Do you play fighting games only for the multiplayer or do you think the single player experience is a important part of them?

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Anonymous Sat Apr 27 14:26:32 2019 No.5532165 [Reply] [Original]

Do you play fighting games only for the multiplayer or do you think the single player experience is a important part of them?

Anonymous Sat Apr 27 14:38:08 2019 No.5532187
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It's less important than the multiplayer, since VS fighting games are made with that in mind first and foremost, but arcade modes/story modes can be pretty interesting. It can be good to getting into the game's lore and story, plus in many cases the boss characters aren't selectable so you can only see them while playing on single player.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 14:39:38 2019 No.5532191 The two components are super important, one cannot live without either one of them.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 14:39:59 2019 No.5532192 >>5532165 i like a lot the singleplayer in some fighting games, like in Heritage for the future in ps1. but for games like Tekken, where the cpu is braindead and doesn't do anything to counter movements i guess i only play it for the MP.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 14:40:50 2019 No.5532193 >>5532165 These days i'm all about the versus but back then i loved a fleshed out SP, especially when you could unlock shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 15:28:33 2019 No.5532287 >>5532165 You just know a genre is absolutely dog shit when their fans claim you need a second player in order to make it fun

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 16:32:24 2019 No.5532473 >>5532287 I guess chess is an absolute dogshit game as well.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 16:36:10 2019 No.5532486 >>5532287 I'm sorry to hear about your lack of friends.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 16:37:42 2019 No.5532493 >>5532473 You almost had a valid point there, but we are strictly talking about the context of videogames. I would not fault ping pong for (mostly) being a 1v1 game.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 16:40:09 2019 No.5532498 >>5532165 Only play online, CPU is either stupid easy or grandmaster god mode hard with no in between. People are more fun to play with because you can get matched with players of intermediate skill along similar lines.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 16:41:18 2019 No.5532502 >>5532493 And what's wrong with a video game being a 1v1 game?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 16:43:04 2019 No.5532505 >>5532502 Literally nothing. We're talking about 1v1 games having singleplayer content built out of it which some fags believe these games should only consist of a matchmaking button and nothing else.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 16:46:44 2019 No.5532508 >>5532165 Fighting games without the single player vs the AI suck. Single player is an integral part to fighting games.

Anonymous Sat Apr 27 16:51:29 2019 No.5532527

Shaolin Lord of Fist, Ehrgeiz and Tobal 2 had the most fun RPG-like single player modes.
Tobal 2 final task is a 100 level roguelite-like-lite dungeon that's possibly the hardest challenge I've ever seen in a game. Shit's insane.

Soul Calibur, Guilty Gear XX Accent Core, Bloody Roar 4 had interesting Survival modes with rpg elements.
In Guilty Gear XX ^Core every couple levels you fight overpowered Gold versions of the characters with special abilities that only make sense to CPU opponents like super speed, teleportation, insta-kill and you get to fight Kliff and Judgement as bosses. If you get to a high enough level (500 I think) you start facing ONLY Golden characters. Shit's pretty brutal and fun. And if you know Japanese the Story mode is cheesy fun.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 16:53:52 2019 No.5532534 File: 194 KB, 800x1168, 338119-dragon-ball-z-super-butoden-3-snes-manual.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What are some commercially released fighting games without story/single player mode?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 16:58:14 2019 No.5532547 Super Chinese Fighter had an RPG mode but... It's only in Japanese. Not too hard to understand though, you fight characters to add them to your team.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 17:09:58 2019 No.5532579 >>5532473 it is

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 17:17:01 2019 No.5532617 Fighting games with just basic arcade modes are boring, but if it at least has some gimmicky shit, they can be fun. Even a survival mode is enough. Anyway, only people who suck at fighting games hate them.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 17:17:57 2019 No.5532620 >>5532617 It's the other way around, only people who suck at tourneys care about story modes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 17:19:16 2019 No.5532626 >>5532534 Think whatever you want but nothing screams more UNFINISHED GAME than lack of a basic vs CPU mode.

Anonymous Sat Apr 27 17:21:18 2019 No.5532631
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>>5532626
I agree, at least the gameplay is good though, but no story mode (especially after the great story mode with different paths and endings in butoden 2) felt really cheap, also only really 4 different stages with a few recolor versions.
I still love Butoden 3 because paying VS is fun, but they shat it out very quickly.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 17:25:25 2019 No.5532641 >>5532165 I find it comfy. Why get good at a fighting game if gamerbros will fuck you either way?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 17:29:50 2019 No.5532659 >>5532641 Why do anything if we're all gonna die? Just enable god mode and mash buttons, that's nihilism.

