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Post ps1 games.

>> No.5453445
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>>5453443

>> No.5453447

Does anybody have a gif of tifa's boobs going up after a battle is won

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>>5453443

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>>5453443
Crash prob looks the best.

>> No.5453465

>No pic at native resolution or at the very least an integer scale
Disgusting.

>> No.5453471

>>5453465
Post it then with ctr.

>> No.5453475
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I like 2D PS1 games.

>> No.5453506

>>5453465
integer scaling is for brainlets who don't know signal processing

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You fags have no taste.

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>>5453443

>> No.5453575

>>5453569
Robocop of the polygon dimension.

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>>5453475
Too bad there weren't more of them.

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Gunners Heaven

>> No.5453880

>>5453769
Brown: the game

>> No.5453906

what a beautiful system. what beautiful games.

>> No.5453915
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Why are PS visuals still so aesthetic while most N64 games look like crap by now?

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>> No.5453943

>>5453915
It's just in your head.

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>>5453943
Don't tell lies on the internet.

>> No.5453967

>>5453946
Do you even think before you type?

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>>5453915
Most PS1 games look like shit though.
N64 has better 3D, Saturn has better 2D.

>> No.5454005

>>5453915
More attention to detail, greater artistic ambition, less pressure to comply with a certain "look"...the list goes on.

>> No.5454017

>>5454005
For every great looking PS1 game there are 10 that looked like complete ass, even when they just came out.

>> No.5454025

>>5453443
I remember buying and playing this game before I even knew what dragon ball was

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>>5453443

>> No.5454028

>>5454026
That game needs to be sped up 2x

>> No.5454049

>>5453443
did anyone else name him "Crawd"? That's how the game says his engrish name.

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>>5454049
pic related...sorry

>> No.5454059

>>5453443
I broke around 5 controllers with that game.

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>>5453443
For me, it's getting lost in a pre-rendered world

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>>5453443

>> No.5454135

>>5453880
No, that honor belongs to Doom.

>> No.5454154

>>5454026
What fucking abortion of a game is this?

>> No.5454186

>>5454154
A Net Yaroze one.

It's still infinitely better than any you'll ever produce.

>> No.5454198

>>5454050
Thuuuunderboolt

>> No.5454204

>>5453946
What happened to you, Mario?

>> No.5454242

>>5454186
nah, ive made better.

>> No.5454265

>>5453569
ROBERT COP: THE GAME

>> No.5454308

>>5453915
Because 1080p emulator screenshots don't represent what it actually looks like.

>> No.5454342

>>5454026
The power of PlayStation's 2D

>> No.5454559

>>5454128
Does he want to eat thems

>> No.5454575

>>5453443
Is this Final Bout? I remember buying this out of a Wal-Mart bargain bin like 15+ years ago. ...it really deserved to be there, too.

>> No.5454586

>>5453459
man those castle levels were bad

>> No.5454594

>>5453459
the crash character and level designs are all still really unappealing to me. not comfy.

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>> No.5454940

>>5454575
It's a fucking 1996 game and the first ever experiment to bring Budoten style games into 3D. For its limited mechanics it's still a decent amount of fun and the music is prime Yamamoto/Kageyama.

>> No.5454975

>>5454940
it certainly gives a lot of pleasure

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>>5454050
Man I really miss the sprites of that era. Tales, Atelier etc.

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>> No.5455015

>>5454121
Well get a PSP, shitter.

>> No.5455017

>>5453518
What's this, Einhander?

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Legend of Dragoon

>> No.5455028

>>5454025
Is it still worth hundreds of dollars?

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>> No.5455098

>>5455047
Rage Racer was no 1999-2000 refined PS1 quality but it was such a fucking leap from RRR.

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>> No.5455118

>>5453445
>Those vertex clouds
Absolutely glorious.

>> No.5455141

>>5453915
better texture resolution without absurd amounts of filtering

>> No.5455142 [DELETED] 

>>5453915
higher texture resolution without absurd amounts of filtering

>> No.5455158

>>5455141
This.

