiser did. Go back suck his dick now, you double zoomnigger.
>https://twitter.com/SVKaiser/status/1071146867650641920

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 11:22:07 No.5564103 >>5564062 >there's no need to depend on the makeshift "reverse engineered" shit anymore Fresh Supply IS a makeshift "reverse engineered" shit, that doesn't even use Build Engine. GDX and NBlood at the very least try to be demo accurate.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 11:23:31 No.5564107 File: 265 KB, 500x500, 1503461876434.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] ITT trolls trolling trolls

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 11:24:37 No.5564108 >>5564081 Ok, brah. Now go back on working on Boris' shaft, he can't wait forever.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 11:26:56 No.5564112 >>5564103 >demo accurate why is everyone so obsessed about demo accuracy isnt the most popular Doom port g/zdoom and iirc that isnt demo accurate

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 11:27:02 No.5564113 >>5560530 How do you get Inherit the Earth and/or Hostile Takeover running in Blood?

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 11:27:22 No.5564115 >>5564108 Here you go again, you don't know how to reply to an argument so you start with your spastic crying. The reply button is an option, you know? You're not obliged to embarass yourself like the retarded idiot you are.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 11:28:03 No.5564117 >>5560530 When are they going to fix it so that we can run 100% of Blood mods with no problems?

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 11:33:09 No.5564128 >>5564115 Did I touched a nerve out there, son. Don't worry, you'll get to touch something hard from your Russian master.

Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 11:34:32 No.5564131

>>5564112
ZDoom is the most popular because of it's moddability first and foremost. It's also still way closer to original Doom than Fresh Supply to original Blood, due to being based on the source code and not reverse engineered.
Demo accuracy is important here mostly to show how close reverse engineering effort made the port faithful to the original game.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 11:35:21 No.5564134 >>5564128 lol, stop seething anon it's too evident by now. chill out a bit and think about the wrong stuff you said earlier.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 11:40:58 No.5564154 >>5564134 t. anally devastated because a new port of an old game... exists. >b-b-but muh Russian shit!!!!

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 11:44:26 No.5564163 why didn't they use the original source code?

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 11:45:03 No.5564164 >>5564154 >totally missing the point Reaching for every non-counterargument you can think of, I see.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 11:45:32 No.5564168 >>5564163 Because Atari doesn't have rights for it.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 11:45:40 No.5564169 >>5564163 Monolith probably lost it.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 11:45:55 No.5564170 >>5564163 It's chained up in a tower somewhere and nobody can get to it.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 11:47:26 No.5564174 >>5564164 Go seethe more about the existence of something

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 11:51:48 No.5564187 >>5564174 That's literally what you're doing though. And you should stop, it's unhealthy.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 11:55:56 No.5564197 >>5564168 lol what they can sell the game but dont have the source code?

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 11:56:49 No.5564203 >>5564187 >no u Seethe more, kid.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 12:01:46 No.5564214 >>5564197 They are publishers, not developers.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 12:08:35 No.5564228 >>5564214 how the hell do you repackage it then?

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 12:10:33 No.5564234 >>5561204 But this one still uses sprites instead of 3d models.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 12:17:41 No.5564250 >>5564234 And that's a good thing.

Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 12:17:42 No.5564251
File: 2.94 MB, 640x360, Blood - Fresh Supply 05.10.2019 - 18.20.18.154.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>5560530
This "port", man. It's so bad. It doesn't even have the mid-air circular explosion that happens if you direct hit things with dynamite. The dynamite explosion is always the ground explosion, even when hitting enemies in mid-air. The gore effects (gibs etc) that happen when you blow up enemies are significantly reduced, too. The sound quality is also shit. Cultists are also making new sounds they weren't making before, last I heard those noises was in BloodCM. Did Kaiser use CM as a reference point or what?

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 12:20:33 No.5564257 >>5564234 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUNv1FiuxJo I think this is more your thing then

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 12:31:00 No.5564276 >>5564234 blood with 3d models?

Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 12:36:13 No.5564284

>>5562834
No, retard, all I'm saying is I can play through the game fine without using a mouse, except for getting good grenade shots on some switches (namely the fucker on the lava pit room in Welcome to the Revolution). Marathon gives you fucktons of ammunition as long as the difficulty isn't limiting what you can carry (highest difficulty let's you carry all you can find). And you don't need to aim to use fists.
Durandal will fuck you over if you use ammo before it's actually necessary to do so, and I don't think I had a problem with ammo on Infinity, past the first time I played it. So what do you need aiming for? There's enough ammo to get by without aiming, unless you don't know how to manage it.
In the past the blue fighters in the higher platforms in the bridge room right after the crushing room in Defend this! caused me trouble but if you get on the ledge and stand near them you can actually cause infighting or just blast them out of this world up close. Or just take a minute to aim, dodge a few projectiles and kill them from afar then repeat onto the other side after clearing the melee ones on the bridge (it's not really one, it's just I dunno what else to call it).
>>5562831
I only played Blood once and I don't recall much other than having trouble at the beginning, having to ask a friend about a lot of stuff and taking forever to finish the game because I thought it was ridiculous and I was too much into Myth II.

Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 12:40:17 No.5564295
File: 2.98 MB, 852x480, blood train dynamite.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>5564251
For reference, webm related. Look at the circular mid-air explosion. Look at the extra gibs and blood (hands and eyeballs for example fall out as well).

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 12:41:52 No.5564303 i like the 8 player split screen it'd be nice if duke 3d, doom 1 and 2, quake 1 2 and 3, unreal and unreal tournament 99 and 2004 had it

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 12:48:01 No.5564315 File: 2.28 MB, 640x480, Blood dynamite.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5564251 Like for like comparison. Look at the circular explosion and all those extra chunks/gibs that fall out.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 12:49:24 No.5564319 >>5564295 Report it to the dev and whine long enough about it

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 12:55:04 No.5564334 >>5564251 >>5564295 >>5564315 Jeez. So much fuckups. I wonder if it's Atari crunching NightDive and Kaiser to release it raw or was it Kaiser's ego growing big enough to the point of releasing a half assed works?

Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 13:10:21 No.5564360

>>5564319
Or I could just not play this trash, which is exactly what I'm going to do :). Not that whining about something like this would even make a difference as it's obviously not going to result in more sales for them.

