who is this thing made for? please explain why i shouldn't just get a pi

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Anonymous Sat Mar 30 08:16:19 2019 No.5470724 [Reply] [Original]

who is this thing made for? please explain why i shouldn't just get a pi

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 08:17:02 2019 No.5470725 >>5470724 You should actually get a real Super Nintendo.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 08:17:30 2019 No.5470727 >>5470724 I think someone should just explain to you why you should just use your PC instead.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 08:19:29 2019 No.5470730 >>5470727 portability brah

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 08:29:14 2019 No.5470746 >>5470724 People who don't want to emulate because emulation is imperfect.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 08:31:20 2019 No.5470748 >>5470746 FPGA is just a circuit-conversion of emulation programming. Unless it's a 1:1 clone it's emulation regardless of format.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 08:54:57 2019 No.5470783 >>5470724 Emulation on computers are gay but pi is faggyier.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 08:55:57 2019 No.5470785 >>5470725 this /thread

Anonymous Sat Mar 30 09:06:44 2019 No.5470795

>>5470724
Pi is ugly and you need to spend hours setting it up.
Also where you would get the roms to play on the PI?
Illegally.

If you are poor/pirate scum, then sure, emulate yourself to death.
If however you own snes cartridges, then this is a good way to play them on your new and big television.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 09:15:00 2019 No.5470806 >>5470748 >FPGA is just a circuit-conversion of emulation programming. No it's not. And no I'm not rewarding your misinformation by informing you of the reality. Kill yourself.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 09:16:33 2019 No.5470808 >>5470748 >FPGA is just a circuit-conversion of emulation programming. No it's not. No non-scam FPGA console is made that way.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 09:20:30 2019 No.5470815 >>5470795 >the mental gymnastics. Dude, it's OK to be a collector fag. You don't have to justify it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 09:35:24 2019 No.5470824 >>5470724 You can't play your original SNES carts on a pi on a modern TV. You can with a Super NT.

Anonymous Sat Mar 30 10:10:07 2019 No.5470885

>>5470795
>Also where you would get the roms to play on the PI?
>Illegally.
Pirating games is only bad because it allows you to receive games without compensating the creators. Guess what? The creators don't get compensated when you buy games secondhand, either, so the two are functionally equivalent in that way. Buying a game from ebay and downloading a rom from a romsite are no different from each other, because neither one compensates the creator. Any perceived moral/ethical difference is a delusion.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 10:14:22 2019 No.5470901 >>5470724 The important parts were made by Kevtris. It was made for the undeserving and ungrateful. Kevtris is a god amongst men.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 10:24:00 2019 No.5470919 >>5470724 I just got a Pi and while I'm really happy with it for being able to get 240p via composite and run a ton of emulators on it, if you're looking for total accuracy I wouldn't recommend it

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 10:38:28 2019 No.5470942 >>5470725 >>5470785 t. reseller

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 11:41:59 2019 No.5471046 >>5470885 Last time I checked, buying used is not illegal. Providing copyrighted material for free on the internet, is.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 12:41:41 2019 No.5471152 >>5470795 >then this is a good way to play them on your new and big television. Dude, just get an upscaler. At least you can use it with more than one console.

Anonymous Sat Mar 30 12:52:22 2019 No.5471173

>>5471046
But are things wrong because they're illegal or are they illegal because they're wrong? There is no functional difference between piracy and buying used, especially when buying new is not an option in the first place. The reason piracy is illegal is that it denies the original creators money, but so does buying used. There's no real ethical difference, only that one is technically legal and the other is technically illegal, but since when should law dictate morality?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 12:57:05 2019 No.5471175 >>5470724 Redditors and posers

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 12:57:15 2019 No.5471176 >>5471173 Illegal use and free.

Anonymous Sat Mar 30 13:08:35 2019 No.5471203

>>5471176
>Illegal use
Again, what does that have to do with the ethics of the situation? There are plenty of unjust, unethical, and immoral laws in the world. If you judge the ethics of an action by whether it's legal you're thinking completely backward.

>free
So? If someone gives me a used cartridge for free is it somehow ethically worse than if I pay them money for it? Again, something being free is only bad if it's denying the creators money they would otherwise receive. If the only choices are piracy or buying used then the creator gets no money either way, so how is piracy being free a valuable distinction in terms of how it ethically compares to buying used games? It's $0 to the developer and publisher either way.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 13:10:00 2019 No.5471205 >>5471203 Ethics and morals are relative. Only the law matters.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 13:14:28 2019 No.5471217 >>5470724 It's for people who already have a collection of games and want to play on their modern TV and don't want to go through all the mods and upscaler shit. Plus it's cheaper. I have 250 snes games myself so I'll be buying one.