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>>5455168

>> No.5455178

>>5455141
>better texture resolution
Not really if you look at the specs

>> No.5455184

>>5453915
N64 has anti aliasing and z buffering which is better. Less loading times.

PlayStation strength was the sound and CD format for space. They stored better body textures for the playstation Re2.

>> No.5455229

>>5454940
Yeah, well, that didn't stop it from sucking.

>> No.5455258

>>5454575
>>5455028
The original run was only something like 15k copies. There was a period of time where it was worth like $150... but then they re-released it (different cover art etc) so it's not worth much now.

>> No.5455278

>>5454000
>N64 has better 3D
From a technical standpoint only.

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>>5455278
In practice too.
In general, N64's strength was 3D, Saturn's was 2D, and PS1 was FMVs.

>> No.5455293

>>5455281
Ps1 is a meme system for fad based games . Love of for cutsences and me sound zoinks yay.

>> No.5455294

>>5455281
Hardly. Show me N64 games with art directions as tight as Vagrant Story, MediEvil, Spyro, Mega Man Legends, Tomba 2, Threads of Fate, etc.

>and PS1 was FMVs
FMVs were plentiful on the Saturn as well. Along with all those beautiful... arcade ports. Lol.

>> No.5455296

>>5455281
>PS1 was having better games than its competition
FTFY

>> No.5455301 [DELETED] 

>>5455294
>arcade ports
>a bad thing
In a time before MAME it was great to have a way to play arcade games at home without buying expensive, bulky cabs. Plus some of them had exclusive content not seen on the arcade.

But why am I even bothering responding to a jarpig that likes trash games like Vagrant Story or Megaman Legends.

>> No.5455305

>>5455301
>jarpig
Back to your tranny general, faggot.

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>>5455294
>Show me N64 games with art directions as tight as Vagrant Story, MediEvil, Spyro, Mega Man Legends, Tomba 2, Threads of Fate, etc.
Art direction? I always liked the art direction of the Goemon games a lot. Anyway we were talking about 3D capabilities.
To be honest, I think Vagrant Story's art direction to be kinda overrated. Yes they did some cool tricks with the textures, but it's all so brown... I dunno, maybe it's just me.
Megaman Legends 1 was on N64.
>>5455296
>FMVs were plentiful on the Saturn as well
Yeah but at worse quality, you needed an extra peripheral to get good FMVs on Saturn, PlayStation had a very good video codec.
>>5455296
Eh, 5th gen in general was a bit weak IMO. I find myself going back to N64 and Saturn more than PS nowadays, but I did play a lot back in the day.

>> No.5455315

>>5455306
>Anyway we were talking about 3D capabilities
This whole discussion started with an anon asking why PS1 games are more aesthetic. Stop shifting the topic to suit your argument.

>> No.5455320

>>5455315
Well, okay, I think "aesthetic" depends on the game, not the console.
Some PS games look good, but a lot of them suffer from incorrect perspective and shifting textures.

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>> No.5455368

>>5453506
Why does the user of a shitty scaling filter need to know signal processing?

>> No.5455372

>>5453935
Still one of the most beautiful games I've ever played.

>> No.5455373

>>5453935
What game is this?

>> No.5455375

>>5455373
Breath of Fire 4

>> No.5455396

>>5455337
Kuma is a cute

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>PS1 had bad 2-

>> No.5455439

>>5455436
D.
That port had to cut not only frames but entirely disable the tag-team mechanic.

>> No.5455446

>>5455436
Street fighter 2 collection had terrible loading times.

>> No.5455447

>>5455439
still looks amazing 60fps with great fx

>> No.5455460

>>5455320
And alot of N64 games suffer and are just asking to be put out of their misery. What's your point?

>> No.5455464

>>5455460
All n64 games are masterpieces.

>> No.5455465

>>5455464
This.
Now can anyone help me open my bottle of Onions?

>> No.5455589

>>5455460
Bah, you just seem like a thristy console warrior.
My point was that it greatly depends on the game/devs, not the system. But if we want to discuss system capabilities/features, again, PS only really excel at FMVs compared to Saturn and N64

>> No.5455604

>>5455465
I think that's sony bros.