>>5564334
It's literally BloodCM 2, I swear that is exactly what BloodKux feels like, from the gimped gameplay, weird ass sounds/visuals and everything else. Idk, Kaiser seems like an alright guy desu, just doing his thing and trying to get by in the world. It's too bad his thing is raping games lol. For what it's worth, the Turok 2 remaster seemed kinda cool, but I was never a big Turok guy so who knows.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 13:26:19 No.5564380 Hmm. I'm on ep3 on nblood, just going to continue playing that. I certainly wouldn't pay for this - fuk gog n steem.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 13:31:04 No.5564385 >>5564360 It's not about sale, it's so we all can enjoy a better product than searching the web for ports.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 13:51:20 No.5564431 File: 296 KB, 633x689, 1536557257735.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] It's pretty good

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 14:02:41 No.5564463 >>5564431 t. Kaiser

Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 15:21:56 No.5564778

I'm not a purist, and I actually had high hopes for this. I expected it would be basically like Blood, but with better AI and less glitches. What a damn disappointment. Pretty much all of the changes are negative. The only improvements are that the ghosts and gargoyles AI is slightly improved. The sound is wrong, many enemies behavior is wrong, the physics are wrong, it's just wrong.

>>5564431
The issue is that, in a void, it's not outright bad (barring a couple bugs). But as a remaster of the original game? It's shit.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 15:25:01 No.5564793 >>5564315 Apparently Kaiser's keeping an eye on every problem reported and wants to improve it. At least he's sounding like he's dedicated. It could be a lot better as time goes on.

Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 15:32:22 No.5564808

>>5564303
There are couple of ports based on Legacy that allow you to 2/4 player splitscreen on Doom.
There's also a tricky ways to run Unreal splitscreen (2 separate windowed instances, to one of which inputs are sent via scripts). Requires one player to use gamepad.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 15:47:11 No.5564847 File: 78 KB, 718x720, 1552227229377.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] So we can all agree: nBlood > GDX > This

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 15:50:18 No.5564862 Someone knows if the multiplayer in GOG is exclusive to Galaxy?

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 15:58:13 No.5564890 >>5564203 Literally buttmad, kek

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 15:59:52 No.5564894 >>5563915 >He's the Sgt Mark IV of game reviewers Stopped reading there.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 16:00:00 No.5564895 >>5564847 no because gdx is better

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 16:04:59 No.5564910 >>5564895 >no FOV slider >less accurate colors >Java

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 16:08:12 No.5564913 >>5564910 nBlood has inaccurate gameplay which makes all your points account to nothing.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 16:17:24 No.5564939 >>5564910 >less accurate colors Software renderer is in the works. >Java Nonissue for the end user.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 16:25:09 No.5564959 >>5564910 >He can only think about 3 counterpoints against the 100+ issues of BloodKEK top kek

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 16:27:32 No.5564968 >>5564959 It's against NBlood.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 16:27:47 No.5564969 >>5564894 well most people did considering it's at the end of the sentence you mongoloid

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 16:39:08 No.5565009 >>5564968 >He can only think about 3 counterpoints against the 10+ issues of NBlood kek

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 16:46:04 No.5565028 What specifically makes nBlood inferior to GDX?

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 16:51:50 No.5565042 >>5565028 More work to set-up addons and it's less accurate. Also, no 32-bit support. Not a big problem, but I wouldn't mind to be able run it on some of my older machines.

Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 16:52:22 No.5565049

>>5565028
Mainly gameplay inaccuracy, but I found out that it also lacks the same level of overall customization. They're both great ports though, there' no need to be elitist about it. By the way, is there someone here who uses it? I wanted to know if it finally supports other soundtrack versions, meaning not only the CD audio but also the various midi ones. GDX does so I don't see why NB shouldn't.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 16:52:24 No.5565050 >>5565028 Do you really expect NBlood to even be able to compete with Russian autism?

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 16:54:35 No.5565062 >>5565042 >>5565049 >>5565050 It was updated in April and has gotten a lot better. Still don't know if it's better than GDX, I haven't used that in a while.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 16:56:11 No.5565072 >>5565050 *open source autism Also both NBlood and BloodGDX are originally made by Russians.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 16:57:19 No.5565080 >>5565050 Nuke.YKT is also Russian and used a similar method as M210 to reverse engineer Blood and RR.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 16:58:21 No.5565083 >>5565072 As of now, GDX is open source too.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 16:58:37 No.5565084 >>5565072 GDX isn't open source, unless that happened recently.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 16:59:42 No.5565089 >>5565084 It did, it's on github.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 17:01:35 No.5565097 >>5564431 Uhm sorry pal but you see this one pixel is off by a centimeter so this port is total unplayable shit.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 17:13:57 No.5565138 https://forums.duke4.net/topic/10574-blood-fresh-supply/

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 17:19:59 No.5565151 >>5565138 >auto crouch What the hell is that?

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 18:47:40 No.5565328 File: 30 KB, 463x129, bgdx.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5565083 That's exactly that I said. >>5565084 Pic related.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 19:07:20 No.5565363 >>5565151 He probably means a crouch toggle versus holding the key.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 19:20:00 No.5565401 >>5565328 why no shadow warrior?

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 19:22:27 No.5565407 File: 16 KB, 634x450, 1529974579592.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I know you are here kaiser can you just give the people what they want and port fucking turok 3? it's like you don't want my money or something

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 19:34:12 No.5565438 >>5565407 Sorry but at the moment I'm totally focused on fixing this mess I've just released. Just joking, I'm enjoying the money and the people guzzling my cum for aforementioned abomination. Cheers!

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 19:36:09 No.5565441 >>5565438 jokes on you, I like to guzzle cum

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 19:36:57 No.5565442 >>5565401 Ask the ruskie. Perhaps he does have something planned for it. He's literally scraping the bottom of build games so I don't see any reason why he shouldn't indulge in this title too.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 19:40:12 No.5565448 >>5565328 So does that mean that BloodGDX isn't botnet anymore?

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 19:41:20 No.5565452 >>5565448 You could check for yourself and remove the botnet part before compiling :^)

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 19:55:27 No.5565474 >>5565448 it never was

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 20:37:51 No.5565590 >>5563937 Ahoy's content are a high production value wikipedia articles. Somewhat informative, but also shallow and unrepresentative in their core.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 20:40:51 No.5565596 >>5565401 Maybe because there are already several acceptable ports of those, and he's focusing on games that didn't have decent ports before.

Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 20:40:59 No.5565597

8 player split screen needs at least a 70 inch tv to be any good if you're couch gaming

6 player is easily doable on any wide screen though, 40 in and smaller you just need to sit closer and anything larger is easily done on a couch

really wish doom 1 and 2, duke 3d, quake 1-3, unreal tournament 99 and 2004, star wars dark night 1 and 2 and dark forces, team fortress classic and 2, turok 1 2 and 3 and rage wars, carmageddon, and any racings games had this feature

Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 20:41:01 No.5565598

>>5565590
With the only difference that they're not wikipedia articles, so they're just great documentary videos with high production value. Seems great to me, especially because I search that kind of objectivity in this kind of videos, and not some clown aiming everything to "personality" and debatable opinions. To each their own I guess.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 21:10:31 No.5565676 >>5565596 so can we expect legend of the seven paladins support?

