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5543719 No.5543719 [Reply] [Original]

How comes that 90's European gaming was so tasteful, sophisticated, as compared the the crude and tasteless american counterpart? I mean look at it. It is hideous.

>> No.5543724
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5543724

@5543719
>britbongs actually believe they have taste
Sorry your games were butchered for the inferior PAL format btw.

>> No.5543743

>>5543724
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm31QxID_Ds

I know right?

>> No.5543753

Japan and Europe didn't get to experience the objective superiority of concave Y and X buttons, what a pity.

>> No.5543770

>>5543719
The NTSC Snes is way more visually appealing than the Super Famicom. They freaking redesigned an entire console's exterior for our market for a second time. And I still like it over their original Japanese designs. It's just unfortunate that the front loading NES had those contact issues.

>> No.5543831

>Europe
>y'mean 50 Hz PAL peasants?

American and Japanese games all the way.

>> No.5543937

>>5543719
The american SNES is designed so you can't sit a drink on it, there are too many uneven surfaces. People were doing that and spilling on the console, breaking it.

>> No.5544403

>>5543937
>>People were doing that and spilling on the console

I think we all can agree to that Europeans were too smart for that then.

>> No.5544408
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5544408

>not realizing both models are aesthetic in their own way
>not owning both 60hz systems
Come on OP.

>> No.5544409

>>5543719
huh? do you have any idea how badly fucked PAL fags had it? Slowed down TVs lmao? do you even understand how shitty it was to grow up anywhere in europe pre 2008?

>> No.5544416

>>5543937
I've heard this pasta many times but I promise I could sit a dozen different styles of drink container/bottle/can on the snes with a game in it. Do you have a source for this pasta? I've heard it many times but it sounds like complete bullshit. If it's true then Nintendo failed at the design because you can sit all sorts of drinks on it without problem.

>> No.5544429

>>5543719
17% slower. I'd imagine the average yuro is 17% dumber and slower than the average burger or glorious nipponese.

Imagine actually bragging about your shitty slow motion "gaming" scene. It's like bragging to the other kids in special ed about how cool you are.

>> No.5544432

Is this what counts as a real thread on /vr/?
Why the fuck did this even get any replies?

>> No.5544447

>>5544432
mods doing a half assed job, honestly

>> No.5544524
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5544524

>>5543724
>Feebly attempts to shit on U.K. box art
>Retardedly uses budget title as example

This is what we were actually used to. Art by some of the top comic book pencilers in the world, I mean. Oh, and your faggoty country wouldn't dare put out a game with box art that has the degree of violence depicted here.

>> No.5544579

>>5543937
>>5544416
It's from Nintendo Power or some other magazine as an explanation from the designer, I remember reading it back then too. But it doesn't hold up because the rear is flat, flatter than an SFC. I always thought that was weird of them to say in light of that.

>> No.5544691

Is there a list of PAL optimized snes games?

>> No.5544990

>>5544579
I'd guess you could set a 6 pack on there to be honest.

>> No.5545006

>>5543719
>How comes that 90's European gaming
Nah, you just had a better SNES design, you melodramatic shithead.

>> No.5546548

>>5543719
>50hz
>silky smooth 25 FPS with frame juddering
>thick borders due to retarded PAL standards
>glorious squashed grafix thanks to retarded screen ratios
>constantly being denied games because lol Yurop
>Germany's entire existence
>can't even take full advantage of RGB thanks to retarded standards
>even with modern consoles, still constantly get denied physical copies of games because no one STILL gives a fuck about yurop

PAL, not even once.

>> No.5546551

>>5544447
They'll delete actual threads about gameplay but leave shit like this up.

>> No.5546552

>>5543719
I don't know, but I agree that my American version is ugly and it's not even yellowed.

>> No.5546557

>>5543719
>Europe thread
>the OP is already shitposting
>mods are cool with it
checks out

>> No.5546560

>>5543719
gud bait
jap/eu snes design is abyssmally inferior and infantile, the US got the edge and more stylish joypad
t. european

>> No.5546562

>>5544524
>changes Ninja Turtles to Hero Turtles to sound less violent

>> No.5546565

European game design and aesthetics feel like a rougher, less polished take on Japanese game design. American game design is pretty different and tends to concentrate more on modeling reality.

>> No.5546663

>>5546562
...And the soft little faggy burger still hasn't changed; he STILL has to contend with censored art, while the big grown-up bong has moved on with being coddled...

If we're going to fight over who has the most freak-outs in McDonald's over the most innocuous of things, etc., then we both know who is going to win that battle...

>> No.5548449

>>5543770
>The NTSC Snes is way more visually appealing than the Super Famicom.
Burgers have such shit taste lmao.

>> No.5548454

>>5543937
>The american SNES is designed so you can't sit a drink on it
>the american SNES is designed for fat people
Top kek
You cannot make this shit up

>> No.5548481 [DELETED] 

Is there any good bridge adapter so I can play US games on my Super Famicom without having to open the cartridge? Preferably one that works with all the enhancement chips.

>> No.5548495

>>5543753
>objective superiority of concave Y and X buttons
As someone who had both PAL and NTSC SNES, I have to agree. Even as a kid I noticed how it just felt better.

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5548515

>>5548454

>> No.5550712

>>5546560
>purple buttons
>stylish

>> No.5550737

The American version looked better imo (more colorful). Also, kind of unrelated but does anyone else hate it when British youtubers pronounce SNES as "SNEZ"? Or "NEZ" for NES.

>> No.5550741

Posted in the thread about Sega Europe, but seems we got more defensive eurofags here that might be able to answer:

Besides britbongs, what were some actual good retro game devs from the Europe?

Would also be interested if OP listed his country and games from there since he is trying to compare a continent full of countries to simple the USA.

>> No.5550758 [DELETED] 

>>5550737
>The American version looked better imo (more colorful)
>big purple buttons = more colourful

Do you even know what a burger SNES looks like?

>...but does anyone else hate it when British youtubers pronounce SNES as "SNEZ"? Or "NEZ" for NES.

...but does anyone else hate it when Burger YouTubers pronounce SNES as "ess enn ee ess", or NES as "enn ee ess"?

