/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.5502486]

What are some must try Pinball machines?

[Anonymous No.5502498]

>>5502486
The Simpsons, number one answer on the board

[Anonymous No.5502528]

>>5502498
noice. Other recs? I am going to this hall that has at least 100 machines

[Anonymous No.5502536]

>>5502486
I wasted hours on Black Knight 2000, that machine will fuck you up. The digital recreations are 100x easier.

Also I loved Medieval Madness, to the point were I could easily reach and clear 'Battle for the Kingdom'

[Anonymous No.5502540]

>>5502486
Of the ones not mentioned I would say definitely White Water and Bride of Pinbot.

[Anonymous No.5502547]

>>5502536
GIVE ME YOUR MONEY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FASUZRYs0fM

[Anonymous No.5502618]

Star Trek: The Next Generation is a ton of fun.

[Anonymous No.5502627]

>>5502486
Is there a pinball video game/simulator that is accurate enough to get decent at pinball games without blowing a bunch of quarters?

[Anonymous No.5502631]

>>5502540
>Bride of Pinbot
Came in here to post this. Glad to see another anon of culture.

[Anonymous No.5502664]

>>5502486
My personal favorite is Black Rose but that center lane eats up an infuriating amount of balls.

Creature from the Black Lagoon and Scared Stiff are other two of my favorites.

[Anonymous No.5502680]

>>5502486
Be sure to bring some high fidelity earplugs so you don't suffer permanent hearing loss and tinnitus.

[Anonymous No.5502695]

>>5502486
just pirate Pinball Arcade bro

[Anonymous No.5502707]

>>5502680
Too late, I already have both of those things anyway.

[Anonymous No.5502718]

>>5502707
You can prevent it getting worse so you're not unpleasant to everyone else by shouting constantly when you're older.

[Anonymous No.5502817]

>>5502695
Some of us prefer real machines

[Anonymous No.5502826]

>>5502536
I've never gotten battle for the kingdom, but I got #3 all-time high score at a nearby arcade last night. I was 51,000,000 only like 500,000 from #1.

[Anonymous No.5502857]

I have a strong nostalgia for the Data East Star Wars pinball, but it's made pretty much only for casuals and pros hate it without modding.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pk-Zz1G_X8

[Anonymous No.5502874]

>>5502817
I like playing the machines until I ace them on PA and later visit the actual table only to realize I suck testicles

[Anonymous No.5502923]

>>5502498
>Not The Addams Family
Strike!

[Anonymous No.5502993]

PIN-BOT circuits activated!

[Anonymous No.5503147]

>>5502486
>above top tier
FunHouse
Medieval Madness
The Adams Family
Twilight Zone

>top tier
Black Knight
Black Knight 2000
High Speed
The Getaway: High Speed II
Terminator 2: Judgment Day
Star Trek: The Next Generation
Comet
Cyclone
Hurricane
White Water
Theatre of Magic

>great tier
Cirqus Voltaire
Scared Stiff
Monster Bash
Tales of the Arabian Nights
Attack from Mars
Fish Tales

>AESTHETICS tier
Creature from the Black Lagoon

[Anonymous No.5503313]

So, did you play Willy Wonka yet? I almost got Gobstopper multiball twice on my 2nd crack at it. Player 1 was my score.

[Anonymous No.5503314]

>>5503313
I also collected all 5 characters in Munsters on my first try ever playing it, and I also had a great run on Alice Cooper's Nightmare Castle. Man I'd love to be able to play ACNC more.

[Anonymous No.5503502]

How to find pinball and pinball tournaments in your area:
US, Canada, Australia, Japan
https://pinballmap.com/
Worldwide:
https://pinside.com/pinball/map
Europe:
https://findapinball.com/en/
Tournaments:
Depending on where you live, there may be a facebook group for fans in your area.
Pinball Simulators that will give you a free virtual pin or two as a sample:
Pinball Fx 3
Zaccaria
Pinball Arcade
Stern Pinball Arcade

>>5502627
It's a good place to start. You can learn some techniques, but not others. The physics in the Pinball FX 3 Williams tables are the best I've tried.
There's also these techniques:
https://www.deadflip.com/tutorials/
Dead flip is the easiest and probably most important.
Some pinball places charge a flat fee for the day instead of per game, so go to one of those if there's one near you.