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 21:20:02 No.5565709 Just hosted a dm game 3 people joined, was fun. My complaint is that the mp lobby interface does not communicate very well what you are setting up .

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 21:28:11 No.5565728 >>5565709 steam or gog?

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 21:29:51 No.5565732 >>5564131 ah, that makes sense then

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 10, 2019 22:01:41 No.5565791 File: 96 KB, 588x553, 1545327294970.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5564163 >>5564168 >>5564169 >>5564170 what if someone steals it and leaks it? will they be seen as a hero?

Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 03:48:39 No.5566389

>>5560530
Been playing Fresh Supply all day and it's so good. It really takes me back to the 90's when I was secretly blasting away at this game on my dad's computer (rip dad). Such an awesome port, I wish all dev studios were this dedicated and faithful to source material.

>>	Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 03:50:31 No.5566394 >>5566389 0/10

>>	Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 03:59:05 No.5566408 >>5566389 This but unironically

>>	Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 04:38:57 No.5566451 no "Love you to death" in the trailer means IT FUCKING SUCKS

>>	Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 04:45:51 No.5566460 >>5563528 Barely. Don't get me wrong, he's miles ahead of GGGMan and Icarus, who are scrublords of the highest order, and I don't hate him, but Civvie is no expert or pro player by any means.

>>	Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 04:48:12 No.5566462 >only ever tried Blood in dosxbox which was annoying >port seems fine >OLD THING GOOD, NEW THING BAD

>>	Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 04:49:01 No.5566465 >>5566460 But he does a pro series an old FPS?!

>>	Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 04:51:05 No.5566469 >>5564295 >>5564315 Jesus, are you a petty and whiny nitpicker.

>>	Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 04:52:12 No.5566470 >>5562416 ROTT EX would be nice, that game doesn't even have a good sourceport.

>>	Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 04:53:18 No.5566472 >>5566469 Work harder Kaiser.

>>	Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 04:54:53 No.5566474 >>5566469 The explosions in Blood are one of the most important and satisfying thing in the game. So more like jesus, you have no standard.

Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 05:00:54 No.5566482
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>>5566465
>"pro" Doom
>gets to E2M9
>completely misses the very obvious gimmick of the level that you're supposed to make the barons of hell infight with the cacodemons
>then complains about having to whittle down all those cacodemons with just the shotgun and how long that took, and how the exit makes no sense
It's not even a very good level, but COME ON.

Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 05:01:50 No.5566484

>>5566451
>"Love you to death"
I wished they had used that in the trailer, instead it was what I can recall is the map finished theme to the Doom 2 mod-zBlood.
They should've done a little HD remake of the original trailer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7jJkiQO9oA

Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 05:08:01 No.5566485

>>5562647
I'm not even a purist, I want OpenGL rendering, unlimited colors, dynamic lights, modern mouse support, and support for analog sticks, but if the gameplay is wrong, it's wrong.

If I have free options which offer me something much better, why the hell should I pay money for an inferior product?

>>	Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 05:12:00 No.5566489 >>5566469 This is important. I want that circular gas mortar explosion back you fucker.

>>	Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 05:13:24 No.5566491 >>5566482 We all have our weak moments

Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 05:15:49 No.5566494

>>5566484
ZBlood used it for inbetween levels, but the track is originally from Blood, it plays at some point during the setup or when you do a sound test.

https://youtu.be/RPl3UpwX06c
Kind of a neat theme, nothing like the rest of the music in the game, and one wonders if the rest of the music would have been planned to be more like this earlier in its development.

>>	Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 05:16:52 No.5566496 >>5566469 >implying explosions aren't important

>>	Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 05:19:37 No.5566498 >>5562864 Yet it runs fine and has a good framerate.

>>	Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 05:20:40 No.5566502 >>5562880 I would, but the line to your mom's house goes around the block.

>>	Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 05:21:54 No.5566505 >>5566496 >we want the Michael Bay audience

>>	Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 05:23:07 No.5566507 >>5563294 >hitscan >:,( G I T U D

>>	Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 05:23:17 No.5566509 >>5566505 Oh fuck off wankstain

>>	Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 05:24:27 No.5566512 >>5566505 >I shouldn't have to make any effort in properly replicating core gameplay mechanics Kaiser, please.

>>	Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 05:30:02 No.5566517 >>5563686 >Kaiser desperately moving goalposts

>>	Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 05:33:20 No.5566519 >>5563869 >doesn't even try to address the arguments and instead nervously tries to deflect them I'm keeping my money.

>>	Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 05:35:28 No.5566524 >>5563686 FIX. YOUR. SHIT.

Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 05:39:51 No.5566529

>>5564062
>shill for a janky cash-in commercial product accusing fans of completely free fan ports made out of a love for the game of being shills
>s-stop using better and more authentic ports, p-please give me money for this port that doesn't work like it should at all
Fucking Megaton Edition was better than this.

>>	Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 05:41:37 No.5566530 >>5564062 >R-Russians Hillary, is that you?

>>	Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 05:46:32 No.5566532 File: 31 KB, 601x508, 2f7.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5564128 >>5564062 >>5564108

>>	Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 05:50:39 No.5566539 >>5564251 Even fucking ZBlood got the part with the different explosion graphics right. Where's my "Big X" explosion?

Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 06:00:40 No.5566546

>>5565363
He added crouch toggle? That's a blessing, I click my analog stick to crouch, and without a toggle that shit is unbearable (holding it at the same time as actually moving it is super awkward, just clicking to toggle it on and off repeatedly is smoother).

>>	Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 06:01:51 No.5566549 >>5565448 It was never a botnet.

Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 06:05:57 No.5566556

>>5565590
I agree.

>>5565596
I wonder if I can pester him to do a port of Rise Of The Triad in that case, because that game gets little love and WinRottGL is frankly a piece of shit.

Don't need anything fancy, just Win 10 support, better mouselook, and maybe some dynamic lights.
Gamepad support would be nice though.

>>	Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 10:06:22 No.5566908 Just figured out how to play MP without GoG or Steam. You can use "spawnipserver" and "connectip <ip>" in the console WITHOUT typing the port, Clients don't sync with the server for reasons unknown, even if I just connect to myself.though.

>>	Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 10:16:11 No.5566924 >>5566908 Tried it with anon yesterday, didn't work. Probably he didn't open the port.

>>	Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 10:16:50 No.5566927 >>5566924 Yeah this is bullshit. They should've made a better MP.

Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 10:24:23 No.5566941

>>5562647
The 2 factors I really like about this remaster - good mouse aiming and easy to play multiplayer. Otherwise, a lot of fun things just disappeared. Blood spilling, explosions, enemy AI and behavior - it's just worse now. But the multiplayer and mouse aiming is the vital factors for me.

