/vr/ CRT THREAD - Throwback Edition

[Anonymous No.5495125]

Previous thread: >>5469065

These threads are for the civil discussion of CRT displays (TVs and monitors) as used for retro video games and systems allowed by the board rules in the current sticky (>>1392415). Subtopics *directly* related to this main topic are welcome.

Cheers! /crt/ go go go!

>go

[Anonymous No.5495129]

PVMs really are nice in their own way, but I prefer the look of a slot mask with composite video.

[Anonymous No.5495132]

- CRTs are no longer produced because they have inferior picture quality versus LCDs
- CRTs emit dangerous levels of X-rays or other forms of radiation
- CRTs always have easily-visible flicker
- CRTs always cause eyestrain
- CRTs always make a high-pitched squealing noise
- CRTs contain lethal amounts of electricity, even when unplugged
- CRTs need calibration more than two to three times a year
- Overall CRT black levels are not superior to LCDs because ambient light ruins CRT black levels
- Analog CRTs have more processing time than digital LCDs due to poor RAMDAC performance
- Afterimages caused by phosphor decay are extremely annoying and are a significant downside of CRTs
- Sending an improper mode (resolution or refresh rate) to a CRT can cause permanent damage
- CRTs cannot have touchscreens
- 4:3 is so bad that nobody should use a non-widescreen CRT
- The Sony GDM-FW900 is the only CRT worth owning
- Curved CRTs have objectively inferior picture quality versus flat CRTs with otherwise equal specifications
- CRTs should not be used because they are heavier and deeper than LCDs
- CRTs have severe reflections because they do not have matte coats
- CRTs can be permanently damaged by nearby magnets
- Analog signals limit a CRT's resolutions and refresh rates and negatively effect picture quality
- Heavy metals are used in CRT glass to reduce radiation

[Anonymous No.5495284]

[Anonymous No.5495473]

Any idea what might be wrong with this set? Is it fixable?

[Anonymous No.5495487]

>>5495473
its old. needs new caps.

[Anonymous No.5495489]

when did component and s-video cables for the playstation get so damn expensive?
I hate it all. I don't wanna pay 50 dollars for decent cables.

[Anonymous No.5495501]

>>5495489
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-Playstation-TV-AV-Connection-S-Video-Cable-Lead-for-PS1-PS2-PS3-Gold-Plated/231133017325?hash=item35d099f4ed:g:y0gAAOSwQTVV8rdm

[Anonymous No.5495516]

>>5495132

I’ve never read so much complete horseshit in 1 post. Good job anon

[Anonymous No.5495520]

>>5495489
Phony PlayShitStation is best suffered with composite video so dithering effects work as intended. It's not historically accurate to play anything before the sixth generation with cables that didn't come with it.

[Anonymous No.5495523]

>>5495516
Reddit did all the work for me.

https://www.reddit.com/r/GloriousCRTMasterRace/wiki/misconceptions

[Anonymous No.5495545]

>>5495487
How certain are you? Are they difficult to replace?

[Anonymous No.5495549]

>>5495545
If you need to ask that, you'll kill yourself trying. Cut your losses, give it to someone who knows what's up, find another.

[Anonymous No.5495584]

>>5495520
But PS1 came with RGB SCART in cool dude regions

[Anonymous No.5495594]

>>5495584
The games are region locked so it's historically accurate only in those regions.

[Anonymous No.5495596]

>>5495501
good shout. It's actually cheaper to ship them here to burgerland than to buy any of them domestically.

[Anonymous No.5495609]

>>5495549
I know they have high voltage, I’m just asking if it’s feasible to do

[Anonymous No.5495620]

Crt's are known to emit poisonous, radioactive gas. Dont be retarded buy an LCD like anyone else.

[Anonymous No.5495635]

>>5495132
>>5495620
does your mommy know you're posting this early?

[Anonymous No.5495641]

>>5495635
2000 is a big round number

[Anonymous No.5495649]

Decent consumer CRTs are even becoming harder to find. I already have a few but I still check for Trinitrons or D-Series JVCs.

[Anonymous No.5495656]

>>5495649
Most games look better on slot masks.

[Anonymous No.5495659]

>>5495656
I like to have both, but my point is that highly regarded consumer sets are dwindling on social media classifieds. At this point, I guess it's not surprising.

[Anonymous No.5495663]

>>5495659
Capitalism is often inefficient like that because no one has perfect information and all humans are irrational.

[Anonymous No.5495665]

>>5495663
especially that last one

[Anonymous No.5495671]

>>5495663
Good thing that planned economies completely counteract cognitive bias, am I right?

[Anonymous No.5495672]

>>5495671
I'm no tankie

[Anonymous No.5495676]

>>5495671
Why so defensive? We're just talking about the weather, not condemning it.

[Anonymous No.5495682]

>>5495671
being critical of capitalism != being a commie tankie

[Anonymous No.5495695]

>>5495671
I would not have wanted to live in the the USSR, but even that could be argued a success. It rapidly industrialized a nation of serfs, and the CIA estimated the average citizen was taking in as many calories as an american, with greater nutrient content.

Yourself is all you can meaningfully compete with, because everyone is playing a different game.

[Anonymous No.5495825]

leftists? in my CRT thread?

[Anonymous No.5495830]

>>5495609
It's feasible if and only if you're already competent at soldering and desoldering. It has small surface mount components that a noob will utterly destroy.

[Anonymous No.5495845]

are the JVC broadcast monitors without RGB any good?
It only has composite and s-video, this is the version without the card slot so no RGB unless some major soldering happens.

>>5495825
liberals aren't leftist amerifat

[Anonymous No.5495862]

>>5495845
>i'm a degenerate but i don't want to be labeled as such
At least your average liberal has enough balls to own up to it. You can't even do that.

[Anonymous No.5495867]

>>5495845
The left can't meme

[Anonymous No.5495879]

>>5495825
Yes.
>>5495845
Correct.
>>5495862
Leftists are not that far right.

[Anonymous No.5495975]

>>5495879
Niggers? NOT WELCOME.
Spics? NOT WELCOME.
Kikes? NOT WELCOME.
Tranny faggots? NOT WELCOME.
Janny? NOT. WELCOME.

[Anonymous No.5495981]

Which one should I get?

[Anonymous No.5495987]

>>5495981
Both.

[Anonymous No.5496002]

>>5495981
Left has component, right has better geometry

[Anonymous No.5496003]

>>5495981
Right. Sony flat screens are shit. They have more in common with a low end LCD of the era than a CRT.

[Anonymous No.5496004]

lmao not even gypsies would take away crt's from the trash anymore.

this board is pure autism.

[Anonymous No.5496009]

>>5495523

Source checks out

[Anonymous No.5496040]

Death to CRTs

[Anonymous No.5496054]

>>5496003
Please do elaborate. My initial thought is that you're full of shit.

[Anonymous No.5496084]

>>5496040
But why?

[Anonymous No.5496105]

>>5495132
lol you sure as hell are an eurofag to have visible flicker on your crt and such a bad taste for displays

[Anonymous No.5496110]

>>5496004
This is an important consideration for anyone who wants to mimic the life choices of gypsies

>>5496003
And this is just all wrong

[Anonymous No.5496112]

>>5496084
>Covered heads
>Visible retard attitude
they are probably muslim, one of the needs to be muslim is being dumb, they doing that cuz they dumb.

[Anonymous No.5496124]

>>5495132
>- CRTs are no longer produced because they have inferior picture quality versus LCDs
Stopped reading there. Completely wrong

[Anonymous No.5496201]

>>5496084
Probably saw a news story about a Mohammed cartoon and flipped their shit

[Anonymous No.5496204]

>>5496004
LCDfag cope

[Anonymous No.5496230]

What's the best way to calibrate the image on a CRT? I'm really bad at judging good color/brightness/contrast levels by just looking at a game or movie. I need something with more objective measures (adjust brightness until this part looks like this, adjust contrast until that part looks like that, etc). Any suggestions?

[Anonymous No.5496232]

Anyone have suggestions for a good CRT for 480i/480p gaming? I have a 14inch PVM but I want something a little bigger for my Ps2.

[Anonymous No.5496234]

>>5496230
240p test suite rom if you have an Everdrive

[Anonymous No.5496254]

>>5496230
what >>5496234 said or if not, emulate it with a pi zero and connect the pi zero via composite

[Anonymous No.5496258]

>>5494679
I use HDR cables for my Genesis, Saturn, & SNES. It is well worth it in my opinion to avoid SCART at all costs, as I'm in America and don't want to bother with scouring eBay for decent switchers and having to scout for good quality cables. I have four Component consoles hooked up to one switcher, so it is definitely worth not having to implement some expensive RGB switch. Cables might be double the price of a good SCART connector, but I think it might actually be cheaper since Component switchers are much more common. Also in case my PVM explodes, I will have no trouble hooking up to a consumer set or even an LCD if I needed to for some reason.

[Anonymous No.5496259]

>>5496234
>>5496254
I have an N64 Everdrive, but I can't find a 240p test suite rom for N64. Does that exist, or would an NES rom through the Everdrive 64's NES emulator work just as well?

[Anonymous No.5496268]

>>5496003
This is wrong. An SD flat screen brings 90% of the best things in CRT technology. They're typically more modern so they have more features and really good picture. Only problem they have is the flat screens leads to minor geometry issues. They will more or less never be perfect but if you can live with some slight linearity issues you'll be fine.

t. former owner of a 24" WEGA. Pic related.

[Anonymous No.5496280]

>>5496259
It exists. Not sure where to find it though.

[S A M A N T H A !paNTieSxWM No.5496341]

Just got a Sony kv27s42

Sad it only has rf, composite and s video considering its size but oh well

I got a pvm coming tomorrow

[Anonymous No.5496343]

>>5496341
>coming
You dared entrust it with a carrier?

[Anonymous No.5496419]

>>5496341
>I got a pvm coming tomorrow
Will they keep all the pieces in one box, or do you think the carrier will at least sort them out into 3 smaller boxes?

[S A M A N T H A !paNTieSxWM No.5496425]

>>5496419
it's only an 8" im sure it will be fine i've shipped bigger crts before

[Anonymous No.5496431]

>>5496425
>it's only an 8" im sure it will be fine i've shipped bigger crts before
8" is probably safe. However, an 8" crt no matter the make is way too small to be useful. Your 27" with S-video will look better overall.

[Anonymous No.5496432]

>>5496425 Honestly, why get an 8 inch PVMeme when you have an s-video capable 27-inch trinitron. The difference between s-video and rgb is so miniscule, is it even worth it at that point to downgrade that much in size? That trinitron you already have is more than enough for a pleasant viewing experience.

[Anonymous No.5496443]

>>5496431
>an 8" crt no matter the make is way too small to be useful
What is the point of blanket statements like this? I know we're all supposed to act like arrogant super geniuses in this thread but should that really include assuming to know everyone's itsy bitsy little corner use cases?

At least this guy bothers to ask the question before opining:
>>5496432

[Anonymous No.5496469]

>>5496432
>>5496431
Why not both? Honestly you should try to own as many decent trinis as possible, pro monitors and vga monitors and sony's higher end tvs. 27-inch hi-black trinis are basically perfect crts so good score there

[Anonymous No.5496473]

>>5496443
>At least this guy bothers to ask the question before opining:

Listen here Trisha Tripcode, this isn't Jeopardy. I am not obligated to provide a statement in the form of a question. I am sorry that your feelings are hurt by punctuation. It is ok, I forgive you. Don't let it happen again.

[Batowl No.5496476]

Bongo mcchurry.

[S A M A N T H A !paNTieSxWM No.5496478]

>>5496431
>>5496432
because i want both and its nice to own more than one these are old and hard to find

sorry for sideways

the tv has a slight flicker thats driving me nuts. like it dims slightly then goes normal and does that a bunch. anything i can do to fix that?

[Anonymous No.5496480]

>>5496443
>At least this guy bothers to ask the question before opining:
This isn't Jeopardy.

[Anonymous No.5496484]

>>5496469
>Honestly you should try to own as many decent trinis as possible
Says who, and for what purpose

Hoarding is a mental disease

[S A M A N T H A !paNTieSxWM No.5496487]

>>5496478
Maybe it’s the composite or my super famicom. Running my sega over rf I don’t notice it

[Anonymous No.5496491]

>>5496232
jvc dt-v1700 series or its rebrands from ikegami and panasonic.

[Anonymous No.5496492]

>>5496480
Nobody here is smart enough to be on Jeopardy.

[Anonymous No.5496505]

>>5496492
>Nobody here is smart enough to be on Jeopardy.
What about this anon?

https://www.theverge.com/2018/10/24/18019464/4chan-anon-anime-haruhi-math-mystery

Some of the most intelligent things ever said on the internet have come from 4chan. It is a decentralized think tank.

[Anonymous No.5496506]

>>5496232
>Anyone have suggestions for a good CRT for 480i/480p gaming?
I really like my Samsung Txr 2035. It is a very clear 20" 15khz. The larger models in the series are all 480p "Enhanced Definition". They aren't hard to find, and are usually cheap.

