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which was the better masterpiece

>> No.5434816

Super Noah's Ark 3D

>> No.5434825

>>5434814
It's obviously Super Metroid?

Can you name anything System Shock did superb and the masterpieces it lead to?

>> No.5434834

>>5434814
Doom 2

>> No.5434838

>>5434825
This. Op wait a bit to post on vr again. You need time honey.

>> No.5434854

futile, op. this board will always back jap console kids games.

>> No.5434869

>>5434814
I prefer system shock due to the immersive and haunting ambience.

>> No.5434872

>>5434825
>Can you name anything System Shock did superb and the masterpieces it lead to?
Can you name anything Super Metroid led to?
It was the last good Metroid game

>> No.5434881

>>5434872

Fusion was breddy gud

>> No.5434895

>>5434872
Honestly? Environmental design and attention to detail. There are battles that moved through corridors until they reached dead ends that you can trace by the severed limbs, bullet holes, broken guns and shredded bodies.

At one point you even find a formerly barricaded cafeteria full of corpses of unarmed people who were gunned down by cyborgs. Severed limbs and items aren't normally dropped at random in System Shock 1. Skulls are a little more random, but it's not like Doom where they're just like "Let's throw some tortured people's bodies here and there, killed marines to be spooky". The important part is it's not something that stands out and is obvious like Bioshock 1's environmental design, it's something you have to pay attention to and notice, and it adds to the atmosphere.

The level designers made the station first and THEN added robots, traps, and where people died, and as a result it has a subtler, more important sense of place.

>> No.5434897

>>5434881
>5434881
Fusion holds your hand tigher than my GF holds my cock.

>> No.5434901

>>5434814
Whichever one feeds 4chan's pseud-complex more

>> No.5434905

>>5434814
Legend of Xanadu- PC Engine (1994)

>> No.5434940
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>>5434869
That's why Super Metroid is so good. I feels lonely and isolating and the sounds perfectly compliment the atmosphere.

>>5434872
Super Metroid is pretty much responsible for the avalanche of indie titles, all the way up to Hollow Knight's critical reception.

>>5434895
Alright, that sounds pretty rad..

>> No.5435098

>>5434814
Super Metroid.
SS1 has a lot of neat ideas but it just doesn't play that well compared to contemporary fpss, immersion is great though.

>> No.5435115 [DELETED] 

>>5435098
ss was more of a dungeon crawler fps than a regular fps shooter

>> No.5435119

>>5435098
ss was more of a dungeon crawler fps than a regular shooter fps

>> No.5435123

>>5434897
Are you implying Fusion doesn't exist?

>> No.5435126

Kingdom Grandprix. Fuck your progress shooters.

>> No.5435128

>>5434854
As opposed to westie computer kids games?

>> No.5435141

>>5434940
>Super Metroid is pretty much responsible for the avalanche of indie titles, all the way up to Hollow Knight's critical reception.
Except all the indie metroidvanias take after SotN far more than they take after Super Metroid, including Hollow Knight. I actually really wish there were more games like Super Metroid, but they're all fucking Castlevania clones instead.

>> No.5435161

>>5434872
>Can you name anything Super Metroid led to?
It was so influential it led to Castlevania throwing its unique IP away by making Super Metroid clones from that point forward.

>> No.5435172

>>5434825
>Can you name anything System Shock did superb and the masterpieces it lead to?
It was a metroidvania and one of the first rpg-shooter.

>> No.5435231

>>5435128
not at all, you sad weeb sperg

>> No.5435256

>>5435172
>system shock 1
>rpg

>> No.5435260

>>5435256
At the time it was obviously an evolution of dungeon crawler RPGs with direct lineage to Ultima Underworld, but yeah in retrospect there are no actual RPG mechanics. It's an adventure game.

>> No.5435264

>>5435141
I got some news for you about where sotn got its inspiration

>> No.5435353

>>5435256
Sorry, I was thinking of system shock 2 then.

