/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.5487147]

How is this game so soulful?

[Anonymous No.5487151]

It had to live up to Mario RPG while also filling in a massive void of RPGs on the N64, so they put a lot of effort into it.

[Anonymous No.5487158]

Best partner and best chapter right here

[Anonymous No.5487163]

>>5487147
>soulful
Cute, now try describing that without your npc buzzword. Use your brain sweety. Might be hard but you can do it!

[Anonymous No.5487269]

>>5487163
your false disaffection really annoyed me

[Anonymous No.5487275]

>>5487147
Because you were 10 when you played it.

[Anonymous No.5487320]

>>5487269
So you can't describe soul. Convenient deflection though. I'm glad you can comment on something shame it can't be what I asked.

[Anonymous No.5487336]

>>5487320
Not him, but I mean "soul" in this case typically means that you notice a lot of care and dedication was put into the work, as well as love. It doesn't feel like a generic product made simply to sell units. The developers wanted people to feel like it's an special game.

[Anonymous No.5487489]

>>5487336
based
>>5487163
cringe

[Anonymous No.5487524]

I think it's the fact it's more "innocent" than the sequel and it feels so much like a normal mario game, with mario characters in a mario world that it fits perfectly. Bowser remains the bad guy and there's no OC shit around, it's really... faithful to itself? Sort of?

TTYD is pretty good, but I feel they break the fourth wall too much, add elements outside of the classic mario world and the overall tone (which I know in part it's due to the localization) differs from the original.

[Anonymous No.5487532]

>>5487320
If you don't understand soul, you don't have one.

[Anonymous No.5487541]

>>5487163

every word of this is a creepy buzzword

[Anonymous No.5487567]

>>5487524
TTYD is still pretty damn good. I have a lot of fond memories of that game, even though that cunt final boss destroyed me.

[Anonymous No.5487591]

>>5487524
I consider the first two games on par with each other but the first is definitely more like a Mario game. I still consider it the most ‘definitive’ game in the Mario series when it comes to tone, setting, world building, characterization, etc. Basically every aspect besides gameplay (which is fun, but not like other Marios at all).

Pretty much the only game that feels like it has a fully realized mushroom kingdom.

[Anonymous No.5487594]

>>5487163
Obsessed.

Retro is SOUL so you may as well get used to it zoomer.

[Anonymous No.5487725]

>>5487147
I think this game is much better than the sequel. TTYD has garbage level design and PM64 has a much better OST.

[Anonymous No.5487739]

>>5487147
Yamauchi essentially siphoned his lifeforce into the Nintendo games to enchant them with mystical qualities, hence why he looked like a lifeless corpse most of his life.
Iwata same thing, after all he died very young and suddenly.

[Anonymous No.5487742]

>>5487739
>Iwata same thing
>wii
>soulful

[Anonymous No.5487748]

>>5487742
>it's casual and easy to pick up and play so it defies my hardcore gaemr sensibilities and is thus "soulless"

[Anonymous No.5487754]

>>5487748
post soulful wii games then
I dare you

[Anonymous No.5487760]

I really wish Paper Mario had TTYD's battle system improvements.
Replays of PM easily get much more boring due to the fact that badges are so much more limited and not as ridiculous. Plus partners aren't mechanically as fleshed out.
Other than that it's great. I really appreciate how much effort Intelligent Systems went into the art styles and drawing references from all the recent major Mario games like World, Yoshi's Island and 64.

[Anonymous No.5487765]

>>5487158
you better check yourself before you wreck yourself

[Anonymous No.5487769]

>>5487567
>he didnt danger mario in ttyd
bruh

[Anonymous No.5487779]

>>5487163
>npc buzzword
>npc
>buzzword
how ironic because npc is also a shitty buzzword

[Anonymous No.5487781]

>>5487320
Bro that's exactly what you did to the OP tho. Rather than contribute to the discussion he is attempting to get going you decided to criticize his choice of words. Good job Jimbo. Can you say "projecting hard" buddy boy?

[Anonymous No.5487807]

>>5487591
Interesting.. I have to agree. Intelligent Systems seems to have given us a more elaborate Mushroom Kingdom than Nintendo has, and yet it rings true with the heart of main series in terms of tone and world-building without any deviation really. They appropriated the Yoshi's Island universe into the Mushroom Kingdom pretty well. The Star Spirits feel right at home in the Mushroom World, and humanizing the goombas, koopa troopas, bob-ombs and other foes traditionally belonging to Bowser's army was done tastefully with great charm and humor. The toads have their own milieu, tending to be painfully naive, which is funny in a dark way.

[Anonymous No.5488710]

>>5487725
Yeah, all the other games in the series feel in general underdeveloped.

[Anonymous No.5489439]

>>5487163
>bzzzz what do you mean by soul? Me don't understand bzzzz
t. Soulless NPC

[Anonymous No.5489447]

>>5487748
Wii was a shovelware console

[Anonymous No.5489454]

>>5489447
>plays everything from 1975-early to late-2000s except Saturn, PS2, and the stupid Jaguar.
>shovelware
Good bait.

