/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.5449191]

>God was a dream of good government

[Anonymous No.5449240]

Despite being known as the Fedora game, God does actually exist in the Xeno universe, it's known as wave existence or whatever.
https://xenosaga.fandom.com/wiki/Wave_Existence

[Anonymous No.5449285]

>>5449191
We want a God. We don't want Gods.
MAKE UP YOUR MIND, XENO.

[Anonymous No.5449303]

>>5449191

[Anonymous No.5449312]

>>5449240
But the wave existence says in the game he's not THE god, as in the creator, just a higher being.

[Anonymous No.5449315]

>>5449312
Is that admittance that there is something above him/her/it?

[Anonymous No.5449373]

>>5449312
He’s basically the entity Bender runs into in that episode of Futurama.

[Anonymous No.5449408]

>>5449285
Monotheism is the only way.

[Anonymous No.5449802]

>>5449373
It's funny cuz it really is.

[Anonymous No.5449917]

>>5449312
>>5449315
Yes. Same as in the real world. Various levels of gods on different scales that humans have trouble making sense of with our limited capacity.

[Anonymous No.5449956]

>>5449191
*tips in 64 colors*

[Anonymous No.5449994]

>>5449917
There are no gods in the real world...

[Anonymous No.5450010]

>>5449994
You're standing on one, but even she is only one level up from us in the great clockwork.

[Anonymous No.5450781]

>>5449191

[Anonymous No.5450837]

>>5449191
What a mess of a video game. It had such potential but that second half was a heartbreaker.

[Anonymous No.5450865]

>>5449191
There is a passage in Dostoyevsky's Karamazov that says that socialists are replacing God and paradise with the idea of a perfect government perfectly calculating what everyone needs. It's actually a legitimate trope/philosophical point

[Anonymous No.5450957]

>>5450865
So Xenogears is really about killing leftyfags?

[Anonymous No.5451086]

>>5450957
You're retarded

[Anonymous No.5451772]

There's no Squaresoft JRPG that doesn't deal without the supernatural.

[Anonymous No.5453278]

>>5451772
Define supernatural. Like.. ghosts n shit?

[Anonymous No.5453308]

>>5450865
Socialism and communism aren't any different from cults and religions, actually.

[Anonymous No.5453413]

>>5453308
Don't lump faith in with faggot leftism, son.

[Anonymous No.5453419]

>>5453413
He's right though. Man is a spiritual animal which typically must believe in something greater than himself, and if that greater power isn't a religion, than it will almost certainly be either government or a cause such as environmentalism.

[Anonymous No.5455230]

>>5453419
Environmentalism and religion should go hand in hand. Most people these days, even the religious conceive of God as a big dude in the sky watching and judging everything which is easy to see why they confuse it with government.

[Anonymous No.5455252]

>>5455230
Environmentalists care more about the ideology than the environment, their mainly tools funded by some corporation. Conversationalists who actually do things to protect the environment tend to be quite religious.

[Anonymous No.5455292]

>>5455252
>Environmentalists care more about the ideology than the environment

That's a tall claim.

[Anonymous No.5455307]

>>5455292
Fred was getting pranked & it psychologically made him want to prank other people

[Anonymous No.5455317]

>>5455307
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[Anonymous No.5455340]

>>5455292
If environmentalists wanted to save the environment they would be against government spending. Instead all environmental problems can be solved by people buying more things, making government bigger more expensive and oppressive.

T. California small business just got fined $20k for digging a 2x3 box out between my well and water tank.

[Anonymous No.5455915]

>>5455340
>If environmentalists wanted to save the environment they would be against government spending.

That's idiotic.

[Anonymous No.5455973]

>>5455915
Consider money. It is a measure of capital costs and profits.

What's more environmental, driving a shitbox geo metro around that gets 50 mpg, and was built 20 years ago and is still going strong? Or is it better to get $20k in government subsidies to buy a $60k tesla? That still is getting its juice from fossil fuels anyway because solar and wind are 0 or negative ROI. Your house's solar panels are only positive ROI because of another massive government subsidy.

All that money is spending here and now-which creates an artificial demand for resources and energy here and now that other wise would have been spread out over 30 years. 30 years technology would have been improving constantly through.

If the government never spend a gazillion dollars on the national freeway project, we wouldn't have such a car culture either. We would have walkable cities and towns still.

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More stupid environmental feel good religion: plastic drinking straws and free grocery bags are illegal. Plastic straws have been replaced with much more expensive paper straws. They require a lot of resources to reprocess bleach and sanitize paper. They are like 20x more expensive than plastic straws. It wasn't even California straws ending up in the ocean. This is having 0 effect on the cause the environmentalists wanted because all the fucking plastic rafts in the ocean come from China and Indonesia.

Plastic grocery bags are the same shit, cheap good product replaced with more expensive inferior product. except now I have nowhere to recycle thin plastic bags, including shipping materials, packaging and bags from non grocery retailers.

But they feel righteous because they did something short sighted and I'll conceived to fix the problems.