Anonymous Sat Mar 30 13:25:17 2019 No.5471240

>>5471203
>trying to justify being a lowlife neet worthless thief

Doesn't matter how you want to spin it poorfag. You think Nintendo doesn't want to make money from their old games? You think they don't deserve it? Or the old developers don't either? Let me simplify it for you and the other simpletons who don't comprehend simple things. If YOU and everyone else who downloaded illegally cared enough to go through all that just to play some old games then you should have paid for it. Just like everyone that isn't a worthless sack of shit on society. Most of you are doing it on mommies wifi in her basement though so it doesn't matter what worthless neets think who couldn't buy the game anyways.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 13:30:52 2019 No.5471248 >>5470724 the best snes you can have

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 13:42:45 2019 No.5471269 >>5470724 Not you. You shouldn't get a pi. If you tell your mom you won' need to play games on her phone all the time if she gets you a pi she'll get one for you.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 13:46:49 2019 No.5471272 >>5471046 Okay, but downloading it isn't illegal.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 13:59:21 2019 No.5471284 >>5471272 Only if you delete it within 24 hours. Make sure you do that, ok?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 14:08:20 2019 No.5471298 >>5471240 lmao how hard did your daddy hit you as a kid to install all this "work ethic" in you? your corporate handlers must be so proud! kill yourself wagecuck

Anonymous Sat Mar 30 14:08:29 2019 No.5471301

>>5471205
>Ethics and morals are relative. Only the law matters.
Ethics and morals can be objective if the framework of context can be agreed upon. If piracy is wrong because it denies money to the creators, then buying a used game is no different. If there is no way to buy something new and compensate the creators in the first place, then neither piracy nor buying used games should be seen as wrong because there are no viable alternatives for the more moral option.

>>5471240
>You think Nintendo doesn't want to make money from their old games? You think they don't deserve it? Or the old developers don't either?
Please point me to where I can buy a copy of, say, Terranigma brand new or digitally such that the creators or even the rightsholders are compensated.
Your entire argument can be applied to purchasing used games just the same: If you buy a copy of Kirby's Adventure from ebay instead of paying for Nintendo Switch Online or buying it on the 3DS eShop then you're just as guilty of denying Nintendo money as I am for playing a rom of Kirby's Adventure I downloaded from a romsite. You see, ebay, Gamestop, and other secondhand stores are not official channels of purchase, either, they just happen to be legal for arbitrary reasons unrelated to the compensation of the rightsholders or creators.
If the publishers had their way, the secondhand game market would be just as illegal as piracy; they view the purchase of used games as a lost sale just like they do for piracy, and their history over the years of trying to find ways to discourage people from buying games used shows as proof of that.
Used games being legal and roms being illegal is a technicality that has nothing to do with the actual ethical value of either act.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 14:17:55 2019 No.5471327 >>5470748 >FPGA is just a circuit-conversion of emulation programming. That's not it. It's attempting to replicate the original chipset down to the circuit level.

Anonymous Sat Mar 30 14:19:43 2019 No.5471328

>>5471240
>You think Nintendo doesn't want to make money from their old games?

The problem with that line of reasoning is present day Nintendo has nothing to do with the Nintendo of 30 years ago; likely nobody who worked on SMB3 is still there and therefore they won't receive any money if you re-buy it.

So nothing is harmed because the original creators of the game aren't being compensated even if you do buy it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 14:22:38 2019 No.5471332 Yea, you could just use computer for emulation. This is kinda product for people who actually own games, and want to play it with flatscreen televisions hassle free.

Anonymous Sat Mar 30 14:28:05 2019 No.5471338

>>5471301
>Moral objectivity happens if we agree
And you thought that would happen on 4chan because?
>>5470724
People who want to act like SNES hasn't been emulated before
If you're gonna buy this then just buy a retron, same shit but at least it plays multiple systems. What's this thing run? Anything over 20$ is a waste of your fuckin money and you may as well buy a real SNES.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 14:29:37 2019 No.5471341 >>5471332 >This is kinda product for people who actually own games, and want to play it with flatscreen televisions hassle free. ???

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 14:33:07 2019 No.5471347 >>5471341 He mean using HDMI. While you can connect a SNES to an HDTV via composite, it's pretty eh and newer TVs don't have S-video anymore which is the best output you can get out of a SNES unless you live in France and have SCART.

Anonymous Sat Mar 30 14:36:18 2019 No.5471351

>>5471341
As in, own physical cartridges. Whether just having some stuff in a box left over from their childhood or someone who has a "collection". Of course theres SD2SNES, but honestly dropping like 200 bucks on Analogue Super NT + another 200 bucks on flashcart isn't something most people would do if they just want to play some super nintendo. Of course, it's digital output only, although they're supposed to be working on DAC for their FPGA consoles.