>> No.5550780

>>5550737
>The American version looked better imo (more colorful)
>big purple buttons = more colourful

Do you even know what a burger SNES looks like?

>...but does anyone else hate it when British youtubers pronounce SNES as "SNEZ"? Or "NEZ" for NES.

...but does anyone else hate it when Burger YouTubers pronounce SNES as "ess enn ee ess", or NES as "enn ee ess"?

GIF - "gee eye eff"
MPEG - "emm pee ee gee"
DOS - "dee oh ess"

-you.

>> No.5550824

>>5543719
>PAL region games
>anything but crude dogshit

>> No.5550828

>>5548454
You actually can make it up, because it was made up

>> No.5550875

>>5550824
This is sad, infantile, and smacks of desperation. The OP was referring to console aesthetics and game devs. Argue those things, or fuck off, you little bib-wearing dweeb faggot.

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5550886

>>5543719
>The only thing that matters to Europoors is a plastic shell.

>> No.5550892

>>5550780
"Snezz"
-you

It's pronounced "Snes". You know, with an "s" at the end like how it's spelled.
Faggot.

>> No.5550895

>>5550892
You're a faggot too.
Super NES
Super Nintendo

Those are the only two acceptable things to call the system. Saying "sness" makes you sound like a chestslapper.

>> No.5550898

>>5550886
>The only thing that matters to Europoors is a plastic shell.
>conveniently ignores all burger posts praising burger SNES design in thread.

Heh. You're such a faggot.

>> No.5550914 [DELETED] 

>>5550892
No one has ever pronounced it that way. Ever.

Super faggot.

And I actually tend to call the machine a "Super Nintendo" - because that is what it is.

Ultra faggot.

>> No.5550918

>>5550898
It doesn't invalidate my point. it's the same system (with the inferior PAL format) with the same games for the for the most part. So OP's only argument for gaming on their side of the pond being "better" is a plastic shell.

>> No.5550927

>>5550892
The number of people who pronounce it that way, you could count on one hand. What a fucking try-hard.

Super faggot.

And I actually tend to call the machine a "Super Nintendo" - because that is what it is.

Ultra faggot.

>> No.5550952

>>5550918
For crying out fucking loud...

Read what the OP said again. The OP is basically making the arguement that Eurofag devs were better than Burger devs. Now YOU make the arguement why that isn't true. You'll be the first to try, because, y'know, all your Burgerkin in this thread are so bright, an' all...

As for superior Super Nintendo console aesthetics? We won. Get over it.

>> No.5550954

>this thread is still around
>anger anger anger
>over nothing
lol, video games

>> No.5551000

>>5550952
>The OP is basically making the arguement that Eurofag devs were better than Burger devs
That's because the OP is a troll who thinks Monty Mole and Dizzy are better games than Mega Man, Gradius, and Zelda.

>> No.5551017 [DELETED] 

>>5551000
>Mega Man, Gradius, and Zelda.
>Burger developed games...

And the retardation goes on...

>> No.5551036

>>5546663
I can’t take you seriously knowing some skinnyfat fish and chip eating scouser is behind the screen. Quit the PALet cope and go back to getting stabbed at a “footy” game.

>> No.5551039

>>5551000
>Mega Man, Gradius, and Zelda.
>Burger developed games...

And the retardation continues...

>> No.5551041

>>5546548
Notice how none of them reply to your posts. Remember, these are the same people that get off to shit eating porn and stab each other over football jerseys.

>> No.5551050

>>5551017
>>5551039
What was the point of that?

>> No.5551051

>>5551041
That's because it is irrelevant to the conversation. OP made reference to quality of game developers/console aesthetics - and nothing else. You are deflecting. AGAIN.

Fucking Burger faggots. You're all so hilariously stupid.

>> No.5551052

If you want American stuff, there's all of Sierra and LucasArts and Origin and Microprose and EA and more.

>> No.5551056

>>5550918
It's 50hz that's inferior, not PAL
learn the difference

>> No.5551112

>>5551051
>thread is about Euro vs America in /vr/
>not related
wew what a retard
inb4
>b-but we're talking about design

>> No.5551134

>>5551112
>b-but we're talking about (GAME) design

Which is entirely the argument, you fucking imbecile. LEARN TO READ, YOU AMERICUNT SPASTIC.

>> No.5551137

>>5551052
Thank you. No - thank FUCK for you. Someone who isn't a complete mongoloid.

>> No.5551220

>>5544691
>Is there a list of PAL optimized snes games?
>Implying like /vr/ cares more than as an excuse to call people faggots and shit on their childhood.

>> No.5551267

>>5551134
Woah look at this moutfoaming capslock cool kid. Yes, we're talking about game performance and how PAL completely castrated eurodoughy boys from playing their games to their full potential. Meanwhile, you're saying how the plastic shell on a console is prettier. Cope levels are off the charts.

>> No.5551303

>>5551267
Once again, you clueless piece of shit:

OP made no mention of console performance.
OP is arguing that Eurofag devs were better than burger devs.
Everything else is irrelevant to the argument, because no other argument (other than console aesthetics) by the OP was made.

Is this so difficult to grasp, burger faggot?

"..capslock cool kid.."

That's called frustration. Because I'm talking to retards. Retards like you.

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5551315

>>5546663
Your country is a joke

>> No.5551327

>>5551315
SJW faggotry is a U.S. import. If it wasn't for the burger fags, people like those in the jpg wouldn't exist. You're the ones who fucked Europe. You're the ones who planted the seeds. You're the most faggy country on the planet.

>> No.5551343

jap games are for brainlets.

>> No.5551549

>>5551327
Oh are the massive amounts of Saudis, Indians, and Nigerians flooding your country a US import too? Do you even have the proper license to be posting online, bong?

>> No.5551561

Triniton technologie was invented by french compagny CFT, buy by Sony in 1968.
Scart/Péritel was european standard by CENELEC to take adavantage to RGB signals.
In France, it becomes mandatory on all color TVs marketed from 1980.

Today americunt by Trinitron to plug with shitty RCA...

Otherwise why we never talk about PAL / NTSC problem with PC, handled console and Micro-PC (Amiga, Atari ST etc...)