>> No.5455606

>>5455178
No, many N64 games did often have lower resolution textures. The best games like Conker though had better texturing than anything on PS1.

>>5455294
Art directions is a bit of a subjective thing, but yeah I’ll agree that they were often better on PS1. But that’s purely a result of how N64 had very few Japanese developed titles.

The other thing is that because PS1 had so many games, it’s easier to go through the library and cherrypick the games which had good art direction.

>>5455460
Sure but the same could be said for many PS1. Look outside of the top games, and your typical game for the machine is a warpy pixelated low framerate mess, arguably much less appealing to look at and play than N64 jank.

>> No.5455619

>>5455464
I agree btw did anyone else enjoy watching their wife getting fucked

>> No.5455626

>>5455619
too subtle

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>>5454594
Crash 3 is very uncomfy to me, but the first one has god tier atmosphere and the second one isn't as moody but still feels good.

>> No.5455630

>>5455017
Yep.

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>> No.5455708

>>5454000
n64 had better 3d by virtue of an aa pass and non constantly moveing 3d, however n64 3d looked like fucking garbage and the games that looked good ran like shit,

lets take megaman legends as an example.
runs great on ps1, n64 it looks significantly better, but runs so fucking bad due to an aa pass

n64 at its best, was better then ps1 at its best, but general ps1 looked better then general n64 at least in my opinion, then you had more 3d games and rpgs going to ps1 so that only added to the good looking game library.

>> No.5455715

>>5455296
n64 had games that defined for generations how 3d is done right
ps1... not so much.

n64 had arguably several of the best games ever made, while ps1 had contenders for the top 20

>> No.5455718

>>5454308
but they do show what could have been, and there is a solid argument to be made ps1 had better aesthetic games.

>> No.5455727

>>5455184
z buffering yes, AA no, n64 has some cross platforms that just play like fucking garbage due to AA, I take jaggie but fast over smooth but slow any day.

>> No.5455770

>>5455708
>lets take megaman legends as an example.
That was a shitty port anon. Capcom nonchalantly shat it out like 3 years after the PS1 version.

>>5455727
N64 developers had the choice of turning AA off but pretty much none of them did. On the other hand, pretty much no developers had the choice of turning z-buffer off because the default provided microcode doesn’t work without it.

>> No.5455924 [DELETED] 

>>5455436
Why the fuck play the slower Playstation port with no character swapping, cut frames and bad loading times? What are you, Brazilian?

>> No.5455953
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Alien Resurrection looks fantastic.

>> No.5455984

>>5455619
>>5455465
You shouldn't try being funny, dude. It's sad.

>> No.5455986 [DELETED] 

>>5455281
Based, but Saturn was better than PSX at FMV too.

PSX's strength was hardware failure such as overheating and not reading the discs right which could only be fixed by setting the console upside-down.

>> No.5455998

>>5453445
Hunter has microcephaly.

>> No.5456003

>>5455281
Of you genuenly believe that, then I feel sorry for you.

PS1 has more games of individual genres than N64 or Saturn have games, period. More genres, more experimemtation and innovation happened in the PS1 library amd 9 out of 10 games that were either genre defining or generation definjng were either playstation exclusive, or were ported from it.

Is it arguably the worst hardware of the 3? Sure, in certain technical ways. But it was the middle ground between it's competition, and it attracted devs like honey attracts bears.

I would take a PS1 and 100 games over the same deal with either competitor, because I'd have more variety and more genuenly great games. And I don't think Saturn actually had 100 good games, to be frank...

>> No.5456042

>>5455984
seething nintencel lmao.

>> No.5456223

>>5456003
That's fine, to each their own. I don't find many PS worth going back in 2019, whereas there are still some games I keep going back on N64 and Saturn.
Not much though, 5th gen in general was kinda wack, but yeah.

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>>5456276
Beautiful game.

>> No.5456354

>>5454885
What game?