>>	Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 10:28:33 No.5566952 >>5566941 Oh, and remember that feel when you blast a zombie at point blank range and he just flying across the map beheaded and painting half the level red? Now it never happens.

>>	Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 10:39:20 No.5566979 >>5566952 DUDE! They cut that out?!

>>	Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 11:08:30 No.5567027 >>5566507 yikes

>>	Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 11:16:38 No.5567041 >>5562624 Because I pay for my goods and services when possible because I’m not a Jew or a nigger

Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 11:55:37 No.5567108

>>5567027
Why are so many zoomers so proud of being bad at videogames?
Just learn how the game plays, don't get hit.

>>5567041
So you'll gladly pay money for a substantially inferior port, when there's two free hobbyist alternatives that are FAR superior, and which can be played legally with an original copy, or the previous GOG Blood package?

You may not be a 'jew', but you sure are a good little 'goyim'.

>>	Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 12:15:18 No.5567161 >>5567108 7 quid so a studio keeps old games alive and kicking. Yep. All that hyperbole... Jesus Christ you even TYPE fat.

>>	Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 12:16:19 No.5567163 >>5567108 The GoG version gives you one unit whole anyway you poor fuck

Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 12:42:54 No.5567227

>>5567161
I speak in no hyperbole.
Pay money for an inferior product, to encourage them to keep putting out inferior products? Is this "keeping old games alive"? Sorry, but you need to compete better in a free market, Kaiser.

NBlood and BloodGDX are the ones to put actual effort into "keeping Blood alive", because they actually bother to strive for authentic gameplay, and they do it at no cost, just because they love the game.
What Nightdive has here is a buggy and inaccurate hackjob.
Stop settling for less.

>>5567163
I already bought that several years ago, because even if it wasn't a proper port, it was a full game which had long since been out of distribution.
If they keep selling One Whole Unit, I'll gladly recommend it in the future, but I'll continue to advise against Fresh Blood until it improves.

>>	Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 12:47:17 No.5567238 >>5567163 Work harder on your port, lazy fuck.

>>	Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 12:48:06 No.5567240 >>5561728 Install DirectX9

Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 12:49:00 No.5567243

>>5567227
NBlood and BloodGDX are the ones to put actual effort into "keeping Blood alive", because they actually bother to strive for authentic gameplay

Interesting how they have zealots on both sides. Now why would that be if they were both “authentic”? You can justify being a nigger with a nigger mentality all you want, that’s all you fatty.

>I already bought
Course you did, Tyrone.

>>	Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 12:49:51 No.5567247 File: 201 KB, 675x868, 2019-05-11-134857_675x868_scrot.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] J U S T

>>	Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 12:49:58 No.5567248 >>5562703 FUCKING RAW

>>	Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 12:56:20 No.5567263 >>5563650 >No crossplay >Between two pc stores are the devs literal retards?

>>	Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 13:00:38 No.5567274 >>5567263 Which version is even good?

>>	Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 13:02:04 No.5567278 >>5562097 Did this faggot with a straight face claim that Blood, Shadow and Duke are from the same engine as Doom.

>>	Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 13:04:34 No.5567286 >>5567108 >Why are so many zoomers so proud of being bad at videogames? why are incels proud about not having sex?

>>	Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 13:11:37 No.5567305 >>5563245 Yeah, and how many of those idiots are using Windows 10.

>>	Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 13:19:39 No.5567321 >>5563951 >implying normies will want to play a game that has underage cheer leading girls talking about their nipples and working in brothels

>>	Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 13:26:19 No.5567338 >>5567321 huh? I said boomers would flock to the game.

>>	Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 13:28:45 No.5567343 >>5567338 My bad I'm half asleep right now and misread what you posted.

Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 13:35:03 No.5567365
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>>5567243
I sure did, scrublord.

>Now why would that be if they were both “authentic”?
Both are more authentic than Fresh Blood, whether spergs want to argue about Java or the colors not being 100% like the original isn't of my concern, both make a proper effort for authentic gameplay, and are damn close, as opposed to Kaiser making not even token effort towards authentic gameplay.

>>5567286
I've definitely had more than you have, snot-nose.
How's it feel that a big fat 'boomer' like me has gotten more tail? Don't worry, you'll learn how to talk to girls some day.

>>	Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 18:06:34 No.5568009 >>5560530 HOW IN THE FUCK do you shake off the severed hand things in Blood? I'm using BuildGDX if that makes a difference.

>>	Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 18:09:57 No.5568021 >>5568009 Mash your use key.

Anonymous Sat, May 11, 2019 19:30:51 No.5568164
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Is BloodKEX censored? Just tried tried exploding enemies using cheats and there's no fucking gibs, only blood that soon dissapears. On this screen it is BloodGDX and IT HAS GIBS. THESE ARE MISSING IN BLOODKEX!

>>	Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 01:26:54 No.5569040 DOES ANYONE HAVE AN EASY TO INSTALL AND FULL (i.e. with cinematics/music) VERSION OF BLOOD WITH THE GDX PORT? I'm too retarded to actually install it using DDoSBox. Do I just play Fresh Supply instead?

>>	Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 01:28:52 No.5569047 >>5569040 NO

>>	Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 01:39:41 No.5569065 File: 3.00 MB, 800x450, Quack.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5569047 OK YOU AND ANON SAY IT'S SHIT >>5561713 OK I NEED GDX COME ON I NEVER PLAYED THIS GAME I'M SO TIRED OF QUACK FUCKKKKKKK

>>	Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 02:19:37 No.5569119 >>5567365 >Is concerned as if his life depended on it that people might be used an official port of an old ass game instead of his obscure illegal Russian bootlegger port of choice >Not an incel

Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 02:45:40 No.5569152
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>>5569065
>>5569040
I FUCKING DID IT
CHECKMATE CULTITS, ATHEISTS AND REMASTERFAGS

I REPLACED ALL D:/MOVIES IN BLOOD.INI WITH . SO THEY ALL PLAY REGARDLESS OF INSTALL PATH SO IT'S PERFECTLY PORTABLE

I'M A FUCKING GENIUS

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1LhDM1P2HOkvYSei_O20ErhnmohrQ4NDn

>>	Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 04:09:55 No.5569219 >>5563923 and sucks

>>	Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 17:25:32 No.5570482 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkG29e-nE-A official

>>	Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 17:35:17 No.5570508 >>5570482 REMASTER SHILLS BTFO

>>	Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 17:39:21 No.5570515 File: 675 KB, 621x672, unseasoned.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5570482

>>	Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 17:39:28 No.5570516 >>5569152 Noice, the JRE-independent version i made for myself didn't run the cutscenes, did your .ini change and now they work.

>>	Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 18:06:26 No.5570563 >>5561325 sauce me

>>	Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 18:07:25 No.5570565 >>5569152 How the fuck do i get the music to work ? And the cutscenes audio isn't working.