>> No.5551696 [DELETED] 

>>5551549
Effectively, yes. It's the far-left that has opened the gates to the foreign horde, and as we've established (and it's something you've not denied), social justice nonsense is a U.S. export. Just like everything else, you've rammed that down our throats, and because we were gullible enough to listen to your academics, we're now paying for it. You've pretty much destroyed Europe at this point, and thanks to you, we're now seeing the far-right on the rise. You are a despicable, whiny, selfish bunch of bastards with no forethought. I honestly hope you suffer the safe fate as the rest of us. You truly deserve it.

>> No.5551702

>>5551303
OP was talking about console thread. Then later it became dev related. But even us yanks had better devs running on better hardware. What are you on about?

>> No.5551704

>>5551327
Right now, Western Europe is an American colony. Of course you follow after us, but it was your choice to follow the faggy coastal cities instead of the mainland.

>> No.5552112

>>5543719
>How comes that 90's
>tasteful, sophisticated
kek
OK, Yurop.

>> No.5552907

This thread has very little to do with video games.

>> No.5552912

>>5552907
Good thing you bumped it then, isn't it.

>> No.5552913

>>5543937
This is utter bullshit. Basically the entire surface is flat.

>> No.5552919

I did hear they made the SNES that way because the NES's flat top was an overly inviting place to set drinks on.

>> No.5552938

>>5543719
>tasteful
>sophisticated
>HURR DURR RAINBOW COLORZ ON MY CUNTROLLERRR
kys

>> No.5552968

>>5551696
Blame your WW2 leaders and veterans. They are responsible for the situation you're in.

>> No.5553012

>>5552968
>europoor handling responsibility
Not going to happen.

>> No.5553045

>gf gets me 8bitdo
>its horrible USA colors instead of nice PAL colors
still a nice pad, though

>> No.5553047

>>5551702
get shot

>> No.5553051

>>5552968
>>5553012
>durr i h8 europe so much n i h8 the ess jay dubyews and da jooz and my masters israel
>i wish america was run by the nazi party, i love germany!
kill yourselves

>> No.5553203

>>5553045
Sorry you had to break up with her.

>> No.5553216

>>5553045
How are you liking the concave X and Y buttons, anon?

>> No.5553304

American snes > eu/jp snes
>concave buttons
>unified, white and purple color pallet other than gray and "dude look at all the colors lmao"
>edgy, angular design. Looks like a cool ass 90s computer
>cartridges have end labels

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5553334

>>5544409
>how shitty it was to grow up anywhere in europe pre 2008?
>Oi did pay your tv license! Or your porn license? Bin that knife!

As if it's still not shitty to grow up there.

>> No.5553507

>>5546548
maybe it's because Europeans have better things to do, like going to classical concerts and to the theater..? just sayin

>> No.5553575

>>5544409
I grew up in western Europe during the 80s and 90s and it was definitely better. Less division, less paranoia.

>> No.5553591

>>5553216
They're nice, but honestly there's not that much of a difference.

>> No.5553604

>>5543719
Yeah, playing games at a 17% slower speed with thick black borders is so sophisticated.

>> No.5553625

>>5553304
>cartridges have end labels
Good point, I rarely see that mentioned

>> No.5553950 [DELETED] 

>>5553604
Another Burger faggot not understanding meaning of OP's post. OP was talking about game developers and console aesthetics. OP made reference to nothing else. Another anon has pointed this out at least three times in this thread, but you fucktards still don't get it. How are you (all) so dumb?

>> No.5553961

>>5553604
Another Burger faggot not understanding meaning of OP's post. OP was talking about game developers and console aesthetics. OP made reference to nothing else. Other anons have pointed this out at least three times in this thread, but you fucktards still don't get it. How are you (all) so dumb?

>> No.5553969 [DELETED] 

>>5553950
PALfag detected. Enjoy your objectively inferior experience.

>> No.5553970

>>5553961
PALfag detected. Enjoy your objectively inferior experience.

>> No.5553972
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5553972

>>5551315
>amerisharts complaining about faggots

>> No.5554002

>>5553604
>>5553970
Enjoy playing games with shitty image quality while we are playing games in RGB with imported consoles or 60hz mods.

>> No.5554035 [DELETED] 

>>5553970
Yet another simpleton parroting nonsense that has nothing to do with what the original poster said. This is unbelievable. At this point, you are irrefutably the densest scumfucks on the planet. I've looked up and down thread, and only one of you has made a legitimate counter-argument - and I'll bet that the anon wasn't even one of you faggots. So fucking sad. You should be ashamed. You're like uber zealous religitards making the same pointless arguments again and again. Kill yourselves. No, really.

>> No.5554047

>>5553970
Yet another simpleton parroting nonsense that has nothing to do with what the original poster said. This is unbelievable. At this point, you are irrefutably the densest scumfucks on the planet. I've looked up and down the thread, and only one poster has made a legitimate counter-argument - and I'll bet that the anon wasn't even one of you faggots. So fucking sad. You should be ashamed. You're like uber zealous religitards making the same pointless arguments again and again. Kill yourselves. No, really.

>> No.5554051 [DELETED] 

>>5554035
Now I understand. I see that your brain runs at least 17% slower than a normal person's, so it makes sense you'd want your games to be the same way. You're the perfect representative of the PAL standard, you're very slow and shitty.

>> No.5554057

>>5554047
Now I understand. I see that your brain runs at least 17% slower than a normal person's, so it makes sense you'd want your games to be the same way.

>> No.5554082 [DELETED] 

>>5554057
OP:

"European gaming was so tasteful, sophisticated..."

In reference to quality of output pertaining to Eurofag developers.

YOU fucking retards:

"Dis haz nuffink ta doo wid wut OP said, but muh 60hz. MUH 60hz!"

Cut your throat, you burger spastic faggot. Do it now.

>> No.5554119

>>5544524
What game is this?

>> No.5554126

>>5554057
OP:

"European gaming was so tasteful, sophisticated..."

-In reference to quality of output pertaining to Eurofag developers.

YOU fucking retards:

"Dis haz nuffink ta doo wid wut OP sed, but muh 60hz. MUH 60hz!"

No one from Europe would ever argue that 50hz gaming was superior, which is why the OP never made mention of it.

Cut your throat, you burger spastic faggot. Do it now.