[Batowl No.5496513]

Shibby homounlus

[Anonymous No.5496515]

Have you guys have good experiences with buying used CRTs on ebay? I'm afraid to buy a used one because I'm afraid the picture will be fucked up as it's hard to tell from ebay cell phone camera pics the actual picture quality.

[Anonymous No.5496516]

>>5496478
Fair enough, I have a collection of a few CRTs myself. You just made it sound as if you wanted to replace the 27 inch trinitron altogether. Also I couldn't tell you why there is flicker.

[Batowl No.5496517]

>>5496513
Shit

[Anonymous No.5496519]

>>5496204
We have OLED now. Better contrast than any cancer ray tube.

[Batowl No.5496520]

>>5496517
Scat man bipadda bippty bap.

[Batowl No.5496523]

>>5496520
Bong

[Anonymous No.5496526]

>>5496478
>because i want both and its nice to own more than one these are old and hard to find
I would have gone for a larger secondary model. PVMs are great for the memes and being a member of imaginary internet clubs, but they are also pretty big. I have left 8" pvms sitting in a Salvation army store that were marked $10 each already. They are long, take up a lot of space, and may have lots of hours. A 14" with less hours may have a better picture especially after having the postal service toss it around like an Olympic event.

>>5496487
>Maybe it’s the composite or my super famicom.
If it is not apparent with other systems, it could be something in the famicom. I would try other systems just to verify and compare.

[Anonymous No.5496527]

>>5496519
Did a CRT fall on you as a child? What is your grudge?

[Anonymous No.5496528]

>>5496519
have sex incel lcdnigger

[Anonymous No.5496535]

>>5496505
When that guy starts coming here to talk about muh tv brands then maybe this thread will have a shot at some air time with Trebek

[Anonymous No.5496540]

>>5496230
NTSC stands for Never The Same Color

You can buy a little test card with colors on it to compare against, or look at a superior type of display calibrated at the factory if you have one of those. But accurate isn't necessarily the most enjoyable. Just do what looks good or leave it on default settings. It's more historically accurate that way.

[Anonymous No.5496554]

>>5496540
>historically accurate
Don't forget to rip out your own old man eyeballs and shove some 10yo eyeballs in their place for the same level of low light vision these games were designed around

[Anonymous No.5496557]

>>5496517
Eww, those edges are supposed to be smooth, not stair-stepped. Upgrade to composite, kid.

[Anonymous No.5496560]

>>5496528

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En__V0oEJsU

[Anonymous No.5496562]

>>5496520

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-77cUxba-aA

[S A M A N T H A !paNTieSxWM No.5496567]

>>5496526
happens with other systems yeah

reeeeee

[Anonymous No.5496572]

>>5496230
If you're hardcore then 1) white point balance to CIE Standard Illuminant D65 and 2) a linearized gamma curve.

[Anonymous No.5496575]

Does that actual boomer tripfiend still post here?

[Anonymous No.5496582]

>>5496491

[Anonymous No.5496616]

>>5496575
He posted with his trip on in the last thread and has done so in other threads since then as well.

Btw I don't know if he ever stated his age, but I suspect I'm older than he is.

[Anonymous No.5496618]

>>5496616
You're older in human years, he's older in gamer years.

[Anonymous No.5496638]

>>5496618
What do you mean by that?

[Anonymous No.5496659]

>>5496473

[Anonymous No.5496683]

>>5495473
Is that a screenshot of the image on your phone? Why?

[Anonymous No.5496694]

>>5496683
Retro gamers are not smart, otherwise they'd play much more challenging and novel PC games for adults, not old kid toys.

[Anonymous No.5496713]

>>5496683
They probably screencapped that from someone's listing on an app.

[Anonymous No.5496737]

>>5496694
What is a sophisticated adult such as yourself doing posting among us lowly manchildren brainlets?

[Anonymous No.5496754]

>>5496694
Truly smart people sit in silent thought and simply laugh periodically at what their brilliant minds have just conjured up. That is true entertainment, unshackled by the limited imaginations of "content creators."

[Anonymous No.5496770]

Finally fell for the PVMeme (20m4u), and I'm glad I did. One thing I don't really like about RGB is being able to see the dithering effect (see the wings on the 2nd last and last pics), but hot damn, those colors and sharpness. Did I do good?

[Anonymous No.5496782]

>>5496770
that looks horrendous anon, wtf did you do?
there are black horizontal lines all over the place

[Batowl No.5496808]

Loooolll

[Batowl No.5496816]

>>5496808

[Anonymous No.5496818]

>>5496808

[Anonymous No.5496863]

>>5496808
where did you get this picture of our battlestation

[Anonymous No.5496962]

>>5496575
No, I think he left due to the very low level of intelligence on this board these days. I'm about ready to dip out as well.

[Anonymous No.5496971]

>>5496770
scanlines too thick

[Anonymous No.5496974]

>>5496962
Thank you, that should help with the problem.

[Anonymous No.5497134]

>>5496974
have fun talking to plebs about the same bland shit over and over ya miserable prick

[Anonymous No.5497145]

>>5497134
Name one fascinating/riveting/important discussion you've ever had on /crt/ and I'll have the appropriate insult lined up to describe the state of your life.

[Anonymous No.5497212]

I have one of these VGA to SCART 15khz cables around I used about a year ago with my 280X, which was ok with doing this thing through DVI-I using CRT_EmuDriver or even without it (I actually just added custom resolutions manually which allowed me to use any driver version).

Now I have an RX580 and of course I lost that, but the newest version of CRT_EmuDriver supports the same feature through HDMI to VGA active adapters. 2 questions: Just like it was possible to do that shit without drivers (just by patching limits out with ATI Pixel Clock Patcher), would that be possible over HDMI? And how does linux deal with all of this?

Dunno if anyone here bothers with that kind of setup but still, didn't find any more appropriate place

[Anonymous No.5497249]

If CRTs have 8.3ms latency, and NES Zapper and R.O.B. work with complete frames, unlike later light guns, why can't they work with some of the faster gaymer monitors now? Are they not bright enough?

[Anonymous No.5497262]

>>5497249
Why would a CRT have 8.3ms latency?

[Why are capital G Gamers angry(...) No.5497265]

>>5497262

https://www.resetera.com/threads/crts-have-8-3ms-of-input-lag-addressing-a-common-misconception-about-display-latency.40628/

[Anonymous No.5497280]

>>5497265
>meme tripcode
>onions era

[Nicollet Avenue Kmart !0J4ewmjU/I No.5497283]

>>5497280
That's not a tripcode. This is a tripcode.

[Anonymous No.5497287]

>>5497265
Latency =/= response times. Light guns work according the response of the display. Whereas the response of a CRT is indeed instant the latency varies predictably across the screen. Modern LCDs don't respond as fast, and vary in latency. In theory you could make a light gun work the same way it does with CRT if you made it bespoke for a modern LCD.

[Anonymous No.5497289]

>2019
>using CRT
>not using an upscaler on a modern TV to precisely sharpen every pixel and properly expose the true saturation and contrasts of color.

[Anonymous No.5497292]

>>5497289
It's pretty arbitrary to render the infinitesimal point samples as squares. Old games look like shit on LCDs

[Anonymous No.5497328]

>>5496962
Don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya

[Anonymous No.5497338]

>>5497287
No flat panel display can trigger any type of traditional light gun. The best you can hope for is an infrared tracking gun like the Wiimote or Aimtrak.

[Anonymous No.5497339]

>>5497338
The nintendo vcr gun works with complete frames, not lines.

[Anonymous No.5497346]

>>5497339
How come it doesn't work with LCDs, Plasmas or OLEDS then?

[Anonymous No.5497349]

>>5497346
I assume it's because they're too laggy. It really does work with complete frames. black frame, white box where target is, back to game. repeat step two for multiple targets.

[Anonymous No.5497350]

>>5497339
>Nintendo vcr gun
Oh sorry I thought you were referring to something which actually exists.

[Anonymous No.5497351]

>>5497350

[Anonymous No.5497354]

>>5497349
Has anyone got it working with runahead?

[Anonymous No.5497356]

>>5497351
If you wanted fun you wouldn't be in /crt/

[Anonymous No.5497357]

>>5497351
Two seconds in GIMP

[Anonymous No.5497358]

>>5497354
Do those games have lag frames? It only works when they do.

[Anonymous No.5497363]

>>5497354
Some guy got it sort of working with Duck Hunt IIRC.

[Anonymous No.5497368]

>>5497287
>>5497363
http://neslcdmod.com/roms/

[Anonymous No.5497370]

>>5497368
Why no Gumshoe?

[Anonymous No.5497374]

>>5496540
>NTSC stands for Never The Same Color
Yet another retard repeating a meme that only applies to broadcast signals.

[Anonymous No.5497661]

>>5497289
Except many developers would do color in a way that it shows true when displaying through crt, enjoy your blacks being shown as browns through your LCDShit

[Anonymous No.5497684]

>>5497661
>blacks being shown as browns
Literally have never had that issue. Not with my Dreamcast nor my PSone.

[Anonymous No.5497876]

>>5497289
I do both sometimes.

[Anonymous No.5497896]

>>5497289
upscalers cost money, the television was free

[Anonymous No.5498038]

>>5497684
Do you not have the hardware to run CRT-Royale?

[Anonymous No.5498270]

>>5498038
I'd imagine he doesn't want to.

[spookyelectrik No.5498460]

https://cincinnati.craigslist.org/vgm/d/independence-multiple-pvm-monitors-for/6844570964.html

still for sale in the cincinnati area i have only sold 1 14" with the slight color problem

[Anonymous No.5498462]

someone near me is selling a PVM on ebay. will my account get banned if I message them and try to work out a deal locally?

[Anonymous No.5498491]

>>5498462
Why on earth would they ban you for that?

[Anonymous No.5498556]

>>5497661
>enjoy your blacks being shown as browns
LCDs are racist af

[Anonymous No.5498590]

>>5498491
circumventing their site (they dont get their fees)
I just wanna know how anal they are about it as I dont want to get my account banned.

[Anonymous No.5498727]

>>5498462
>>5498590
Just try to make a deal on ebay. Tell them you're local and can handle everything including picking it up without them having to move, pack, or ship a single thing. You're taking a big source of risk (damage in shipping) off their shoulders. There are multiple ways for sellers to accommodate offers like this, and you won't be shafting ebay out of their cut for hooking you two up.

[Anonymous No.5498736]

>>5498590
They actively monitor this and you'll get a warning message. Both you and the seller can be banned for it if you're not careful.

[Anonymous No.5498872]

I am playing video games tonight.

[Anonymous No.5498902]

>>5498727
This. I've done it before.

[Anonymous No.5498903]

>>5498872
Nice, have fun anon.

[Anonymous No.5499374]

>>5498462
First thing to do is look and see if they also have it for sale on craigslist.

[Anonymous No.5499703]

Should I go for it?

[Anonymous No.5499706]

How do I connect a n64 to a vga monitor?

[Anonymous No.5499707]

>>5499703
Pretty sure laser DLP has that beat in contrast.

[Anonymous No.5499717]

>>5498872
Buyfiends, with their NES Classic Mini emulators, don't get to enjoy his butt being round

[Anonymous No.5499720]

>>5498872
Famicom Disk System with better audio and more challenging enemies, or inferior Nintendo tape?

[Anonymous No.5499721]

reminder you're playing with your children's toys incorrectly if not on a slot mask cancer ray tube with composhite video

https://i.warosu.org/data/vr/img/0024/67/1434162053758.png

https://kayin.moe/?p=2598

https://selectbutton.net/t/pixels-are-not-square/3212

http://alvyray.com/Memos/CG/Microsoft/6_pixel.pdf

http://retro-sanctuary.com/comparisons%20-%20differing.html

https://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/13/139866/2728597-batmancomparison.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/lA4TxjT0-c4/maxresdefault.jpg

http://nerdlypleasures.blogspot.com/2015/03/the-case-for-composite.html

[Anonymous No.5499870]

>>5499721
>composhite video
No thanks. Any system worth a fuck has officially licensed S-Video cables.

[Anonymous No.5499876]

>>5499870
poor nes, only fc titler owners get to enjoy its huge library

[Anonymous No.5499878]

>>5499876
Only a handful of LE EPIC OLD SKOOL :D NoFriendo games are worth playing.

[Anonymous No.5499891]

>>5499876
>only fc titler owners get to enjoy its huge library
There are quite a few games on the Nes that are great, most notably the Dragon Warrior series and Crystalis. Also, the Capcom Disney games are outstanding for platformers. However the Wii and/or a pc works great for emulation, and provides much better clarity. My Wii replaced a Nes, Snes & a Genesis because of its capabilities. They all live in a plastic tote in my attic.