>>	Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 18:08:27 No.5570567 >>5570565 Nevermind, i'm an idiot.

>>	Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 18:10:00 No.5570572 >>5570567 I'm also an idiot and that version uses BuildGDX by mistake Also mouse is yet to be fixed

>>	Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 18:24:01 No.5570597 >>5560530 This video is probably the best breakdown of the issues with Fresh Supply. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkG29e-nE-A

Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 18:40:06 No.5570635

I have an old pirated version without the cutscenes. I've got it running in BloodGDX. Everything works fine, but no cutscenes. I can (probably) get the files for the cutscenes (hopefully). Is there a way to get them working without having to reinstall shit? Like can I dump them in the folder and fuck with the configuration file and everything'll work fine? Or what?

>>	Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 18:42:19 No.5570638 >>5570635 Just download this >>5569152

>>	Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 19:45:39 No.5570786 >>5562220 Which is better

Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 19:46:58 No.5570796

>>5562016
French Meat and Bloody Pulp don't work for shit, apparently. Also, hoping we get a remaster for Death Wish. It's great without extra graphics, but it would be even better with more custom visuals to really sell late 20th century/early 21st century instead of slightly reskinned 1920s. Some levels looked better than others.

>>	Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 20:28:47 No.5570905 Beta 1.8.6 is up https://steamcommunity.com/app/1010750/discussions/0/1649918058737843575/

Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 22:07:46 No.5571107

>>5560530
Longtime Blood fan (and ultra-obscure non-celebrity youtube channel) Austin Adams is doing a series of videos to demonstrate the differences (mostly regarding the things that are either glitches, weird mistakes, or just outright laziness) between Blood in its original form and the remaster ("Fresh Supply"). His first part is out and I would highly recommend watching this if you are interested in seeing the issues currently with the remaster, as his video is extremely well done. No pun intended.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVzT6NSXpek

>>	Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 23:30:04 No.5571268 god I wish there was a gz like source port for blood, it's like doom2 variety and complexity turned up to 11 blood modding and map packs would be cool as fuck

Anonymous Mon, May 13, 2019 01:12:16 No.5571448

>>5571268
The closest for the Build engine is Eduke32, of which Nblood is a branch of. The issue is that while the Build engine is much more advanced than the Doom engine, and theoretically, has far more potential, the thing is that it's far more complex, it takes deeper knowledge, dedication and most of all, time to mod on Build in comparison to modding on Doom. Not only that, Build is not as stable as Doom, making things even more difficult than they should be, as Carmack once said, it's an engine that "runs on duct tape" (granted, he was butthurt that a single teenager genius created an engine more advanced than the whole team of professionals at Id, in roughly the same timeframe) but still, there is a bit of truth on his words.

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 13, 2019 01:19:22 No.5571470 >>5563509 that guys an idiot. it doesn't use the source. they're recreating it from scratch. why was it released early though? obviously it needs a bit more bake time?

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 13, 2019 01:24:17 No.5571481 >>5570786 They're pretty similar, just choose for yourself. I prefer GDX because it's much easier to load mods/usermaps. Some people prefer NBlood because it has more accurate colors, but I'm colorblind so that doesn't really matter.

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 13, 2019 01:27:52 No.5571489 >>5571481 Nblood has superior mouselook too. But in that regard, the remaster is the best.

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 13, 2019 07:17:02 No.5571895 >>5570905 Thanks, just as I expected, they're actually gonna patch the game.

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 13, 2019 13:54:06 No.5572557 >>5566394 Hey, retard. Even going le 0/10 u didn't bait me lmao BULLSHIT still gives these idiots what they want. Fucking stop.

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 13, 2019 14:12:17 No.5572602 >>5572557 2/10

Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 00:20:05 No.5573660

>>5566460
He isn't amazing at the games, but at least he is capable of holding a conversation with people who adore these games, and has played and continues to play them often. That he isn't a complete phony is apparent from watching him play.

ggman is just some pseudo-boomer who pretends he knows anything about retro FPS games for street cred while in reality he just plays them once on medium difficulty once every five years

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 00:26:18 No.5573669 >>5566482 >unironically defending Fortress of Mystery This shitpost wasn't funny in 1999 and it isn't now either.

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 03:30:02 No.5573873 Brutal Blood when

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 03:34:09 No.5573878 File: 78 KB, 340x314, 1484628963303.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5562097 https://youtu.be/EkG29e-nE-A someone get this zoomer outta here

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 03:36:57 No.5573882 >>5566546 >playing shooters with a controller Please leave.

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 05:35:42 No.5573975 >>5564251 this and the floating blood drops really are detracting from the fun is this shit gonna be fixed soon or should i just get a refund

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 05:42:31 No.5573982 >>5562197 I don't think you realize that people didn't use a mouse to play DOOM 1 back in the days mate

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 06:52:37 No.5574059 >>5571470 Ion maiden is round the corner, that's why they dusted off blood and gave it a shit remaster. Get that build money

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 07:07:37 No.5574074 >>5564169 >>5565791 Jace Hall said he'd release it if he knew he wouldn't be sued into the ground. He tried to five or so years ago but Atari shut him down.

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 09:37:29 No.5574278 File: 1.02 MB, 1200x1080, 1554907068551.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >buy FS >use GDX on it anyway

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 09:39:14 No.5574280 >>5566482 he actually addresses the making enemies fight each other in the doom 2 video and why he doesn't do it. which is basically just him saying that he feels like it's not worth the effort most of the time.

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 09:45:37 No.5574284 File: 23 KB, 116x178, doom_bullshit.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5560530 This port sucks the eleven herbs from a KFC bucket. I refunded it after 45 minutes. I will never listen to that Aussie cunt again.

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 10:02:52 No.5574309 >>5574280 Infighting is such a fun thing, I wish more FPS had it. Of course it has to be logical. There is no reason for a squad of soldiers to fight each other.

Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 10:06:00 No.5574320

>>5566482
I hate his "pro" stuff, more like pro bullshit.

However he's right on this.
A map shouldn't be solely based on infighting, that's just really really dumb to try and force the player to play in the "one obscure and unfun way the designer intended" when at the same time there are other, more natural ways, to do it.

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 10:20:40 No.5574358 File: 338 KB, 948x1200, 1557067149639.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5560530 Did GMan give out a false review? And if so, why? >Did someone pay him to say Whole Unit was perfect and ready to go?

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 10:23:08 No.5574364 >>5574358 >why He's a dum-dum, that's why

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 10:24:19 No.5574368 >>5574320 I like them. I watch them because they're informative and I really enjoy hearing that kind of commentary. In fact I just subscribed to him a few days ago because of his Pro Series.

