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5446579 No.5446579 [Reply] [Original]

Hey fellas, my in law's were just gonna throw this away and I recall seeing some people saying a working crt is valuable to retro vidya collectors. Is this worth selling and where should I sell it?

>> No.5446581

about three fiddy

>> No.5446593

>>5446579
That's the kind of CRT you leave out on the curb

>> No.5446601

>>5446593
Is this a legit response? I'm being serious, we're gonna toss it but I wanted to make sure it wasn't worth something to someone.

>> No.5446607

>>5446579
A middle of the road RCA is worthless to retro vidya collectors. Let your in laws throw it away in peace.

>> No.5446609

>>5446601
It ain't worth shit my dude
Now if you had a Sony Trinitron it would be a different story

>> No.5446610

>>5446607
Awesome, thanks for the quick response

>> No.5446627
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5446627

>>5446579
I'd say just give it away. The only ones worth paying for are PVMs and big ass trinis. I wouldn't toss, as recycling programs for CRTs are non-existent and would just be a waste. Try to donate it or maybe find a willing anon on >>>/vr/crt to take it up. You might even have some success on craigslists free section.

>> No.5446632

Sell it. Someone will buy it.

>>5446627
>>5446609
>>5446607
Ignore this scammer. He's trying to peddle his PVMemes on Ebay.

>> No.5446646

>>5446632
Honestly how much do you think somebody would pay for that CRT?

>> No.5446649

What inputs does it have? If it's RF-only, probably not worth it. I wouldn't accept anything without at least composite. The screen size is nice and big though.

>> No.5446656

>>5446627
>I wouldn't toss, as recycling programs for CRTs are non-existent
Then what the hell did they do with all the millions of CRTs discarded in the late 2000s-early 10s?

>> No.5446663

>>5446656
Into the landfills

>> No.5446664

>>5446656
They recycled them back when everyone got rid of them. Those recycle programs have stopped by now.

>> No.5446671

>>5446656
I think a lot of them ended up being repurposed for use in shabby hotels and sold in donation centers. After that stopped working they got shipped to the turd world.

>> No.5446673

>>5446601
>Is this a legit response?
Yes. That television is 100% worthless to anyone but someone in a pinch and looking for a basic CRT for gaming. If you are lucky, you can list it locally and someone will take it from you for free.

>> No.5446681

>>5446673
Lol fuck you

>> No.5446686

Unless the TV is a Sony Trinitron or PVMeme it's probably worth about $10 on a good day. You might be able to find someone to take it away if you put out a curb alert.

>> No.5446691

>>5446686
Oh or component or RGB inputs. If it has one of those that would also make it valuable. If it only has composite its worth fuck-all.

>> No.5446698

>>5446656
Just dump them. I'm not saying you can't throw them away, I'm saying that they don't go through the effort of recycling them.

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>>5446579
>RCA

>> No.5446708

>>5446691
>RGB inputs
He's probably not French.

>> No.5446714

>>5446698
>>5446686
>>5446691
Anon, I'm not paying $500 for the PVMs you're selling on Ebay.

>> No.5446718
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5446718

>>5446714
Whatever you say schizo. I just hate seeing perfectly fine CRTs being trashed when they could get a good home.

>> No.5446719

>>5446714
I think PVMs are dumb meme shit too but that doesn't change the fact that your CRT is pretty much worthless.
Maybe sit on it and it'll be worth something in 20 more years as functional CRTs become rarer

>> No.5446720

Sell it for like cigarette money and make the person pick it up. Autistics use PVMs because they think it makes the game better. Most people like to use modern TVs and emulation to play retro video games. Old crts like that are still alright if you wanna play light gun games for cheap.

>> No.5446721

>>5446646
I'd pay 50-70 at worst, not more than 30 at best because I know you don't care for it so I would just snatch it wherever you dumped it. Unless you're really shit out of luck on CRT in your area then I'd say $20 or $15 is a good hook.

>> No.5446725

>>5446721
>I'd pay 50-70 at worst
>for a beat up most likely RF only RCA
>calling everyone else scammers
okay, friend.

>> No.5446731

>>5446720
>Old crts like that are still alright if you wanna play light gun games for cheap.