>>5499878
>Only a handful
There is more than a handful, but not much more. Nes was a great system, and still is. It is also very easy for even a toaster to emulate well, which makes it nearly pointless to have one plugged in.

[Anonymous No.5500462]

>>5496770
so comfy

http://xn--80aajzhcnfck0a.xn--p1ai/PublicDocuments/01-0486-01.pdf

[Anonymous No.5500479]

>>5499703
nice freedom peppers, anon

[Anonymous No.5500495]

>>5499703
Oops, I was amused by the peppers and forgot to answer your question.
Yes, I'd definitely go for it if I were you. For a 6-pack of beer or a case of coke zero? Even if you don't love it, it's not like you have a whole lot to lose.

[Anonymous No.5500548]

>>5499721
COMPOSHITE MASTER RACE
RISE UP

[Anonymous No.5500576]

Why can't I connect my Raspberry Pi to my CRT? I've tried so many different cables but nothing works. I'm sick of looking at SMW in HD

[Anonymous No.5500617]

>>5500576
I don't know. Maybe you didn't put enough points into intellect.

[Anonymous No.5500657]

>>5498038
Why run crt-royale if you can display on an actual crt?

[Anonymous No.5500667]

>>5500657
Look at context

[Anonymous No.5500850]

>>5500548
one of the most convincing images I've seen

[Anonymous No.5500853]

>>5497356
Get out of here with that stupid crap.

[Anonymous No.5501534]

composite? Oh, you mean CVBS?

[Anonymous No.5501589]

>>5496818
>cursed tv

[Anonymous No.5501601]

>>5496770
In time you'll grow to not like the pvm for gaming and use it only to watch old movies, tv shows and anime. You'll learn that large consumer tvs are much better for playing games. They look better and you can sit across the room.

So yeah, you screwed up in a way, but you won't realize it for about a year, then you'll kick yourself for letting that 36" Toshiba, Mitsubishi, or Sony pass you by.

[Anonymous No.5501725]

I picked up a KD-32FS170, and whenever I turn up the brightness and contrast on the TV it gets this awful pink hue. If I make the picture incredibly dark the colors seem normal. I'd be very grateful if anyone had any insight as to what the problem might be.

[Anonymous No.5501728]

>>5501725
What it looks like when lowering the brightness.

[Anonymous No.5501871]

>>5496808
>>5496816
>>5496818
Your making me wanna bust out this nearly 40 year old B&W TV I use for decoration just to attention whore on this thread.

[Anonymous No.5501889]

>>5501871
By all means, man. Go right ahead, I'm curious.

[Anonymous No.5502002]

>>5501871
Post it, anon. The only B&W TV my family ever owned in the past 40 years was a bulky battery-powered luggable.

[Anonymous No.5502042]

>>5501871
Make sure to do the Sonic 2 memes.

[Anonymous No.5502210]

>>5501728
It's hard to tell with digital cameras, but the second pic looks adjusted correctly, the first looks like the brightness and contrast have been adjusted by a 10 year old who likes things burning their eyes.

I personally don't have an answer for you, but the shotgun approach is to say it's old caps needing replaced.

[Anonymous No.5502221]

>>5501534
>CVBS stands for Composite Video Blanking Sync
literally the exact same thing you soulless pedant

[Anonymous No.5502225]

>>5495132
>CRTs are no longer produced because they have inferior picture quality versus LCDs
Stopped reading right there. I'm convinced you don't actually know what picture quality even means.

[Anonymous No.5502231]

>>5502225
see
>>5495523
dum automaton

[Anonymous No.5502262]

>>5502231
>links to plebbit
>calls others automaton
You have actually zero self awareness, almost impressive.

[Anonymous No.5502447]

>>5498736
>

give gmail and continue form there

[Anonymous No.5502458]

>>5502262
If you actually read the thread and wasn't dumb as a rock, you would've seen this post
>>5495523

[Anonymous No.5502459]

What should I offer on this?
Do you think it is better than my rca colortrak?

[Anonymous No.5502464]

>>5502459
A picture would probably help.

[Anonymous No.5502557]

>>5502458
not me btw

[Anonymous No.5502560]

>>5502464
They still go for -$15 - $0 often, so at least that much.

[Anonymous No.5502568]

>>5502560
Being paid $15 to take someone's JVC away sounds like quite the deal indeed

[Anonymous No.5502581]

>>5502458
Stop directing me to reddit you worthless faggot. Maybe you should go back.

[Anonymous No.5502590]

>>5502581
Go to Reddit. Read some things. Stay forever.

[Anonymous No.5503028]

this crt projector is free in my area, should I get it?

[Anonymous No.5503065]

just saw a 27" curved Sharp with component outside on the curb. too bad we can't save them all :(

[Anonymous No.5503235]

>>5503065
Fuck I own one, they are top tier.

[Anonymous No.5503247]

>>5499703
hello minneapofriend

[Anonymous No.5503258]

>>5503247
Howdy ;)

[Anonymous No.5503269]

>>5501871
Do it.

[Anonymous No.5503275]

>>5502590
Go fuck yourself.

[Anonymous No.5503284]

>>5503258
well how is the projector

[Anonymous No.5503295]

>>5503284
Someone else got it :-)

[Anonymous No.5503475]

I'll admit, /vr/, I don't know much about PVMemes.

Found this 8 inch very near to me, and it's cheap, too. What can you tell me about these inputs? Is this a basic black and white model?

[Anonymous No.5503491]

>>5503475
RGB/Component, S-video and composite. So that's everything standard def consoles will output.
But why would you want an 8" model when you could get a better looking, bigger consumer set for cheaper?

[Anonymous No.5503496]

>>5503491
I have no intention of using it as my main display, I do have a nice 32' Trinitron. I wasn't even looking for a pvm, it just showed up near me, and since it's cheap I'd figured I could possibly check it out.

[Anonymous No.5503595]

>>5503475
>>5503496
>I wasn't even looking for a pvm, it just showed up near me, and since it's cheap I'd figured I could possibly check it out.
Do you need an 8" monitor? If you can imagine yourself ever having fun on a nice 8" display, by all means check it out. If not, you'd only be picking it up because of the scarcity memes.

[Anonymous No.5503617]

>>5503475
It's not worth over $25, it's stupidly small, even on the verge of too small for a desk setup. It's only good for emulating handhelds on a hacked wii.

[Anonymous No.5503989]

>>5499703
Yes, get it.

[Anonymous No.5504006]

>>5499717
I want to print this out and make a poster of it.

[Anonymous No.5504058]

>>5499703
No

[Anonymous No.5504395]

>>5496232
I've been honestly trying to find the best way to view 480i shit. I have a 36inch crt but I'd still like to find a way to put on my flat screen and not have it look like shit. From what I gather, it will ALWAYS look like shit is the general consensus

[Anonymous No.5504403]

>>5504395
You don't wanna play PS2 without scanlines, it looks like complete shit.

[Anonymous No.5504410]

>>5504395
It's a sad truth that there's no real way to de-interlace in a pleasing way. Either you get jitter or screw up the motion quality. For that reason, CRT will always be the best for 480i. I find Bang and Olufsen sets are some of the best for 480i, as well as later Trinitrons. If you want good 480i video, even 100hz sets can look really nice and smooth.

[Anonymous No.5504580]

Will this shit let me play my PS4 on a CRT?

[Anonymous No.5504589]

>>5504580
Yes but it will look absolutely awful and be laggy.

[Anonymous No.5504618]

>>5504410
Yea I looked up framemesiter and ossc. They both don't do 480i well. Ossc in particular will do bob-deinterlacing which just looks awful. I even looked at the GameCube hdmi thing, but at the end of the day even that still just looks yucky.

Tbh though it all looks fantastic on my CRT. I just want an option for my flatscreen for when friends come over. Their eyes start to hurt after playing on the CRT also the screen isn't big enough for multiplayer games despite being 36

[Anonymous No.5504628]

>>5504403
Is this bait?

[Anonymous No.5504691]

>>5504580
If you have a CRT with SDI input, sure.

I doubt you do though.

[Anonymous No.5504694]

>>5504580
Why would you want to you retarded faggot

[Anonymous No.5504727]

>>5504691
Is it that uncommon? My PVMeme has it.

[Anonymous No.5504739]

>>5504691
I do
>>5504694
Don’t have a DVD player

[Anonymous No.5504972]

>>5504691
>>5504739
Sorry I meant 3G-SDI aka SMPTE 424M

[Anonymous No.5505071]

>>5504739
Get a PS2 or something. They play DVDs just fine. CRTs are not better for modern games for the most part.

[Anonymous No.5505203]

>>5504618
You could try a Dscaler PC setup if you want more deinterlacing options than just bob and weave at a dirt cheap price, assuming you already have a PC and only need to add a TV card. 480i deinterlacing of TV and film sources is Dscaler's specialty; all actual scaling is handled by your video card, so the results tend to be a little soft, which I find preferable on digital displays as a CRT user anyway. The trade-off is presumably more overall system latency than the FM and OSSC (I haven't measured), and you shouldn't expect miracles from Dscaler's motion adaptive mode for anything other than TV/film.

As a test if you want, you could even just have Dscaler deinterlace and not have your PC scale anything, sending 480p to your TV for it to upscale for itself in its fastest mode. You could then compare that to the quality and speed of having the PC scale to your TV's native resolution.

[Anonymous No.5505210]

>>5495132
>Lying on an anonymous board

[Anonymous No.5505264]

>>5505210
It is a list of misconceptions taken from reddit. It is sad how many have fallen for it.

[Anonymous No.5505535]

>>5504628
No, apparently you haven't done it yet.

[Anonymous No.5505629]

Is this decent?

[Anonymous No.5505639]

>>5505629
Yes

[Anonymous No.5505657]

>>5505639
Ok, thanks

[Anonymous No.5505785]

here is an extremely crude idea of what I'm going to do with one of my PC monitors.

If anyone has seen a similar build done I'd appreciate a link to it.

[Anonymous No.5505786]

>>5505629
PAL model?

[Anonymous No.5505791]

>>5505785
I don’t know why you’d put a bucket of sand inside it but ok

[Anonymous No.5505792]

>>5505785
This one is pretty similar, but I'm going to try to make it smaller.

[Anonymous No.5505793]

>>5505535
PS2 games don't run in 240p, retard. There are no scanlines no matter what you're playing it on.

[Anonymous No.5505796]

>>5505793
>PS2 games don't run in 240p
They do tho
https://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=55420

[Anonymous No.5505798]

>>5497357
thank you

[Anonymous No.5505801]

>>5505796
What a staggeringly massive list

[Anonymous No.5505805]

>>5505796
This is actually amazing.

[Anonymous No.5505812]

>>5505801
u mad

[Anonymous No.5505813]

>>5505801
It's unironically larger than I expected. Too bad it's all autistic shit no one cares about.

[Anonymous No.5505817]

>>5505813
>not playing the best PS2 game of all time

[Anonymous No.5505834]

>>5505813
u really mad

[Anonymous No.5506117]

>>5496230
SMPTE bars for basic contrast/color/hue. PLUGE bars for brightness/picture. Color gradient bars for fine tuning gain and offset of each color gun if you can get to the service menu. 240p test rom has all of these, plus linearity and overscan patterns. My advice is get colors and brightness/contrast setup first, then sharpness, then do alignment. Bleed and fringing from bad picture can complicate grid-based linearity patterns.

[Anonymous No.5506119]

>>5496230
Also for the love of god turn the red gun down and then adjust with brightness/contrast again. CRTs often have an artificially boosted red gun to compensate for poor color reproduction over RF/composite video signals at 480i. Consoles at 240p /generally/ don't suffer from the same issues so you'd be doing yourself a favor by unfucking the red drive (and imo even VHSs benefit from that fix)

[Anonymous No.5506124]

does this kind of stuff work on CRTs? i dont want to keep using my smartphone desu.

[Anonymous No.5506131]

>>5506124
dont know about those, but i use a logitech harmony universal remote with my CRT.
https://support.myharmony.com/en-us/compatibility

[Anonymous No.5506141]

Plain shadow mask CRT used for development and testing within Nintendo in the 90s. National was a brand produced by Matsushita, also known as Panasonic in the west.

[Anonymous No.5506156]

>>5506141
Another cap. Various other CRTs are visible in the video. Most of them appear to be fairly generic production monitors, nothing special but somewhat high TVL counts among them.

I've owned several monitors in this category and I think the most striking thing about them are their overall brighter image compared to some cheap CRTs, good convergence and focus, and a sort of very... glassy look to them. They have no anti-glare coating at all.

Monitors in this category are actually very cheap and plentiful.

[Anonymous No.5506164]

>>5506156
the PC desktop monitors are some version of a Samsung Syncmaster.

[Anonymous No.5506190]

>>5506124
I bought "one for all Essence 3" universal remote, and it worked with me, and it claims to work with everything so its safe gamble. Its bit expensive though. You could also try any other remotes you have lying around, both my flat/modern tv and crt works with same remote, which is more annoying than you'd think.