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 10:32:41 No.5574384 >>5574358 >Did someone pay him to say Whole Unit was perfect and ready to go? More like entire business based on free review copies give aways and ads revenue. It's not directly the publishers paying him, but it has a similar effect.

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 11:10:57 No.5574450 >>5562601 how do you handle pipebombs and dynamite?

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 13:06:04 No.5574692 >>5563286 >never gets a stable release with proper changelogs even graf is better about this

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 13:11:58 No.5574708 >>5574384 This is what I'm inclined to believe. Worse review means less early copies means less people are likely to watch his channel for a "first look" means less money.

Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 13:21:26 No.5574730
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>>5573669
I never said Fortress Of Mystery was good, because it really isn't (and I'm kind of puzzled that Sandy is so proud of it, because he did way better levels in just that episode alone, such as E2M6). It does however have a concept to it, which is very simple and very obvious:
>you start immediately surrounded in a cramped room, by a bunch of Rocks (Barons), which is supposed to make you run for the other room
>in the other room, you run into A Hard Place (Cacos)
>the exit isn't obvious, and you need to wait for the doors to open and grab all the keys in succession, this takes time, and this is an obvious stalling tactic forcing you to deal with the threat barreling towards your ass
>the fastest and easiest way to handle the level is to make the Rocks start a fight with The Hard Place, and let them do the job for you

>>5574280
Which is fair (and I think his video on Doom 2 is actually much better than the one on Doom or Thy Flesh Consumed), but mind that E2M9 isn't just a normal map where there's a setup for an infight thrown in just for kicks, the infight IS the entire level, it's pretty much a proof of concept map.

In this case, actually manually fighting all the demons is the slower way to play the map.

>>5574309
True. To me, it's one of Doom's strong points of charm, managing to set off a big brundlefuck infight is still very satisfying to me 20 years later.

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 13:52:32 No.5574823 Would have hurt them to make some sort of new optional lighting like they did for Duke Nukem? What a disappointment, GDX has better fucking HUD options than this shit.

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 14:11:58 No.5574868 >>5574823 the new "minimal" hud in bloodkek is ugly and asymmetric too

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 14:13:45 No.5574875 >>5574868 They are patching it it seems. But Blood deserved more. Rage 2 is so fucking bland and boring, even with all that amazing assets and design it just makes me go back to when games had personality even the shit ones.

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 14:17:28 No.5574881 >>5574875 >But Blood deserved more. You have NBlood and GDX now and they're not going anywhere and they'll only improve more with time, don't know why you're lamenting this Tbh.

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 14:18:26 No.5574886 >>5574881 I dont know I expected something better.

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 14:35:36 No.5574928 >>5574823 The guy behind GDX said he will try to add some features like dynamic lighting

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 14:36:13 No.5574931 >>5574886 dont wry bb

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 14:39:14 No.5574938 >>5574928 Can you had those new 3d voxels to gdx? I never modded blood. Just recently played gdx, and now the remake.

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 14:43:41 No.5574949 >>5574931 Even the save game screenshots dont work.

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 14:51:22 No.5574969 File: 206 KB, 550x811, white-tiger-hug.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5574949 its ok anon

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 18:50:19 No.5575631 File: 57 KB, 300x184, 1544255826970.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] someone needs to make a hellsing mod for blood

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 19:38:37 No.5575771 File: 349 KB, 1366x764, why.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] why is my game fucked

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 19:39:20 No.5575775 >>5575771 update drivers

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 19:45:32 No.5575792 File: 1.78 MB, 540x304, 1531951241932.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5575771

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 19:46:16 No.5575794 >>5575775 didn't work

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 19:47:06 No.5575796 Fresh Supply 1.8.8 update is out

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 19:55:19 No.5575807 >>5575796 Where?

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 19:58:16 No.5575813 >>5575807 It was pushed out on steam at least.

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 20:03:56 No.5575820 >>5575771 see >>5572148 Don't you feel the need to have the latest in overpriced video hardware to play a 1997 game? Come on, anon. I thought you knew better than this.

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 20:05:51 No.5575824 >>5575820 well any cpus with those graphics could easily run the game in dosbox

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 20:06:05 No.5575826 >>5575820 Its fucked up. Thief and Doom aged gracefully in comparison.

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 20:13:11 No.5575842 IT'S FIXED. https://steamcommunity.com/games/1010750/announcements/detail/1620645290559247391

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 20:14:54 No.5575846 >>5575842 Its only on steam right?

Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 20:25:30 No.5575864

>>5575826
Doom was a simpler game on a technical level, and Carmack gave people the sourcecode to do whatever they wanted with in 1997 (and *boy* have people done whatever they wanted with it).
Blood meanwhile is more complex, and barring the leaked Alpha code (which would be illegal to use), nobody has really gotten a good look at the source code.

It's a matter of circumstance, as well as Carmack being very ideologically driven on points like these. Software patents don't help, either.

Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 20:27:52 No.5575875

>>5575864
Shame cause Duke looks great with the lighting touches they did.

I think Blood would really benefit form something like this. Because fuck we are not getting another game like Blood again, or the 90s strange game for that matter.

Remade today Blood would probably be worse than Thief 2014.

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 20:29:38 No.5575883 >>5575864 shame, blood has so many tools and enemy and variety it'd be kick ass to see the modding community take off like doom 2 did

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 20:29:49 No.5575884 >>5575842 Gdx and nblood fans btfo Suck it civ11 and everyone else who said this port sucked

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 20:30:55 No.5575887 >>5575875 haven't fans been asking for duke 3d source code since like forever and 3d realms have been total dicks about it?

Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 20:41:26 No.5575907

>>5575875
>>5575883
Wouldn't it be great?
Imagine mods for Blood of the caliber of Hideous Destructor or Action Doom 2, or even just sprawling community map packs of various exotic themes and with all sort of interesting gimmicks.
I'm not sure it would be the same flow and output as Doom's community, but the sourcecode would make things so much easier, someone who really wanted to make an elaborate gameplay mod would have an easier time for sure.

>>5575887
https://github.com/videogamepreservation/dukenukem3d
Ken Silverman released it like 6 years ago.

I think one of the hurdles for games like these is that making maps for Build is much more complex than for Doom.
A lot of what has kept Doom alive is that mapping is really easy to get started with, because vanilla Doom levels really don't have that much complexity to them (the well rounded bestiary helps a lot too).

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 20:45:04 No.5575915 >>5575884 civvie BTFO GGGMAN REDEEMED

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 20:52:15 No.5575927 AEHM FUCK GGGMAN AND FUCK CIVVIE

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 20:54:17 No.5575932 >>5575842 It's nice to see them working on it, but did they fix everything? What about the weird cultist behavior? What about the hitboxes being too small?

