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How do I get into dungeon crawlers?

>> No.5504235

>>5504231
Buy a big stack of graph paper and add to your map after every step.

>> No.5504262

>>5504231
Play Legend of Grimrock. If you like it, go digging into the retro catalog. If not, you're done.

Dungeon Master still holds up, Eye of the Beholder is also good...Dungeon Hack...Demise The Revelation...I haven't liked any others.

>> No.5504294

>>5504231
literally play your picrel

>> No.5504347

>>5504262
i got grimrock 1&2 and hated them both..so slow..retro ones seem to get right into it, without hours of build up. not sure if recommending grimrock as a starter dung crawler is good

>> No.5504365

>>5504347
I recommend that one since most of the older ones are way less forgiving, but yeah, Grimrock can be slow since it's taking its time to get you used to the way it plays I guess? Also, Grimrock has some nice mods and there's even a remake of Dungeon Master for it.

>> No.5505408

>>5504231
Grimoire: Heralds of the Winged Exemplar

>> No.5505464
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>>5504231
Start with Arx Fatalis

>> No.5505650

>>5504231
they say that beauty is in the Eye of the Beholder.

>> No.5505659
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5505659

This is the peak of dungeon crawlers

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>>5505650

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>>5505660
>>5505660
>>5505660
>>5505660
oh and Skeletons

>> No.5505693

>>5504231
honestly dungeon master is pretty fucking great if you don't like that try Phantasy star and if you don't like that either just give up

I mean I guess try megaten also

>> No.5505696

>>5505464
hey man, that's not a crawler

>> No.5505729

>>5505408
I've heard mixed things about this game anon, sell me on it please.

>> No.5506125

>>5504231
You put the game in, take up the controller, and play.

>> No.5506163

>>5505696
It's Ultima Underworld with better visuals.

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5506165

Don't mind me, just posting the greatest dungeon crawler of all time.

>> No.5506182

>>5505659
I disagree, but it was a very good game regardless. Combat's a bit too simplistic though, and I wish it had more puzzles.

>> No.5506201

>>5504231
I started with more modern games and worked backwards. The game that really got me interested in them is Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey on the ds. It's easier then old school dungeon crawlers but it's still challenging enough to create interest for new players.
>>5506165
Name of game? Looks cool.

>> No.5506204

>>5504231
you get down into the basement

>> No.5506207

>>5506201
shadow tower abyss

>> No.5506291

>>5504231
I started with Might & Magic III: Isles of Terra, its a very good entry title

>> No.5506336

>>5505729
it's the best blobber thalkind has ever created with over 600 hours of content

>> No.5506479

>>5505729
Shit doesn't even have a manual yet and is obtuse as fuck and not worth anyone's time.

>> No.5506489

>>5504231
Lands of Lore The Throne of Chaos is the easiest to get into.

>> No.5506503

>>5504235
How do I start charting, I am brainlet

>> No.5506873

>>5506336
>>5506479
I see.

>> No.5506876 [DELETED] 

Why are there so few with real-time combat?

>> No.5506893

>>5506876
I don't know, but Stonekeep and the Underworld games come to mind.

>> No.5507073

>>5506479
he released the manual in january
http://goldeneragames.com/Manual_GrimoireRPG_V2/

>> No.5507085

>>5505464
not really a crawler but still an incredible 9/10 game

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>>5505696
>>5507085
What's the difference that makes Arx Fatalis not a dungeon crawler? It didn't feel too different from UU 1 and 2.

>> No.5507861

>>5504231
you have to enjoy mapping out the dungeon more than actually playing the game.

>>5506503
>How do I start charting

the way I do it is every 4 squares represents a single in game square or step. Draw walls when you need to and just go from there. add whatever notes you want, tape more graph paper together if the dungeon is bigger than your single sheet. Before I threw them out I used dungeon maps with my stupidass notes on them as posters after I finished a game. Good conversation piece when friends came by since people would ask me what my weirdass notes were or why the hell I drew a random crab

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>>5504231
literally by diving right into em OP

>Wizardry Series if you like your dungeon delving for less story more focus on "pure" combat & delving through the catacombs and skeletons

>Might & Magic for expansive world with a journey of player made characters that get's plain crazy the farther along you go

Honorable Mentions goes to Realms of Arkania & much more recently Grimoire

>> No.5508251

This seems like a good thread to ask.
I was thinking of giving the Might and Magic series a try, but there's a load of games in it.
Are they all worth playing, any that warrants a pass?
From what i gather, 4-6 are somewhat connected, same with 7-8.

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>>5506503
I've been using this map an anon posted a while ago, you just bucket fill in the lines for doors or switches and the squares for hallways.
For games with huge ass maps like later Wizardry I just make shitty ms paint maps though, you miss some secrets doing it but I can't be asked.

>> No.5508384

>>5508251
They are all connected. For example the default party member from 3 play a very important role in 7.
But you can play all the games while ignoring the plot.

>> No.5509876

>>5505659
for some reason I could never get this to work well when using an emulator for me?