>> No.5554135

>>5543719
Honestly, I dunno why US devs sucked. Euro devs did actually put out better games as far as I can recall.
Doesn't matter that much, most of the good shit was JP developed, and PAL players played all of those games an asston slower.
Firing up say, Sonic 1 at 50 hz made me feel like I was some kind of god at Sonic because it was literally in slow motion.

Also, to this day I will never understand people who think the US SNES looks worse.
The US SNES just looks pro as fuck.

>> No.5554137

>>5554119
GODS, by the Bitmap Brothers.

>> No.5554153

The PAL format itself is literally superior to NTSC, too bad they butchered the games for it

>> No.5554178

>>5554135
Nice try, faggot - and straight after the post in which it was stated that no one would argue 50hz gaming was better. Almost predictable, such is the Burger's desperation. If this was /pol/, you never would have posted (flag, fag).

>ass ton
>I'm EUROPEAN!

HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!

>> No.5554210

>>5554126
>>5554178
Looks like we've got some autist on the lose going on an anti-USA tirade over nothing. Your jealousy is showing, faggot boy. Pipe down and maybe some day you'll be able to afford some 60hz equipment.

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5554237

>>5554135
>Honestly, I dunno why US devs sucked. Euro devs did actually put out better games as far as I can recall.

>> No.5554270

Euro game design feels like a less polished version of Japanese game design. American game design is pretty different and has tended to focus more on modeling reality.

>> No.5554283

>>5554210
>Pointing out your obvious retardation
>Xenophobia!

"Pipe down and maybe some day you'll be able to afford some 60hz equipment."

And it don't stooop. And it won't stooop.

This is hilarious. Keep posting that shit, faggot. It's absolute fucking gold.

>> No.5554302 [DELETED] 

>>5554283
>goes full retard
Now he's really sperging out.

>> No.5554305

>>5554283
>>5554283
>goes full retard
Now you're really sperging out. Are you ok?

>> No.5554325

>>5554305
>"Now you're really sperging out."
>Burger 'tards repeating same pointless shit throughout thread
>Apparently not the same thing

I'm absolutely fine, scumbag. Just laughing at you.

>> No.5554336

>>5553047
Autistic screeching is not an argument. Go piss on the sidewalk like you animals do.

>> No.5554338

>>5553972
see >>5551704

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5554357

'mericans should get their own board /jesus/

>> No.5554602

>>5548449
>>5546552
>>5543719
If you swapped them you would say the american one is "gay, boring, and smooth". Only reason idiots prefer the japanese design is "muh nippon superiority"

>> No.5554614

>>5554602

From a pure design standpoint the rounded edges are much more elegant. The use of lines in both the japanese and european models is more refined too. You can TELL that this version went through a grueling long design process. The usa snes one looks like they went with the very first concept.

>> No.5554618

>>5554325
My my, you are insecure, aren’t you?

>> No.5555383

>>5553950
>>5553961

>>5554035
>>5554047

>>5554082
>>5554126

What is going on here?

>> No.5555858 [DELETED] 

>>5554618
Nah, anon is pointing out burger retardation. Burger is vomiting same irrelevant shit all throughout thread (which you'd know if you'd actually read the comments). Anon is laughing at you. I'm laughing at you. We're all laughing at you. And why shouldn't we? Stating that anon is insecure doesn't erase dumb burger comments, retard. They're there for all to see and laugh at.
I was perusing this post yesterday, and have noticed some of the comments refuting your bullshit have been erased. What's the matter, bud? Insecure..? XD

>> No.5555863

>>5554618
Nah, anon is pointing out burger retardation. Burger is vomiting same irrelevant shit all throughout thread (which you'd know if you'd actually read the comments). Anon is laughing at you. I'm laughing at you. We're all laughing at you. And why shouldn't we? Stating that anon is insecure doesn't erase dumb burger comments, retard. They're there for all to see and laugh at.
I was perusing this thread yesterday, and have noticed some of the comments refuting your bullshit have been erased. What's the matter, bud? Insecure..? XD

>> No.5555872

>>5555383

Are you referring to all the shitposts getting deleted? This entire thread is nothing but shitposting. Some of them are bound to be reported.

>> No.5555949

>>5555872
No

>> No.5555991

Is there a list of games that were optimized for PAL? (Preferably snes)

>> No.5556019

>>5555991
Optimized as in reprogrammed not to run at 83% normal speed?

>> No.5556106

>>5556019
That's what optimized means durrr. Most good fourth/fifth games were optimized, and if they weren't there was a good reason - MK64 for example plays significantly smoother on PAL because the CPU can actually keep up a lot better at 83% of the rate, the speed drop isn't a big deal by comparison. Sonic 1 infamously isn't optimized despite Sega putting so much emphasis on speed, but it's not as big a deal as you might think. I didn't really notice it as being slower than other genesis Sonics or anything.

>> No.5556123

>>5556106
Then no, there is no list like that.

>> No.5556339

I'm convinced Americans have no idea how refresh rates or colour encoding worked with old television formats.

>> No.5556430

>>5551036
>when you completely lack self-awareness

This is hilarious, especially coming from a citizen of a country that has more bad stereotypes than any other nation on the face of the fucking planet. That you're cognisant of your utter retardation, and still have the temerity to post anything about other nation's stereotypes absolutely amazes me. Just incredible.

>> No.5556450

>>5554336
>too embarrassed to take out his tiny mutilated dick in public

>> No.5556453

>>5556106
Wipeout 3 special edition was specifically made for 50hz.

>> No.5556890

>>5556339
If you continue believing in arrogant, foolish things until the day you die, you will die an arrogant fool. Something to look forward to.

>> No.5556946 [DELETED] 

>>5556890
"MUH FUCKIN 60HZ!"

Every other burger in this thread. But when you make any kind of issue out of such a thing, that's just fine, right?

I hope you get run over. I hope your entire family get raped to death. I hope I'm there when it happens so I can film it and rub one out to the footage later on. :D

>> No.5556950

Why don't we instead debate what actually matters which is the overall lameness of European game design?

>> No.5556958

>>5556890
"MUH FUCKIN 60HZ!"

I hope you get run over. I hope your entire family get raped to death. I hope I'm there when it happens so I can film it and rub one out to the footage later on. :D

>> No.5556971

>>5556950
How is it lame, moron.