Anonymous Sun Apr 28 03:15:52 2019 No.5533785

>>5532165
I am mercilessly rotten at fighting games, so I only ever play Super Streetfighter 2 Turbo on easy settings, and Final Fight 3 with unlimited extra lives.
I just was never good at them, and I'm not really much of a multiplayer person, so I only do it the scrub way, on my own.

>>5532287
Yeah, fuck multiplayer games like Team Fortress, Counter-Strike, and Quake 3, fucking loser games for faggots.
While we're at it, fuck Monopoly too.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 28 03:17:47 2019 No.5533787 >>5532617 I suck at fighting games and I don't hate them.

Anonymous Sun Apr 28 03:23:42 2019 No.5533793

>>5533785
Team Fortress and Counter-Strike were total conversion mods. Quake 3 WAS criticized for being a 99% multiplayer arena shooter and still is today. Unreal Tournament 2004 had a campaign that created singleplayer content out of an arena shooter. If cuck master CliffyB can do it, anyone should be able to. Next.

Anonymous Sun Apr 28 06:12:35 2019 No.5533937

>>5533793
>total conversion mods
Irrelevant, in that they were bought and transformed into proper standalone games which differ radically from their base game. They are games.

>Quake 3 WAS criticized for being a 99% multiplayer arena shooter and still is today
And it's also praised for that multiplayer.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 28 06:23:08 2019 No.5533945 Every 3D fighting game at least should have a God Hand tier single player.

Anonymous Sun Apr 28 07:56:52 2019 No.5534023
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>>5532165
Single player is fundamentally boring and only good for practicing muscle memory. Fighting games vs humans is one of my favorite genres of all time, for all time. Fighting games vs AI is one of the most boring.

Anonymous Sun Apr 28 08:12:34 2019 No.5534036
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>>5532493
Games and video games are fundamentally the same, the chess analogy is perfect. Fighting games are designed for two players the same way chess is. You can have your opponent be AI but (especially in the retro days) it sucks at thinking so the experience is hollow and nowhere near as interesting.

Fighting games have an action component but they're fundamentally strategy games and what you're really trying to do is out think your opponent. It's exactly the same as something like chess where that simply isn't as interesting when your competition is a computer. Particularly with fighting games where devs have to make the computer be able to cheat in order to be challenging for an experienced player (which is why playing single player is bad for practicing multiplayer)

Also bear in mind that most games through history have been like this, a bounded environment like a chess board or soccer field where players compete within a set of rules that makes the game.

Video games are unusual in that many of them are like complex form of solitaire, but to state that a multiplayer focused video game is therefore somehow bad for not being like that is very riddiculous.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 28 08:22:25 2019 No.5534051 File: 37 KB, 640x480, the-chessmaster-4000-turbo_1.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5532473

Anonymous Sun Apr 28 12:51:03 2019 No.5534482
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>>5534036
Too bad videogames are also a produced product therefore 99% of the time you kinda are obligated to NOT do what Street Fighter V did and ship with only a matchmaking button.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 28 13:13:50 2019 No.5534525 >>5532191 Fukken this. all the retards who say nobody plays faitans because of the history or single play are just that, retards. bad single players can harm the experience, like Mk2 and Umk3.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 28 13:15:06 2019 No.5534527 >>5534482 Alpha 3 was so based, bros. Can we look past the brokeness and just admit it was fun as fuck?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 28 13:17:52 2019 No.5534532 >>5534527 Yes but Saturn>DC

Anonymous Sun Apr 28 20:09:47 2019 No.5535213

I used to be fine with singleplayer in fighting games, but these days I just can't care for it.

I can't put my finger on it, but it feels like somewhere in the last 10 years, people forgot how to code fighting game AI.