>>5471347
SCART is used in Europe in general, and thankfully you can also mod CRT televisions to accept RGB signal.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 14:37:00 2019 No.5471353 File: 314 KB, 1000x563, E6F24EDB-62FA-4FD3-A7BA-815C6D117036.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5471328 One is. But he’s not greedy. He rides his bike to work and makes a normal wage for his position.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 14:37:18 2019 No.5471354 I'm kind of disappointed I didn't ever get an S-video cable for my SNES when I still had a CRT that had an S-video input.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 14:38:47 2019 No.5471356 >>5471328 Nintendo as a whole is really stuck in the past though and have a 90s business model in 2020. They've never figured out the Internet and still believe in the outdated idea of cartoony mascot games.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 14:38:53 2019 No.5471357 >>5471284 hello time traveller

Anonymous Sat Mar 30 14:40:17 2019 No.5471358

>>5471328
I'm sorry, did Nintendo get bought and sold in the last 30 years? Are these games now public domain? That's neat man! I learn new stuff every day. I mean I have 30 year old stock and now you're telling me it's not mine and I don't deserve anything from it? Nintendo published them, they spent the money to get it out there taking plenty of gambles along the way. Its THEIR property you fucking moron, do you own a house? Of course not who am I kidding. You're a fucking simpleton who has no idea how this world works. Stay off mommies wifi.

Anonymous Sat Mar 30 14:43:20 2019 No.5471362

>>5471358
It's a good thing there's only one of you because multiple idiots of your caliber would qualify as a natural disaster.

Holy shit, I can't decide if you're whinier than a shitty ex or if you're more bitter than one of those disappointments from /pol/

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 14:45:12 2019 No.5471364 >>5471338 The processing chip alone is worth more than a retron. This is more compared to audiophile stuff. It is only for the snes enthusiast.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 14:47:51 2019 No.5471367 >>5471362 Hahahaha whatever helps you sleep better in mommies cockroach infested basement you fucking virgin neckbeard loser.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 14:50:23 2019 No.5471369 >>5471358 >I mean I have 30 year old stock and now you're telling me it's not mine and I don't deserve anything from it? If you were personally involved in creating it, then yes,

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 14:51:40 2019 No.5471372 File: 30 KB, 512x384, Squidward_Design_2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5471351 >and thankfully you can also mod CRT televisions to accept RGB signal. Or, you know, get a VGA monitor (cheaper than water) and a line doubler box.

Anonymous Sat Mar 30 14:52:48 2019 No.5471374

>>5471367
You need help, not 4chan dude
>>5471364
>audiophile stuff
I guess that's fair but you're telling me this ugly-ass thing is the creme de la creme?
It looks like a shitty Chinese knockoff that will start to smell like burning plastic if you run it for more than 45 minutes. That's my problem with these, can't ever tell what's just "China, back at it again with the get rich quick scheme."

Anonymous Sat Mar 30 14:56:13 2019 No.5471381

>>5471369
Nope. Just bought it. When you buy something it becomes your property. Same with when you pay the bills to have something developed. I keep forgetting it's spring break so it's all zoomers here now that are replying out of their asses to me. No point explaining any further.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 14:56:31 2019 No.5471382 >>5471364 Do you mean there is a retron model that's worth less? That retrons are just worthless? Or that you're a dumb kid parroting the FPGAs are expensive maymay?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 14:58:24 2019 No.5471386 >>5471374 Pretty sure it was designed in Washington and all the reviews say it feels extremely solid and well built. No one has one here that wants to chime in?

Anonymous Sat Mar 30 14:59:35 2019 No.5471389

>>5471382
I'm thinking retrons aren't as high quality but I assumed that naturally; a retron plays four types of carts.

I think these things get defended as sunk costs. It's like artists who tell you two shades of red are totally different when most science agrees humans can't actually tell the difference anyway.

If it's good it's good, but I struggle to believe anything calling itself "8bitdo" is anywhere near the point of its field; in fact at a guess I'd say the production cost on one of those is somewhere north of 30 and south of 50. But again I just see these and think they're shams to get money off nostalgia.