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>> No.5456392

Would it be possible to 100% accurately recreate those smooth PS1 CGI cutscene models with modern-day 3D software? Achieving the exact kind of look human models in Resident Evil and Silent Hill had?
https://youtu.be/-mNFSysXkvw?t=244

I don't know anything about 3D modelling, but I get the feeling that creating your own models and just lowering the amount of polygons wouldn't cut it, meaning you'd have to intentionally put a lot of effort into imitating old models, working with references and everything.
What I'm trying to get at though is that old CGI models from Capcom and Konami games for example all had that same kind of unique style to them, meaning it has to be a -> natural and automatic trait <- of the way or software people used to create models in back then, rather than manually working to achieve that effect.
Am I making sense to anyone?

So if that is true, then my thinking now is that with modern software, that natural trait has completely disappeared due to the advanced technology. Unless of course it is possible to obtain the exact same software people used to use back then?

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am i doing it right?

>> No.5456434

>>5456392
Those late-90s/early-2000s 3D can be achieved if you disable all of the new features such as ambient-occlusion, global-illumination, etc. Do not use any PBR materials.

Those models were done ages before digital 3D sculpting was even a thing. Learn Box model and exploit the subsurf modifier, do not touch any sculpting tool. I'm not sure about nip-specific stuff try looking at model rips from an early 2000's game.

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>> No.5456474

>>5456354
Hairy Pooter.
>>5456440
Very nice Cloud standing up for the disabled.

>> No.5456490

>>5455168
I wish there was a FUNi dub of this.

>> No.5456508
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Gon fighting.

>> No.5457442

>>5455708
>and the games that looked good ran like shit
I don't remember Conker running like shit.

>> No.5457469

>>5455770
you can call it a shitty port, I look at it and see AA enabled and have kind of a no shit that's why it runs so bad response.

>> No.5457474

>>5453915
The textures. When displayed on a high-fidelity screen, and especially when rendered at a high-fidelity resolution, the smeared-out, low-res textures of the N64 often don't look good. At their original resolutions, though, I really don't think the PS1's increased storage for textures makes as big of a difference.

>> No.5457489

>>5453915
Now move the camera around on that image and watch the textures wobble all over

>> No.5457503

>>5455667
Does this impact the CD laser at all?

>> No.5457803

>>5457469
It’s nothing to do with AA. The N64 version of Megaman Legends uses textures which are one quarter the size of the PS1 version’s textures.

>> No.5457948

>>5457803
textures have near 0 impact on frame rate, if the texture is loadable, it plays as good loaded as one that is smaller would play, so in my case of playability, n64 ruined the game due to aa, a process intensive effect, while ps1 played so much better because it lacked that bullshit.

>> No.5457975

>>5455667
This scene blew my fucking mind when I first saw it, I've never seen pre-rendered graphics used in such a way before. Goddamn Square...

>> No.5458145

>>5457948
>textures have near 0 impact on frame rate
Haha, holy shit. Textures have to be streamed into the GPU via the texture cache over the memory bus. A texture four times the size of a smaller one uses up four times more memory bandwidth.

>> No.5458290

>>5457948
95% of all /vr/ posters are technologically inept asshats

>> No.5458382

>>5457948
>textures have near 0 impact on frame rate, if the texture is loadable, it plays as good loaded as one that is smaller would play
never programmed anything in his life

>> No.5458395

>>5453880
It happened before every game was brown. That makes it an innovator.

>> No.5458401

>>5455258
I had one of the originals, my dad got it used for 400 bucks as a christmas gift. He stayed on ebay for three days to make sure he got it.

>> No.5458404

>>5456508
Just remember his special move was Gon with the wind.

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>>5455953
It's quite funny reading the reviews of the game now. The Dual Analog control scheme (which is now the de facto standard) was criticized over great length back then. Well you could also play it via mouse of course.

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The sadly final game by Human Entertainment, also was the best wrestling game not just on the system but of the whole era. From the graphics to the many many animation and the well-thought-out and complex gameplay (timing based just like Fire Pro Wrestling from the same devs). It also has the best roster with lots of true legend either as in-game characters or templates.