>> No.5556982

>>5556971
Where do we start? The lame ripoffs of Japanese console games? The mountains of trash home computer shovelware? The software houses churning out games assembly line style with no regard to quality? The shit Amiga arcade ports done in two months by literal teenagers?

>> No.5556996

>>5556982
What do you want? The games ranged from £3-£14 and you could copy them and swap cassettes with your friends at school. At least you didn't pay £40 like you did for a NES game.

>> No.5557026 [DELETED] 

>>5556982
>The lame ripoffs of Japanese console games

Shigeru Miyamoto:

"I love Plok!"

"You are useless! Why can't you create game like Donkey Kong Country?"

"In order to make one of the best platformers of the era (Mario 64), I will rip-off this Croc game!"

"I have millions to spend in R&D, but have fallen short - which is why I must now rely on superior European to develop Super FX chip!"

...and so on...

>> No.5557051

>>5556982

Shigeru Miyamoto:

"I love Plok! It is my favourite game!"

"You are useless! Why can't you create game like Donkey Kong Country?"

"In order to make one of the best platformers of the era (Mario 64), I will rip-off this Croc game!"

"I have millions to spend in R&D, but have fallen short - which is why I must now rely on superior European to develop Super FX chip!"

...and so on...

>> No.5557059

>>5556982
>>5556996
Wait, why are we discussing the 80s anyway? What does primitive ZX Spectrum rubbish have to do with Nintendo needing a British dev's helping hand?

>> No.5557060

>>5556450
I just know not to act like a savage. You're a few decades away from designated shitting streets. Keep the anteater abomination to yourself and away from children.

>> No.5557063

>>5557026
>>5557051
Seriously, wtf is this?

>> No.5557065

>>5554357
This is site was founded by an American, eurofag. I don't care if hiroshimoot owns it. American hands made this platform.

>> No.5557068

>>5556958
seething

>> No.5557072

Let us remember that the entire PC gaming industry was born in the US, particularly on the Apple II, and it originated with microcomputer hobbyists porting games that were played on university mainframes.

>> No.5557081

>>5557060
Hahaha!

If you want me to post GIF after GIF of you burgers and your non-savagery, then I will.

Shit. Get the fuck OUT of here, you spaz.

>> No.5557084

>>5556996
efuckingxactly, from 1986 to 1992, six years, i got about 200 original games plus about another 100 copied games...
= during my childhood i played some 300 games at home...
how many did you play with on your fucking nintendo?
i must say they did a good job with that seal of quality thing though...imagine getting a flop and paying through the nose for it...lol

>> No.5557089

>>5557081
Do it, you faggot. I'm so proud I'm not from a country where shit eating fetishism and stabbing people over football jersey's is normal. Larp and cope harder.

>> No.5557091

>>5557059
some games were hugely creative and had no way to be in a videconsole, text adventures for one...that nintendo shit was all jump and shoot u dork

>> No.5557093

>>5557065
american hands are the world's hands
and we are your daddy, never forget that

>> No.5557096

>>5557084
How many of those games were actually any good and weren't just shit out by some 18 year old in six weeks? It's hard to compare the typical ZX Spectrum game with console games made by the world's best and most well-funded developers.

>> No.5557097

>>5557093
>back in my day I used to
Shut up. You're culturally irrelevant. Western Eurostan is an American colony.

>> No.5557098

>>5557084
>i must say they did a good job with that seal of quality thing though...imagine getting a flop and paying through the nose for it...lol
That's ok, you could just rent the game from Blockbuster.

>> No.5557104

>>5554047
holy fucking shit ive never seen a palfag this buttmad before lmao

>> No.5557110

>>5557097
you've no culture, little history and "some" art
lol, irrelevant you say
best u've ever brought to the world is pr0n
and it's stil shit

>> No.5557113

>>5553575
youre in europe m8 go eat some fish n ships lmao don't forget to pay for your eating license and enjoy importing a proper tv set and a proper console for 60hz ya poor bastard. tell the queen i said to get off her high horse btw, you medieval cunts

>> No.5557115

Console games aren't computer games and it's unfair to compare them anyway. It would be fairer to note that Americans had Wasteland and Space Quest and Starflight and Ultima while Euros had...uh...Jack the Nipper and some game with an anthro egg.

>> No.5557118

>>5557098
still own the games, now worth more than then
what u got? blockbuster receipts? :D

>> No.5557124

>>5557113
yes yurop, won't need to sell my house when i visit hospital for a checkup, lol

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>>5557110
Who needs culture when you have things that go boom? Guns, missiles, trucks, and tanks is culture for the blood gods. Enjoy your faggy castles while I barge in.

>> No.5557130

>>5557115
doubt much of america could afford those
meanwhile most of yurop was happily playing in the living room...and learning to code

>> No.5557134

>>5556996
>no American kids ever swapped C64 floppies at school

>> No.5557138

>>5557129
exactly, sex n violence, that's all you amount to
we still got your shit if we wanted too
whereas you have no fucking clue about what we got

>> No.5557140

>>5557130
>doubt much of america could afford those
Afford what?

>> No.5557141

>>5557089
"I'm so proud I'm not from a country where shit eating fetishism and stabbing people over football jersey's is normal"

No - your country is much, much worse. And you need to be specific, faggot; Europe is not a country, and neither shit eating fetishes, nor football hooliganism is a common thing where I'm from. In fact it's non-existent. Such a fat, sister fucking, school massacre lovin', SJW bullshit exportin' dopey, illegitimate retarded son of a crack whore.

"Do it! Show the world how fucking stupid we are!"

You're already doing a stellar job, buddy. HAHAHAHAAAAAAA!

>> No.5557142

>>5557134
rich kids and their floppies, again same stance
only for the privileged

>> No.5557146

>>5557138
We have all the clue when you pay us to defend your countries.
>exactly, sex n violence, that's all you amount to
Spoken like a chicken neck eurosoii

>> No.5557147

>>5557140
a pc with space quest and ultima and yada yada
dumbfuck, learn to read
try to do the maths of how much that'd cost in 1986 then, but yeah, gotta learn to read first

>> No.5557148

>>5555863
>W-we're all laughing.. R-right g-guys? Back me up here...
Hang yourself, you don't even know what a burger is, go eat your snails and rice.