Anonymous Sat Mar 30 15:01:18 2019 No.5471392
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>>5470724
>who is this thing made for?
People who don't own a CRT but want to play SNES games as authentically as possible.
>please explain why i shouldn't just get a pi
The Super NT is very accurate to the original console. I would rather get pic related over either of them though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 15:01:24 2019 No.5471393 >>5471382 Retrons are worthless but go ahead and insult me and go figure it out on your own asshole.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 15:05:10 2019 No.5471397 >>5471381 >I have no idea what IP is or what IP laws are supposed to accomplish

Anonymous Sat Mar 30 15:48:06 2019 No.5471461

>>5471358
If you buy a game off ebay instead of directly from Nintendo you're taking just as much potential money away from them as someone who's emulating an illegally downloaded rom. Money from secondhand sales do not benefit the original creators or current rightsholders. From Nintendo's perspective there is ZERO fiscal difference between you buying a used copy of a game vs downloading a rom. If you're not paying them, they're not getting money, simple as that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 15:52:08 2019 No.5471465 >>5471381 You do not deserve to make money from selling goods secondhand. It's something you can do, but it's not something you're owed. Don't be such an entitled cunt.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 15:54:55 2019 No.5471472 >>5470724 If you know what a raspberry pi is and how to use one this product isn't for you. Not to mention these consoles and all those mini consoles are more visually appealing than emulator boxes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 15:56:16 2019 No.5471473 >>5471046 >not caring solely about supporting the creators >actually caring about the law

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 15:58:52 2019 No.5471480 ITT: insecure collectorfags willing to spend money on shitty products simply to justify the money they spent on plastic cartridges

Anonymous Sat Mar 30 16:00:59 2019 No.5471483

>>5471461
Naw. I'm paying for something that has already been paid for. You're stealing items that are under license and being sold digitally to other paying consumers. I'm not getting a new product. You're getting a new digital download for free and it isn't a second hand sale like some 1980 colt firearm that... once again... has already been PAID for. I bought a used good not some fancy convenient new age digital download. My god you guys are thick and will say whatever you want to justify being a common thief. Do what you want to do, I honestly don't give a shit but let's not try to call it anything else.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 16:07:10 2019 No.5471494 File: 173 KB, 316x330, 1307378629841.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5471483 >Terranigma >Secret of Evermore >fucking World of Illusion >EVER being sold digitally

Anonymous Sat Mar 30 16:16:41 2019 No.5471515

>>5471483
I genuinely have a hard time believing someone could be this dumb, it has to be some sort of windup.

Nothing you download makes you "a common thief". Maybe legally you committed copyright theft, but you are not a thief according to the common meaning of the word. Try calling someone a thief for downloading and see how fast it takes for your ass to get handed to you.

I swear highspeed internet is to blame for many of these turbo autists. If you didn't have the internet they would have to interact in real life and you wouldn't get this shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 16:19:29 2019 No.5471521 >>5471494 >uh oh better steal it. Fuck outta here Sanford. Just because something isn't released doesn't mean someone isn't holding rights. Guess I'm just too much of a realist, it's a non degenerate white trait thing. You wouldn't get it.

Anonymous Sat Mar 30 16:23:00 2019 No.5471524

>>5471483
You're the one doing the mental gymnastics here. Here's your argument, boiled down:

>Downloading a rom of Super Metroid is wrong because it fails to compensate Nintendo for the game they hold the rights to.
>You must purchase Super Metroid directly from Nintendo's digital services or else you're a thief.
>But buying a copy of Super Metroid secondhand from someone who will not pay royalties to Nintendo is totally fine and not the same at all!

Buying a used Super Metroid cart compensates Nintendo exactly as much as downloading a rom does. That is to say, ZERO. If you want to be the highest and mightiest of all corporate dicksucking moralfags, you must cease purchasing used games and begin buying them only from legitimate first party sources that directly compensate the copyright holder. Otherwise you're no better than the pirates, you're just stupid enough to pay for it.

Anonymous Sat Mar 30 16:24:36 2019 No.5471526

>>5471515
>armchair warrior cheetoboys are going to take on chad.

Calm down squanto. Before you rupture something. Be a thief all you want but don't deny it. It just makes you look more and more pathetic. You can't afford nice things... it happens, now get out there and fix it instead of whining about how you can't afford games and have to steal on a Chinese mahjong imageboard.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 16:27:45 2019 No.5471531 >>5471521 So the only option if a game is never released in modern formats is to never play them?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 16:35:23 2019 No.5471545 >>5471526 At this point I'm convinced you're a troll playing a character ironically. You got me going for a bit, I'll give you that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 16:56:33 2019 No.5471573 >>5471483 >I'm paying for something that has already been paid for. I'm glad you understand how stupid it is.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 16:58:13 2019 No.5471578 >>5471524 >You must purchase Super Metroid directly from Nintendo's digital services or else you're a thief But even if you do, the original programmers, graphics artists, etc probably are long gone so you aren't compensating them anyway.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 17:17:03 2019 No.5471618 >>5470724 >explain why i shouldn't just get a pi You shouldn't get either.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 18:10:42 2019 No.5471690 >>5470724 >asking /vr/ to defend emulation Where do you think we are?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 18:14:26 2019 No.5471694 >>5471690 It's Saturday and they're still on spring break. Better off leaving this board till Monday.