I also liked the spiritual successor King of Colosseum (which used the same game engine on PS2), which despite looking rather dated even when released (again it uses the PS1 engine and look and play very similar), IMO again was the best wrestling game of the next era after the PS1.

Too bad, despite Fire Pro Wrestling Word, the genre is dead now... killed by Yuke's and the shitty WWE games.

>> No.5458514

>>5458401
Haha, for real? That's crazy. I really didn't think it was worth the $15 after I played it.

>> No.5458726

>>5458465
Impressive

>> No.5458876

>>5458465
It's still a bit clunky, especially with how hard the game is. I recently got it and bought a PS mouse specifically for it.
It also has the option to play with only the original digital controller. Imagine that nightmare.

>> No.5458912

>>5455986
>saturn
>better FMV
that's just flat wrong, largely because the PS1 can decode video frames in hardware, so it's smoother and full-screen
there's an add on card for Saturn, but it's neither widely supported nor widespread

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>>5458912
saturn's sofdec > psx's mdec

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7qokG8UyxE

>> No.5459017

>>5458382
no, but I watch the impact, as long as you can load a texture, they have near 0 cost till you hit a point you need to keep swapping them in and out, until you hit that point, its more or less free 'make the game look better' settings.

>> No.5459118

>>5455170
Man, there are an awful lot of bizarre things going on in this pic.

>> No.5459132

>>5457442
>don't remember
It definitely had a lot of slowdown in certain places. Like that bossfight with the terminator/haystack dude. Every time he'd fire a rocket the game would drop to like 5 FPS.

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>>5457803

>> No.5459246

>>5459224
Yikes at ps1.

Preferred n64 dreamlike graphics.

>> No.5459335

>>5458486
How did Yuke kill it?

>>5459224
>>5459246
>not just going for the PC version

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>>5459335
>
Like every franchise dies. Endless repetition, annual releases with only minor changes, lazy programming with outdated tech and also added micro transactions or the madness with different roster for different preorders. And on top of that Yuke's didn't make any progress or even acknowledged what other devs did better.

But it's all too late now, there isn't any competition anymore. Only those damn Yuke's WWE games year after year, that I stopped buying altogether during the PS2 era. Yuke's did some fine games too but this was a long while ago. I especially think about Toukon Retsuden, which also was the base for the first Smackdown games (well there were some more stages to that mainly the intermediate game between Toukon and Smackdown - the budget games of Simple 1500 Series The Pro Wrestling, which already toned down the gameplay). But later they took out everything from Toukon Retsuden what made these games special. Smackdown just had beefed up graphics but "arcady" and hollow gameplay.

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>>5459335
>How did Yuke kill it?
Like every franchise dies. Endless repetition, annual releases with only minor changes, lazy programming with outdated tech and also added micro transactions or the madness with different rosters for different preorders. And on top of that Yuke's didn't make any progress or even acknowledged what other devs did better.

But it's all too late now, there isn't any competition anymore. Only those damn Yuke's WWE games year after year, that I stopped buying altogether during the PS2 era. Yuke's did some fine games too but this was a long time ago. I especially think about Toukon Retsuden, which also was the base for the first Smackdown games (well there were some more stages to that mainly an intermediate game between Toukon and Smackdown - the budget games of Simple 1500 Series The Pro Wrestling, which already toned down the gameplay considerably). But later they took out everything from Toukon Retsuden what made these games special. Smackdown just had beefed up graphics but "arcady" and hollow gameplay.

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>>5453475
agreed

>> No.5459905

>>5459376
The smackdown vs raw games were great though.

>> No.5460125

>>5458514
It wasn't, but that was the going price early 2000 years. I never asked for much so when I had shown interest earlier in the year he made it his mission.

>> No.5460127

>>5453459
The dude that created the color palette for crash was an asshole.
it's so saturated it becomes annoying in so short.

>> No.5460143

>>5454005
>>5453943
Yeah sure, those parkinson textures look hella modern while you play.
Ps1 3D was complete and I mean complete ass, all those pre-rendered shit and cheap fmv to make you believe that the hardware isn't weak as fuck, all those fake 3d games, those fighting games with no sense of context.