[Anonymous No.5506194]

>>5506124
go to a dollar store and try to get one of those universal remotes. if it doesnt work, at least you only wasted a few bucks

[Anonymous No.5506214]

>>5506156
They’re not production monitors, they’re computer monitors.

[Anonymous No.5506249]

>>5506214
No...

sorry but you are just flat wrong. That National branded CRT is just a standard video production monitor. Not a broadcast monitor or a professional video monitor. But a lesser monitor designed for business usage. Or it could even be an actual TV, hard to make out if it has channel selection buttons.

The other light colored monitor on the desk is the computer monitor.

Earlier in the video when they are in the office talking to one of the playtesters and they are showing a demo of him playing the game the SNES is hooked up to some kind of presentation monitor, something more expensive than the stuff they have in the Nintendo offices shown later. They wouldn't have very many of those around.

[Anonymous No.5506251]

>>5506249
>hard to make out if it has channel selection buttons
They're right there in your screenshot along with volume

[Anonymous No.5506279]

>>5506251
video monitors have volume buttons, and the other buttons could be menu, source, etc

[Anonymous No.5506290]

>>5506279
>National
>business video monitor
Anon, do you even Japan? That's Matsushita's home goods arm that competes with the likes of Zojirushi and Tiger on rice cookers and bread makers.

The buttons on the front of that teevee are volume and channel up and down.

[Anonymous No.5506297]

>>5506290
Massive companies like that make all kinds of obscure variations of their products, but yes it is most likely a TV.

[Anonymous No.5506306]

>>5506297
The only Mats monitors I've ever seen anywhere were all Panasonics. National is the basic home products brand. Quasar was the value brand. I'm not just confident it's a TV, I'm sure.

[Anonymous No.5506314]

Does anybody here know of a good way to input s-video into a sony bvm?

[Anonymous No.5506316]

>>5506314
Which BVM

[Anonymous No.5506317]

>>5506314
Overpriced Y/C card

Just get a TV or use RGB anon

[Anonymous No.5506868]

dors s video cable brand matter?

[Anonymous No.5506871]

>>5506868
There's a ton of generic S-Video cables that are wired so poorly that they're indistinguishable from composite. I'd say official ones are a safer bet.

[Anonymous No.5506881]

>>5506868
It depends. I have a cheap chinkshit cable and it works fine. But there are poor quality cables that make the image look really bad. For example these cables for the N64 have this checkerboard pattern: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwErFV9awn4

[Anonymous No.5506913]

>>5506316
Sony BVM-20G1U
>>5506317
What about consoles that aren't rgb enabled?

[Anonymous No.5506923]

>>5506871
i heard ps3 and ps2 uses same connector. this shit good? cheapest one i could find. others are 30 dollars
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Sony-Playstation-3-Official-UK-S-VIDEO-CABLE-NEW-Boxed-PS1-PS2-PS3-S-Video/392253434895?hash=item5b54206c0f:g:1lMAAOSwstxVGqR-

[Anonymous No.5506925]

>>5506923
yeah that one would be perfect.

[Anonymous No.5506932]

>>5506925
thanks. i read a comment on reddit where s video cable with the yellow composite sucks. is this true? my current one has the yellow thing.

[Anonymous No.5506969]

is there an affordable component switch?

[Anonymous No.5507000]

>>5506969
I was able to get a four-input Extron switch for a similar price. Supports RGB in addition to component, but needs to be powered and you'd have to use BNC adapters.

[Anonymous No.5507013]

>>5506164
I have this exact monitor and its box. Planning on an xp pc and hooking dreamcast to it.

[Anonymous No.5507024]

>>5506913
You might have to do a rgb mod, but many have native or are super cheap to mod if you can solder. Also don't discount composite on a pvm or bvm, it looks surprisingly decent.

[Anonymous No.5507029]

>>5506932
It varies but please don't go to reddit unless you stay there ;)

[Anonymous No.5507046]

>>5507024
>it looks surprisingly decent.
Only on the ones modern enough to have good notch filters. Better to step down to S-video on systems that will do it, if you must.

[Anonymous No.5507053]

>>5506932
He's wrong. There are dual cables that were built properly, pulling composite, luma, and chroma all from the correct pins.

[Anonymous No.5507093]

>>5507024
Some literally can't do RGB. How well do adapters handle converting s-video to RGB scart?

[Anonymous No.5507113]

>>5506969
For low retro resolutions up to 5th gen, and short cable lengths, most unpowered switches you find will be good enough. 6th gen is when the component headache starts and you start to need a good switch.

>>5507093
>adapters handle converting s-video to RGB scart
Don't ever do this. Stick to the best signal type your monitor and systems both support. If it's composite, so be it.

[Anonymous No.5507119]

Is a 20" PVM worth it over a 14"? I've currentley got a 14m2u, and while nice, I'm thinking about getting something a bit larger.

Biggest pain in the ass is that I live in literally the middle of nowhere Wyoming so I'm at the mercy of ebay and shitty packaging unless I drive 6 hours to Denver and even then shit is still hard to find.

[Anonymous No.5507160]

>>5507119
As someone who went from a 14N6U to a 1954Q, I can tell you that it's a significant improvement. However, I would not risk ordering anything of that size, let alone from the scalpers on eBay.

[Anonymous No.5507289]

>>5506141
>Panasonic
Fucking disgusting

[Anonymous No.5507302]

>>5506969
Get a cheap Extron Crosspoint on eBay. Just make sure it's a model that supports audio.

From there, you can buy a pack of 50 BNC to RCA adapters for like $15 and you're set.

[Anonymous No.5507324]

>>5506868
Yes, they are analog video so you don't want to go ultra-cheap. Just get something that feels solid.

[Anonymous No.5507328]

>>5507289
Nothing wrong with a good Panny

[Anonymous No.5507390]

>>5507289
Lol

[Anonymous No.5507417]

>>5507289
Panasonics are fine, what are you on about?

[Anonymous No.5507438]

>>5507417
>>5507390
>>5507328
They're absolute dogshit, you're better off just getting something from reputable manufacturer.

[Anonymous No.5507441]

>>5507438
such as?

[Anonymous No.5507495]

Pardon the ignorance since I'm new to CRT monitors, but would an HD CRT TV in 4:3 (having S-video, RGB, composite, and HDMI) be a viable alternative to a PVM?

[Anonymous No.5507516]

>>5507495
Yes, as long as you are content to use emulation. Retroarch shaders on a CRT HDTV look very PVM-ish once set correctly. However, there will be a small amount of latency. Something on the order of 20ms or 1 frame.

If you search HD CRT lag you will find tests done by Smash players. These tests were done in 480p mode, which adds additional video processing. If you send the TV its native 1080i signal this overhead will be removed and latency will be reduced.

[Anonymous No.5507637]

>>5505792
>>5505785
This seems like it would be hard on the neck.

[Anonymous No.5507693]

>>5507438
Trying to start the least successful disinfo meme of all time, eh?

[Anonymous No.5507752]

>>5507495
Yes, desu I can't stress it enough as a pvm owner, they are a waste of money at their current price. I own several and play on large consumer tvs almost exclusively. I also have a WEGA HD widescreen no less, when played in 4:3 it's still much larger than a 20" pvm and there isn't enough lag to notice, even in very demanding games.

The HD lag is a meme often repeated like the misinformation of "burning cdr at 1x". It's old info that no one actually tries themselves, just parrots what is said over and over. Some HD sets might lag, but some do not.

HD CRT look almost like a computer monitor, which is good or bad depending on what you want. It looks ungodly good on non vr stuff like ps2 and ps3.

[Anonymous No.5507775]

>>5507693
This. It's starting to get weird on this board regarding CRTs. There's real money in CRT sales now so you're going to get a lot of FUD spread by people who are hoping to hoard up models that may acquire value in the few years.

[Anonymous No.5507787]

>>5507775
>real money
>topping out at ~$200

[Anonymous No.5507923]

>>5507495
For original console hardware, no, it wouldn't be exactly comparable. In short, the important bits of a PVM are more like a very sharp standard-definition (SD) TV than like an HDTV or PC monitor. A good SDTV is the best way to play retro games as most people remember them, IMO.

If you're emulating, an HDTV will be fine as long as the signal you send to it from your emulation box is at a resolution it can handle without having to process it very much. You'll have to use a signal better than S-video to do it though, and the methods are different depending on what signals the HDTV accepts and what your emulation box can output.

[Anonymous No.5507947]

>>5507693
Not him but I've owned two Panasonic sets that were both pretty bad.

[Anonymous No.5507986]

>>5507787
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-PVM-2950Q-29-Trinitron-Monitor-CRT-RGB-Retro-Gaming/223465678273?hash=item340797a5c1:g:ovsAAOSwUERcn6tn

[Anonymous No.5507991]

>>5507752
Do you have a way to try out the shaders mentioned earlier in this thread on the WEGA?

[Anonymous No.5508091]

>>5503617
I have a 8042Q and it looks great for most of my pre-5th Gen stuff and Handhelds but really shines with Handhelds and my Famicom. Everything else looks good but very small. Somewhat beginning to wish i had a bigger screen.

[Anonymous No.5508284]

>>5507302
should i cancel this? feel like im gonna get buyer's regret when if it turns out that its not that much better than s-video. one reason i have to keep with this purchase is im gonna buy a n64 in the future so having my s-video port freed up would be nice.

[Anonymous No.5508410]

Did anyone try nintendo ds emulator on a crt? I wonder if it looks better than on modern screens.

[Anonymous No.5508443]

>>5508284
You asked about saving money on a component switch then bought $30 Retrovision cables?

Anyway, if you have an SDTV then you'll see a very slight improvement going from S-video to component on a PS2/PS3 and the cheap switch you got will probably be fine.

If you have an HDTV, you'll get more benefit from the cable since you'll be able to play 480p/1080i PS2 games and the full range of HD PS3 games. But 240p and 480i PS2 games will suffer because your TV will have to deinterlace and/or scale them. And the switch you got may cause anywhere from minor, barely visible problems to lots of problems on HD stuff.

>>5508410
Just remember that GB/DS games didn't originally have scanlines so CRT isn't the accurate way to play them. They can still look good though, sure.

[Anonymous No.5508451]

>>5507093
Which can't do rgb? I'm not doubting, just not ran into any.

[Anonymous No.5508502]

Can someone give me a recommendation for 480p CRT tvs that work with lightguns? I already have a PC CRT but I want something a little bit larger than it. Preferably at least 25 inches.

[Anonymous No.5508612]

>>5506164
I can see why you'd think so based on the bezel, but early 1990s Samsungs didn't look like that, logos were on the left. A Japanese company in the '90s probably wouldn't have been importing Korean monitors anyway. That bezel style was used by many manufacturers over the years.

[Anonymous No.5508659]

>>5508451
It's more that quite a few have no mod kits to do so. I'm talking about the Atari 7800 specifically.

[Anonymous No.5508679]

>>5508502
multiformat video monitor.

[Anonymous No.5508750]

I'm new to /vr/. Which are the main advantages of CRT displays?

[Anonymous No.5508768]

>>5508750
Generally lesser input lag
Better black levels
Better contrast
Better image depth on lower resolutions
Generally speaking I think most games that were designed to display on CRTs look better on CRTs, but that's just depending on what you're after. It's hard to beat modern LCDs in clarity but CRT is a completely different technology with a completely different look. I don't like comparing and contrasting them to modern displays for that reason, you can weigh the pros and cons all day and never really end up at a definitive choice. There's room for both, but when it comes to /vr/ I greatly prefer playing on CRTs. It just looks and feels the way I personally think it should on a properly calibrated set.

[Anonymous No.5508784]

>>5508750
light guns only works on crt's

[Anonymous No.5508789]

>>5508768
Fuck that's a bad image to express what I'm saying. Try this.

[Anonymous No.5508839]

[Anonymous No.5508864]

>>5498462
go for it, the TM-H150CG is really nice

[Anonymous No.5508930]

>>5508768
>>5508784
>>5508789
Thanks

[Anonymous No.5508990]

>>5508768
>Generally speaking I think most games that were designed to display on CRTs look better on CRTs
I've always been a proponent of CRTs, but lately I've doubled down even harder on them being superior. Not based on actual numbers, but simply because CRTs, by their very nature, tend to smooth over imperfections in video, while LCDs and other digital displays only magnify flaws. If you're dealing with a hi-res, zero-compression source that an LCD can display in its native resolution, then it's great, but outside of that CRT is going to do the best job at keeping any video source from looking absolutely horrible.

I used to use my CRT strictly for gaming, but I've taken to watching VHS and even transcoding HDMI to analog, and it's truly impressive what a CRT can do, depending on what source you give it. I've streamed 1080p videos to my CRT through S-video, and even with the slight digital compression, the clarity and color depth is downright impressive to say it's on a 20-year-old monitor that has probably seen untold thousands of hours of abuse. It's definitely enough to make me do a double-take and wonder what exactly the benefits of "HD" are.