They are super fucking alright no matter how you cut it. The general people (roughly 85%) played games on those very CRTs and nothing else, PVMs are not an "authenthic" experience, they're the premium product for muh "sharpness" (actually that's BVMs but whatever), multi-refresh support and RGB inputs in burgerland. Not to mention you won't find PVMs that are more than 21" in the fucking wild like you would consumer CRTs, and people like me like those big fellas.

>> No.5446735

>>5446725
>for a beat up most likely RF only RCA

I assume that's not the case, unless you're really that fucking cheap in the United Statistan.

>> No.5446737

>>5446681
>Lol fuck you
Be mad all you want. You wanted the facts, and it sucks that you are given them. That tv is basically a generic CRT. It has composite input, which is nearly worthless except for a few old as fuck computers. "Retro Gamers" are total snobs. If it doesn't have component (Red, green and blue RCA jack) or RGB video in, it is 100% fucking worthless. I am being serious with you. If you can get someone to take this from you for free, consider yourself lucky to not have to pay a disposal fee. I am one of the hyper-autists that hunt down local CRTs. People pay to get rid of sets that are that bad, and frankly if someone isn't giving me $30-40 to take it, I wouldn't even pick it up. It looks like a 20" RCA, and I doubt it even has composite (yellow plug) inputs.

Don't kill the messenger.

>> No.5446738

>>5446725
>>5446735
And by "worst" I meant "if I couldn't find anything else like it by just looking elsewhere". And that's only if I'm dire need of a new CRT (I'm not).

>> No.5446740

>>5446737
>That tv is basically a generic CRT. It has composite input, which is nearly worthless except for a few old as fuck computers. "Retro Gamers" are total snobs.
Oh it's one of these guys. Into the trash with you.

>> No.5446741

>>5446649
Rf and rca connector. All three: red white and yellow

>> No.5446743

>>5446737
Yes it does have composite

>> No.5446747

The RCA label was used by Thomson for their mid-range TV line. GE was the bottom-rung and Proscan was the flagship brand. It will probably have at least composite, maybe not S-video. Anything sold under the GE brand is likely to be RF-only.

>> No.5446751

>>5446740
>Into the trash with you.
If you want, I will take the TV with me, but it will cost you $40.

>>5446743
>Yes it does have composite
It really is worthless my friend. I hate that we had to break it to you. Put it outside near the street, and list it on craigslist for free. Know that whoever picks it up really needs a TV. At least you can feel like you helped someone who really needed it.

>> No.5446760

Then again, >>5446737 is kinda right in the sense that people will approach much faster if you're just giving it away and at least you'll save on them disposal fees. $10 or $20 should be the indicative price if you feel like testing someone's patience, but it's indeed more valuable to casual enthusiast, nostalgia seeker or people willing to replace their CRT/add a big one than the "retro gamers" you often see around here. Consider the fact people like those have separate audio equipment and don't actually use the CRT audio inputs.

>> No.5446781

Lemme give you an index of all major retro systems and the outputs they support. All consoles from the Master System onward generate RGB internally:

Pre-NES consoles: RF only (Colecovision generates RGB internally)
NES: Composite, RF
Master System: RF
Genesis: RF, composite
SNES: RF, composite, S-video, RGB*
5th gen consoles: RF/composite/S-video

*SNES is unique in that a stock machine outputs RGB through the video out and no mods are required

Computers:

Apple II: Composite
TRS-80 CoCo: RF, RGB (CoCo 3 only)
Atari 8-bits: RF, composite, S-video
VIC-20: Composite
C64: RF, composite, S-video
TI-99/4A: RF, composite
Sinclair machines: RF
Amstrad CPC: Composite (B&W only), RGB
Amiga: Composite (color only in 320x200 mode), RGB
Apple IIgs: Composite (B&W only), RGB
Atari ST: RGB

>> No.5446797 [DELETED] 

>>5446781
>Genesis: RF, composite
>*SNES is unique in that a stock machine outputs RGB through the video out and no mods are required

Get lost with that fucking shit.

>> No.5446809

>>5446781
>Master System: RF
>Genesis: RF, composite
>5th gen consoles: RF/composite/S-video
>*SNES is unique in that a stock machine outputs RGB through the video out and no mods are required

Get super lost with that fucking shit. I actually had to write two posts because I didn't think you were that much of a faggot, but alas I read past a certain point.