[Anonymous No.5503568]

>>5502627
Another way to get good is by watching good people play on youtube.
https://pinballvideos.com/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=14743&v=QFwfFlZ08vs

[Anonymous No.5503570]

>>5502631
Where's this GIF from? Are there gifs for other pinball machines?

[Anonymous No.5503572]

>>5502680
You're thinking of pachinko, anon.
>>5503314
Munsters is a lot of fun. Weird fuckin' thing to license in 2019 though.

[Anonymous No.5503589]

I only played pc and consoles. Actual pinball seems boring to me.

[Anonymous No.5503616]

>>5503589
That's most unfortunate. I find pinball to be just as engaging and interesting as any of the best arcade games.

[Anonymous No.5503696]

>>5503313
I gotta say, I'm not thrilled with the playfield art. Some artwork works really well with still frames from the source material, Batman '66 for example, but it's not really working for me on the Willy Wonka

[Anonymous No.5503706]

>>5503696
Batman 66 uses art drawn in a photorealistic style, I'm pretty sure. This pinball machine uses actual photos. People usually prefer the former and don't like actual stills.
Photorealistic style:
Batman 66
Pirates of the Caribbean
Guardians of the Galaxy
The Beatles

Photos:
Willy Wonka
Star Wars (Stern)

[Anonymous No.5503716]

>>5503589
>>5503616
Possible unpopular opinion coming thru:
pinball is the best form of gaming in existence

[Anonymous No.5503717]

>>5503589
this is why the internet needs age verification

[Anonymous No.5503729]

Hook is pretty fun.

[Anonymous No.5503754]

>>5502486
Metallica, eight ball deluxe, ac/dc, walking dead, pretty much everything stern post-2013 except wrestlemania

[Anonymous No.5503757]

>too far from any place with a pinball machine
>PC is too much of a toaster to even run the good sims
>apartment is too small to fit an machine anywhere and on the third floor
I can only lament over my envy for the people here that don't live in the shit parts of America.

[Anonymous No.5503758]

>>5502486
who even was elvira? A pinup model? A tv character?

[Anonymous No.5503764]

>>5503757
Whereabouts do you live?

[Anonymous No.5503771]

>>5503706
I can't tell with Batman 66 because the show was filmed to look so comicbooky

[Anonymous No.5503779]

>>5502486
I really like Rocky and Bullwinkle.

[Anonymous No.5503780]

>>5503764
Norfolk, Virginia.

[Anonymous No.5503781]

>>5503314
The place I played Alice Cooper at was so dark it was pretty hard to see anything on the board. Same with Rob Zombie. I'm not really dark games.

[Anonymous No.5503783]

>>5503757
I try to fly a couple times a year to visit the Museum of Pinball in banning. Only 3 days and usually very packed though.

[Anonymous No.5503785]

>>5503764
I still can't believe we had both a Sega and Capcom pinball division and we got absolutely ZERO pins based on resident evil, sonic, or something

[Anonymous No.5503795]

>>5503785
Yeah. There was a Street Fighter pin, but it was made by Gottlieb. And most people say it wasn't very good.
Here's my pinball based on vidya CYOA. Use points to build your collection.
As you can see, I forgot Spy Hunter. Sorry Gomez!

[Anonymous No.5503797]

>>5503785
Sonic just makes so much sense. There are bumpers, ramps, loops, etc. all built in to the franchise already.

[Anonymous No.5503807]

>>5503780
https://pinside.com/pinball/map/mapbox?f=locations#10/36.8499/-76.2864/0/26
Here are some places to play pinball in and around Norfolk.

>>5503795
>>5503785
There was a Megaman redemption-style game in Japan. Here's the flyer.

>>5503797
I couldn't agree more. That rollercoaster on the left side of White Water would be great for a sonic theme.

[Anonymous No.5504030]

Black Hole

[Anonymous No.5504265]

>>5503758
She was a character used mainly for a weekly TV show called Elvira's Movie Macabre, which basically played B horror films that she would commentate on.

[Anonymous No.5504275]

>>5504265
Fuck I miss how good TV used to be...

[Anonymous No.5504323]

>>5503589
Underage posting isn't allowed here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWPO0RlmtLo

[Anonymous No.5504326]

>>5502486
South Park is by far the best.