An LCD is like a finely-tuned supercar that can only perform its best on high-grade fuel and a level track and is fucking useless for anything else. A CRT is like a bulletproof, 350 smallblock sedan that takes whatever you give it, asks for more, but still somehow impresses the shit out of you if you fill the tank with premium.

[Anonymous No.5509003]

It's easier to find PVM's where I live than it is consumer sets, but I don't want to drop $200 on another TV right now. I've found 4 PVM's in the past 2 weeks but 0 consumer CRTS under 32inches that are worth it. What a problem to have.

[Anonymous No.5509006]

>>5508990
>It's definitely enough to make me do a double-take and wonder what exactly the benefits of "HD" are.
The benefits of HD resolutions are obvious IMO but I think I agree with the sentiment here. In terms of overall image quality it's tough to beat a good CRT. LCDs offer pixel perfect clarity but in gaining that you're trading off a lot of the favors CRTs can do for the image. The phosphors may get in the way of pixels so to speak but they also happen to go a long way in delivering a dynamic image where highs and lows can end up being dependent on their placement, and the way they interact can look amazing. I think that's where CRTs get a lot of their image depth. You just can't get that effect with an LCD screen, outside of filters. Which are good enough for some I suppose, and while I don't think they look bad I also think they forego the strength of LCDs, which is that pixel perfect clarity they offer. I'll stick with the uniform blacks and bright whites of a CRT (for /vr/ at least) until OLED technology becomes a little more affordable, and I'm somewhat skeptical of that technology as it is. I'm sure it looks great but I don't know if it could outright replace CRTs for me

[Anonymous No.5509007]

>>5509003
Also, every time I make an offer on one they pull the "There's one listed on ebay for $800" when they thought it was just a piece of shit right before I inquired about them. I've had 3 people do this.

[Anonymous No.5509048]

I still want to know what's in the actual CRT glass and how it may make a difference to the image from one CRT to the next.

[Anonymous No.5509180]

>>5508091
Yeah there's no denying the look great there just to small to be enjoyable.

[Anonymous No.5509296]

>>5509003
>>5509007
If people can drive hundreds of miles to pick up a pro monitor, there's nothing stopping you from going to another area's Goodwill.

[Anonymous No.5509669]

>>5495132
cringe but redpilled

[Anonymous No.5509686]

>>5504618
ps2 on the framemeister is pretty good.

[Anonymous No.5509707]

>>5509003
Retro games look best on a slot mask tube you can get for $20

It's why CRT-Royale simulates a slot mask and not that trinitron gimmick.

[Anonymous No.5509713]

>>5508502
>Can someone give me a recommendation for 480p CRT tvs that work with lightguns?
Samsung TXR2435

[Anonymous No.5509724]

>>5508284
It's barely better than s-video, so don't set yourself up for failure by thinking it's going to look much (if any) better. With that said, I still spend the money for RGB or Component for my setup, because I want everything to look as good as possible.

In the world of cabling, $30 isn't bad.

[Anonymous No.5509825]

>>5509724
>In the world of cabling, $30 isn't bad.
in the world of anything, wasting $22 for the same results is foolish

[Anonymous No.5509971]

Why am I getting this?
I'm using a wii with component cables. The Snes emulator works fine. The nes emulator has the same issue.

[Anonymous No.5509976]

>>5509971
your wii is sending 480p
first mistake in the book

[Anonymous No.5509982]

>>5507752
the problem with hd sets without upscalers is that it line doubles 240p content which destroys the scanlines and looks like shit

[Anonymous No.5509993]

>>5509976
Thanks. I didn't realize the emulators could have independent resolution settings on the wii. Now I just have to fix this geometry issue.

[Anonymous No.5510027]

This will work for me.

[Anonymous No.5510098]

>>5510027
Make sure to set rendering to original for 240p

[Anonymous No.5510374]

Any suggestions for a PC CRT monitor 14" or smaller which can reach 1600x1200? Preferably not aperture grille, but if it must be then that's okay.

[Anonymous No.5510416]

The RetroArch Galaga test went pretty well. No photos because nothing I have tried really captures the nice halo effect the CRT glass creates. Even on a PC CRT monitor there is a small amount of natural glow that comes through, with nice phosphor trails in the star field and swarming enemies. By supplementing this with a bit of halation, diffusion, and contrast boost along with various other tweaks to convergence, mask type, triad size, and number of triads the end result can look very similar to the kind of monitor you might see in an older Galaga stand-up or cocktail out in the wild. Certainly a thousand miles away from what you get using an LCD.

[Anonymous No.5510417]

>>5510416
Well, looks like I attached it anyway. But please be aware it's not very representative.

[Anonymous No.5510450]

>>5510416
>Certainly a thousand miles away from what you get using an LCD.
Whatever makes you sleep at night. Just don't expect us to agree with you.

[Anonymous No.5510468]

>>5510450
Cringe.

[Anonymous No.5510474]

>>5510450
Just cut my self on the edge.

[Anonymous No.5510543]

>>5510450
You teleported away after this post, didn't you.

[Anonymous No.5510546]

>>5510374
Get a 10 inch tablet lol

[Anonymous No.5510616]

>>5510374
What's your intended use case? That's a tight resolution for such a small size, and by avoiding aperture grilles you're making your search harder, because AGs had some of the lowest dot/stripe pitch measurements of all CRTs.

[Anonymous No.5510728]

So /vr/, what about BVM vs PVM ?
From what I understand, BVMs are even better than PVM due to many more options for adjusting display and overal better build quality and output picture. Is there any anon who have any experience ?

Thing is that one local seller is offering 20 inch BVM-20F1E. I already have experience with much smaller PVM but wanted something bigger. His price is "somewhat" reasonable (around 1000 dolars) and fact that it is super near me makes it tempting for me. Do you think it is worth getting ?

[Anonymous No.5510750]

>>5510728
>$1 fucking k
>can't even do 480p
lmoa

[Anonymous No.5510792]

>>5510728
I would recommend a PVM over a BVM just because you don't have to worry about input cards with the former. More options for display (like tilt adjustments, for example) are usually unique to specific models rather than BVMs as a whole. That price is far from reasonable, and I would only consider paying half of that if it came with the necessary inputs. The only monitors I would ever consider dropping $1k on would be the D32, HDM-3830, or one of those huge Mitsubishi ones.

[Anonymous No.5510893]

>>5509006
>The benefits of HD resolutions are obvious IMO
I seriously can't say this with a straight face anymore. I've always been a stickler for image quality, but last weekend I was watching 1080p rips of Studio Ghibli movies on my CRT through an HDMI to S-video conversion in 480i, and as much as I've been desensitized to impressive video quality, I did a double-take. I watch those movies all the time on my LCD, and there were only marginal imperfections on the CRT, mostly due to the monitor being 22 years old. I was still seeing every detail in the cels and backgrounds. The few flaws the image did have (mostly ghosting) were entirely compensated for by the improved color richness and depth that comes with using a CRT.

I try not to be the kind of retro hipster that just unilaterally declares CRTs the best for everything, but I was legit impressed that my beat-up little workhorse PVM was giving me an image so crisp while still being interlaced.

>>5510728
BVMs largely rose to their exalted status because of youtubers who jerk off to scanlines, and dipshits who bought into the meme with more money than sense. BVMs are superior in terms of clarity and the array of control/settings/tweaks you have at your fingertips, but that's really more for seriously high-end video requirements. Those are the kinds of monitors that Hollywood used for editing and color-correcting. Specifically seeking one out to get a better 240p image out of a Super Nintendo is like using a Maserati to take the kids to get fro-yo. A PVM is more than enough. In fact, many people say that the scanlines on BVMs are so pronounced (since they were never really intended to be used for video games or 240p signals) that it becomes distracting. If you were going to get it for a couple hundred or less, then sure, but $1000 would only be "reasonable" if this were 15 years ago and you were trying to edit a Hollywood blockbuster.

[Anonymous No.5511051]

>>5510027
Looks good, anon

[Anonymous No.5511061]

>>5495132
(You)
Just wanted to congratulate you on a successful bait.

[Anonymous No.5511065]

>>5511061
thanks, cutie

[Anonymous No.5511070]

>>5510893
Couldn't agree more in regards to video playback on CRTs. I've recently started using my 14L5 as a second monitor (not always on, of course), and I watched some 4:3 anime via HD-SDI. I was able to compare it side by side with my LCD, and there really is no competition. For 480p and lower, any artifacting that can be seen on my LCD is practically invisible on the PVM. But seeing the higher res stuff is what really blew me away. Color and black levels are some of the most vibrant I've ever seen on any display. My crappy phone pic hardly does it any justice, but I feel like seeing this in person could cause anyone who thinks CRTs are 100% obsolete to reconsider. The only complaint I can think of is the underscan, which I'd probably chalk up to the resolution my computer is outputting.

[Anonymous No.5511117]

>>5511070
>but I feel like seeing this in person could cause anyone who thinks CRTs are 100% obsolete to reconsider
Exactly the thought I had. I tried taking pictures too, but obviously suffered from the same shitty phone camera issue, even moreso because my display was interlaced. A lot of people's negative opinions toward CRTs are flavored by bad memories from the early 2000s of worn out equipment with shitty video sources like fuzzy RF signals and beat-up VHS tapes and worn-out VCRs. (which end up looking even worse on LCD) When you give a CRT the same kind of high-quality source that has been widely adopted nowadays, they don't fuck around.

[Anonymous No.5511148]

>>5510893
>>5511070
Try an OLED or even a decent plasma TV. If you still jerk it over your fucking CRTs for HD material, you have extreme and unmanageable autism.

[Anonymous No.5511158]

>>5511148
Not either of those anons but I totally agree plasma and OLED can be great. I use a 1080p plasma currently because I don't think OLED is there yet, but watching DVDs on my widescreen CRT is a great experience. The sharpness obviously just isn't as good, but the smooth image, excellent motion and great contrast make for an very enjoyable, more natural looking film. If you haven't seen this you have no right to argue the contrary.

[Anonymous No.5511164]

>>5511148
We're not saying it's objectively better you fucking sperg, we're saying it's better than people give them credit for. Nobody is attacking your beloved OLEDs, but the gap isn't nearly as wide as you think it is. Plus, video quality starts to reach a point of diminishing returns. I'm not going to argue that an OLED doesn't have better clarity and detail than a fucking 20-year-old PVM, but given that OLED is something that is only just reaching its potential, while CRT was turning in a solid 85% of the same performance over two decades ago is impressive.

You're like a cunt who shows up to a track meet and shits on others for having fun tuning old street racers because they'll never be as fast as a Bugatti. Get a fucking life. Why are you even in this thread?

[Anonymous No.5511207]

>>5511158
>I don't think OLED is there yet
Image quality wise it is close. There are minor issues, yes, but nothing is perfect. Same goes for plasma and CRT.
>more natural looking film
Can't say I agree.
>>5511164
>We're not saying it's objectively better
Either you or the other guy basically were though. No one was attacking CRTs except for the ebin ledditposter in the beginning fo the thread, so they really didn't to be defended.
>Why are you even in this thread?
Because I like CRTs and use them for things that make sense in this day and age.

[Anonymous No.5511281]

>>5511207
>Either you or the other guy basically were though
Nice assumption. We just said that it could "cause anyone who thinks CRTs are obsolete to reconsider" and I literally even mentioned shortcomings in the CRT as compared to the LCD. It's just that when a CRT — a literally century-old invention, widely viewed by people as being outdated and inferior — can actually get within a hearty stone's throw of modern display quality simply by using an HD source, it's worth noting.

>I like CRTs
Then you should understand the appreciation of the technology and why people find it interesting to experiment with using them for different things, and trying to get the best out of them, instead of sperging out about how OLED is ackshually better for HD material so therefor everything else is pointless and autistic. I didn't realize you were the fucking technology police. Maybe you should post your list of things that it "makes sense" to use them for so nobody needs to get arrested.

[Anonymous No.5511352]

>>5511281
>We just said that it could "cause anyone who thinks CRTs are obsolete to reconsider"
But they literally are when it comes to HD content. Maybe recheck the definition of the word in case you meant something else. A CRT can't do anything that can be objectively measured that an OLED or a top tier plasma panel can't when it comes to contrast and color.
If anyone is watching HD content on CRTs in 2019 as anything other than an experiment they either have crippling autism or they're poor.
Yes, they're obviously not shit, but please.

[Anonymous No.5511368]

>>5511352
>either have crippling autism or they're poor
*or give less of a shit than you think they should

[Anonymous No.5511389]

>>5511352
I'd rather watch 1080i/p content on an SD CRT than a poor quality 4k LCD. For a start, the LCD will have terrible motion and scaling. Compounding this are the usual problems like terrible contrast/colour accuracy on the LCD. OLED TVs aren't worth a damn unless they use some kind of black frame insertion and the 4k they offer is simply not worth it in terms of available content.

