/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.5490639]

This is a really good console; just not a very good fifth generation console.

[Anonymous No.5490640]

So would you consider it a transitional console along the same lines as the TurboGrafx-16, Atari Jaguar and Sega Dreamcast?

[Anonymous No.5490642]

>>5490639
sage

[Anonymous No.5491647]

>>5490640
Calling straight out failures just "transitions" is pretty generous. Arguably the only time the get-there-first approach didn't end in disaster was with the Genesis

[Anonymous No.5491670]

>pc engine was a failure
Anglo-centrism at its best.

[Anonymous No.5491718]

>>5491670
it was a tepid success at best in japan

started strong and beat the megadrive, but promptly after the super famicom launch, hucard sales dropped off like a brick

the occasional well-selling JRPG on the pc engine CD add-on kept the system from dying an early death, but it always remained niche

[Anonymous No.5491906]

>>5491647
Being the first console to launch worked well for them in Japan.

[Anonymous No.5491915]

>>5490639
>This is a really good console
This is true. Specs-wise, the Saturn is fantastic and blew the PS1 out of the water entirely.

Problem is, they fucked consumers and retailers by stealthily releasing it (immediately after the 32X in the US) and they fucked third-party devs by using quadrilaterals for polygons and having no development tools, to where devs had to program in fucking assembly language.

[Anonymous No.5491950]

>>5490639
That's actually a good way to put. Really good library and interesting tech in retrospect, but not 3D centric enough for the time of 5th gen.

[Anonymous No.5492046]

>>5491950
How it is any less "3D centric" than PS1?

[Anonymous No.5492640]

>>5492046
Doesn't use triangles for polys.

[Anonymous No.5492658]

Name 10 games for the Saturn that were released in the US and that aren't better played in MAME

[Anonymous No.5492667]

>>5492658
>name x games that fit my cherrypicked criteria

[Anonymous No.5492673]

>>5492658
Panzer Dragoon/Panzer Dragoon II/Panzer Dragoon Saga
Shining Force 3
GunGriffon
NiGHTS into Dreams
Burning Rangers
Shining the Holy Ark
Saturn Bomberman
Fighter's Megamix
Dragon Force
Albert Odyssey
Magic Knight Rayearth
Guardian Heroes

[Anonymous No.5492676]

>>5492667
>it's a good console all the games are just in moonrunes or inferior to the arcade version

[Anonymous No.5492718]

>>5492640
How is that not 3D?

[Anonymous No.5492726]

>>5490639
They're all just settings in retroarch to me.

[Anonymous No.5492740]

>>5492658
dark savior
deep fe... oh wait it was only in europe

[Anonymous No.5492775]

Didn't the Saturn sell more than the N64 in Japan?

[Anonymous No.5492792]

>>5491915
They should have been used to assembly anyway.

[Anonymous No.5492809]

>>5492718
It's 3D. Just less efficient and versatile 3D

[Anonymous No.5493591]

>>5490639
Are you trying to deliberately misinterpret the "it's a bad installment of its series but still a good game in its own right" thing?

[Anonymous No.5493623]

You can interpret it as 4th gen if you want, the generations aren't set in stone. It would involve Sega releasing two consoles in the same gen but it's not as if Sega weren't cracked out of their minds during fourth gen anyway. Then maybe you could put dreamcast as fifth gen. However, considering the saturn can do substantial 3d even up to the likes of quake and tomb raider (if quite badly). Also it would be awkward how sega would have the best consoles of fourth and fifth gen.

[Anonymous No.5493676]

>>5492673
The original Panzer Dragoon and NiGHTS are disqualified because they have PC ports, too.

[Anonymous No.5493724]

>>5490639
They should have took that risk and stuck with it being a 2D only console like they originally were going to do. It should have also been a cartridge based console with backward compatibility.

[Anonymous No.5493738]

>>5492775
Correct but Japs have shit taste in gaming.