[Anonymous No.5504328]

>>5503757
>>5503780
Drive down to Flippers in Grandy, NC. It's about an hour from you at most and they have basically any machine you would want to play.

[Anonymous No.5504569]

>>5502695
The physics modeling in PA is ass.

[Anonymous No.5504626]

>>5504569
This
>make any weak shot towards the ramp in Creature from the Black Lagoon
>almost never rolls back down, just gets sucked up the ramp as if a vacuum cleaner was pulling it along
many such cases

[Anonymous No.5504828]

I'm trying to find a pinball machine I used to play going over to a friend of the family's house.

It was carnival themed with a triple-ball gimmick. I think the table had something like a design with kids on it and a ringmaster / carnival owner that look menacing. Maybe there was a full grown woman too? This had to be pre-2000.

[Anonymous No.5504848]

>>5504828
>carnival themed
Comet, Cyclone, or Hurricane?
>with a triple-ball gimmick
No idea on that part.

[Anonymous No.5504884]

>>5504828
In addition to the ones he mentioned, there's funhouse and Cirqus Voltaire. Pinball Magic and Theatre of Magic are both magic themed, which could in theory be misremembered as carnival themed.

[Anonymous No.5504901]

>>5504848
>>5504884
It's one of those things where they seem familiar, but there isn't a sense of deja vu kicking in. I may not remember even if I do (or already have seen it), so I guess I should just drop it. C'est la vie.

[Anonymous No.5505129]

>>5503502
thx, ill check it out. A few bars i know have machines but i want to get some basics first

[Anonymous No.5505306]

>>5503716
That is an unquestionably true statement.

[Anonymous No.5505410]

For that anon who said he wanted there to be a Beetlejuice pin, this was just posted.

[Anonymous No.5505745]

>>5504626
It's got tons of stuff where balls always behaving in what feels like "pre-recorded" ways around certain playfield objects, like rolling down upper playfield access/exit slopes in exact same manner no matter what speed or angle they enter said ramp.
Then there's the overall weird floatiness and slipperiness, as if there isn't enough friction to anything on the tables, including the flippers, which really ruins the handling. The tables being recreations of actual pinball machines doesn't help with broken illusion of realism either. A damn shame, because the game physics feels like they could actually be quite nice, if just tweaked and polished properly. As if FarSight got the physics to a certain point of completion and then just said "fuck it, close enough, now let's crank out those tables and make some goddamn money!"
Oh well, guess revamping or even tweaking the physics would mean a shit ton of adjustments and playtesting would be needed to ensure all the tables play properly.

Plus, the last time I gave the game a try they still hadn't gotten around to implementing proper keyboard nudging. Sure, analog stick nudging with gamepads is neat, but I just like the feel of keyboard better for virtual pinballing. And how does nudging work? 1 press, no matter what kind --> 1 full-force nudge. No finesse, no control, nothing. It's always full smacks or nothing. It's not like variable force nudging with a keyboard hasn't been perfected since the mid-90s or something...

[Anonymous No.5505770]

>>5503313
What the fuck, why am I just learning about this table now?

[Anonymous No.5505828]

>>5505770
It was just announced last friday.

[Anonymous No.5505878]

>>5502486
I've gotten some of those vidego game conversion of pinball games they sell on the nintendo market, so many lame gimmicks like time limits, score limits, selling games for high prices because of brand names, packs of games that are somehow crippled like above, etc.

[Anonymous No.5506071]

>>5505878
Pinball Fx 3, Zaccaria, Pinball Arcade, and Stern Pinball Arcade all come with a free table. And full reign of that table.

[Anonymous No.5506583]

I'm kinda interested in Black Knight 2000; how hard is it to get one in western Europe, and for how much?

My father bought Banzai Run in the 90's, and I really had a ton of fun with it.

[Anonymous No.5506602]

>>5502618
Sweet, the pinball museum I'm going to has that table available for play.
Someone mentioned black knight 2000, is the 1980 model any good?

[Anonymous No.5506685]

>>5502923
addams is the most overated shit heap ever, it's popularity comes entirely from its amss presence due to being tied to the marketing of the film and being placed everywhere in cinemas etc.