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 20:59:57 No.5575942 >>5575842 FUCKING BOUGHT! FUCK YOU HATERS HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA /vr/ BTFO

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 21:00:31 No.5575947 >>5575883 Well Fresh Supply does seem to be extensively moddable. The issue is most of the hardcore Blood community aren't really interested in the port, so who knows if any notable mods will come out of it.

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 21:23:48 No.5575987 >>5575842 >Removed the morphing animation for gargoyle statues Why? It's a cool effect and doesn't hurt the game at all.

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 21:34:37 No.5576012 >>5575907 >6 years ago >Duke Nukem 3D (v1.5 CD Version) Source Code Release - April 1, 2003

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 21:36:09 No.5576020 >>5575987 because of autists like civvie and the people that post in this thread sending complaints/death threats to night dive

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 21:38:34 No.5576034 File: 260 KB, 588x1370, Screenshot_2019-05-14.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5576020 It's like crying over this.

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 21:39:50 No.5576037 >>5576034 You know Marphy does that as ironic shitposts, right?

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 21:44:17 No.5576046 >>5576037 Not familiar with him, but not like there aren't those who would get their panties in a bunch over something like that.

Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 21:49:55 No.5576068

>>5576046
He was the lead dev of Postal 2, and he has a YouTube channel where he details all kinds of Half-Life minutiae, and occasionally some other games.

>>5575915
GGman thought it was excellent on start, which it wasn't, Civvie said "Don't buy it *yet*, wait for patches."

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 22:53:57 No.5576237 >>5561319 civvie was not too impressed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkG29e-nE-A

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 23:06:50 No.5576250 >>5576237 Literally all that shit got fixed already. No need to waste time with inaccurate clones like nblood or gdx when you have a fully working 100% accuratr port that uses the ACTUAL SOURCE for $10. $5 if you already owned blood.

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 23:10:33 No.5576256 File: 34 KB, 817x443, 1514208857374.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5576250

Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 23:13:49 No.5576260

why are civvie fans going around and just shitposting and spewing his bullshit? there's a thread on /v/ now about the patch and there are literally people in there posting reviews from before the patch stating "this shit is broken" and when told "no they fixed those, look at the patch notes" they get mad and accuse people of being part of the dev team..

wtf is their problem?

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 23:21:00 No.5576272 >>5576256 Is $5 too expensive for you. Go get a job, eve, at the shittiest lowest paying job its only 30 minutes of work.

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 14, 2019 23:25:38 No.5576274 >>5576260 well wouldn't people on the dev team tell people to read the patch notes?

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 15, 2019 00:04:11 No.5576332 >>5575907 >Ken Silverman >6 years ago You dumb bitch.

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 15, 2019 00:06:19 No.5576337 >>5576260 Either people are going IT'S SHIT or GIVE YOUR FUCKING MONEY TO KAISER There is no inbetween, so fuck off with your accusations.

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 15, 2019 00:13:46 No.5576343 >>5575947 what can you do with it?

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 15, 2019 00:15:09 No.5576350 >>5575907 so duke 3d has real mods like doom now?

Anonymous Wed, May 15, 2019 00:21:24 No.5576361

>>5576350
Duke3D has had mods for literal decades you motherfucker. Source code for build was released before the turn of the century and Duke3D's was released in 2003 and a dozens of source ports and mods have appeared since then. The most known are Duke Plus, War of Attrition, WGREALMS 2, DNF 2013, Duke Hard, EDF, AMC TC, and I guess some others I can't be assed to remember now. There's also tons of maps, as you would expect.

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 15, 2019 01:07:30 No.5576470 Holy fucking shit, Death Wish is terrible. Are you people memeing about it being the best thing about Blood? Its so bad.

Anonymous Wed, May 15, 2019 01:24:19 No.5576509

>>5576260
>>5576260
People were hyped for "THE Source port", a definitive version.
They ended up with recreation that is basically BloodCM but higher quality because its commercial.
Sure, Kaiser would patch shit up and make stuff closer to how it should be, but it's not an actual source port, just an empyrical recreation on a different engine.
Also if you look closer to the patchnotes it mentiones how certain things related to each other and it shows that work differently under the hood than in original - like gibs scaling off against some physical functions and ticrate instead of how it was in the original.
Even if Kaiser tweaks it, it still won't be quite the same.

People who do not care for authenticity praise it - because they do not care.
They are the same kind of people who wouldn't care for emulator accuracy even if they miss some special effects and that one part of a secret special stage is uncompletable because of emulation glitch. But hey, the game works!

People who care for authenticity rage because they were promised authentic experience and were duped.

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 15, 2019 01:27:47 No.5576518 >>5576509 how the hell could it be a source port if they don't have the source?

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 15, 2019 01:32:51 No.5576532 >>5576518 exactly my point >People were hyped for "THE Source port" >They ended up with recreation

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 15, 2019 01:34:40 No.5576539 >>5576532 huh? didn't the dude reverse engineer all the other ones? why would this be different?

Anonymous Wed, May 15, 2019 01:46:55 No.5576552

>>5576518
Well, duh. Everyone thought that Nightdive somehow got the source. Turns out they didn't.

>>5576539
GDX dude reverse engineered Blood execuables, by using stolen Alpha source as a base and cross reference it with disassembled exes to see how the code was changed, and then wrote the changes on top of Alpha code.

NBlood took that method and applied it to eDuke engine instead of Java. It has some problems because eDuke slightly differs from Blood, this is rectified by some rewrites of the code, but not entirely. Visually looks better though.

Kaiser could not use Alpha code or anything derived from it, even for cross-reference, because that would make him implicit in stealing intellectual property from WB. While WB is unlikely to go for the individual modders, going after a company like Nightdive that makes commercial product is a definite possibility.
So Kaiser ends up with direct disassembly of the original executable, which is much more complicated to get exact functions from.
Also the engine all this shit works on is entirely different from Build so all the code has to be adapted, and nothing is going to work in exact same way, which is what most people have problem with.

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 15, 2019 02:09:15 No.5576584 >>5576068 >He was the lead dev of Postal 2 no way really!?

Anonymous Wed, May 15, 2019 02:13:46 No.5576592

>>5576539
GDX and NBlood were reverse engineered through illegal means -- means that would be illegal for Night Dive to use, since apparently Warner Bros (not Atari) hold the rights to Blood's source code. Night Dive can't risk doing something like that for a commercial product as they can get sued for it. It's also just bad company etiquette in itself. Laws in Russia for this kind of shit are pretty chill or authorities just don't care, especially when the offenders are small-scale nerds doing it for free for their passion projects, so heroes like M210 and NukeYKT are safe. Maybe if Warner Bros made enough noise something could happen, but what fuck does a multibillion dollar company give for something like this? There's no real profit to be made for them to sue those two guys.