>> No.5510362

>>5506489
it's fucking brutal though
and those fucking drarical's caves - was it supposed to be copy-protection?

>> No.5510371

>>5504231
not every dungeon crawler takes place in a dungeon,try spacehulk

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>>5504231
start with wizardry 8 m8

>> No.5511489

>>5511459
thats wiz 7 in your pic tho.

Also public service announcement, DO NOT PLAY WIZARDRY. DOESNT MATTER WHICH GAME, JUST AVOID IT AT ALL COSTS. IT'S UNFORGIVING, THE GRIND IS ENDLESS, AND NOT REWARDING AT ALL. THE ONLY KIND OF PEOPLE DRAWN INTO WIZ GAMES ARE PEOPLE WITH NO SELF RESPECT

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Am I a casual for rebinding the controls in King's Field to make it play more like a console FPS? I don't mind the default controls that much, but it's just so much smoother and faster when you can actually use the analog sticks to look.

>> No.5511515 [DELETED] 

>>5511498
In Shadow Tower Abyss there's an option scheme where you can use the left stick to move/strafe and the right stick to look around.

>> No.5512118
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This is the best and only modern dungeon crawler series with any teeth.

>> No.5512487

>>5511489
That's because grinding isn't a solution in Wizardry. You actually have to play smart and wisely.

>> No.5512490

>>5512487
you can't escape random endless encounters

>> No.5512493

>>5512490
There are clear patterns to the encounters, they are rarely random.

>> No.5512497

>>5512493
on wiz 7? Hell no. I quit wiz 7 several times because i couldnt stand random encounters anymore. Not to mention when you get ambushed and one shot.

>> No.5512521

>>5512497
Because Wizardry 7 is retarded and added fixed encounters every two steps even when you are overland.
The other Wizardry games aren't like that.

>> No.5512527

>>5512521
yes wiz 7 is insufferable, i think it was a major mistake being the first wiz game i played

>> No.5512873

>>5511489
wiz 8 is mighty fine
there is still an issue with random battles at the infamous Arnica Road
But a) there is a mod that fixes that I believe b) yeah it's bad, but you can get through it even in vanilla wiz 8, it's just more running away than fighting until you reach lvl 14 or so and get cool gear and spells

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5512890

>>5504231
Brandish is low-key the best dungeon crawler and it pretty much blows shit like ultima underworld away by having succinct progression and satisfying combat and puzzles.

>> No.5512896

>>5512890
And the better ones in the series are japanese computer only driving all the normies away

>> No.5513175

What's /vr/'s opinion on Grid Cartographer? I didn't know it existed until a few days ago and it looks useful.

>> No.5513234

>>5504347
They are meant to be slow you fucking retard
KYS

>> No.5513237

>>5512118
holy hell go away, fag.

>> No.5513732

>>5504231
Shining in the darkness

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>> No.5515054

>>5504231
Play the Might & Magic series from 3 through 8.
Ghey're the most accesible, fun settingwise, not grindy and does new fresh shit every other game or so.

>> No.5515059

>>5513175
Gamer edition is alright.
Pro was kind of shit for making tabletop maps tho.

>> No.5515150

>>5510362
No, but it's dickish. I only managed to beat them once, since I didn't remember how I did it before.
Dunno, overall it's not that hard. I'd say a bit harder than anvil of the dawn, which is quite easy.

>> No.5517004

>>5513237
It's literally wizardry with anime, and its popularity has created tons of imitators. There wouldn't even be any modern dungeon crawlers without Etrian.

>> No.5517225

>>5511498
I do the same thing with Armored Core and it makes the game play like butter. Not sure about how difficult it is, since I'm sure it was built around its own janky controls, though.

>> No.5517230

>>5512896
Brandish 3 is the only one wirth playing since you actually have multiple characters to play instead of the generic dude, like muscle bitch or based Dela Delon.

>> No.5517939

>>5517004
>It's literally wizardry with anime
So Wizardry?

>> No.5517942

>>5517939
Except without the anime.

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>>5504231
I started with Ultima Underworld and it was fine desu, I'm not a huge retro PC gamer but it was a really neat experience. It's also an Inmersive Sim, so it's great if you're into that; making notes to learn the Lizardman language is fun.
ther than that, I think that Wizardry VI is not bad. It's not the easiest game in the world but if you're able to build a half-decent party you're bound to have a lot of fun.

>> No.5518048

>>5504231
play stonekeep
its easy to get into and literally the best there ever was

>> No.5518051

>>5518048
My mother fucking nigga

>> No.5518054

>>5517942
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOTHNoODYmY&t=2589s

>> No.5518058

>>5518054
Yes. And Sekaijuu no Meikyuu has no anime.

>> No.5518078

>>5518048
Game has some great atmosphere straight out of the gate.

>> No.5518326

>>5504231
Go to a local bar or night club, once there create fellow adventurers in a balanced party, go to Walmart to buy armor, weapons and healing items, and then go down the sewer grate to the first level of dungeons. Easy!

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>>5518326