[Anonymous No.5493745]

>>5492792
>1994
>programming 5 separate CPUs simultaneously
>in asm

[Anonymous No.5494242]

>>5493676
Ok? That's still more than 10 games.

Not to mention Panzer Dragoon's PC port isn't all that playable these days unless you have a Windows 95 machine laying around. NiGHTS has it's fair share of porting issues too.

[Anonymous No.5494739]

>>5493738
>implying N64 wasn't shit taste

[Anonymous No.5494958]

>>5490639

>This was the last good console ever made.

*fixed

[Anonymous No.5494965]

>>5492658
>US

[Anonymous No.5495000]

>>5492658

>Name 3 good games for the Saturn
... gets proven wrong

>Name 5 good games for the Saturn
... gets proven wrong


>Name 5 good games for the Saturn, that aint in mame
... gets proven wrong

>Name 5 good games for the Saturn, that aint in mame, and that were released in american language
... gets proven wrong

>Name 10 good games for the Saturn, that aint in mame, and are in american language
... gets proven wrong

Pro Tip: try 20 next time retard.

[Anonymous No.5495387]

>>5492775
More systems yes, but N64 sold more software.

[Anonymous No.5495402]

>>5493676
>bringing exclusivity autism to retro consoles
Just about fucking everything except for Nintendo games had a PC port back in the day.

[Anonymous No.5495413]

>>5491647
>Arguably the only time the get-there-first approach didn't end in disaster was with the Genesis

The X360 turned the Xbox brand from a curiosity to one of the biggest contenders on the market, even though they lost billions in the QC red ring issues, that were caused by launching the unit early so they can beat the Playstation 3.

[Anonymous No.5495416]

>>5494242
>Not to mention Panzer Dragoon's PC port isn't all that playable these days unless you have a Windows 95 machine laying around. NiGHTS has it's fair share of porting issues too.

Nights and Panzer Dragoon have PS2 ports.
Panzer Dragoon is playable on every Xbox due to being included on Orta, which is backwards compatible (and plays in 4k on the xbone, so you can actually see shit instead of it being a pixelated mess).

[Anonymous No.5495454]

>>5495413
Being the first 5th gen console to release also worked well for the Saturn in Japan. In fact, one can even say that one of the problems with the Saturn's US release was that it did not launch soon enough, and so didn't have a lot of time to gain ground before the Playstation launched.

[Anonymous No.5496301]

>>5495454
The only reason the Saturn launch worked out in Japan was Virtua Fighter. They sold a million units in three months. But according to Hideki Sato, it backfired on SEGA greatly, because no one bought any of their other games beyond Virtua Fighter, so they weren't making any money.

[Anonymous No.5496594]

>>5496301
Having to sell their games was indeed a problem for Sega, at least early in the Saturn's life. Sony, on the other hand, didn't care, they were more than happy to just collect fees on third parties.

[Anonymous No.5496598]

>>5496301
>The only reason the Saturn launch worked out in Japan was Virtua Fighter.
More nonsense on /vr/

[Anonymous No.5496604]

>>5496598
He's right, it was their highest selling game and Virtua Fighter was the hottest new thing around the arcades.

[Anonymous No.5496609]

MUH ARCADE GAMES

[Anonymous No.5496613]

>>5495402
Consoles have always been worthless scams.

[Anonymous No.5496614]

>>5496613
Where the fuck did this come from?

[Anonymous No.5496621]

>>5496614
You should have been doing most of your gaming on PC, at least since the 386. The library was so much better.

[Anonymous No.5496902]

>>5495416

The PS2 port of Nights has similar control issues. And Panzer Dragoon on PS2 and Xbox is based on the PC port which has it's own share of issues.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GQTv4jdUdo

[Anonymous No.5496927]

>>5496598
>More nonsense on /vr/

Virtua Fighter was more popular in Japan than Street Fighter or Dragon Ball back when the Saturn launched. And VF2 was the highest selling Saturn game.