>>5456003
>Muh Genres! (A.k.a. I like faggy japanese rpg's with menu fights)
>Quantity over quality argument
>Innovation of what?.

The whole thread is about graphics buddy, and the ps1 isn't that good on that aspect.

>> No.5460146

>>5457948
Shut the fuck up snoy fag, you clearly know shit about nothing.

>> No.5460426

>>5455015
What the fuck are you talking about?

>> No.5460510

>retards defending the blur fest that were N64 graphics

Jesus Christ just admit it looks like shit.

>> No.5460669

>>5453507
wow that looks so cool

>> No.5460741

>>5460510
Not even blur.

>> No.5460846

>>5460146
a sad fact that more games play well on playstation then they do on N64, but I do love that buttery smooth single digit frame rate, such cinematic wonders.

>> No.5460890

>>5458486
Any tips on figuring out the timing for this game? As far as I can tell when playing against the CPU grapples are won at random. So it basically becomes a grappling contest. Also how do you reduce the stamina running out which renders your wrestler immobile?

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>> No.5461025

>>5458465
Holy shit that is some impressive lighting. Why don't games these days have anything like this? Everything just feels sterile.

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>>5457489
>Not using PGXP

>> No.5461227

>>5460890
The timing depends on the typ of grapple you were initiating. Rule of the thump: look for the animation when your wrestler slightly bends his knees to gain momentum, that's the right moment. But again the timing is lightly different with the various grapple types. Just like Fire Pro Wrestling the best method of learning the timing is by selecting Player vs. Player mode and practicing on a defenseless fighter. But I'm not sure if the game already had a tutorial mode.

Also (again just like in Fire Pro Wrestling) you have to breath now and then to avoid running out of stamina quickly. But I'm not sure, which button does this, since I haven't played the game for a while. There are a couple of Guides at GameFAQs
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/ps/575248-zen-nippon-pro-wrestling-ouja-no-kon/faqs

AFAIK in the later games using this engine (King of Colosseum) breathing was one of the shoulder buttons, probably L2 or R2.

>> No.5463264

>>5453443
Best thread, right here.

>> No.5463316

>>5459905
Nah not really. They were adequate at best, especially the PS2 games predating the time when they renamed the series to "Smackdown vs. Raw." were still playable. But the first game of the series with the name "SD vs RAW" was also the last game of that series that I played, because even back then I saw that those games went nowhere. And it got even worse since. The SD vs. RAW games are only good for a quick laugh to create some silly edits and punch each other in multiplayer mode. When SD vs. Raw game out I didn't even bother to unlock shit like I did before.

But you can't say that I didn't give Yuke's a chance. Some people suggested that "Day of Reckoning" and the two Wrestle Kingdom PS2 games that used the same engine as DoR, were better than their usual crap and I fell for it. Some even compared it's gameplay mechanics to Virtual Pro Wrestling/WWE No Mercy, which I call bullshit. Day of Reckoning 2 had loading times from hell and I didn't find the gameplay exiting at all. It felt more like a simple Beat'em'up to me. Wrestle Kingdom only improved slightly but the loading times were equally horrible and the edit mode was pure garbage. Wrestle Kingdom 2 has a kick ass roster with lots of true legends, but I didn't bother importing the game, since that DoR Engine and all it's games are just as lazy as Smackdown/SD vs.Raw/WWE 2Kxx. After all these years the WWE should fire Yuke's (or drop the license deal) for good and start completely new with a new dev team. Yuke's are done.

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>> No.5464192

>>5461020
>>5461024
Tenchu looks great but I get the impression that people either excuse or deliberately overlook the fact that the draw distance extends about ten feet in front of your face to allow for it.

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>>5464192
It wasn't a technical marvel, it's graphically mediocre, but the art direction is amazing.

>> No.5464382

>>5464192
First time seeing a game from then? They all had shitty draw distances.

>> No.5464454

>>5453569
>when you nut and she still succ

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>>5464454
Not all.

>> No.5464867

>>5464778
Meant for:
>>5464382

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