[Anonymous No.5511424]

>>5501601
What if I have one of the bigger pvms already? (2530)

[Anonymous No.5511451]

>>5495125
any opinions on panasonic crt's

[Anonymous No.5511456]

>>5511451
I have a 13" consumer panasonic that has flawless geometry and holds up really well next to a pvm

[Anonymous No.5511478]

>>5510728
Fucking lol... $1000 for a monitor, what a joke.

[Anonymous No.5511486]

>>5511368
Right.
>>5511389
>LCD
Why are we bringing these up?
>OLED TVs aren't worth a damn unless they use some kind of black frame insertion
Yes, I fucking love stuttering as well. Besides, you can make OLEDs flicker now.
>the 4k they offer is simply not worth it in terms of available content
Who cares? It's not like it's detrimental.

[Anonymous No.5511492]

>>5496280
comfy, what camera are you using?

[Anonymous No.5511495]

>>5496469
i got a model like that, speakers need to be replaced though, but still great

[Anonymous No.5511501]

>>5511456
20 inch model with component and s video in my area for 25 bucks. i dont have a crt down here in my college apartment so im gonna pick it up.

[Anonymous No.5511616]

At what screen size does composite input become shitty?

[Anonymous No.5511646]

>>5511486
Modern LCD's are significantly better when it comes to contrast though. I got a new LCD TV and it's served me well so far. Still have a few CRTs around for old games though.

[Anonymous No.5511850]

>>5511486
>Why are we bringing these up?
Because the question is why would anyone use a SD CRT for HD content in this day and age and I just presented a scenario where I would
>Stuttering
When has black frame insertion ever caused stuttering? Do you even know what it is?
>Not like it's detrimental
Oh but it is. I love upscaling everything, making it blurry at the best of times and even blurrier in motion. You'd think integer scaling would help but it only does a little.

[Anonymous No.5511863]

Do cheap s video cables really make a difference? I've gotten tomee and kmd cables and I don't see any checkerboarding, am I lucky or just blind? They are cables that have the composite and s video video signal at the same time

[Anonymous No.5511907]

>>5511850
>Because the question is why would anyone use a SD CRT for HD content in this day and age and I just presented a scenario where I would
Maybe you replied to the wrong post?
>When has black frame insertion ever caused stuttering?
When you increase motion resolution you get more pronounced stuttering on pans and moving objects since you decrease the blur between frames. it's not exactly a hard concept to grasp.
>Oh but it is.
Nope. The difference between 1080p on a native 1080p panel and 1080p scaled on a 4k panel is basically non-existant.

[Anonymous No.5511939]

>>5511863
>Do cheap s video cables really make a difference?
Lots of cheap S-video cables will just send the composite signal through instead of actual S-video, so yes they make a huge difference. Not all cheap cables do this though. At best you'll end up with something poorly shielded but if it's not causing you problems then don't worry about it.

[Anonymous No.5511948]

>>5511451
Picked one up about a year ago and hated it. 20" model from early 00s. Severe ghosting which couldn't be fixed, bad color which I did fix, but it did have good geometry. The ghosting ultimately made it unusable to me and I moved back to my 13" Trinitron and Sanyo, both of which are better consumer grade sets in about every way.

[Anonymous No.5512005]

Can flat trinitrons be degaussed? There's a few bad spots on my KV-27FV17. Would doing an external degauss even be able to fix something like this? It's bugging the hell out of me. bls help

[Anonymous No.5512009]

>>5512005
You should be able to degauss just about any CRT without issue.

[Anonymous No.5512274]

>>5511616
pls respond ;_;

[Anonymous No.5512276]

>>5511616
Anything above 24" is probably a safe bet

[Anonymous No.5512279]

>>5512274
>>5511616
20-28" is the golden range for CRTs.
But if you have a big enough room, even a larger set can look good. Keep brightness low, contrast and sharpness high.
>>5512276
Concurred.

[Anonymous No.5512287]

>>5512279
>>5512276
Thank you for the help. I'll get the 20 incher composite near me.

[Anonymous No.5512310]

>>5511616
all sizes

[Anonymous No.5513114]

Does any one here know anything about this particular crt? I'm having trouble finding any info

[Anonymous No.5513132]

>>5512310
Not true.

[Anonymous No.5513157]

>>5513114
I don't know anything about that specific model, but I love '80s Mitsubishi TVs. They were indeed frequently marketed as TV/Monitors, and had a technology similar to "Trinitron" called "Diamond-Vision". As you can see, they had composite input, which was kind of rare on consumer TVs from that era, ergo the "monitor" designation. My mother bought us a 1987 Mistubishi TV/Monitor to use with our Commodore 64", and she was always a stickler for doing a TON of research before buying electronics. I used that set to play just about every video game up until 2008.

Mine was a CS-2001R, so a successor to that model. I loved the shit out of it. Had a great picture and was extremely reliable. As far as I know, it still works and is stored away in my parents' attic. I'd say that has the potential to be a great set for you, especially with the stylish exterior design. For free, you've really got nothing to lose.

Pic related, an actual blurry polaroid of my Mitsubishi in my bedroom circa 2000.

[Anonymous No.5513163]

>>5513157
All right! What you had to say really gets me even more excited for this~ I was already going to pick it up, but I feel better knowing all of this now. I'll be back with some pictures and stuff later

[Anonymous No.5513180]

>>5513163
Awesome, I'm looking forward to it. I'm actually planning to grab my old Mistubishi the next time I swing by my parents' place. This is another picture of the model I had, but not mine, specifically. Mistubishis from that era always had a blueish-gray tint on the screen when they were turned off, as opposed to the usual plain gray. Not sure what the significance is, but it's something that always brings back fond memories.

[Anonymous No.5513190]

>>5507991
Sorry, no, for whatever reason the hdmi port is dead on it. I really need to look into fixing it, hopefully it's just a dry or cracked solder joint.

>>5508839
Oh man that's pure sex for the eyes. Look great anon!

>>5508990
Good post. I recently got a 36" Toshiba with composite and s-video. Got a set of the first 3 Star Wars from goodwill for 99 cents. VCR is composite. The movies look damn nice. I'm not a huge proponent for VHS or anything, but for 99 cents it's amazing how good these look. You can't even get one Star Wars digitally (actually paying for it) for 99 cents. This shit is cheap as fuck and looks good. Thank you CRT for smoothing out the rough edges of an sd video source.
I have several Trinitrons, great tvs, but a huge 36" shadow mask looks damn fine and I actually prefer its look with SNES with s-video over rgb on the Trinitrons or PVM/BVM.
If anyone has read this far, don't be too quick to pass up a "composite and s-video" only tv. They can be fucking good. When starting I thought it was just "poorfags" trying to cope saying s-video was all that was needed, but they were 100% right for retro gaming. Arguments could be made for newer systems and video, but for retro, s-video on a large shadow mask is fucking hard to beat. Bang for buck and looks are god tier. TV was free, and 100% honest its better for playing than the 20" PVM I paid $600 for. $600 wasn't a financial burden for me, but for gaming it wasn't worth it. For anime and movies it was worth it.

[Anonymous No.5513235]

>>5513190
>I'm not a huge proponent for VHS or anything, but for 99 cents it's amazing how good these look
I've made this same post before in these threads, so sorry if I'm basically just repeating myself, but I had a very similar experience. I've had my PVM for many years, and only used it for games, but last summer I moved house and had more room, so I decided to add a VCR to my setup after finding a really nice one for 10 bucks on ebay. I was never even a huge Star Wars fan, but I nabbed a set of the original trilogy and marathoned them all in one night and I fell in love. People always exaggerate or mis-remember how "bad" VHS actually looked. With proper tracking, good equipment, and a clean signal, you can get some damn solid picture quality. And with Hi-Fi stereo, which became standard on tapes in the early '80s, the sound quality is on par with CD. Plus, as you said, the softness of the analog image works to the favor of the special effects and smooths a lot of the hard edges of green-screen effects and the like. You still see an impressive amount of detail in the picture, too, especially if you're using a digitally-remastered copy of a movie from the later '90s. Not nearly as much clarity as true HD, but watching the original trilogy this way made me ask "Do I really need to be able to see the individual fibers on Obi-Wan's cloak?"

I grew up being a stickler for video quality, but now my stance on VHS is that, while it doesn't look anywhere near as good as HD, it still doesn't look bad in the slightest. My dad had a friend who was an electrician and into refurbishing TVs and A/V equipment, and he always used to say that analog signals "fail gracefully", and now I completely understand.

[Anonymous No.5513458]

Got a Sony Wega TV. I really like it, the only 2 issues I have with it are that because it's flatscreen the geometry is fucked, and no matter how much I mess around with that 240P utility I can't get it to be perfect, heck I think I did more wrong than good and my other issue is with my SNES which has a very slight "flickering issue". The screen is moving up and down, but I think that's console related since other consoles (N64, Wii) don't do it, any idea how to fix these?
Is there a way I can set the TV back to the default settings in the service menu?

[Anonymous No.5513479]

>>5513458 here
I just checked my games and all my saves are gone?
I checked Super Mario World, Donkey Kong and Metroid Prime, and my saves are gone!
Can it be that either the NTSC adapter or the 110 in 1 cart I got from ebay fucked up my saves?

[Anonymous No.5513487]

>>5513479
It was the universal adapter.
Other games I haved tried using with it still have the saves

[Anonymous No.5513503]

>>5513180
I know I took forever, but I finally got everything all set up~

All I have is a Wii for the moment, but it works well enough. The picture is, so much better than I was expecting. The TV was a lot bigger than I thought it'd be, actually... I'm not sure what to do about the mono sound, but I see some headphone jacks on the front of the tv. So maybe that's an option.

[Anonymous No.5513504]

>>5513503
A couple more photos

[Anonymous No.5513508]

>>5513504

[Anonymous No.5513520]

>>5513190
>don't be too quick to pass up a "composite and s-video" only tv
S-video is baller. I've got a PVM and have been using RGB simply because, well, I have the opportunity so why not, but S-video is amazing. I'm actually going to be playing Skies of Arcadia on my Dreamcast via S-video, because it's one of the literal handful of games that doesn't support RGB at 60hz.

>>5513503
>>5513504
>>5513508
Fan-fucking-tastic, anon. That's a pretty damn crisp image for a 35-year-old composite set. I'd say you done good. Vintage Mitsubishis are great sets that need to be talked about more.

As far as audio, my solution has always been to have an exterior receiver or amplifier and plug the systems into that instead of the TV, but the headphone jack certainly seems to offer a quick and easy alternative.

[Anonymous No.5513532]

>>5513520
I know right? Like, I can't believe this is composite, let alone a 35 year old TV. The owner says it wasn't used very much, so that might be why too.
How would the head phone jacks work for stereo though? The tv has 3 RCA jacks, but the first one is TV out, composite, and then TV in. It's a little confusing for me. The owner tried to find the manual for me, but couldn't in time.

[Anonymous No.5513546]

>>5513532
Are you getting audio now? What do you have it plugged into?

My Mitsubishi only had 2 RCA jacks as I remember, one for video and one for audio, so I had to buy one of these unions to mash both tracks down into mono. If that's how yours works, then you'll only be able to get mono out of the headphone jack as well, because the TV isn't going to internally separate the channels, which is why I usually advocate finding a cheapo receiver at a flea market or something and bypassing the whole thing.

[Anonymous No.5513605]

>>5510374
I don't think those exist, 14" monitors tend to max out at 768p and I haven't seen any manufactured after the mid-90's, well before graphics cards capable of 1600x1200 were commonplace.

[Anonymous No.5513617]

>>5513157
>Commodore 64"
thats a big commodore

[Anonymous No.5513630]

>>5513617
LOAD"*",4,U

[S A M A N T H A !paNTieSxWM No.5513685]

I finally got it!

[S A M A N T H A !paNTieSxWM No.5513691]

>>5513685

[Anonymous No.5513701]

>>5513685
looks like shit.

[Anonymous No.5513716]

>>5513701
Back to /v/ with you

[Anonymous No.5513719]

>>5513716
Did you find that in a fucking dumpster lol

[S A M A N T H A !paNTieSxWM No.5513727]

>>5513701
>>5513719
>being this butt hurt

[Anonymous No.5513734]

>>5513719
>broadcast monitor
>dumpster

/v/tards need to GTFO

[Anonymous No.5513752]

>>5513235
>With proper tracking, good equipment, and a clean signal
Maybe the problem is that the average setup didn't have this? I popped in a tape recently and yeah, it was not great.

[Anonymous No.5513852]

>>5513727
This butthurt at not being able to afford good shit. Your setup looks pathetic.

[Anonymous No.5513871]

>>5513685
>I finally got it!
Seeing pictures of these makes me glad I have let them sit on the shelf at the second hand store every time. If I wanted a screen that small, I would another gameboy.

[Anonymous No.5513885]

>>5513685
>I finally got it!
Seeing pictures of these makes me glad I have let them sit on the shelf at the second hand store every time. If I wanted a screen that small, I would get another gameboy.