>> No.5446814

The Genny does of course generate RGB internally but I do not remember if a mod was required. SNES RGB cables use a SCART-style connector so connecting them to a commonly available VGA monitor will neither be easy or cheap as it will also require a line double+sync separator.

>> No.5446828

The toaster NES has some of the best composite output of any retro system. Sega consoles are just a fuzzy mess.

>> No.5446839

>>5446814
>The Genny does of course generate RGB internally but I do not remember if a mod was required.

It does not require any mod, unless you're stuck with a Genesis 3. The only 5th gen console without stock RGB output is the N64, unless you get those super early PAL revisions. Fuck, even SMS does RGB natively on the accounts of having the same Model 1 Genesis av socket.

>> No.5446841

>>5446814
>SNES RGB cables use a SCART-style connector so connecting them to a commonly available VGA monitor will neither be easy or cheap as it will also require a line double+sync separator.
I wish Americans would stop thinking the entire planet revolves around them.

>> No.5446843

>>5446579
Aside the options already presented by the other anons, if you can find a local Super Smash Bros. Melee scene in the area, you could probably have some luck there. Melee players exclusively use CRTs for bracket play at weeklies and major tournaments.

>> No.5446862

>>5446781
Most of the systems you listed are irrelevant except to extreme autists.

NES: Composite, RF
Master System: RF
Genesis: RF, composite
SNES: RF, composite, S-video, RGB*
5th gen consoles: RF/composite/S-video

There, that's the only stuff most retrofags care about.

>> No.5446872

>>5446601
It's worth plenty to lots of people, but being valuable to people doesn't make it automatically have monetary value if you know what I mean. It's like a mug - yes it's valuable to the person using it at the time, but you won't make much selling it. Anyone turning up their nose at this is just a dumb hipster and not a true retro gaming fan at all. CRTs are a limited resource, they're not making any more of them. Each one should be cherished. Thing is there are logistics problems, you can't just put the thing in an envelope. All in all, you will get very little for it. You could try selling it for $10 making sure to list it has component... also put some bullshit like "PERFECT FOR RETRO GAMING!!11!!11". I recommend against throwing it away, which is very polluting (actually illegal) and also wasting a perfectly good CRT. Just keep it exactly where it is for your own future retro gaming OR in the future it may well start to be worth something significant again as the other CRTs go bust and those jerks laughing at you now are running around in panic trying to get their hands on a working CRT.

>> No.5446873

>>5446841
>I wish Americans would stop thinking the entire planet revolves around them
Would you buy a TV that didn't have SCART or RGB connections?

>> No.5446878

>>5446872
>Anyone turning up their nose at this is just a dumb hipster
Or someone who has any one of the better choices in CRT television already. A CRT television of this caliber is a lot like a waterbed. It seems like a cool thing to have, but good fucking luck trying to find someone else who wants one.

>> No.5446889

>>5446601
>I wanted to make sure it wasn't worth something to someone.

If you just want to see it go to someone who needs it, facebook marketplace and craigslist as free. It's not valuable, even if someone were in the market for one, unless it's a trinitron meme the most you could ever expect is $20, and you might have to sit on it for several months.

>> No.5446890

>>5446872
>CRTs are a limited resource, they're not making any more of them
>inb4 autistic argument over whether new ones are or aren't still made in China

>> No.5446914
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>>5446841
Well, you are on an american website, founded and located in america. Also you're discounting that all of canada and mexico are stuck with non-scart applications.

>> No.5446920

Australia didn't have SCART either.

>> No.5446929

>>5446914
>Well, you are on an american website, founded and located in america.

Few years late for that kiddo.

>> No.5446936

>>5446929
Just because jap moot owns it doesn't mean that it isn't an american website. As far as I know the servers are physically located in like Utah or something.
It's like going on 2chan and being upset that they speak japanese.

>> No.5446945

PVMs look too sharp for game graphics which mostly expected a somewhat blurry display for anti-aliasing.

>> No.5447060

>>5446731
Yeah, the only reason i would ever buy a CRT is to play light gun games. I much rather just play emulators on my phone cause I can play wherever I want. I know this is very unpopular online, but i know I'm not in the minority with this. I have a local arcade anyhow in my city and they have light gun games, so I just go there if I really wanna play some.