>> No.5557152

>>5557146
money money money, that's all you amount to
no soul at all

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>>5557124
what is, insurance? why do palfags get this offended christ. just go drink your tea and everything will swoon over, don't want to get trapped in those tram systems underground again, do we? the WW is over lad.

>> No.5557160

>>5557096
read about Matthew Smith and Manic Miner (1983), then report back here if you've guts

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>>5557152
>b-but sweety I have soul
>why are you leaving me for that oil money texan?
C O P E
O
P
E

>> No.5557168

>>5557153
again, only thinking on the privileged ones
yep we got trams and roundabouts, those are too complex for you to understand, i know that, lol

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5557170

>it's another thread where an autistic manchild defends games he hasn't played since he was probably 12
I am British and I'm not going to claim anything from the 8-bit era has held up or is still playable at all. But then I was born in 95 so I don't have nostalgia bias for that era and can examine things more objectively.

>> No.5557173

>>5557163
you can fuck off then sweety, my life doesn't depend on having a woman by my side
i.e. life is more than sex

>> No.5557174

>>5556982
Well, Europe BTFO.
>>5556996
You're just contributing to the Europoor meme. We get it, you don't have a lot of money.
>>5557084
Quantity over quality, seriously? You must be one of those obese guys in the battlestation threads with hundreds of shit games on the shelf.

>> No.5557179

>>5557170
>kid who wasn't there thinks he's going to gain brownie points by sucking up to Americans

>> No.5557186

>>5557142
Um, you do realize that nobody in North America used cassettes on a computer after 1983. Literally everyone had a 1541 drive on their C64, sometimes two.

>> No.5557187

>>5557170
is not nostalgia...read up on Manic Miner (1983) and be proud, learn about gaming history if anything
all games right up to the atari 2600 are playable, and if you say they ain't then I'm afraid u be pretty biased

>> No.5557193

Manic Miner is just Zniggy-tier shit.

>> No.5557195

>>5557186
sure boy, a c64 + 1541 in every home, right

>> No.5557196

>>5557148
>usually fat
>entitled
>homicidal
>stupid
>war mongers
>elected a complete retard - who was literally the best of the bunch
>destroys other nations by shoving faggy far-left ideologies down their throats

How am I doing, bub?

>> No.5557197

>>5557160
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgUzteADsRI
MY SIDES, MY SIDES
Eurocucks were unironically playing this...
While normal people were playing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u17mTefrodo
My fucking sides.

>> No.5557203

>>5557193
manic miner is mario's daddy u twat, took them a whole 2 years to figure it out
manic miner was created by a 16 year old

>> No.5557204

>>5557168
>attempt at reversing response due to lack of original thought because the queen tells him what to suck down
cope palfag. go wait in the train station for your spotted dick LMFAO

>> No.5557206

>>5557195
He's right though. It's pretty well established that Commodore UK set ridiculously high prices for the 1541 and nobody here had one.

>> No.5557207

>>5557203
>twat
want some spotted dick? rofl

>> No.5557212

>>5557174
don't do battlewhatever, i'm not that obsessed with gaming, but i like its history
just trying to shed some light here, some of you will learn, others will keep stupid as usual

>> No.5557213

IDK, but I've seen American C64 magazines and they seemed to usually focus on the computer's use for education or productivity while the UK magazines just focused on games.

>> No.5557214

>>5557204
i rather do that than get 3 extra jobs to make ends meet
it's called quality of life u wageslave

>> No.5557217

Americans have more disposable income than Europeans on average. That was why European games tended to be so low budget and bedroom coder and why cassettes and 8-bit computers persisted longer there than here.

>> No.5557218

>>5557207
look there's a smart one, highlights the only useless part of my message
well played

>> No.5557221

>>5557196
>usually fat
Are we talking about your mom? Damn, you seem really mad you didn't get to go to an American university and see these girls. I actually feel bad for you at this point
>entitled
You would be too though.
>homicidal
The only person I want to kill is you.
>stupid
Projecting.
>war mongers
You mean world police because you can't afford to do anything?
>election
Go back to /pol/
>destroys other nations
More like, provides them with the best video gaming experiences on planet Earth. We get it, the ZX Spectrum has cause you to be permanently seething.

>> No.5557227

The Spectrum was rubbish for poor people who couldn't afford a C64 or Amstrad.

>> No.5557228

>>5557197
fuck me, if you are comparing that monotonous tapper game to Manic Miner you have some serious problem...besides that video ain't from no home computer i believe
no contest here i'm afraid

>> No.5557234

>>5557147
Of the four games I listed actually only Space Quest needed a PC, the others were available on the C64.

>> No.5557236

>>5557197
The only reason people make fun of Manic Miner is because of Britfags who insist "Mario is SHIT!" because europoors couldn't afford Nintendos. That's like saying 80s arcade games are SHIT because they're more expensive than NES cartridges.

>> No.5557239

>>5557227
i had an Amstrad, but the Spectrum was faster, most games play better there
point was all were pretty affordable, meaning more people could enjoy and share. And this is what seems to piss you off you sad entitled money obsessed fucks

>> No.5557246

>>5557234
good point, i only discovered about Ultima on C64 recently, i believe the first ones were on tape
still, the context of original post suggested PC, so there

>> No.5557249

>>5557239
>point was all were pretty affordable, meaning more people could enjoy and share. And this is what seems to piss you off you sad entitled money obsessed fucks
I'm not going to pretend we were ahead of Americans in computer technology because sadly it's not true. By the late 70s already they had fully usable home computers like the TRS-80 with disk drives and serial ports while Clive Sinclair was still peddling calculator kits.

>> No.5557251

>>5557239
*looks at Spectrum gameplay videos*
>probably 8 fps, 4 colors
BAHAHA

>> No.5557256

>>5557246
>good point, i only discovered about Ultima on C64 recently, i believe the first ones were on tape
Ultima was an Apple II game originally and it was never on tape on any platform, it was always a disk game.

>> No.5557259

>>5557251
8 colours to be exact
sad that you value a game depending on the number of colours, they don't affect the gameplay, but you knew that already, didn't you?
are you really that superficial?

>> No.5557260

You could get many of the US computer games here as imports though, but it wasn't cheap.