>>5503147
just another pleb copy pasting the same old shit, i bet you're a shit player.

[Anonymous No.5506993]

>>5506602
The 1980 Black Knight is interesting. It was definitely great for its time. Some people still like it, depending on their taste. It's worth a play, at least. If I was going to a pinball place for the first time (and I didn't already know which games were popular), I'd just play whatever looks interesting and not worry too much about the "must-plays". With that said, you can look at how the games are ranked on Pinside. Or ask someone who works there.
https://pinside.com/pinball/top-100
Pinside also probably has a list of the games at that location on its map.
https://pinside.com/pinball/map
Pinballmap.com also works.

>>5506685
This could be some sort of sports manga plotline where we get into a fight about the virtues of addams and have a pinball match to settle our differences. Like in Hikaru No Go or something.

>>5506583
All I know is that everybody says not to buy a pinball machine on ebay.

[Anonymous No.5507539]

It makes me really happy to see Stern put out good games because I'm so used to them pumping out mediocre, forgettable titles.
I really hope the new Black Knight is great.

[Anonymous No.5507919]

>>5506993
Black Knight is still among the best ever.

[Anonymous No.5508154]

Has anyone here played on a virtual pinball machine? How awful is it?

[Anonymous No.5508209]

never played but wanted to bang. But only place where they had a huge collection of pinball machines fell into the fucking sea then burned down. Fucking Jersey.

[Anonymous No.5508281]

All 3 pop bumpers of my father's pinball stopped working at the same time. I have zero pinball knowledge (but I have basic arcade knowledge), is there anything I should for when I open it up?

[Anonymous No.5508283]

>>5507539
What new Black Knight?

[Anonymous No.5508332]

>>5508283
The one Stern is making.

[Anonymous No.5508419]

>>5507539
I got to play both the Pro and Premium versions at MGC and I gotta say they played great. Easily some of the best I've seen out of Stern since LotR. I also have to admit I liked how the Pro version flowed better.

[Anonymous No.5508496]

>>5508332
I didn't know pinballs were still being made.

[Anonymous No.5508504]

>>5508496
They never stopped. And there are more companies producing machines now than there were just 10 years ago.

[Anonymous No.5508506]

>>5508504
But are they still basically what they were in the 80's/90's, or are there more to it? Stuff like I don't know, mini-games on a screen when you do some stuff, etc...

[Anonymous No.5508798]

>>5508154
I'm currently building one, it depends on how well the table is made and which version of Visual Pinball the table was made in. I will say that they are a ton of fun but accuracy varies a lot from table to table compared to the real versions

[Anonymous No.5508802]

>>5508506
Those mini-games are called video modes.
Here's one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45cF0QMWO7w
Big changes since the 90s:
LCD screens instead of dot matrix displays
RGB lighting on the inserts
Game design has evolved somewhat. Deeper rules.

[Anonymous No.5508820]

>>5502486
One of my favorites not posted here yet is Champion Pub. There's upper deck training areas where you jump rope or hit punching bags and there's this big dude in the middle who flips around and you gotta beat the hell out of him. Very fun, I've dumped so many quarters into that machine.

[Anonymous No.5508843]

Was there a definitive "best" pinball company, like Williams, Bally, Gottlieb, Midway...?

[Anonymous No.5508848]

>>5508843
>Was there a definitive "best" pinball company
IMO it was Williams but the absolute best is probably still Williams

[Anonymous No.5508856]

>>5508843
In the 90s, Bally Williams was the same company. They just published their games under two different labels. People really like Bally Williams. They ruled the 90s. There are a lot of people who talk about how modern games suck compared to the 90s output of Bally Williams, but that opinion is becoming less and less popular.

[Anonymous No.5508868]

>>5508843
Bally/Williams IMO is still the best but Jersey Jack, Spooky, and even Stern have been killing it lately.

[Anonymous No.5508919]

>>5506993
if we have a pinball match you'll lose.

[Anonymous No.5509010]

>>5508919
If you're in Toronto or the San Francisco Bay Area, I'll take you up on that. Are you going to Golden State Pinball Festival?

[Anonymous No.5510984]

Saving this thread from oblivion!

[Anonymous No.5511435]

>>5510984
Did someone say girls and pinball?!