Today's AI opponents always feel like braindead, easily cheesed morons, or like bullshit, broken input-reading fucks that you are just going to have to beat based on luck rather than actual mastery.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 28 21:00:44 2019 No.5535275 playing fighting games in single player can be fun, but you haven't played them at their best until you play against a someone else

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 28 21:20:58 2019 No.5535296 I only have fun on 1p because none of my friends or the dudes at the arcade aren't on my level. Modern fighting games online is a different story, but I've yet to play someone in person that's on my level

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 28 21:25:25 2019 No.5535309 single player modes are ass. if you're a retarded weeb with no motor skills, competitiveness, or ability to think beyond "me hit button, watch fancy thing happen" and want to juggle a bot that tells you how awesome you are for doing it go play DMC.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 28 21:31:19 2019 No.5535323 >>5535309 Or a jrpg seeing as how the stories are silly the same There was a point it was needed yeah seeing as how getting an actual opponent wasn't the case but nowadays unless you don't even know how to hadouken I see no point.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 28 23:23:14 2019 No.5535496 >>5532287 Congratulations, of all the hot takes, dumb bait, and general retardation I've seen this year, this comment is the single dumbest thing I've seen in 2019.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 29 05:44:53 2019 No.5536013 File: 149 KB, 610x298, 1553136637244.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5532165 >favorite genre is fighting games >have no friends

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 29 06:08:32 2019 No.5536030 >>5532165 That's really going to depend on the game. Not the series in your pic though, unless you like AI that literally cheats.

Anonymous Mon Apr 29 06:23:28 2019 No.5536046
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>>5535309
You've described Tekken 3. The other arcade fighters the last boss CPU absolutely rapes you.
If you want a challenge try getting the best ending in the arcade release of Neo Geo Batlte Coliseum and tell me how it went for you. It's more about exploits and pattern recognition than mind games you'd use against a human opponent.

If you want a more retro appropriate challenge try beating Geeze in Aof2 or General in Kaiser Knuckle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIYAW_xeDWA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdlagS_7YDg

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 29 06:33:50 2019 No.5536051 >>5535496 He's correct though I feel like this pathetic incel virgin tourneyfaggotry took over fighting game discussion in and this only helps ward off newcomers and casual fans away and kill this already dying genre even fast.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 29 06:34:52 2019 No.5536053 >>5535496 He's correct though I feel like this pathetic incel virgin tourneyfaggotry took over fighting game discussion in and this only helps ward off newcomers and casual fans away and kill this already dying genre even faster.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 29 06:39:58 2019 No.5536061 >>5536046 Order-Sol is another good one.

Anonymous Mon Apr 29 06:43:42 2019 No.5536068
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>>5535213
People often complain about SNK bosses being hard but they don't realize if you continue you get a continue bonus that takes off 2/3rds of the bosse's health away
If you still lose after that the fault is on you not the game.

Anonymous Mon Apr 29 07:51:04 2019 No.5536146

>>5536053
None of that is really true though. Fighting games are nowhere near dying at all though. Besides FPS they're one of the most popular old genres there is these days. And you don't have to enter tournaments to have fun in multiplayer. One of the things that makes them so great is that so long as your opponent is roughly on par with you skill wise they're great all the way from beginner to that tournament level.

Anonymous Mon Apr 29 09:29:27 2019 No.5536242

>>5534482
Capcom does tend to make bad decisions and that was one of them. But despite the upset over the initial release it's gone on to sell 3 million copies. And the reaction would have been far worse if what they put out only had single player with no vs mode. That might have actually killed it.

Anonymous Mon Apr 29 09:54:47 2019 No.5536285
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>>5536146
I'm not sure about that, SFV under-performed and it seems like this year will be the last update season it will be receiving.
The thing about fighting game incel tourneytards is that you act elitist and constantly try to kick and keep newfriends out of your secret club but you don't seem to realize you're not a MOBA, you're not a flavor of the month Battle Royale, you desperately need new blood to keep your niche genre alive.
Pic related shows ho single player as well as tourney play can be done fucking right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQMY8KHDK4w

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 29 11:29:36 2019 No.5536408 >>5536285 Again you're not actually correct. There are tons of new players all the time and people wanting to learn are encouraged. Also it's totally fine if it's not the most popular genre, there are still tons of players.

Anonymous Mon Apr 29 13:58:31 2019 No.5536620
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>>5536046
That's not a challenge retard, you said it yourself all you do is find an exploit and spam it since it's the thing the AI doesnt button read and insta counter. There is truly nothing more pathetic than you tin league retards crying about multiplayer in fighting games, and pretending finding out a bot can't block a spaced low sweep is some immaculate skill.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 29 15:02:47 2019 No.5536797 File: 180 KB, 250x330, 250px-Art_of_Fighting_1_cover.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I feel like The Art of Fighting's single player story was superior to the two player mode.

Anonymous Mon Apr 29 15:12:11 2019 No.5536823

>>5536620
It is still challenging to figure out and execute the cheese needed to out-cheese cheatibg AI. The issue in my opinon is that it's extremely boring compared to playing versus real competition and fighting the computer a lot tends to build bad patterns that end up making you worse if you do move to multiplayer.