>> No.5557272

>>5557256
thought so, so yeah, up for the privileged
i prefer our egalitarianism, that's one of my points

>> No.5557274 [DELETED] 

If you don't like good graphics, go play a board game. On a serious note, you Europeans should using soap when you bathe.

>> No.5557275

>>5557072
During the 1960s, the US government began requiring engineering students to take a programming course (Cold War shit) and this led to a lot of games like Colossal Cave Adventure and Star Trek being played at universities.

So when the early personal computers arrived, everyone quickly ported those mainframe games and it's one of the big reasons why American computer game design has tended to focus on simulations and adventures.

>> No.5557279

>>5557259
If you don't like good graphics, go play a board game. On a serious but unrelated note, you Europeans should using soap when you bathe once in a while.

>> No.5557281

>>5557272
>thought so, so yeah, up for the privileged
Given that everyone here could afford a disk drive after the early 80s, maybe not.

>> No.5557282

>>5557249
i have not said that on any of my posts, it's now what i'm talking about at all, check ur reading comprehension
i merit the affordability of Sinclair and creativity of Matthew Smith mostly, i dig that stuff

>> No.5557285

My apologies for this nostalgic cunt who thinks being poor is something to be celebrated.

>> No.5557286

>>5557281
i somehow doubt that, but i haven't looked at it yet
simple maths can clear this and see what proportion of the population in each country had access to these

>> No.5557289

>>5557285
nah you're good, you're just missing the point completely, but hey, that was expected, wasn't it?

>> No.5557291

>>5557275
i like that, thanks for posting useful info

>> No.5557295

>>5557279
board games? soap?
butthurt much? lol

>> No.5557298

In Sweden the C64 was mainly aimed at children as a cheaper alternative to the NES. Nobody used it for serious work and of 30 odd people I knew with a C64, only two of them had disk drives. In 1983, you paid 3495 Swedish kroner for the 1541 and a few years later, although it had come down in price a little, was still expensive.

>> No.5557309

The main reason disk drives were so expensive in Europe was that the bulk of disk drive manufacturing was in California and Japan. It was expensive to import disk drives to Europe--they were heavy and costly to ship, and they also needed 220V PSUs which added to the price.

>> No.5557348

>>5557309
damn floppy drive costed 400$ on release on the US
a C64 (595$) + floppy = 1000$
.
.
.
Spectrum 48K = 120$

>> No.5557379

>>5557217
i very much doubt that, though you might believe what you choose to
even if you really do, i believe it will be until you get to visit the hospital for some serious matter
wake up and smell the coffee

>> No.5557395

>>5557348
The $595 price was only for the first eight or so months, by spring 1983 the C64 was down to around $300 which was when sales really blew up. By 1984 the 1541 was selling for around $250. Some mail order places were selling them for $220. So your total investment was only around $530-$550.

>> No.5557403

>>5543719
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiCxXMquPKs

>tasteful

>> No.5557409

>>5557403
I believe this was made by the same team that made Hawkwind, which is practically the same game but with a Conan the Barbarian type of character instead. It's a typical tech-demo-posing-as-a-game where you do nothing but collect tokens to advanced to the next level, all of which are exactly the same.

>> No.5557410

>>5557395
thanks, good info, that's sensible pricing, yes

>> No.5557414

>>5557403
brilliant stuff indeed, thanks for that.
hardware scrolling is something else, the machine was fucking good. That game must have been a blast back then.

>> No.5557415

The Apple II was the computer for douchey rich yuppies who bought the advertising nonsense that owning an Apple product would help your child get into Harvard Med and they only ever used it to play Oregon Trail or something.

>> No.5557417

>/int/ faggotry
Cant wait til someone who isn't an Asian /pol/tard buys this site and bans all you pissing contest losers

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>> No.5557421

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>> No.5557430

>>5557419
>Lemon64 top 100 games list: 63 NTSC games and 37 PAL

>> No.5557441

PAL C64 games: Bright, loud, and spastic. Usually the only point of the game is an exercise in showing off some cool SID tune or sprite multiplexer the programmer wrote.

NTSC C64 games: Usually questionable attempts at creating cinematic epics. Focus is more on strategy or exploring a world. The NTSC stuff did have great running guy animations though.

>> No.5557469

>>5557298
How sad. Here people used them for all different tasks both work and play. My dad used Fleet Writer on his.

>> No.5557480

>>5557309
Also the UK had the largest and most well-developed software industry in Europe and UK software houses were reluctant to invest in disk duplicators and software.

>> No.5557507

Most of the guys on Lemon64 will tell you that PAL C64s are better than NTSC C64s, but at the same time most of them would rather actually play NTSC games because they're more well-developed and have more actual gameplay/content.

>> No.5557534

>>5543719
Usually when I play video games I'm looking at my TV, not the console.

>> No.5557540

>>5557507
Domark and Tiertex against EA, Origin, SSI, or Activision really isn't much of a contest.

>> No.5557797

>>5557214
120k/as cope. i could buy your entire street and have enough left over to install a crime family in your district to ensure you couldn't buy bread without a knife at your throat. hows the queen doing? she still want my spotted dick palfag?

>> No.5558242

>>5557403
That's what they call horror vaculi in game design--everything is way too cluttered and no space is left.

>> No.5558263

I won't lie when I say the Datasette beat the 1541 hands-down for reliability. I've never come across a single Datasette that didn't work and C64 tapes seldom ever fail to work correctly either. 1541s on the other hand...

>> No.5558268

/STICKY PLEASE/

>> No.5558272

>>5557395
When I was a kid in 1985, we got a C16 given to us as a gift. We took it back to the store and exchanged it for a C64. They didn't even have any Datasettes on sale there.

>> No.5558279

Whats going on in this thread? I can't bother to read all of this ~_~

>> No.5558281

A lot of the early Synapse, Epyx, and Broderbund C64 games were available on tape. After 83 though, nobody was still using tapes.

>> No.5558293

When I was a child in Scotland, hardly anyone had disks on their C64s except the poshfags. The shops didn't even carry disk drives, at least not that I remember. Since the rate of disk ownership was small, it was seldom worth it for software houses to bother with disk software. Games that were on disk were also more pricey.