GDX/NBlood both used the leaked alpha source as a reference point to disassemble 1.0. Even if they didn't use the leaked alpha, disassembly of 1.0 is illegal in itself. This is why BloodKEK can never match the accuracy of those two ports because the gameplay was merely estimated empirically, and very badly/lazily at that. It was also clearly a rush-job, seeing as the thing is bugged out the fucking ass. In its current form it should have been an early access release at best.

Kaiser also admitted on /vr/ some time back that just using the KEK engine alone would result in inherent differences between his port and real Blood, no matter how accurate he tried to make it. He could have still done a much better job of accuracy though as we're not anywhere near the stage where the engine is the limiting factor. It's honestly a really bad "port" to say the very least.

Anonymous Wed, May 15, 2019 02:19:47 No.5576598

>>5576592
>disassembly of 1.0 is illegal in itself

Disassembly of 1.21 isn't? Pretty sure Kaiser mentions that he left some 1.0 behaviors there in the patch notes that he converted to 1.21, and since he has outright told he disassembled the game to rebuild the logic, doesn't this mean he also got it out of 1.0 and made the necessary adjustments (badly)?

Also, while it is illegal to look at copyrighted source code, Nuked and M210 did it, not Kaiser. Their code does not likely resemble that one from the alpha and was mostly rewritten for clarity/efficiency or for better adapting to the new language. Is looking at open-source code illegal?

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 15, 2019 02:20:20 No.5576601 File: 10 KB, 655x85, fffffffff.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5576592

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 15, 2019 02:22:39 No.5576607 File: 82 KB, 331x251, 1524775378188.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5576601

Anonymous Wed, May 15, 2019 02:26:58 No.5576615

>>5576598
>Disassembly of 1.21 isn't?
No that's illegal, too.

>Is looking at open-source code illegal?
Idk if that's technically illegal, maybe it is maybe it isn't (how can you prove someone did or didn't?), but you sure as hell can't reproduce it without rights.

>>5576601
He can say what he wants, all I know is this shit sure af isn't Blood no matter what he did. inb4 more obvious "trolls".

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 15, 2019 03:04:49 No.5576668 Hey does it feel to anyone else that in gdx you can move very fast, but in nblood Caleb has a lot more weight to him when zigzagging around?

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 15, 2019 09:28:12 No.5577085 >>5576250 Ex does not use the source.

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 15, 2019 10:00:04 No.5577123 >>5576552 >>5576592 i mean didn't the kasier dude reverse engineer the other ports he did like doom 64 ex?

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 15, 2019 10:01:06 No.5577126 >>5577123 *meant

Anonymous Wed, May 15, 2019 10:06:38 No.5577132

>>5577123
Doom64 is a much simpler game with way less intricacy involved, and all the necessary instructions can easily be pulled out from the emulator.
Also there were no ports of Doom64, Turok, Forsaken and Powerslave to compare to, so having no alternatives people cared less about the inaccuracies, and even then Powerslave's jump and grenades are wonkier than they should be.

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 15, 2019 10:11:39 No.5577141 >>5577132 then why did people think the blood port was going to be a source port?

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 15, 2019 10:16:44 No.5577143 >>5577141 IIRC Nightdive heavily implied they have access to original source, which would make KEX port as accurate as it could be. Turns out they didn't. And Blood KEX turned into Blood Kek

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 15, 2019 11:18:24 No.5577217 Why not treat BloodKEX like GZDoom? It’s not 100% accurate like Chocolate Doom but it’s close enough for most people to use

Anonymous Wed, May 15, 2019 11:52:27 No.5577301

>>5577217
Because unlike GZDoom it offers no advantages over other ports? GZDoom has moddability as a plus, that's why it is used despite all its minuses

BloodEx has nothing over other ports, it is strictly worse.
It's like DoomRetro compared to Chocolate

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 15, 2019 12:47:23 No.5577434 >Add support for private and friend lobbies Any images of this please?

Anonymous Wed, May 15, 2019 13:41:37 No.5577590

>>5577217
I would, if they made the base gameplay behavior closer. The hitboxes are still too small, for instance.

Like I can deal with if the trajectories or behaviors of some small details are like 10% off, but I want the gameplay to be as intact as they can make it.
I figure that maybe this could happen with patches, but for now I'm still not sold.

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 15, 2019 13:42:48 No.5577594 >>5577590 It may be borked but I am loving fresh supply. I didn't get to play much blood back in the day sadly. Just a bit of the shareware. Is the game as different as people say here? I am already near the end of the first episode. Fun as fuck.

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 15, 2019 13:43:26 No.5577596 can someone send a download link of the most latest version 1.8.8?

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 15, 2019 13:54:49 No.5577636 >>5577594 I know what you mean, it's still fun as hell. ZBlood was my first exposure, many many years ago, and it's SO off, but it was still pretty damn fun. The real stuff was all the more fun, however.

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 15, 2019 14:13:51 No.5577678 >>5577636 Its seems more fluid but there is something off comparing to gdx or nblood, I experimented this afternoon. Some really ugly blood floating bug in kex but I dont know if the original had this. It does not seem to.

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 15, 2019 14:14:08 No.5577681 this game is fucking impossible even on lightly broiled these fucking aimbot cultists can take 20 hp off from across the map before I even see them.. shit game

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 15, 2019 14:16:11 No.5577687 >>5577681 They are the thing I hate most about blood as well. But its manageable in lightly broiled once you get out of the first parts of the game. I just crouch a lot and shotgun tommy gun them to death while going out of cover.

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 15, 2019 14:31:38 No.5577736 >>5576668 You are right. Weird.

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 15, 2019 14:32:20 No.5577739 >>5577681 Chess is fucking impossible, this crazy dude goes all diagonal gangbang on me while I'm forced to only more 1 square ahead at a time shit game yes, that's what you sound like. You need to learn the game mechanics

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 15, 2019 14:38:16 No.5577760 File: 2.98 MB, 640x480, blood 1997.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5577681

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 15, 2019 15:50:46 No.5577963 >>5577681 get fucking good

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 15, 2019 17:12:27 No.5578150 >>5560530 Is it advisable to dump Death Wish into the same folder as the rest of the Blood files or should it be in its own subfolder?

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 15, 2019 17:13:28 No.5578153 >>5560530 >>5571107 MORE BUGS AS REPORTED BY THE SAME DUDE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGUAUdCkPTU THIS IS FOR THE NEWEST UPDATE.

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 15, 2019 17:49:53 No.5578264 >>5578153 Different dude. But yeah.

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 15, 2019 17:54:10 No.5578279 >>5578150 What port? If you're using GDX, yeah, if Fresh Supply, go into the addons folder and then make a Death Wish folder in there and dump it there. Can't help you for any other ports cause I ain't tried 'em

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