[S A M A N T H A !paNTieSxWM No.5513936]

>>5513852
geez man why are you so upset

get off this board

go outside

[Anonymous No.5513962]

>>5513503
Looks awesome, anon. I love the design of sets from that era, I'd love to have a similar one if it were small enough.

[Anonymous No.5513965]

For some reason my set toggles between brightness but only on S-Video. Anyone know how to fix

[Anonymous No.5514039]

>>5513190
I like the pic another anon posted in another thread as an S-video demonstration: >>5512680

[Anonymous No.5514083]

>>5513936
geez man why are you so upset

this is an anonymous imageboard

respect the culture

drop the trip

[Anonymous No.5514126]

How many games have you fagtrons actually completed on your pro-tier CRTs?

[Anonymous No.5514127]

>>5513458
>I think I did more wrong than good
>Is there a way I can set the TV back to the default settings in the service menu?

You're supposed to write down or take a photo of all factory settings pages before changing even one setting on one page. Best practice even includes remembering the order you change certain settings, because on some manufacturers' service menus, changing one value can change other values elsewhere.

Even if you found someone else with the same model TV, you couldn't just copy their settings, because every tube is going to be different. And resetting to defaults doesn't necessarily bring you back to the state you had before, it could take you all the way back to the state of the TV prior to factory configuration.

That's why all this stuff is hidden in a service menu to begin with.

[Anonymous No.5514128]

>>5513685
am I being memed? do people actually use a monitor this size as their primary /vr/ gaming monitor?

[Anonymous No.5514131]

>>5513734
Years ago I pulled a PVM 1271Q out of a manure pile. Worked perfectly after clean-up.

[Anonymous No.5514134]

>>5513504
mmm glorious cromaclear, I am jelly

[Anonymous No.5514136]

>>5513503
>I'm not sure what to do about the mono sound, but I see some headphone jacks on the front of the tv. So maybe that's an option.
Does it have stereo input jacks? Odd if it did, but only had the one speaker.

[Anonymous No.5514148]

>>5514126
I've completed about 12 this past year as a full time wageslave adult. But I'm not one of the fagtrons, I'll readily admit a large consumer set with shadow mask is much better.

Honestly the pvm/bvm worship for use with RETRO GAMES is zoomer tier ignorance at best and epeen ego tripping at the worst.

I enjoy the rgb info out there on youtube but I feel they miss the point and have lead a lot of people into blissful ignorance.

Not poorfagging here, but you can pay literally hundreds of times the price for a setup and get no more enjoyment out of it than someone with a nice consumer setup. It's the same tier ignorance as shelf collectors who don't play the games ever.

[Anonymous No.5514149]

>>5514128
I'm in the same boat, I can't tell if it's satire or autism

[S A M A N T H A !paNTieSxWM No.5514151]

>>5514128
I’m not trying to be mean but are you genuinely autistic? I own like 6 TVs

I just don’t get why you guys are so jaded

[Anonymous No.5514153]

>>5514128
>>5514149

Not the tripfag but some people collect crt tech and enjoy trying its different variations. I'm sure it's not his/her main setup but just something to piss around with.

[Anonymous No.5514162]

>>5514153
They're clearly fucking with the tripfag just for tripping.

[S A M A N T H A !paNTieSxWM No.5514172]

>>5514148
I totally agree with all this. I've played most of my games on any device ive happened to have. I just collect these because its a hobby and I love hardware

[Anonymous No.5514231]

>>5514126
Played through the Ace Combat series almost in its entirety on my PVM.

[Anonymous No.5514247]

>>5513546
Yeah I have audio now. I just plugged in one audio cable into the tv and put the wii into mono in the settings.

I'll have to look into receivers though, I don't really know how that would work. Thanks Anon.

>>5513962
I love it too! But I'll be honest, my dumbass thought it would be half the siz, something I could fit on the nightstand next to me. I'm still happy with it though.

>>5514136
Nah, no stereo input.

[Anonymous No.5514437]

>>5514148
>declares that his way of playing retro vidya is best and anyone who wants a PVM/BVM is ignorant and wrong
>accuses other people of "ego tripping"
Wow, self-awareness isn't one of your strong suits, is it? All CRTs are awesome and I would never shit on someone who just enjoys using a consumer set, but this just makes it sound like you have the worst case of sour grapes, ever. Hell, even the dipshit tripfag is agreeing with you. >>5514172 Kind of embarrassing.

[Anonymous No.5514453]

>>5514437
Desu, I don't care what anyone plays with. I'm not going to write a disclaimer that "this is my personal opinion" on every post I make. Anyone without autism that can read social cues or at least understand that things are subjective would realize this.

I don't care what someone uses, but in my personal opinion/preference, bvm and even pvm look worse on anything older than 5th gen or video. CRTs rock and good on you for using them. Honestly I'd rather play retro on a crt with RF than on a flatscreen. It looks better (again in my opinion/preference since you had a hard time picking up on this).

[Anonymous No.5514469]

>>5514247
>I'll have to look into receivers though, I don't really know how that would work.
It's super-easy and totally worth it, but it does add some bulk to your setup. You can try and nab a stereo receiver or integrated amplifier from craigslist or a flea market or whatever, like the spiffy Nikko receiver in pic related, here. An amplifier would be a similar unit, just dedicated to only processing sound, while a stereo receiver has a built-in radio tuner, but both would be performing the same basic function here, and both would have a similar-looking rear panel. You'll also need a set of speakers sized to your liking and some speaker wire.

Plug your composite video lead into the TV like normal, but plug the red and white audio leads into any pair of the RCA input jacks (circled in red). Then put your speaker wires into the positive and negative speaker output posts (circled in green) and you're good to go. If you decide to go this route, it's all pretty easy to put the pieces together once you've got them in hand.

Alternatively, if you want to buy a cheapo compact stereo amplifier from Amazon, something like this:
>https://www.amazon.com/Lepai-LP-2020TI-Instruments-TPA3118-Amplifier/dp/B071FJF4FF/ref=sr_1_fkmrnull_2?keywords=Lepai+LP-2020TI+Digital+Hi-Fi+Audio+Mini&qid=1555726869&s=electronics&sr=1-2-fkmrnull
It would largely be fulfilling the same function. If you poke around you might be able to find one that also has a headphone jack so you could do that and take up even less space.

[Anonymous No.5514481]

>>5514469
I'll definitely second this, if you watch on craigslist, thrift stores, facebook, pawn shops, etc, you can find some pretty good recievers that would have cost hundreds of dollars back then for like $25 or less. People all want bluetooth and "modern" receivers or amps now, but you can get some really good stuff that is built like a tank for less than you can get a generic bluetooth speaker nowadays.

[S A M A N T H A !paNTieSxWM No.5514495]

>>5514437
I'm saying not everyone has access to PVM's and BVM's and if you just some random set to play and enjoy games that's fine

Even just posting here in an enthusiast thread you just see lots of jaded comments about why would you buy this

tl;dr reddit literally has better culture than this board

[Anonymous No.5514496]

>>5514495
This thread, and by extension board has gone to total shit. Too many depressed people on here acting like a jack-ass because they are frustrated with their lives.

[S A M A N T H A !paNTieSxWM No.5514508]

>>5514496
I mean it makes sense. I know lots of people who grew up in poverty idealizing the few bits of tech they had. It's esp hard to not act like a child if you have a personality disorder. Most of retro gaming is filled with autism, psychological splitting and jaded sad attitudes but I love my hobby enough to put up with it

[Anonymous No.5514521]

>>5514495
>reddit literally has better culture than this board
You should go back. Perhaps the fruit-flies will love you there. The basic fact is that you bought an overpriced and undersized meme of a TV, and /vr/ has no issue pointing this out. The truth hurts, and if you can't stand hearing the truth it may be best that you leave. Welcome to the internet. Facts overrule feelings. If you love your monitor, great. That is really what is important. That is the neat thing about feelings....they are yours, and you cannot make others share them with you, especially when they are misguided and irrational.

[Anonymous No.5514529]

>>5514496
>>5514495
>tl;dr reddit literally has better culture than this board

Desu, I'm the anon you agreed with, but I can't agree with this. You just have to filter out the trolls, 4chan is nicer because it's not a hugbox echo chamber.

[Anonymous No.5514530]

>>5514481
Totes. A few years back I snatched up a super-nice Marantz stereo receiver at a church fair for a literal dollar. I already had more AV shit than I had room for, so I gave it to my brother, and he still uses it to listen to music out in his garage. Sounds amazing.

>>5514495
>I'm saying not everyone has access to PVM's and BVM's and if you just some random set to play and enjoy games that's fine
Nobody in this thread has said anything to the contrary. It was that other dipshit that tried to declare, unilaterally, that PVMs are a waste and nobody is allowed to enjoy them.
>tl;dr reddit literally has better culture than this board
So then why don't you go back and stay there? I refuse to believe you aren't just a fucking troll at this point.

>>5514496
Honestly it seems more like a tripfag and some objectivist cunts try to start shit just for attention. I've just been trying to help out that dude who nabbed the sweet Mitsubishi. As usual, it's the oblivious shits that are trying to decry the state of these threads that are usually the ones making them worse.

[Anonymous No.5514549]

Got the tv for free a few years ago along with the remote. Ordered a s-video cable for GameCube. Not sure what else to do with the tv, is there something in the menus I should adjust?

[Anonymous No.5514554]

>>5514126
None, I just turn the system on and admire the scanlines on the title screen then go to bed with a smug look.

[S A M A N T H A !paNTieSxWM No.5514558]

Should I head out and get component cables for my wii? I hate how much it dims vc games if I use my elgato to capture

[Anonymous No.5514559]

>>5514554
sadly, I do not know if this is irony

[S A M A N T H A !paNTieSxWM No.5514560]

>>5514558
heres rondo

[Anonymous No.5514573]

>>5514558
>>5514560
Stop using official VC dummy.

[Anonymous No.5514613]

>>5514573
Official VC is better than Homebrew emulators on Wii in it's current state

[S A M A N T H A !paNTieSxWM No.5514675]

>>5514560
cant believe this is just composite

[Anonymous No.5514679]

>>5514675
...is that supposed to look good? There's weird lines everywhere all over the screen.

[S A M A N T H A !paNTieSxWM No.5514680]

>>5514679
my phone camera doesn't really capture it well. its just very clear and there's no flicker in the image what so ever

[Anonymous No.5514717]

>>5514469
I haven't used built in speakers on an CRT/LCD since the 90s. Even before buying receivers I'd just use the AUX inputs on my stereo. People ditch good 5/7.1 receivers left and right and Thrift stores sell them for damn near nothing

[Anonymous No.5514736]

>>5514717
Yup. Audiophiles are a dying breed, and the average consumer pretty ignorant about audio equipment, so most people just go for soundbars and other bluetooth crap. Most of my thrift stores have stopped taking in audio equipment as well as CRTs, because they're not selling, and people are just dumping off junk on them to avoid having to pay for proper disposal.

[Anonymous No.5514828]

Anybody here have a Garo transcoder from BeharBros?

I only need it for component to VGA, since my CRT has both RGB BNC and VGA connectors, and I'd just as well have this hooked into my VGA input. I've heard some issues with the component to SCART side of things (purple tint), but was wondering if the VGA output is fine or not.

Or, any other suggestions for a Component to VGA transcoder? I'd like something cheaper than the Garo, but I want to make sure whatever I get works so I can get one more step closer to not having to fuck around with video cables.

[Anonymous No.5514829]

>>5514828
Transcoding would add at least a frame of input delay, fucking dumbass.

[Anonymous No.5514835]

>>5514829
>Transcoding would add at least a frame of input delay, fucking dumbass.

L O L

>Transcoding would add at least a frame of input delay, fucking dumbass.

>Transcoding would add at least a frame of input delay, fucking dumbass.

>Transcoding would add at least a frame of input delay, fucking dumbass.

[Anonymous No.5514865]

>>5514828
The cheapo Mayflash one is pretty much the same as the Garo inside.

[Anonymous No.5515010]

>>5514828
Regarding the bit of a purple tint thing it's just something that TI chip does, affects the VGA out too, and the Mayflash that uses the same chip (or possibly a clone of it, they scratch the name off)

[Anonymous No.5515046]

>>5514127
Yeah, I did realize I fucked up by not taking a picture of the base settings. Luckily the TV was only like 20€ so it's not that much of a loss and I have learned my lesson.

[Anonymous No.5515048]

>>5514495
>tl;dr reddit literally has better culture than this board
So go back, and fucking stay there, you pathetic faggot.

[Anonymous No.5515060]

>>5514717
>>5514736
Old surround receivers are practically useless, so it makes sense that people are dumping them. Mine is only a few years old, and not just some cheap junk, but it's basically useless if you have a 4k TV.