>> No.5435429

>>5435231
Seethe harder kid

>> No.5435487

>>5435429
i'm 32, how old are you?

>> No.5435497

>>5435487
Not him, but aren't you a bit old for the "mature games for mature gamers" edgy mentality?

>> No.5435594

>>5435264
Simon's quest?

>> No.5435609

>>5435161
That was Zelda.

>> No.5435634

>>5434816
this desu
only complaint is there are more than 2 of every animal on the ship

>> No.5435795

>>5434814
Kings Field

>> No.5436783

>>5434814
Metroid is infinitely better designed and infinitely more playable.

>> No.5436896

In ss, exploration actually matters.

>> No.5436902

>>5434814
I can't compare the two.

>> No.5436949

A super metroid clone with the system shock writing would be cool.

>> No.5438253

>>5436949
I feel like every other indie game nowadays wants to be this but doesn't come close to either game

>> No.5440089

>>5435609
You mean Castlevania, Metroid and everything else copied Zelda, but nu-males attributed everything to Metroid.

>> No.5442467

>>5434814
system shock 1 is prob the greatest game of all time

>> No.5442471

I think it's hard to beat 1985.
Hang-On, Space Harrier, Gradius, Super Mario Bros, Bard's Tale.
So many classics and state-of-the-art tech showcase. It was jawdropping to be alive in 1985 and be into video games.

>> No.5442501

>>5442467
Mighty big words, very enticing..

>> No.5443404

>>5434814
why would you even compare these two?

>> No.5443424

Just played System Shock first time last week. It has amazing level design and atmosphere, but the combat is just mindless and brings the whole experience down.

>> No.5443427
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>>5435256
>system shock
>not RPG

Hmm...who should I believe? Anonymous shitposter...or person who actually made the game?

>> No.5443438

>>5443427
Immersive Sim is the current term for this kind of game.

>> No.5444015
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5444015

>one is one of the best games of all time
>the other is shooty-tooty FPS #357352357686542654132

>> No.5444104

>>5444015
Why do people who've never played a game feel obligated to express their uneducated opinions?

>> No.5444107

>>5443427
Developers often lied out their ass to better market their product though.

>> No.5444124

>>5444015
>>one is one of the best games of all time
>>the other is shooty-tooty FPS #357352357686542654132
I agree, but... Super Metroid isn't an FPS.

>> No.5444372

Never heard of System Shock....

>> No.5444462

>>5434825
>Can you name anything System Shock did superb and the masterpieces it lead to?
SS2, Deus Ex, and Bioshock have a direct lineage.
It's a Looking Glass game, they're all well appreciated.

>> No.5444806

>>5444124
Yet the statement is true. Perhaps you should re-evaluate your conclusion.

>> No.5444842

>>5444372
Yeah sure

>> No.5444860

>>5444806
>I have never played System Shock

Thanks for sharing your biased opinion, very objective

>> No.5444962

>>5434814
System Shock. I didn't play it until the Night Dive version with mouselook came out and I thought it was still effectively chilling despite its flaws. SHODAN is a fantastic villain.

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>>5444860
>don't even have NPCs
>still pretend it's not a tooty-pooty call of duty

>> No.5445659

It's crazy to think that both these games came out in the same year. System Shock 1 was amazing for it's time in 1994. It does use a fully polygon 3D engine (unlike Wolf 3D and many of it's clones). It was an evolution on Ultima Underground game engine. The controls for the original game were a bit weird, and it played like a mix between a FPS and a point and click adventure with some minor RPG elements and an inventory system. The game has an incredible sense of atmosphere with horror elements (this game created the audio log trope), HUB based locations with non-linear level design. The game is like an FPS Metroid. There wasn't anything else like it for PC in 1994. The MIDI soundtrack is fantastic too and so is the ambient audio folly. The only issue with the original System Shock was the controls. But there are mouse look mods and the Night Dive Studio port that fixes this.