>> No.5447075

>>5447060
If you get an HDTV with a good enough upscaler, you can dispense with a CRT outside of playing Duck Hunt, but the quality of upscalers varies widely and nothing in a TV's spec sheet or manual will tell you how good or not good it is.

>> No.5447090

>>5447060
>I much rather just play emulators on my phone cause I can play wherever I want.

Yeah have fun showing yourself around with a fucking controller on your phone dude.

>> No.5447091

>>5447060
Of course I would prefer a CRT for retro systems, but I get nervous using one with the knowledge that the tubes wear out with enough use and I can't buy a new one until someday when hipsters start making new ones like they did with vinyl. Which may be a few decades down the road.

>> No.5447128

>>5447090
I use the touch controls. If you don't like playing with two fingers then you can claw and use more. Why would I carry a controller with me...

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>>5447128
>I use the touch controls

>> No.5447284

You can probably get $20-30 for it if you can find a buyer who'll collect it from you in person.

>> No.5447293

Legit worthless, the kind of TV upper middle class people pay you to take away, middle class offer it for free, and lower class crack it with a sledge and harvest the sweet, sweet copper which is worth about $5. Give it to charity and they'll sell it for about as much or just toss it on the curb.

>> No.5447305

>>5446656
The lead glass used to be recycled into new lead glass for new shitty CRTs for the third world, now very little to no demand in third world and near illegal in most richer places. Plastic ground up and reused, now negative value since China started banning a lot of waste imports. The rest went to landfills mostly in third world where a "responsible" "recycler" would look the other way.

>> No.5447441
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5447441

I have a 32" JVC in storage, it's somewhere in the AV-32 model range, I think it's possibly the AV-32360 model by looking at the user manual online. Rear panel has two port sections for RCA cables, component cable ports, audio out, RF, and,S-Video, with a third set of RCA connectors in front, and picture-in-picture functionality. Also has surprisingly good sound from the stock speakers, with a "Hyper Surround" feature built in.

I've been thinking of selling it to free up space, but was never sure if it would actually be a worthwhile endeavor as I didn't figure it would be worth anything, and it's heavy as shit so I dread moving it. Should I make an effort to get some scratch out of it, or send it on a flatbed next time my town does electronics recycling?

>> No.5447552

It's worth however much gas it takes for someone to come take it from you.

>> No.5447561

>>5446828
>NES
>best composite output
Are you serious? It's barely sharper than RF and scrolling often doesn't look as good as with a RGB mod or emulated. Not to mention that both NTSC US and PAL NES consoles output different color pallets on any television because they lack native RGB support. There are a few positive things I can say about the NES but its composite output ain't one of them.

>> No.5447590

>>5446579
Put it up on Craigslist for $20.

>> No.5447726

>>5447441
Sell it, or put it on Craigslist and hope some autist picks it up. I don't understand recycling things that work perfectly fine.
>60LBs max
>heavy as shit... dread moving it
Do you need to change out of your heels before you move it too, princess?

>> No.5447731

>>5447726
It has recessed handles on the rear top of the TV, so moving it is awkward. Plus my arms are already sore from lifting your obese mother's legs above her head.

>> No.5447740

>>5447441
Leave it the fuck alone. Keep it as a back up. How can you be living in that small a shoebox that its space is so important to you.

>> No.5447815

>>5446862
It's also wrong, Genny supports RGB, as do most of the 5th gen.

>> No.5447856

>>5446601
Yup. It's a legit turd

>>5446781
>lemme be literally retarded
Mission accomplished

>> No.5447976

>>5447740
Thanks for the helpful reply friend, recycling it is.

>> No.5448004
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I’m thinking of selling mine actually, pic related. How much do you reckon this is worth nowerdays?

>> No.5448006

>>5447305
>The lead glass used to be recycled into new lead glass for new shitty CRTs for the third world, now very little to no demand in third world
Didn't someone say they still make shitty CRTs in China or something?

>> No.5448007

>>5448004
I don't believe there's a market for vertical televisions.