Very specific innovations that were used and then reused precisely once:
The fan topper from Whirlwind was reused in Twister
The visor from Attack from Mars was reused for Spider-man (not counting Jackbot/Pinbot)
The Power-ball from Twilight Zone was reused for Avatar LE
U-turn ramp was used by Fishtales, and then again in The Hobbit.
Hyperspeed loop was first used in Nascar. Maybe it was used another time, IDK.
The crane from Batman TDK was reused in Batman 66
To my knowledge, Ghostbusters LE and Dialed In are the only games to use holograms.
Avengers and Deadpool both have that Black Widow ramp.
And of course, Funhouse and Road Show

[Anonymous No.5511446]

>>5511435
>Excuse me sluts, you're blocking Jurassic Park. I had next.

[Anonymous No.5511464]

>>5511446
http://i.imgur.com/MDiaIQo.gif
Gif too big, I'm just going to link it.

[Anonymous No.5511753]

>>5511435
>To my knowledge, Ghostbusters LE and Dialed In are the only games to use holograms
How could you have forgotten Creature from the Black Lagoon?

[Anonymous No.5512482]

>>5502486
Ac/dc & A nightmare on elm st.

[Anonymous No.5512631]

>>5511435
The magnetic center ball save was reused for Alice Cooper's Nightmare Castle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Po9WhlGAw8I

And the upcoming Alice in Wonderland is going to have an upper playfield similar to the "Battle the Power" on Twilight Zone.

[Anonymous No.5512638]

>>5512631
Gaze upon it!

[Anonymous No.5512778]

>>5512631
What's the game where you can press a button to have the center post kick balls back up?

[Anonymous No.5513032]

>>5511435
>The crane from Batman TDK was reused in Batman 66
Isn't Batman 66 essentially a reskin of TDK with (obvisously) a different ruleset? Or do they just look extremely similar?

[Anonymous No.5513048]

>>5513032
It's mostly a reskin, but not as egregious as family guy/shrek

[Anonymous No.5513089]

>>5513032
It's the same layout, but there's enough differences between the two. I'd say they're about as similar to each other as Attack From Mars is similar to Medieval Madness.

[Anonymous No.5513753]

>>5513032
Why is Stern so content with mediocracy

[Anonymous No.5513763]

>>5513753
Being the only kid in town for the better part of a decade makes you complacent. Luckily it looks like they're starting to get whipped back into shape, especially if they keep making new pins like Iron Maiden or Black Knight 3.

[Anonymous No.5513992]

>>5513753
Because they have very little if any competition.

[Anonymous No.5514097]

>>5508820
Champion Pub is great. Arcade near me had one for 25 cent play but they swapped it out last month for a Game of Thrones machine. I was great at the jump rope minigame.

[Anonymous No.5514152]

>>5502486
I probably spent over $500 bucks on a monopoly pinball table in my local drive bar but it doesn't get a lot of love from enthusiasts.

My favorite emulator pin is monster bash

[Anonymous No.5514685]

>>5502486
I listened to a podcast interview from a while back with Tim Arnold, owner and operator of the pinball hall of fame in Las Vegas. And he seemed like he had a surprisingly sour personality. Not that sourness is a bad thing necessarily, but it made me sad that he didn't seem to be taking much pleasure from life. But he just posted on pinside that business is booming, and that made me happy for him! Yay!
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/why-pinball-is-prospering

[Anonymous No.5514695]

>>5514685
Oh wait. 10 days before that he posted:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/why-pinball-is-failing
So maybe there's an element of facetiousness here that I didn't get.

[Anonymous No.5515817]

Attack On Mars Special Edition is really good. Probably one of my favorite machines at the moment and for a remake they hit it on the nose

[Anonymous No.5516202]

>>5513763
Not only that with new pin companies surfacing and starting to get a foot in they gotta improve.

[Anonymous No.5517991]

[Anonymous No.5518024]

>>5502486
God I wanna fuck Elvira's tits

[Anonymous No.5518404]

>>5518024
There's a third Elvira pin in development by Stern btw.

[Anonymous No.5518740]

What game has the best spinner sound?

[Anonymous No.5519638]

>>5518740
I like the spinner sounds on JJP Pirates. Mostly the upper playfield spinners