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5438432 No.5438432 [Reply] [Original]

Has anyone here ever tried to use one of these? How was it like?

>> No.5438646

>>5438432
Yes. It's super fucking cool, really - comes with its own set of sprites and backgrounds you can dick around with and program basic games with. It's more of an introductory course in BASIC than anything, but you can definitely write some neat things, and it would've been really cool if you didn't have access to a computer at the time.

>> No.5438656

It's something like Apple II Integer BASIC. Mostly a teaching tool/toy and you can't write very long programs with it nor does it support floating point arithmetic.

>> No.5439328

>>5438432
It's a shame they never saw the value in consumer dev tools.

>> No.5439440

>>5439328
Do you think THEY wanted US to be able to create full and complete NES games and share them freely with the cassette?
Where is the value in that?

>> No.5439470

>>5439440
You're not going to do anything good in BASIC, especially not when you had like a couple kb of memory for your program.

>> No.5439476

>>5439470
That's exactly what THEY wanted you to think..

>> No.5439502

Saw a website once where some guy managed to run it on a toaster NES by wiring the keyboard to the bottom expansion port. It looked like Frankenstein's Monster.

>> No.5439725

>>5438656
How viable was it to adapt Sinclair BASIC programs to the NES Family then? I have seen people do so on the DS with SmileBASIC.

>> No.5439746

>>5439476
Shut up

>> No.5439916

>>5438432
Yes. Shit.

>>5439470
Tons of good stuff was written in basic but you can be forgiven for not knowing that because it all happened long before you were born. Memory was always a problem with interrupted HLLs but the real killer for all these babies first basics was the difficulty in inputting, saving and exchanging.
This wasn't even limited to basic. I remember paying a fuckton for the TI EA, memory, expansion box, disc, etc and being able to share my shit with the one other person I knew who had all that.
Game basic was a great system where you could use an entire CD, provided you could make your own copy protected disks. For Everyone who wasn't sega you were limited to floppies that only worked in the drive no one had.
The wonder witch was the first real hobbyist friendly dev system which is why despite only selling in Japan and only selling like 3 copies there were some awesome home brew WS games long before homebrew became a hipster milking kickstarter machine.

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>>5438432
I have one, it's pretty neat. you can save your programs to your phone or tablet with the tape out port.

>> No.5440035
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5440035

>>5440034
also there exists basic v3 with more memory and better built in commands, it also has 4 pre-programmed games.

>> No.5440908

>>5439916
What the fuck am I reading.

>> No.5440961

>>5439502
Get an ENIO board; it lets you use Famicom peripherals with a NES.

>> No.5440969

>>5438646
>Family Computer
If you had one of these, then you did have access to a computer, moron.

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>>5439328
So it could be flooded with garbo shovleware like the Atari and Speccy?

>> No.5440984

The Apple II is the one home computer that seems to have mostly avoided the shovelware problem, likely because it was expensive. Its software library is overall high quality.

>> No.5440995

>>5439328
NOA rejected the idea of bringing Family BASIC over here because there was no real need for it. Home computers in the US were plentiful and you could just get a C64 at Kay-B-Toys if you wanted that shit.

>> No.5441067

http://famicomblog.blogspot.com/2010/05/square-button-famicom-my-new.html

Solid colored screen indicates a bad CPU. He should have tried testing it with a multimeter to confirm.

>> No.5441305

>>5440908
genuine frontier autism

>> No.5441539

>>5441305
do you even know where you are?

>> No.5441574

>>5441539
Internet asylum apparently

>> No.5441905

>>5441067
The early Famicoms had heat sinks on the PPU. It's a bit interesting that Nintendo were paranoid about that when the CPU gets quite a bit warmer, yet those were never heat sinked.

>> No.5441915

>>5438432
I use it all the time. It's extremely robust and if not for the insanely low amount of RAM it'd be the best version of BASIC I've ever used.

Here's some programs I wrote.

Controller Test
https://youtu.be/HANI0X5hiuA

Slot Machine
https://youtu.be/vFMKJcfRTdI

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5441919

>>5439502
It's super easy to do if you have the enio board and an Everdrive. You need to bridge some pins if you wanna save programs.

>> No.5441920

>>5441915
>it'd be the best version of BASIC I've ever used
>doesn't even support floating point numbers

>> No.5441929

Atari had a BASIC for the 2600. Since there were 128 bytes of memory, it was something less than usable.

>> No.5442363

>>5441929
You could write a whole 10 lines of code. It's pretty ballsy that they even bothered.

>> No.5443260

>>5440961
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfVia-SwRCg

REMINDER THAT THE EVERDRIVE'S FDS SOUND EMULATION IS WAY OFF.

>> No.5443284

>>5443260
>video from 2017

>> No.5443337

>>5440961
The ENIO is designed for the Everdrive/Power Pack. It doesn't quite work if you want to use real Famicom carts because they all perform their own audio mixing.

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5443636

Thanks for the heads up OP. Just got a rom for it.

Is anyone else having trouble mapping the virtual famicom keyboard in fceu (0.98.12) to your pc's keyboard? Can't get it to work.

>> No.5443697

>>5443260
Not anymore it's not.

>> No.5444049

>>5443337
>doesn't quite work
kek

>> No.5445885

if this thing actually allows you to peek and poke at any memory location, you could technically write a very simple assembler, right?

>> No.5445890

>>5445885
Not with 2k of RAM you're not.

>> No.5446001

>>5441929
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evmUlPnEjQE

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5446009

>>5446001
>LCD monitor

>> No.5446093

>>5443636
There's an option for it in the controller menu.