>> No.5448015

>>5447561
>Not to mention that both NTSC US and PAL NES consoles output different color pallets on any television because they lack native RGB support
Figuring out the NES palette is tough because not only does it differ on NTSC and PAL, but the TV/monitor used can have a different interpretation of the colors, and NTSC-J also differs slightly from NTSC-U.

Furthermore, different PPU revisions display slightly different colors.

>> No.5448034

>>5448007
Kek

>> No.5448037

>>5447272
You can get really used to it. It takes practice and figuring out how to set up the buttons properly. Helps if you have a high end phone that can give you massive haptic feedback for tapping the screen. The virtual DPAD becomes amazing once you learn the zones and you can play fighting games without having your thumb getting sore from rubbing against real plastic.

>> No.5448154

So half the thread wants him to keep the TV, the other half wants him to chuck it.

Who's right?

>> No.5448160

>>5448154
OP wanted to chuck it to begin with he just wanted to know if it was valuable first and most of the thread has told him its not.

>> No.5448169

>>5448160
>and most of the thread has told him its not
Ok but that still doesn't answer who's objectively correct here. I mean, a majority of the thread could tell him the TV is worthless, but they could be wrong too. Or they could be right. It's impossible to say.

>> No.5448170

>>5448169
If it doesn't sell for 5-10 bucks on craigslist in a week then it's worthless.

>> No.5448172

>>5448169
I hate philosophy majors, I really do.

>> No.5448183

I never thought I'd ever say this but I'm so fucking glad I live in Eastern Europe for once. I can literally just pick up any 90s' Pansonic, JVC or Sony consumer CRT for $10 and it will have near-arcade monitor tier quality with RGB. 99% of them support NTSC 60Hz over AV too. Imagine being robbed of that. Imagine having the RGB inputs in your TV but with a shitty composite or S-video decoder put before them. I think it's fucking crazy.
Well, americans got EDTV crts and we didn't get much of those, but they usually upscale lower resolutions instead of supporting more horizontal refresh rates.
What do you do about this? How easy is RGB modding consumer Trinitrons for example? Do you just buy PVMs? Are you fine with S-video? I'm legit curious.

>> No.5448646

>>5447561
I don't think you know what bad composite output is until you've seen a Mega Drive running.

>> No.5448708

>>5448004
Probably about $35 because trinitron are more desirable. If it wasn't trinitron it would be worth $20 max.

>> No.5448721

>>5448004
do you live in seattle?

>> No.5448731

>>5448183
>I can literally just pick up any 90s' Pansonic, JVC or Sony consumer CRT for $10
You can do that here too. Nobody knows the difference between a barebones low end model and a higher quality consumer grade one at least not in my area.

>> No.5448743

Supposedly the RCA Dimensia had a RGB input.

>> No.5448774

>>5448183
>I'm legit curious.
I'll bite. Most are ok with s-video or composite. They don't know any better, and to be honest those are pretty fine for retro. If you can use component, you do use component unless you have brain damage, or just like the look of composite for nostalgia or "devs intention" reasons.

For those autistic enough, PVM/BVM/Medical monitors are the only way to get RGB "off the shelf" in the US. Within the last few years, it's becoming more possible for enthusiasts to RGB mod, unless they are to retarded or lazy to learn the easy life skill of soldering. I have a PVM, a BVM, and a modded 29" Sharp brand consumer set with shadow mask. With the RGB mod, it looks very good, and is easy enough to do for anyone who leans to solder. It's not "beginner" level, but perfectly fine for anyone with some practice in soldering. Watch some fucking voultar videos on soldering and just emulate what he does and you'll have no trouble. Flux like a motherfucker and slap that solder on like it's your bitch. When you learn how solder flows, you honestly don't have to fuss over it, even fine pitch surface mount IC stuff is child's play. Just apply the flux, apply the heat and flow that bitch on without a second thought.

Honestly, NES, SNES, Genesis look alright with composite on a consumer set. Not perfect, but entirely usable. Shit, most used RF back in the day anyway, so just going composite is a huge improvement. Honestly on a CRT composite and S-video are just fine and not really a bad thing.

>> No.5448791

>>5448774
>For those autistic enough, PVM/BVM/Medical monitors are the only way to get RGB "off the shelf" in the US
Or you could just use a VGA monitor (produced in the millions and available for cheaper than water) with a line doubler box.

