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[Anonymous No.5517823]

Is there any space ship design more perfect than the Arwing in Star Fox 64?

[Anonymous No.5517839]

>>5517823
Good games, but no, those fighters are homonormative.

[Anonymous No.5517842]

>>5517823
The X wing is the fighter that killed the death star. With an almost perfect balance of speed, maneuverability and defensive shields, this is the fighter of choice for rogue squadron.

[Anonymous No.5517852]

>>5517823
It's no Opa Opa or Vic Viper but it's aight I guess

[Anonymous No.5517856]

>>5517852
It's ugly. OP is a stack of tree limbs.

[Anonymous No.5517859]

>>5517842
The X-Wing isn't even the best ship in Star Wars.

[Anonymous No.5517865]

>>5517859
That's an odd looking B-Wing.

[Anonymous No.5517881]

>>5517856
It's a simple but effective and iconic design.

[Anonymous No.5517886]

>>5517881
It looks like a seagull that's been through too many storms. Good game, but ugly design.

[Anonymous No.5517887]

>>5517865
Absolutely patrician taste right here.

[Anonymous No.5517889]

>>5517887
Thanks, anon with intelligence. B-Wings are so underused. Rumor is that they cut footage of B-Wings slamming into DSII, but who knows.

[Anonymous No.5517893]

>>5517865
Nice homage to Japanese Zeros too. Look at the sun on their wings.

[Anonymous No.5517897]

>>5517856
>>5517886
Why not participate by posting ships you think are better than OP?

[Anonymous No.5517903]

>>5517897
I did, I posted the best one, the Best-Wing from the best SW film.

[Anonymous No.5517931]

chorensha is a pretty cool guy and doesn't afraid of anything

[Anonymous No.5517973]

>>5517823
Why didn't everyone just field arwings instead of all those weak shitty ships?

[Anonymous No.5517976]

>>5517903
not video games

[Anonymous No.5518018]

>>5517973
For the same reason that SpaceX has nicer rockets than NASA. Star Fox is a private, for-profit endeavor maintaining a very small number of ships. The Cornerian fleet is publicly funded by taxpayer dollars and consists of hundreds, possibly thousands of ships, so they just can't afford to mass produce ships as nice as the Arwings.

[Anonymous No.5518029]

>>5517823
Wolfen

[Anonymous No.5518031]

>>5517976
>not video games
>he never played X-Wing and its expansions

[Anonymous No.5518131]

>>5517859
My fuckin NIGGA!
>>5517865
I recognize that they're superior in armaments, but I've never liked either their look or their handling.

[Anonymous No.5518132]

>>5517859
I like the Snowspeeder myself, although I suppose it isn't a space ship per se.
>>5517897
That picture is fucking sweet. good thread OP

[Anonymous No.5518136]

More of a space factory than a space ship, but I love the Arc Hammer from Dark Forces.

[Anonymous No.5518138]

>>5518018
This is a dumb comparison. NASA wasn't created to fight alien invaders but the Cornerian fleet is. Do they actually state what you said anywhere, or is this just your head canon?

[Anonymous No.5518156]

>>5518138
What he's saying holds up. Team Star Fox are mercenaries. It's a reasonable explanation for why they have nicer ships than the Cornerian Army.

[Anonymous No.5518246]

>>5518138
>Do they actually state what you said anywhere, or is this just your head canon?
I suppose you'd call it headcanon, yeah. I'm just extrapolating the most logical explanation I can think of. Star Fox is a team of 4 people with 7 vehicles (1 capital ship, 1 tank, 1 submarine, 4 space-planes) and they work as mercenaries. All the money they bring in feeds/clothes them and then gets spent on maintaining and upgrading the small handful of ships they own. They don't work for small amounts of money, either. At the end of the game, General Pepper expresses varying degrees of shock at the bill, meaning that even he with his presumably high government defense budget thinks the amount Star Fox is charging is a lot of money and the bill is not paid lightly. The Cornerian army has to maintain much larger fleets and as such can't afford to spend extravagant amounts of money on any one ship. You have to imagine the exponentially increasing cost of building and maintaining not just 4 Arwings, but THOUSANDS of them. It just seems infeasible for them to have a whole army of Arwings out there.