Anonymous Sat Mar 30 21:41:29 2019 No.5472051

>>5471389
8bitdo is the controller brand, the console in Analogue. Production costs must be well over $50. The "processing chip" (5CEBA4F23C8N) costs that much. Which is less than a Retron. It's also entirely possible that the production costs are unnecessarily high. People who cater to hipsters will often use very expensive prototyping services instead of cheaper more efficient manufacturing methods.

>>5471393
We both know it was option three, parrotlet.

Anonymous Sat Mar 30 21:49:36 2019 No.5472059

>>5472051
>well over 50$ production costs
Ouch. It looks like the kind of thing Grandma picks up for you on Christmas because 'It's the Video Game you like,' back in '02 when we were trying to have not-console console plug'n'plays. I'd expect to see it in that fucking clasped packaging you need a chainsaw to rip through, priced with a few extra stickers as it got priced, then marked down, then donated to the Salvation Army or something.

8bitdo, though. That's a yikes from me. Was that the best they had?
Did they not realize the Nintendo is 16 bit?
Are they just pseudogamers trying to cash in on hipsters?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 22:08:57 2019 No.5472089 >>5470748 Why state facts when you have none?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 22:26:59 2019 No.5472119 >>5470724 People who want to play their snes games on an hdtv. Are you pretending to be a retard by asking or what?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 22:36:10 2019 No.5472126 >>5470725 yeah, they're cheaper too.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 31 12:56:37 2019 No.5472965 >>5471356 >They've never figured out the Internet Ever heard of Nintendo Directs?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 31 15:26:59 2019 No.5473186 >>5470815 This nigga.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 31 15:34:23 2019 No.5473202 >>5470724 People who want to play on an hdmi tv and don’t want input lag. Why do you care? Not like you’ll buy it. Why so concerned with how other people play their games?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 31 15:35:33 2019 No.5473205 >>5473202 Input lag is only a problem with old/shitty HDTVs.

Anonymous Sun Mar 31 16:02:45 2019 No.5473252

>>5470724
normies mostly. pi's are certainly easy to use but never underestimate normies. the mini is something you can take out of a box, connect to your comp and have hacked with roms in 5 minutes. my friend wanted a pi after seeing mine and i steered him to the classic simply for the reason that i don't want to play tech support for pi issues when he inevitably messes something up. i'd do the same again, they're perfectly fine small devices.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 31 16:05:36 2019 No.5473261 >>5473252 That's not a SNES Classic Mini in OPs pic you tard.

>>	babbage's gramps Sun Mar 31 16:30:57 2019 No.5473290 >ctrl-f "cores" >zero results Any cores ever get released for this thing?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 31 16:32:22 2019 No.5473295 >>5473261 There's no such thing as an "SNES Classic Mini" at all. It's just called SNES Classic.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 31 16:42:06 2019 No.5473314 >>5470725 real snes + hookups <$60 cheap flashcart ~$100 crt <$20 maybe free super nt >$200 yeah you have a point

Anonymous Sun Mar 31 17:25:57 2019 No.5473402
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You want a super-accurate SNES or Genesis? You go to Analogue. This shit's super-enthusiast at its price range, but the configurable nature and firmware updates basically mean you can make it as "perfect" or "imperfect" as you want it to be, especially in regards to their Genesis recreation which is so accurate that only a single actual emulator, BlastEm, can do the same tricks that the Mega SG and original fully-functioning hardware can do. If games piracy is really the only way you actually play these games, then an Everdrive can cover all your bases as well, but then that's a lot of excess money burned just for a super recreation console and a means to play most games on it.

A Raspberry Pi 3 or a hacked NES/SNES Classic (or even a Playstation Classic, the modding scene is going nuts with trying to make it way better) can cover all the bases you need for a regular consumer in terms of product usage and playing these games in general, but that's emulation. And emulation can be finicky as hell, as there's plenty of limitations and issues among imperfections and other such things. Not even Nintendo's personal teams aced their SNES emulation on their own classic system, for example.

So it comes down to price and dedication to the medium. Cheap options mean more issues. The best option means needing physical carts or paying out the ass for a means to play almost any game on it.