[Anonymous No.5456036]

>>5455973
So what's your solution to solving how much humans are decimating the natural world causing a mass extinction that rivals the the worst we know of in history? Because most individuals don't seem to give much of a fuck either claiming there is no problem or it's not their problem. Saying government regulation hasn't always mafe good choices is fair, but there has to be some kind of real regulation because things sure aren't getting better on their own.

[Anonymous No.5456228]

>>5455915
>>5456036
>cutting government spending is idiotic
>So what's your solution to solving how much humans are decimating the natural world

[Anonymous No.5456232]

>>5456228
So you have nothing actually useful to say? That's no surprise.

[Anonymous No.5456350]

>>5456036
Fair tariffs. Eg China should be charged for not protecting its environment. Since the 80s the us has crippled its economy and done its best to export all of its jobs and pollution to China, where they handle it worse than anything we would have done here.

Also
>mass extinction
Consider that matter is not created or destroyed in significant amounts. There is not more carbon on the planet now than during the carboniferous period. If some of that carbon is turned into co2, then conditions on the planet might be like it was then... which was not a venusian death trap. It was the most bio diverse and lush the planet has ever been.

Again idiotic religion: the only solution is to stop burning all fossil fuels, oh and nuclear isnt allowed either. Only wind and solar, which literally do not make any energy for 20 years they cost so damn much to produce. Also no one makes solar panels except China because its toxic semi conductor manufacturing. In China they just dump all the toxic shit into the yangtze river. (Pictured) But that's okay because it's not here.

What's A better solution? Nuclear. Manufacturing in 1st world countries.

Modifying the albedo of the earth with ocean based platforms that spray water into the air. This could be accomplished for millions of dollars within a few years. This is not the solution offered. No one talks about this perfectly obvious, easy to implement solution to increased solar atmospheric heating. Got a problem? Reflect it duh. The solution is to tax you heavily and exempt the worst offenders--make up a carbon based tax, wherein China and other countries have an infinite amount of money and if you do any manufacturing in your country, you need to pay China to absolve you of the sin of co2 production.

[Anonymous No.5456479]

>>5456350
>Fair tariffs. Eg China should be charged for not protecting its environment. Since the 80s the us has crippled its economy and done its best to export all of its jobs and pollution to China,

I agree with that, but how do you plan to impose sanctions on Chinese corporations without government influence? The problems we're seeing are already caused by corporations both eastern and western controlling what rules the government does implement so they can maximize their profits at the expense of everyone else.

[Anonymous No.5456573]

Does Deus Ex count as /vr/ territory if it was released in 2000?

[Anonymous No.5456581]

>>5456573
Yes because it's an unreal game and runs on a system made in 1999

[Anonymous No.5456584]

>>5456573
No.
>This board is for the discussion of classic, or "retro" games. Retro gaming means [...] computer games [...] launched in 1999 or earlier.

[Anonymous No.5456585]

>>5456581
The PS2 was released in 2000.
And the port was made in 2003.

[Anonymous No.5456615]

>>5449312
What the wave existence is is left nebulous on purpose but it's heavily implied it bears some mark of divinity by how it grants powers of perpetual reincarnation to Abel/Kim/Lacan/Fei and gives him "Eve" (Elly) emulating a biblical creation story.

[Anonymous No.5456659]

>>5456584
[...]
'On platforms'
>windows 98
Okay then.

[Anonymous No.5456712]

>>5456573
>>5456659
Correct. The same as Dreamcast, PS1 or even Genesis and SNES games, computer games as well follow the rules which have nothing to do with when the game was made or released, just what platform they run on. If it runs in Windows 9X, it's a "retro game" and up for discussion on this board.

[Anonymous No.5456761]

>>5456584
Nice editing there lol

[Anonymous No.5456979]

>>5456584
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[Anonymous No.5458449]

>>5456712
NOT. FUCKING. RETRO.

[Anonymous No.5458961]

>>5456615
The wave existence is like the universal creator god, while the others are more like the Annunaki.

[Anonymous No.5459041]

>>5458961
>Annunaki

>Without our help, death is all of which you're capable.

>Your kind feared the darkness, so we gave you light. You begged us for the Purge, and did it not come to pass? Now you spurn our counsel? You must learn your place!

[Anonymous No.5459179]

>>5453278
Yes, ghosts, demons, gods, and shit, especially if the story revolves them instead of those elements being incidental to the plot. Many RPGs in general have supernatural elements, but usually they are only minor elements, not the crux of the plot. Squaresfoft make gods (or high-ranking supernatural beings) important aspects in all of their games. Tactics came close to being a non-supernatural game but completely dropped the ball in the end.

[Anonymous No.5459554]

>>5451772
Is that a bad thing?

[Anonymous No.5459976]

>>5459554
Yes, it's a bad thing when they repeat basically the same story for all of their games.

>muh psychopathic gods destroying the world may may

[Anonymous No.5460371]

>>5459976
SaGa Frontier 2 doesn't do that.

[Anonymous No.5460396]

>>5459976
Final Fantasy Legend is the opposite kinda.