[Anonymous No.5518256]

For when you just need things to fucking DIE...

[Anonymous No.5518257]

Also, this may be cheating, but I will use it...there just is no bigger FUCK YOU on the Imperial side(in fighter category, at least...)

[Anonymous No.5518623]

>>5517823
Arwing is a nice plane design


I’d honestly say that the box or orb design would be best since space has different rules than being inside an atmosphere

[Anonymous No.5518629]

>>5518132
Love it, so many good memories of playing battle of Hoth in SotE.

[Anonymous No.5518714]

>>5517823
Arwing looks like it looks because it was easy to render with very few polygons. It's not even a very pretty design, just does the job.

[Anonymous No.5518946]

>>5518257
The Assault Gunboat is just a shitty X-Wing

[Anonymous No.5518962]

[Anonymous No.5518983]

So, anyone who knows better than I: while the cockpit being nearer the rear of a spacefighter and the like looks cooler a lot of the time, and provides more room for a stylish nose, I'm going to assume you actually want the cockpit up front to minimize potential obstruction of your view, and to keep your vital parts further away from the engines in the case of critical failure? Confirm, deny?

[Anonymous No.5518993]

>>5517842
thanks doc

[Anonymous No.5519019]

>>5517823
Starfox 64 is probably my favorite N64 game and I think that looks like shit.

[Anonymous No.5519053]

>>5518962
It's a shame that so few games adopted that high resolution low poly aesthetic before everyone rushed on towards "m-muh realism". You mostly just see it in pre-rendered stuff like old laserdisc games and a handful of arcade titles.

[Anonymous No.5519295]

>>5517823
It's cool, but I think the original is the best

[Anonymous No.5519332]

>>5519295
i love how spindly it is

[Anonymous No.5519476]

>>5518983

Depends but overall in principle yes. You want as much overview over your terrain as possible. Ideally it should be like you float in space just like that, so the rest of the ship is behind you, pushing you forward.
But you always have to keep in mind that the design will be a mixture of this basic concept and physical necessities like balance, aerodynamics and the maximum stress on the pilot. Remember that in space weight may not be relevant- but MASS will always be! And the cockpit and pilot will be of nearly irrelevant mass in comparison, so you have to take into account how the ship will turn, which is dependant on where the center of mass is. Ideally you should always sit at the center point of rotations and other maneuvers which gives you best control, if sitting at the front for example a turn upwards would not just rotate you but also fling you vertically since you are sitting at the end of the lever, which quickly becomes disorientating. So you should be as close to the center of mass as possible- as you might notice the two things contradict each other, on one hand you should sit as close to the front as possible, on the other you should be at the center of mass. You have to find a compromise when designing your spaceship by finding the best middle ground considering other parameters. For example with the Arwing you know it will also often fly around on planets- so it has to be aerodynamical- see those blue things at the wings- those are the g-diffusers, they have to be as close to the pilot as possible but putting them at the front would make the thing very front- heavy and bulky, meaning its flight parameters in atmosphere would be horrible.

[Anonymous No.5521347]

>>5517823
fighters only, right?

aircraft-inspired: VF-1S in Roy Fokker colors
transformable: ditto
classic: Vic Viper
modern: F/A-37 Strega

[Anonymous No.5521391]

>>5517823
You can call me Mr. Contrarian, but I like the original one more. To me it's more evocative of a jet fighter, the one from 64 is too compact. After SNES would be Assault, then N64/Zero, then dog shit, then Adventures.

[Anonymous No.5521925]

>>5521391

It looks a bit too flimsy for my taste, i wouldn't trust its structural stability during complex maneuvers, especially at the point where the wings are attached. The N64 Arwing looks like a solid piece of spece tech, the wings look trustworthy.

[Anonymous No.5522134]

>>5517823
ALL OF THESE PLEBS SHIPS!
SHAME!

Bow before the Heart of thr Tiger and Destroyer of Kilrah, this ship was so damn good that its still serving 100 years after its 1st flight

[Anonymous No.5522178]

>>5518962
how to spot a japanese starfighter and ship design

[Anonymous No.5522207]

Einhander is the best.