Anonymous Sun Mar 31 19:30:39 2019 No.5473620

>>5471046
>illegal
I prefer to call my rom ownership as "Adverse possession". If it is no longer being supported by the creator, it is effectively abandoned. When they begin to make copies of games again for the systems I own new and with a warranty, I would delete my folders and buy from the maker.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 31 19:38:51 2019 No.5473635 >>5470730 Laptop then

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 31 19:56:25 2019 No.5473654 File: 22 KB, 500x223, SNESMiniConsole.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5473402 >Not even Nintendo's personal teams aced their SNES emulation on their own classic system, for example. You mean this thing?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 31 19:58:47 2019 No.5473659 >>5473654 The SNES Mini should be properly considered a hardware emulation of the SNES rather than a real SNES.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 31 20:42:09 2019 No.5473701 >>5473402 What if I'm the type of nigga who keeps it og?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 31 20:45:39 2019 No.5473705 >>5473205 >input lag denial is only a problem with young/shitty ADHDs

Anonymous Sun Mar 31 21:29:47 2019 No.5473767

>>5470724
there's a shitload of arguing over whether or not this is "emulation", but it's not important whether it is or isn't. the important thing is what you get out of it.

the FPGA console can give you greater accuracy by implementing the hardware spec directly instead of requiring a lot of instructions to be performed very quickly on a totally distant type of machine. in both cases you're not on the actual machine but one can be more efficient.

the best solution is still the one that's most convenient for you, but it's nice to be able to spend just twice the price of a SNES Classic and get something nearly perfectly accurate and compatible with original games and controllers.

Anonymous Sun Mar 31 21:32:21 2019 No.5473771

>>5473767
>the best solution is still the one that's most convenient for you, but it's nice to be able to spend just twice the price of a SNES Classic and get something nearly perfectly accurate and compatible with original games and controllers.
It's also very sad that a bunch of guys doing this as a hobby project could make a more accurate SNES recreation than Nintendo themselves.

Anonymous Sun Mar 31 23:34:16 2019 No.5473979

>>5473654
I meant the SNES Mini/Classic, yes. They use Canoe, their own in-house emulation, but it's not 1:1 for obvious reasons, and while the glitches with the games on the collection were very low, that's because the emulator was specifically configured and the games patched for it in mind. And even then shit like the "Touch Fuzzy, Get Dizzy" visual problems for Yoshi's Island still exist. Most SNES games are compatible with Canoe as far as fan hacking and documentation go, but there are quite a number that require patches or are flat-out incompatible. It IS more optimized than using the Hakchi Retroarch cores like Snes9X, though - even Final Fantasy VI causes slowdown in Snes9X on the SNES Classic, whereas Canoe runs it buttery smooth which is to be expected since its US equivalent was in the collection from the get-go.

Nintendo actually did a really decent job for these little emulation boxes, but they're not perfect and emulation will always be frowned upon by purists and enthusiasts, not to mention those who do hack these devices still complain that they're not "good enough" for everything under the sun.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 31 23:46:34 2019 No.5473993 Sound quality on snes nt was enough to convince me

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 1 06:30:16 2019 No.5474463 >>5473767 >there's a shitload of shitposting FYFYK

Anonymous Mon Apr 1 06:47:23 2019 No.5474491

I currently live in Japan and have a bunch of SNES games back home. I’ve been wanting to play Super Famicom games but don’t have room for a CRT, nor do I want to end up with a second console just for SuperFami games.
I’m strongly leaning towards getting a Super Nt. budget’s not a concern. Any reason not to?

Anonymous Mon Apr 1 06:54:44 2019 No.5474504

>>5473771
What do you mean "a hobby project"? They're making money aren't they? Show your source please but as they're making money this is not a hobby project.

The machine costs almost twice as much as a SNES classic and comes without any way to play games on it which would add to the cost (eg. buying a flashcart with it compatible with chips). Nintendo also put licenced games with the console which is also valuable. So yeah.... no, a bunch of amateurs didn't do better than Nintendo and nothing like that happened.

Anonymous Mon Apr 1 07:23:26 2019 No.5474530

>>5473979
>the SNES Mini/Classic
Those are two separate things. The SNES Mini was a system Nintendo released in the 90s which was a smaller version of the SNES (what the other anon posted) and it plays only cartridges. The SNES Classic is an SNES emulation box that Nintendo released more recently and it doesn't play cartridges.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 1 07:34:03 2019 No.5474540 >>5474491 Do what you want. But if money isn't a concern I'd suggest building a dedicated HTPC capable of emulating even Wii U up to 4K, and use that to play everything.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 1 07:49:14 2019 No.5474565 >>5471046 There's a difference between Legality and Ethicality/Morality. Gets?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 1 07:50:40 2019 No.5474568 >>5471205 The law is also relative. Relative to the country said action is occurring. Relative to the citizenship/nationality of the actors on either side of the equation. Etc.