It's a game obviously so people should have fun with them in whatever way they like, but focusing on single player just makes no sense to me. There are tobs of great single player games, fighters just aren't really among them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 29 17:30:03 2019 No.5537184 >>5532165 I don't play fighting games anymore because they're only made for online these days. I used to like them coz they had interesting characters, settings, atmosphere, music and single player modes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 29 18:05:46 2019 No.5537251 >>5537184 What fun did you get out of them? Serious question. Like did you play for the story or something?

Anonymous Mon Apr 29 19:03:02 2019 No.5537390
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Single player in fighting games is literally worthless unless you're talking about training mode. Retarded jarpig weebs should stay in their lane and avoid talking about things they don't understand.

>MAN ZOOMERS ARE SO CASUAL I'M ALL ABOUT REAL GAMES LIKE RETRO GAMES DUDE
>ok what about playing them competitively and showing how non "casual" you are
>FUCK U TOURNEYFAG NOBODY CARES ABOUT ACTUAL SKILL IT'S ALL ABOUT THE CHARACTERS, THE STORY, BASED WAIFUS, AND SCANLINES

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 29 19:10:43 2019 No.5537403 >>5537390 Don't forget the music! Music is SO important!!!

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 30 16:20:23 2019 No.5539643 >>5536797 How so?

Anonymous Tue Apr 30 17:11:19 2019 No.5539725

>>5532165
I loved single player mode back in the day, but now I don't buy fighting games because I feel it'll just be way too stale and empty without any PVP experience. I vehemently hate anything to do with lag and I don't travel to play competitively or know of any sizeable local scenes, so I feel it'd be pretty pointless to play them anymore.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 30 17:20:07 2019 No.5539742 >>5539725 Netcode for modern fighters is pretty good if you're not concerned with only playing retro.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 30 17:29:14 2019 No.5539758 >>5532165 >playing a rock-paper-scissors game against the computer single-player in fighting games is the definition of retardation.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 30 18:45:27 2019 No.5539961 >>5539758 Zoomer cancer.

Anonymous Tue Apr 30 19:10:11 2019 No.5540005

>>5532165
None of my friends liked fighting games even though I adored them growing up so almost all my time was spent in singleplayer. Swear the fags who claim multiplayer is all that matters never grew up playing video games before online play became the norm.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 30 19:16:15 2019 No.5540026 A large portion of ego driven fighting game players you meet in tournaments, ranking battles, casuals are completely unfun assholes.Fighting games are about the whole package. And that includes single player arcade mode and fan service.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 30 19:20:16 2019 No.5540034 >>5534036 t. lazytard

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 30 19:20:29 2019 No.5540035 >>5539758 Huh

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 30 19:23:06 2019 No.5540045 No fighting game has developed AI that doesn't just read your inputs, so it's hot garbage.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 30 19:41:30 2019 No.5540084 >>5540045 What else should it do? No matter how, you will always be at a disadvantage against the machine.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 30 19:46:09 2019 No.5540105 >>5540084 I don't know what they can do, but something like Castlevania can be challenging without reading my inputs and reacting to every single thing that I throw out before I even throw it out.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 30 19:58:56 2019 No.5540153 >>5540034 Lazy?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 30 21:08:22 2019 No.5540279 the best things about fighting games are the pixel art/graphics and music so single player is the best way to play. A lot of times playing vs a real person will make you play on the same backgrounds/music over and over again which is shit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 30 21:32:28 2019 No.5540325 File: 184 KB, 709x709, 66643-street-fighter-alpha-3-sega-saturn-front-cover.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5532165 Easily my favorite fighting game here. I love playing through snk fighters like I watch 80s horror movoes.

Anonymous Wed May 1 00:00:55 2019 No.5540545

>>5536046
maybe because the programmig was so bad that the AI was made as a quarter eater until many times you lose and continue and triggers a new AI code that levels it down a little letting you pass.

i wonder if the same devs were ashamed and regret doing this

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 00:07:14 2019 No.5540561 >/shmupg/ constantly talks about single player in fighting games >They also don't know anything about games Answer is pretty obvious

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 14:10:16 2019 No.5541824 >>5540561 Shmupg is in full on rage mode all the time because it's a dead genre and fighters are still huge.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 14:16:10 2019 No.5541840 >>5541824 Genre isn't dead, still lots of devs both commercial and doujin, even new arcade releases

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 14:18:21 2019 No.5541846 >>5541840 What are some of your new favorites?

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