>> No.5446126

>>5446001
Well this looks like a fun program to try in Family BASIC...with the Japanese flag+anthem, not this baka gaijin stuff.

>> No.5446135

>>5446126
He doesn't show the program listing in the video. You'd have to try and recreate it based on its behavior as seen.

>> No.5446140

>>5446001
Whoever connected that TI-99/4A to a LCD, neck yourself.

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>> No.5446169

>>5446126
Yes, because Japan wasn't a terrorist nation or anything. Fuck Japan.

>> No.5446242

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20Yh_E3iAIw

>this soiboy hipster
"OMG Coleco makes a Nintendo game on an Atari system how randumb is that? XD"

>> No.5446282

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC3nq8dc7D8

>> No.5446292

>>5446242
limp wristed soi boi

>> No.5446297

>>5446242
Ladies and gentleman, your average Imagine Dragons fan.

>> No.5446339

>>5446140
mmuh 400 pound radiation cannons

>> No.5448003

>>5446339
Get the fuck out.

>> No.5449625

>>5448003

go slip a disc, tubefucker

>> No.5449953

>>5446009
>>5446140
I'll never get why people cling to those old hunks of shit, I always hated CRT displays even back in the day before flat screens.
Fuzzy image, gathers dust, makes noise, takes up huge amounts of space if you want a screen that's bigger than a postage stamp, and glares like mad if there's a light source anywhere in the same building.

>> No.5450248

>>5449953
It's complicated.

>> No.5450597

>>5449953
You're not fooling anyone 00's baby

>> No.5450869
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5450869

>>5438432
Nintendo almost released and marketed the NES as a comptuer in the US.

>> No.5451840

>>5450597
>>5450248
No, but seriously, why are some of you so obsessed with a real shit kind of display?
I grew up with those things and always found them kind of awful as a kid, the noise and glare was always annoying.

>> No.5451865

>>5451840
I'm not obsessed but old 2d games look like shit on lcd displays.
Only remedy on modern displays is punping your lcd's contast to max and fucking around with retroarch shaders.
The best one for me is crt.geom since i compared it side to side with my crt and the image is almost the same.
Plus that is the only shader that reproduces the fog effect from Silent Hill 1.
It properly gives the fog a blue-ish tint like on my crt.

>> No.5451872

>>5451865
Looks fine to me.

>> No.5451875

>>5451840
>a real shit kind of display
Just because you only had garbage ones doesn't mean this kind of disploay is shit.

>> No.5451884

>>5451875
Never saw one which looked good.

>> No.5452079

>>5451840
I just like things that work and look good. Sounds like you're the one who's obsessed. Sounds lke you're triggered because you were the only family of niggers who couldn't afford to steal an LCD when you were a baby.

>> No.5452736

>>5451884
Then you either live in a shithole or you're baiting too hard.

>> No.5452795

>>5452736
Sweden was a first world country back in those days.

>> No.5452797

>>5452795
>Sweden was a first world country back in those days.
Sweden never was first world.

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5452818

>>5452797
If you say so.

>> No.5452821

>>5452818
Sweden never aligned itself with the western or the eastern bloc, it alway was a third world country m8.

>> No.5452848

>>5452821
True, by the old Cold War definition.

>> No.5452862

>>5452848
The definition used for third world nowadays makes no sense tho -- a lot of countries which are called now called third world by some alway were second world soviet puppets or pro-american first worlders, while there's a bunch of third world countries that were richer than most of those.

>> No.5452886

>>5438646
>neat
Anyone who uses this word is a massive faggot.

>> No.5452915

>>5452862
I know, they're real artifact phrases, but these days it's largely used to describe general wealth and technological development, stemming from the fact that most first world countries during the Cold War were well developed and prosperous, second world countries being commies, obviously were very behind on that curve, and many third world countries were small and poor places which either had almost zero presence in international politics, and/or kind of hoped to god they wouldn't have to get involved in the dickfencing between NATO and the Warsaw Pact.

It's kind of one of those peculiar ways that language develops.
The Swiss were third world by the original definition, because they were unaligned, but they were (and still are), one of the wealthiest and most prosperous nations in the world.
People don't think of Switzerland when they hear the phrase "third world".

>> No.5452952

>>5452886
Your mom is neat.

>> No.5453606

What the fuck is wrong with you people. We have this incredibly cool are thing, and yet somehow we're arguing about bullshit.

Family BASIC is awesome.

>> No.5453997

>>5452952
>Your mom raised a NEET
FTFY
>>5453606
>stop hating britney
I can't speak for all us not redditors but laughing about your bullshit is one of the few joys I get on this subreddit of a shithole. Please don't take that away from me by fucking of back to the underage shithole you belong in.

>> No.5454864

>>5453997
Why do you feel like this?

>> No.5455091

>>5454864
Because I'm an adult with my own thoughts and experience?

>> No.5455410

>>5451872

Probably because you're too stupid to know the difference

>> No.5455509

>>5455410
>fuzzier
>screen gets hard to see if there's any light reflecting on it
How does this make it look better?

>> No.5455663

>>5455509
>>fuzzier
Only if you use RF or composite
>>screen gets hard to see if there's any light reflecting on it
Same with most lcds

>> No.5455775

>>5455663
I used RGB and I thought it looked pretty fuzzy and unclear.

>Same with most lcds
Not even remotely to the same degree. I can have a light on in the room, or have daylight shining in through the window, and as long as I don't have the lamp or sun shining directly on the screen, the glare is almost never ever noticeable, whereas with a CRT, the screen will reflect light like a mirror.

>> No.5456618

>>5455775
>i lied on the internet

>> No.5456658

>>5456618
Where did I lie?