Anonymous Mon Apr 1 07:50:41 2019 No.5474569
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Does anybody here own a retrode? You can stick it to your computer and use cartridges with it, as well as use the original Controllers.
Not saying it's great by any means, but nobody ever talks about these

Anonymous Mon Apr 1 08:04:18 2019 No.5474585

>>5474569
I have one. It works to let you dump roms and transfer saves to and from your PC. I've used it in the past to backup saves and edit them. I thought the controller ports would be cool to use real controllers on emulators but it turns out they have loads of lag. I haven't used it in ages.

Anonymous Mon Apr 1 08:11:59 2019 No.5474597

>>5474491
>>5474540
I would recommend a SuperNt. A dedicated HTPC gives you like 95% of the experience of a console for 4000% of the hassle. (Exact numbers determined by science.)
Getting retroarch + cores + a GUI + roms all configured is "easy" but it's time consuming. And after you're done, you're still not really getting a great experience. Ironing out all those tiny little details that emu-fans like to forget about just isn't worth it unless you've got more time than money.
When I was unemployed I emulated everything. I prided myself on getting it "100% accurate". Now that my free time is all but gone, I'd buy a soft modded-wii from someone ELSE rather than EVER wasting another minute with Dolphin. Or Higan, or PCSX2 or Yabuase...

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 1 10:08:51 2019 No.5474762 >>5474569 There's a reason people don't talk about it anymore. But it was a hot topic several summers ago.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 1 15:50:45 2019 No.5475398 >>5471358 Do you care about the effects of illegal immigration on the black community?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 1 15:51:59 2019 No.5475402 >>5471483 >I'm paying for something that has already been paid for The ultimate cuck move, nintendo doesn't get any money from your second hand purchase. How is it different from just downloading the ROMS

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 1 18:33:36 2019 No.5475756 >>5470808 >implying they're not all scams

Anonymous Mon Apr 1 22:41:01 2019 No.5476248

>>5470724
It's made for the autist with disposable income who wants to play an absolutely accurate SNES on a 4K TV, but doesn't want to go through the hassles of modding, upscalers, converters, models, and longevity issues. How practical it all is determined by whether or not the person in question already owns an upscaler, an SD2SNES, or has a sizable SNES library.

Anonymous Mon Apr 1 22:46:44 2019 No.5476259

As you probably know, Famicoms have been cloned for at least 30 years in East Asia. Up until about 1996 they made direct clones of the chipset, afterwards switching to NOACs which are more like an FPGA and everything is in a single chip.

The problem is Famiclones/NOACs have never been more than about 75-80% accurate recreations of the Famicom. They'll run most common games with the basic Nintendo mappers, but usually can't handle MMC5, third party mappers, or most other rare or oddball cartridge hardware. And even then, the sound and color palette is usually quite "off".

Back in the late 80s, they decapped the Famicom chipset to find how it worked, but some features weren't completely understood and so clone makers didn't bother to completely implement them. But then they didn't really care that much if you couldn't run LaGrange Point; being able to run SMB or Balloon Fight off a pirate multicart was considered good enough. And after all these years, NOACs are still produced based on those original, inaccurate decaps of the chipset from 30 years ago.

tl;dr Xiang the Famiclone maker is mostly in it to make a quick buck and it's not really a labor of love the way it is for guys like Kevtris where exact cycle accuracy/VRC6 whatever compatibility is sought.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 1 23:31:56 2019 No.5476365 >>5476248 >and longevity issues Just take good care of your retro hardware and it will probably outlive you. Not like cartridge-based consoles have any moving parts in them.

Anonymous Mon Apr 1 23:38:08 2019 No.5476379

>>5476365
That still won't prevent accidents/careless friends/relatives/power outages and spikes and many other things electronics don't like. Also if you buy a used console, you can't be sure how well it was or wasn't taken care of. Was your SNES stored for 20 years in a hot attic? What about a shed where mice nested in it?

In an _ideal_ climate controlled environment, a well-taken care of console may well outlast you, but in practice that can't always be the case.