[Anonymous No.5515076]

>>5514469
Ah, now I remember these machines. I used to see them all the time when I was little. An integrated amplifier sounds perfect for what I need. I'll poke around for one with a 3.5mm jack, since that sounds a lot more convenient. Though, I'm starting to get used to the mono speaker. It's a pretty good quality speaker, honestly. I think I might get one of those Y cables to mix the stereo down into mono in the mean time. I want to set up this crt in a back room eventually, make it all comfy.
>>5514481
Yeah! Craigslist is exactly where I got the tv actually. The guy was giving it away for free, was a really rich, nice, neighborhood. Do you have any recommended brands or models to keep an eye out for though?

>>5514717
That sounds pretty nice honestly. I'm super used to the built in speakers in any tv or monitor, even when I was a kid. I had a friend that had a really nice speaker set up, and that was what showed me that things could be a lot better than the built in stuff.

[Anonymous No.5515205]

>>5515076
>Do you have any recommended brands or models to keep an eye out for though?

Honestly it's a whole can of worms. Anything will probably work just fine for retro audio. If it's a name brand you remotely recognize, you'll be ok.

Obviously there is a huge range and I'm no audiophile when concerned with retro game audio. I'd say just do some research, it's too large of a subject to discuss here and I'm no expert.

Sony, JVC, JBL, Marantz, Fisher, Pioneer, Technics, Panasonic, etc. Look for one that looks like it's built like a tank and fits the look you're going for. It's not going to take an audiophile level receiver to sound good on retro stuff. Basically if you find it, it's in your budget, then get it because it will probably be just fine.

Again, not an expert here but it's not rocket science unless you want to go down the rabbit hole of the audiophile hobby.

[Anonymous No.5515209]

>>5514613
Not true.

[Anonymous No.5515241]

>>5515060
The HDMI panacea strikes again. This wouldn't be a problem if we kept video and audio on separate cables like Jesus intended, and modularized our processing and switching equipment accordingly.

[Anonymous No.5515279]

>>5515060
It is true that HDMI connections/compatibility are a bitch but for older consoles or your PC these fuckers work just fine

[S A M A N T H A !paNTieSxWM No.5515319]

>>5515048
Nah

[Anonymous No.5515486]

>>5515060
Really? Did they stop putting audio out ports on the back of TVs? My LCD is 6 years old, and it had an audio pass through that would let me easily plug it into any receiver.

>>5515076
I'll agree with all of what >>5515205 said. Aim for older units from around the '70s made by big name brands. Stuff with stainless steel faceplates and wooden casings. Those are your bulletproof tanks that'll last for a solid century. A good rule of thumb is to make sure it was made in Japan and not China/Malaysia/Taiwan, etc. It'll always be stamped on the back somewhere.

[Anonymous No.5515537]

>>5515241
Well, HDMI 2.1 with eARC will be coming this year. Which is nice...
>>5515279
Yes. I was just explaining why people are letting go of them.
>>5515486
Yeah, but you're stuck with lossy audio (and having to plug all your shit into your TV).
@5515319
Isn't there a speedrunning event you should be attending or something?

[Anonymous No.5515559]

>>5515319

[S A M A N T H A !paNTieSxWM No.5515641]

>>5515559
great i wont have to deal with this retard

[Anonymous No.5515642]

Can anyone help me get into the service menu for a Mitsubishi Fastext C14T7L in Ireland? I've tried all the [menu] [x x x x] codes I can find but nothing is getting me anywhere.

[Anonymous No.5515647]

so um, is there a wiki or guide for CRT TVs/Monitors so I can do my research and keep an eye out for the best ones.

[Anonymous No.5515663]

>>5515647
Just go by brand and time of release. The later the better, but avoid flat screens if you can.
Early 90s or late 80s sets are more likely to have issues with capacitors and the like. Earliest I'd want to go personally for something quality and reliable is mid 90s.
When it comes to brand, Sony, JVC, Toshiba and Sharp are your safest bets.
Magnavox, Orion, Panasonic, and Sanyo are typically lower end sets but some can manage to look pretty decent with some attention and care.

[Anonymous No.5515683]

>>5515663
what's this with PVM and BVM? and is there some particular model that is considered the holy-grail of CRTs?

[Anonymous No.5515979]

Are there any white CRT's with RGB inputs or are they all black/silver?

[Anonymous No.5515981]

>>5515979
theyre all shit

[Anonymous No.5515993]

>>5515647
>is there a wiki
Sadly no, /crt/ does not maintain anything as collaborative or comprehensive as that.

>or guide
We have those. Follow the link to the previous thread in the OP for the thread's regular collection of pastebins. My problem with any single-author guides are mostly with brand recommendations. Any one person's suggested list of brands will tend to represent personal bias based on limited experience or even unreliable hearsay, no matter how well-meaning. Kya's guides are generally good and his main guide has a short brand list that I generally agree with, but it is incomplete and he understood that well enough to mark it as a placeholder.

[Anonymous No.5516097]

>>5505629
100Hz. Will be decent for games, but light gun support is not good and has the same artifacting as when using 240p@120Hz on a pc monitor.

[Anonymous No.5516236]

>>5515979

[Anonymous No.5516243]

>>5515979
Look up for medical monitors, usually PVM ending in -MD, or Olympus rebrands

[Anonymous No.5516258]

>>5516236
>>5516243
Thank you bronons.

[Anonymous No.5516542]

So I managed to find this picture of a stand for the PVM 2030 and 2530 in an old advertisement? Does anybody know anything about it?

[Anonymous No.5516543]

>>5516542
Also this picture of it on some random korean blog

[Anonymous No.5516562]

>>5516542
Post the rest of the ad

[Anonymous No.5516569]

>>5516562
http://www.advancedaudiorentals.com/docs/sony_pvm-2530_.pdf

[Anonymous No.5516594]

Whoever makes the next OP, can you please copy the OP from the previous post for quality posterity. I don't know who baked this one, but they dropped the ball.

[S A M A N T H A !paNTieSxWM No.5516706]

I think I’ll need to recap my big monitor it’s got this flicker issue I can’t fix

[Anonymous No.5516726]

>>5516706
RIP

[Anonymous No.5516823]

>>5515979
>white CRT
>RGB input

[Anonymous No.5516834]

What would happen if I bought a piece of smoked glass for an arcade cab like one of these:
http://thearcadeboneyard.com/monitor_glass/tinted_monitor_glass.php
Then I built a wooden cube and stuck a CRT television or monitor inside of it with the glass in front of it?

Dumb? Cool? Both?

[Anonymous No.5516858]

>>5516834
Something like this.

[Anonymous No.5517143]

>>5516594
The old thread fell to page 10 and off the board with no replacement. I don't know why whoever does the thread these days didn't make one during that time.

So, I made this thread using the old template and one of the old OP webms I made from 5 years ago that I still had on my hard drive. Does Kya even post any more? Last time I was still active, he turned his trip off to post the new thread every time.

[Anonymous No.5517240]

>>5516706
>it’s got this flicker issue I can’t fix
It could be anything, and unless you diagnose it properly you are just guessing. It could be issues with your power (Irrelevant of how EVERYTHING else works fine) to magnetic interference or even something unrelated to the caps.


>>5517143
>I don't know why whoever does the thread these days didn't make one during that time.
Anyone can make the thread. There is no designated baker. There is certainly nothing wrong with making one when it hits max replies or vanishes from the board, but there is great info in the OP that is missing from this thread. Consider it constructive criticism, and nothing negative. I am glad this thread was refreshed. I too have refreshed it from time to time, but I don't sit in here waiting for it to hit 500 replies/page 11.

>>5517143
>Kya
I see that namefag from time to time, so I would say he is still active.

[Anonymous No.5517257]

>>5517240
Well it's not like I signed up for anything. I may be browsing /vr/ again but I don't want my old job back. After me, it was Kya for a long time, I just assumed he still made them.

[Anonymous No.5517334]

[Anonymous No.5517339]

>>5515979
>>5516569

Seems like Ivory 2030 also exist. I never saw a picture of one tho.

[Anonymous No.5517476]

Retard with no technical knowledge whatsoever here, I got this for £20 and used a £5 converter from HDMI to RCA. Why this black and white

[Anonymous No.5517482]

>>5517476
Looks like NTSC signal fed into a PAL TV.

[Anonymous No.5517484]

>>5517482
Weirdly, the converter was on the PAL setting, and I switched it to NTSC and now there’s colour. Thanks man

[Anonymous No.5517562]

>>5514828
I have the latest Garo and I use it to connect a Wii to a VGA monitor. It works as expected as far as I can tell.

[Anonymous No.5517581]

>>5517257
>I may be browsing /vr/ again but I don't want my old job back.
I don't blame you, but by the same token if a general is popular, others will make it out of a desire to engage in the conversations. If I had to guess, I have made 8-10 /crt/ threads in /vr/ because I love what happens here usually. Although after perusing this most recent thread, I think there is something wrong. This whole thread had the wrong vibes.

[Anonymous No.5517587]

>>5517581
All of /vr/ has gotten worse from what I can see, but not by much. This thread started with that reddit pasta. I've never been a believer that the OP of any eternal general really matters much beyond being searchable from the catalog. Vibes, ok dude.

[Anonymous No.5517810]

I have a Wii modded with a Wii Dual and it looks like it's still not perfectly clean. It's cleaner and sharper than it normally is but it still has a decent bit of noise attached. I mostly noticed it at 1200p with an OSSC but it's practically invisible on a CRT at least.

[Anonymous No.5517854]

I’ve never beaten FF6 because I always quit at Kefka’s tower, but for some reason I pulled it out and finally beat it at 4am this morning.

[Anonymous No.5517857]

>>5517810
>hdmi modded wii
>$115.00, just for the kit
top kek, it would have been cheaper just to buy the official hdmi modded and OC'd wii.

[Anonymous No.5517983]

>>5516706
>buys 8" entry-level pro meme monitor to jump on the bandwagon because r*ddit told him to (he admitted to browsing r*ddit)
>calls the smallest commonly available PVM "big"
>decides that he doesn't like the "flicker" and convinces himself that there's something wrong with the monitor, when in reality he's probably just never used a CRT before
>doesn't know what he's doing, yet is convinced that he has the skills needed to replace several dozen surface-mount and through-hole components by hand without ruining a perfectly fine monitor

[Anonymous No.5517990]

>>5517857
I have one of those too actually. It's okay but it looks softer in Wii mode.

[Anonymous No.5517994]

I have a decent SD professional monitor that I found for free but I think it's old so the colors are kind of wrong. Like everything looks too yellow and desaturated by default. What's the best way to fix this?

[Anonymous No.5518049]

>>5517983
To be fair, 240p shouldn't have any kind of flicker, though.

>>5517994
My monitor had this issue back when I first got it. It would only occur after it had been on for a while, and only while using the RGB inputs. Composite, S-video and component were fine. I ended up replacing the entire input board with a spare from a kind anon and it works like a charm.

Is the video always like that no matter what inputs you use? If so, it may just need some tweaking of the gamma and color temp settings. Check how to access the service menu for your specific model. If it's only discolored when using a certain input, it might be an issue with that circuit on the input board. If that all fails then it could be something bigger that might require serious repair, but test the simple stuff first.

[Anonymous No.5518071]

>>5518049
I mostly notice it with RGB, I suppose. I might need to do more testing

[Anonymous No.5518085]

>>5518049
>>5518071
Looks like it's still yellowish even with component cables. It affects the entire screen too, not just one part.

[Anonymous No.5518152]

>>5518085
Did you check your service menu? What color temp are you using?

[Anonymous No.5518169]

>>5517339
Yeah I'm really interested in that and seeing pictures of it

[Anonymous No.5518201]

>>5518152
I didn't check the service menu but it was on 9300k. I think it's just old.

[Anonymous No.5518285]

>>5517983
>calls the smallest commonly available PVM "big"
this one's just you being easy

[Anonymous No.5518325]

Are there any converters for HDMI to RGB SCART?

[Anonymous No.5518378]

>>5518325
there might be a one-box solution, but if not you'd probably have to use an hdmi to vga converter (which do exist) then use a downscan converter to bring the signal down to 15khz. you would lose any extra hd detail any way you do it tho since you're trying to use scart. if your tv takes high def component or even vga you'd be better off using that. and if your source is anything lower than 480p then the hdmi to vga adapter might be doing upscaling for it to work in which case this would be a messy way to do it.

[Anonymous No.5518439]

>>5518378
Thanks anon

[Kya !kDashing02 No.5518860]

>>5517143
Still here; Just sort of had to back away from a lot of stuff for health reasons. Had the thread(s) up but haven't really been following much. Haven't even been posting on the server much either.

>>5517257
Feb 15ths thread is the last one I made personally.

>>5515993
>Kya's guides
Those are so incredibly out of date it's not even funny. I want/need to redo them, but any time I've attempted to everything falls of the rails due to technicalities requiring "accurate" representation ballooning the size a guide would be and would end up sacrificing readability. Soon, maybe (or not)


On that:
New Thread:
>>5518845
>>5518845