[Anonymous No.5489503]

>>5487760
>drawing references from all the recent major Mario games like World, Yoshi's Island and 64.
This is definitely one of the coolest aspects of the games I think. I love how Mario himself is based on the small Mario sprite from Super Mario World.

[Anonymous No.5489508]

>>5487725
>TTYD has garbage level design
Exaggerated but you're right, it's worse.
>PM64 has a much better OST
Absolutely wrong, get the fuck out of here.

[Anonymous No.5489726]

>>5489503
I always thought he looked more like Mario 3 Mario, but he’s kind of a fusion of both.

[Anonymous No.5489835]

>>5489454
so does my computer
the Wii library is 99% shovelware

[Anonymous No.5490283]

>>5487158
I'll agree with you on the partner.

[Anonymous No.5490669]

>>5487147
is paper mario the comfiest game ever?

[Anonymous No.5490673]

>>5489447
You're acting like shovelware can't have soul.

[Anonymous No.5490685]

>>5487163
BASED

[Anonymous No.5490752]

>>5489508
TTYD is good, has some nice tracks here and there but PM64 is better melody wise and has more memorable boss themes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPsXN9hJJis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwoC6vcIDXs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vma4xhHskRk

[Anonymous No.5490767]

>>5487147
I feel like all the PM have soul but the tone can be the thing that makes or break it.

PM is like a good storybook. It does what it wants to do, and it does it well. Also it was the first so it set the bar. Has some of the best music.

TTYD tried to be similar, but also a little scarier, like a child’s horror book, a little scary but never truly terrifying. Improves on the gameplay considerably but ends up feeling underwhelming. Gets a bit fourth wall-y but not obnoxious. Has pretty good music.

SPM is like a story aimed at early teens, tries to be hip. Sometimes works, sometimes doesn’t and gets a bit too close to the fourth wall. The actual plot is quite interesting though. Gameplay is pretty awful by PM standards, but a decent platformer if too easy. Music is good but not quite as great as the previous.

SS tries to go back to being a story but ends up too childish. Becomes too simple. Tries to streamline gameplay and can be fun but also very tedious. Some of the best music in the series though.

Haven’t played CS but I hear it’s like TTYD to PM, an incremental improvement but still not as charming at the classic

[Anonymous No.5491507]

>>5490767
Ttyd reminds me more of an action oriented saturday morning cartoon kind of thing. Like the original TMNT or something.

Or maybe more like an early discworld novel, in the sense of being a fantasy-comedy with a healthy dash of ‘epic adventure’.

I honestly wonder how much of an influence it had on modern cartoons. I always got the feeling adventure time writers were kinda influenced by it. Before AT went to shit I mean.

I’ll say this, I think TTYD’s writing is gonna be under heavier scrutiny by people who play it today. Meta jokes and ‘action comedies’ and self parody and all that seem way more common than they used to. Maybe it’s just cause I was young but in 2004 all of that felt so fresh and new, I can’t think of much around that time that was also doing that sort of stuff. It was much more unique and novel back then, and felt much more clever as a result. Today a lot of people seem sick of those ideas cause they’re much more exposed to them.

I will say that I liked how TTYD pushed its E rating. Felt like one of those sequels aimed for the original audience, adapted to how they’ve grown up a bit since the first.

SPM is like some tween’s embarrassing fanfic phase, but with a few quality jokes thrown in.

[Anonymous No.5491586]

any mods?
is Star Rod finished yet?

for anyone that doesn't know, its a hack tool for Paper Mario 64

[Anonymous No.5491591]

>>5487754
Red Steel

[Anonymous No.5491726]

>>5491586
Dunno how star rod editor is going, but I had a fucking fantastic time with the Pro Mode hack like a year ago. Totally brought back the ‘magic feeling’ of a first time playthrough where you actually need to try.

I’ve never done a 10hp run of the original game. There’s no busted danger mario builds like in ttyd as far as I know, so maybe that would be a challenging way to replay the original. Anyone tried that? How’d it go?

Badges and FP can be pretty strong so I’m just wondering how challenging this sort of build would actually be.

[Anonymous No.5491974]

>>5490767
>SPM
> The actual plot is quite interesting though.
It's the most generic anime shit there is

[Anonymous No.5491985]

>>5491974
>anime
Jesus Christ dude if anything it’s Romeo and Juliet, they just add world destruction and tweest jester for ending. But it does the characters well.

Definitely more interesting than collect the 7 things and stop Bowser, collect the 7 and stop an ancient evil, collect the 5 things and stop Bowser mute edition, and (I’m assuming) collect the 5 things and stop Bowser who is possessed by an ancient evil edition.

[Anonymous No.5492000]

>>5491985
>Definitely more interesting than collect the 7 things and stop Bowser
Not that PM ever had a particularly interesting plot (although the writing and characters were interesting), but SPM is both a generic plot and uninteresting characters and writing.

[Anonymous No.5492014]

>>5487524
Maybe you know this already, but in regards of breaking the fourth wall, Super Paper Mario beats them all.
The whole chapter 3 feels like a self insert from your average /v/tard

[Anonymous No.5492104]

>>5490767
>spm
>decent platformer
Where's the momentum?

[Anonymous No.5492285]

>>5492104
Gone with the run button