Anonymous Mon Apr 1 23:41:10 2019 No.5476384

>>5474597
What are your settings on the super nt? I dont have a lot of experience on what snes are natively supposed to look like but i have an nt and play it all the time and have never messed with anything. I feel like better settings are out there but I'm afraid I'll go all autistic messing with them

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 1 23:52:59 2019 No.5476409 >>5475756 >paying money for a product that does what is intended is a scam

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 2 00:13:02 2019 No.5476432 >>5471046 I bet you never went above the posted speed limits. Not even by a mile.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 2 01:04:09 2019 No.5476504 >>5474530 See, I was confused because in some regions they call the Classic the Mini, I hadn't known there were literal "SNES Mini" revision models.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 2 01:15:05 2019 No.5476518 >>5470724 For people who can afford them ie: not you

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 2 01:34:38 2019 No.5476550 File: 74 KB, 750x745, 7UIj5kYOEMgZmqVk6pLK2pqUUK_Erke_SIPurt8X2ec.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5471046 Providing it, yeah, but downloading isn't. I'm just a poor innocent soul who didn't know any other alternative in the eyes of the law.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 2 02:12:22 2019 No.5476583 >>5476518 >For people who can afford them ie: not you It's $190. A real SNES cost $200 new and factoring in inflation since the early 90s it would be more like $500 now. tl;dr you're not even paying as much as the real thing cost

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 2 02:42:40 2019 No.5476634 >>5470725 Based and retropilled.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 2 02:44:03 2019 No.5476637 It's about the most viable and cost-effective way you can recreate a SNES with 2010s parts and technology. Even Nintendo themselves couldn't recreate the thing exactly as it was in 1991.

Anonymous Tue Apr 2 02:48:34 2019 No.5476645

>>5476637
I don't think they would even consider it. using an ARM board + in-house emulator is cheaper, works fine for the small library they bundle with it, and it's easy to include a pretty menu with save states and rewinding.

I want an Analogue NT Boy so fucking badly.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 2 02:55:29 2019 No.5476652 >>5476645 What would an Nt Boy even be like? Anyway I just ordered one. Now I’ve got a few weeks to find some OEM controllers before it gets here. It seems like the 8BitDo controllers get pretty mediocre reviews.

Anonymous Tue Apr 2 02:57:39 2019 No.5476657

>>5476645
>I don't think they would even consider it. using an ARM board + in-house emulator is cheaper, works fine for the small library they bundle with it
At that point you just get into NOAC territory where they go "Oh well it runs SMB and Metroid, good enough. Nobody will miss your favorite obscure Jaleco RPG that uses X weird hardware trick."

Anonymous Tue Apr 2 03:00:05 2019 No.5476661

>>5476652
>What would an Nt Boy even be like?
It would be more like playing Gameboy carts on a GBA and you'd have to equip it with a modern-style TFT LCD display, not the old-timey passive matrix display in the original, which are probably not even manufactured anymore.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 2 03:06:48 2019 No.5476669 >>5476661 Mate, the dot matrix screen was the best part of the gameboy. Why would you want a TFT LCD screen?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 2 03:08:42 2019 No.5476673 >>5476652 >>5476661 I admit the FPGA part wouldn't do much but to make me feel good, and I did imagine it having a sick ass screen even though it's impossible. I guess it's not a great idea.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 2 03:16:07 2019 No.5476681 >>5476669 Aftermarket LCD dot matrix screens for the Game Boy aren't produced so there's not much of a choice. I don't suppose it's impossible to make but it wouldn't be cheap or easy to produce models that are accurate to the original.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 2 03:22:43 2019 No.5476684 https://www.usmicroproducts.com/displays/custom-passive-lcd Passive matrix LCDs are still made, but probably not in the exact size the Gameboy used.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 2 03:36:46 2019 No.5476701 It was a custom unit anyway. Nintendo had the screens made to their particular specifications so you couldn't really buy an LCD with that exact 160x100 resolution off the shelf.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 2 03:39:04 2019 No.5476703 >>5476657 Well not quite because NOACs have tons of inaccuracies while Nintendo's emulator is perfect for the handful of games it's optimized for.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 2 03:45:43 2019 No.5476710 >>5476637 >Even Nintendo themselves couldn't recreate the thing exactly as it was in 1991. Actually even the SNES Jr was a hardware emulation of sorts and had a bunch of incompatibilities with the original SNES hardware.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 2 04:22:28 2019 No.5476736 >>5476710 >a bunch of incompatibilities By which you mean, 'fewer "incredibly minor visual errors" than you can count on one hand'.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 2 10:14:11 2019 No.5477089 >>5476736 I'm actually confused, I heard that the Super Nt has perfect emulation but then I see videos of it having tons of emulation glitches like shadows not rendering or clouds not being transparent. What's the truth?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 2 11:34:47 2019 No.5477217 >>5477089 The truth is that everything you read on the internet is a lie

Anonymous Tue Apr 2 12:55:34 2019 No.5477364

>>5476384
Not who you were replying to, but I like to keep it on 1080p with a 6x horizontal resolution and a 5x vertical (turn on advanced mode and adjust the height and width with the start button) with horizontal and vertical interpolation disabled in Scaler menu for perfectly sharp pixels and no scrolling artifacts. It does technically cut off a small bit of pixels on the top and bottom, but it’s usually so minor it can be ignored

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