>> No.5558304

The C64 came out in the early 80s at a time when the UK economy was not in the best standing, which explains why cheaper machines like the ZX Spectrum sold so well. Just a C64 itself was for poshfags and having to spring for a disk drive was just too much.

Better, more expensive machines like the MSX, Atari 8-bit, and BBCs all failed to compete with a toy that had rubber keys, bleeper sound, and not even a real printer.

By the late 80s when Thatcher's greed culture had taken over, people wanted more options and by this point, Acorn had become even more psychotic than Commodore's concept planners by peddling machines like the BBC Master 128 which was Amiga 500 pricing and Atari had largely given up on the 8-bits and put all their effort behind the ST.

So the C64 by the late 80s had become affordable to the average bloke and every kid had one. The posh crowd had moved on to Amigas or PC compatibles.

The early 90s recession put an end to that and huge interest rates so more expensive machines didn't sell so good.

>> No.5558321

I couldn't imagine not having the colour stripes and the cutesy loading screen while you're waiting for a game to load.

>> No.5558330

Yeah nobody used tapes on their C64 in the US after the early days. By 1985 you literally could not find a single piece of tape software in stores and it was relegated to mail order by that point.

I have exactly one tape game in my personal collection, Star League Baseball, and it has no flashing colors or loading screen--you just stare at a blank screen for several minutes while it loads.

>> No.5558337

here in Poland C64 wasn't available until communism fell. practically everyone had cassettes. I knew just one guy with 1541. Man I was jealous of that thing.

>> No.5559701

>>5557441
thanks for that, i believed all the games I knew from back then was all there was, alas no, there's a whole world of NTSC games to discover on the C64
truly enlightening, glad to find out that after all the insults and shit something proper came out of it.
thanks again.

>> No.5559710

>>5557797
buh, don't care about monarchs. I am Spanish and wish for a Republic. We did declare one back in 1931, fascists fucked it up and tortured us for 40 years. We will fix it soon, thanks.

>> No.5559716

>>5558293
cpc disk games were a ripoff too...I never knew any 6128 owner with a significant collection of games

>> No.5559730

>>5558330
the tape loading on C64 games is a bit weird indeed, sometimes you don't know where it's at but reading your comment I realise the machine was intended to have that floppy drive.
funnily enough i think i bought my last game tape on 1991 or even 1992...go figure

>> No.5559767

>>5543719
>my plastic gray box is better than your plastic gray box

>> No.5559781

Cassette storage was perfectly fine on the VIC-20 as games were small and loaded quickly. For the C64 it started getting painful and it was obvious that it was a machine intended to be used with a disk drive, not tapes.

>> No.5559797

>>5558330
Not to be confused with Microleague Baseball which was a lazy port from the Apple II.

>> No.5559823

>>5559710
no problem, hope the spotted dick is good tonight. tell your wife i said next weekend ill be around after i fly out using my private jet that runs on decaying cartridges. btw the tea is poison. check your cabinet lad.

>> No.5562247 [DELETED] 

>>5557221
>"Are we talking about your mom..."

You've obviously never set foot on U.K. soil, you dumb shit. Who are some of the most famous supermodels ever? Kate Moss, Naomi Campbell, etc... Who keeps getting cast in Hollywood - an industry that has a focus on the body and face beautiful? British women, you dumb faggot. Do you actually think all our hot bitches are all in television, movies, and so on? Of course not. That would be like you - fucking retarded.

>"You would be too though"

You're not entitled to anything, other than having what little brains you have bashed in, you little pissant.

>The only person..."

You barely have the balls to leave your house, you fucking shut-in. Physical altercation is a foreign concept to an invertebrate keyboard warrior faggot like you.

>"Projecting"

Demonstrable. One only has to peruse this board to know that you're all retarded.

>"You mean world police"

All the dead civilians in all those Middle Eastern countries thank you for your service. All those democratically elected leaders who were overthrown with your help and replaced by burger puppets thank you for your service. The DPRK thanks you for your service. After all, your bailing out (cowards) is what lead to Korea becoming two states. Vietnam thanks you for your service. All those unarmed combatants killed in vain. AND you ran away again (cowards). All this shit, and it's probably just the tip of the iceberg. You've been absolutely worthless since the Second World War. You've even created one your own worst enemies in ISIS. World police? LOL!

>"Go back to /pol/"

Bad idea. Good place for ammunition to mow down faggots like you. Guess you get a bit prickly when someone points out that your elites are complete fucking retards. Probably because of how the rest of you look...

>"More like, provides them with the best.."

That is not in any fashon a refutation of what I said. Oh, and Japan.

>> No.5562268

>>5557221
>"Are we talking about your mom..."

You've obviously never set foot on U.K. soil, you dumb shit. Who are some of the most famous supermodels ever? Kate Moss, Naomi Campbell, etc... Who keeps getting cast in Hollywood - an industry that has a focus on the body and face beautiful? British women, you dumb faggot. Do you actually think all our hot bitches are all in television, movies, and so on? Of course not. That would be like you - fucking retarded.

>"You would be too though"

You're not entitled to anything, other than having what little brains you have bashed in, you little pissant.

>The only person..."

You barely have the balls to leave your house, you fucking shut-in. Physical altercation is a foreign concept to an invertebrate keyboard warrior faggot like you.

>"Projecting"

Demonstrable. One only has to peruse this board to know that you're all retarded.

>"You mean world police"

All the dead civilians in all those Middle Eastern countries thank you for your service. All those democratically elected leaders who were overthrown with your help and replaced by burger puppets thank you for your service. The DPRK thanks you for your service. After all, your bailing out (cowards) is what lead to Korea becoming two states. Vietnam thanks you for your service. All those unarmed combatants killed in vain. AND you ran away again (cowards). All this shit, and it's probably just the tip of the iceberg. You've been absolutely worthless since the Second World War. You've even created one your own worst enemies in ISIS. World police? LOL!

>"Go back to /pol/"

Bad idea. Good place for ammunition to mow down faggots like you. Guess you get a bit prickly when someone points out that your elites are complete fucking retards. Probably because of how the rest of you look...

>"More like, provides them with the best.."

That is not in any fashion a refutation of what I said. Oh, and Japan.

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>>5562268
British women are objectively ugly as fuck.