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>>5446579
Lookin thick anon

>> No.5449047

>>5448004
Those are actually quite rare. If you find an autist who collects TVs they would buy that for a lot.

>> No.5449069

>>5448006
It's not really clear if/when it ended, could still be going through mountains of new old stock tubes.

>> No.5449075

>>5446601
Legit , this is one you give away for free and hope someone comes to get it so you don't have to pay dump fees

>> No.5449116

>>5448183
>i'm so fucking retarded
You have shit quality TVs that happen to have RGB connectors. They're no different than the shit quality RF only TVs other poorfags got except they have an extra connector. That's great and all, but you're seriously deluded if you think that makes them arcade

>> No.5449128

>>5448743
This has been looked into and while they do have a RGB connector, it's not analog RGB like SCART, it's a CGA-type TTL RGB input that was intended for a vaporware Telnet service.

>> No.5449272

>>5446579
>tfw had a 27" Trinitron in perfect condition
>tried to sell it to a pawn shop in 2010 after I got an HDTV
>they told me it wasn't worth the shelf space
I left it by a dumpster. Wish I'd kept it now

>> No.5449282

>>5449001
t-t-t-hanks bro

I'm legit 30 lbs overweight and struggling to lose. 1500 calories a day is killer on my american stomach. I have to chew gun all day

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>>5446656

>> No.5449432

>>5449282
30 lbs isn't too bad, once you shed 15 it will be smooth sailing from there. Just have to break yourself out of eating from boredom or as a self congratulating compulsion, those were the hardest things to overcome for myself personally. Stay strong, you've got this. Also remember to drink lots of water, your body needs them shits.

>> No.5449440

>>5447272
Daily reminder: you suck dick for fentanyl, you stupid faggot.

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>>5449282
>chew guns all day
That's America as fuck.

>> No.5449590

>>5449116
>barely any visual noise
>can compensate for geometry problems if you know what you're doing
>fairly accurate color, heavily depends on the model but you can't go wrong with Sony and Panasonic
They're not arcade-tier, but really close. Anything that isn't Sony, JVC, Panasonic or Philips is a shitty eyestrainer, I'll give you that, but these brands use good tubes and have proper service menus. I'm absolutely sure you own PVMs or arcade monitors and just can't accept the fact that some people had cheaper alternatives that were almost as good.

>> No.5449638

>>5449590
They're not really close. But keep telling yourself they are. It will help you feel less bad about being poor yourtrash.

>> No.5449725

>>5446873
>>5446841
not American, also get a lot of Japanese and Taiwanese atuff. I've never even heard of SCART until today. Never seen one.

euros have to stop believing that they comprise "the rest of the world"

>> No.5449731

>>5446890
We get cheap china shit here all the time and yet I see CRTs being sold for cheap. They're marketed as "flat screen" though but they're cleaely CRTs.

>> No.5449790

>>5449731
You're marketed as old enough to post here but you're cleaely too young to have learned basic vocabulary, like the meaning of "flat". Spoiler alert. When you get to first grade they teach geography and you'll learn that the earth isn't flat.

>> No.5449827

OP may be too young to know that RCA CRTs of that era were ghetto-tier to begin with. Anyhow, a quick perusal of your local craigslist will show well enough that the TV isn't worth the time it takes to list it (unless giving away, and even that is not a sure thing). Better models are going for 15 bucks or free. Either keep it for yourself (it'll work fine for light gun gaming), give it away, or dump it.

>> No.5449882

Test

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>>5449282
I hate to be the obnoxious ketoposter, but consider keto or at the very least cut the amount of carbs you normally eat. I guarantee you'll feel full for longer periods of time, the weight will come off quicker and your risk of diabetes will shrink.

>> No.5450095

>>5449915
Not really an option. Living with Mexicans and it's their way or the highway when it comes to what we eat. It's part of their "culture"

>> No.5450235

>>5449827
>OP may be too young to know that RCA CRTs of that era were ghetto-tier to begin with

Thomson TVs had kind of crap chassis, but the tubes themselves were quite dependable and seem to run forever.

Also their CRTs were made in Indiana (despite Thomson being a French company) so they're all-American. :^)