Both System Sock 1 and 2 are classics. The game can be speed run through in about 10 minutes, while System Shock 2 can take about 15 minutes. The System Shock series were the pre-cursor to the BioShock series. But I've always liked SS2 the most. I think System Shock 1 stands up on it's own against Super Metroid.

>> No.5445665

>>5445659
>Ultima Underground
Underworld, not Underground.

>> No.5445705

>>5445645
System Shock has many non-player characters. If it didn't, you'd have nothing to fight.

>> No.5446564

>>5445645
>I don't know what NPC stands for

We get it, you're starved for validation. Please continue beating your chest while ignoring how these are essentially the same game. Way to miss the entire point of the thread. Ignoramus.

>> No.5446667

>>5444107
>developers
Sure because programming people and not marketing people make those calls.

>> No.5446701

>>5434825
>Can you name anything System Shock did superb and the masterpieces it lead to?
Any game that uses audio logs to tell the plot.

>> No.5446715

>>5434814
System Shock had more flaws but did many many things good.

Super Metroid: Had more polish but didn't do as many things good.

>> No.5446868

>>5435141
you checked out "A Robot Named Fight"? it's pretty much exactly as close it could get to SM without drawing aggro from the Nintendo lawyers.

>> No.5447298

>>5434814
I get motion sickness when playing FPSs so I'm going to pick SM.

>> No.5449120

>>5446715
lol system shock didnt anything good.

>> No.5449279

I think I suck at video games. Are the controls for System Shock supposed to have a lot of steps? I feel like you have to click five or six things just to accomplish one basic task like using an item or turning the camera.

>> No.5449946

Without System Shock there would be no Goldeneye. Metroid only inspired the worst castlevanias.

>> No.5449969

>>5435141
Axion Verge is a Super Metroid Clone,Ori feels more like Metroid than Castlevania and Shantae is more a Wonder Boy clone

>> No.5449991

>>5449279
Yeah, the controls take some getting used to. All movement has a keyboard binding, you don't need to click to turn and stuff. You can alt+click to double-click or automatically loot things rather than dragging and dropping.

Assuming you're talking about the original controls. Mouselook makes it "easier" but it also has its own problems and it's not really a game designed for it.

>> No.5450065

>>5434814
Super Metroid. The awkward mouse look in System Shock means it can never be above 8.5

>> No.5450085

>>5449279
Just play the enhanced edition. Jesus christ how are there still retards that don't know about this

>> No.5450271

Super Negroid

>> No.5450360

>>5434814
Did play System Shock really little, foud it too complex. Probably a great game, though. Finished Super Metroid at least three times. Still can't compare the two. But I would go for Super Metroid...

>> No.5450428

>>5449946
imagine being this ignorant.

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>>5435231

fuck off uncultured swine, you poison every thread on here with your shit

>> No.5450492

>>5446701
>too lazy to make a story
>let's just put txt files everywhere, lol
Can ledditors stop pretending this is an advantage? It's lazy and gay and boring.

>> No.5450498

redditors love to pretend to like system shock and the other LGS garbage games.

>> No.5451010

>>5434897
But it makes up for it in difficulty. SM is piss easy compared to MF.

>> No.5451025

>>5450085
This is on the enhanced edition. The first time I ever tried it was with the enhanced edition.

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>>5445705
>>5446564
Mobs are not classified as NPCs you morons.

>> No.5451550

>>5434814
I love System Shock tons, but Super Metroid aged better.

>> No.5452374

Replaying System Shock now and can confirm it's better than Super Metroid.

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>>5450271
I'd like to play such a title.

>> No.5452625

I'm just not into PC games. I never have been and I never will be.

>> No.5454543

>>5435264
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-03-21-koji-igarashi-says-castlevania-sotn-was-inspired-by-zelda-not-metroid

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>>5434825
Just the greatest PC game ever made, that's all.

>> No.5454597

FFVI is the only masterpiece from '94.

>> No.5454990

>>5434814
>One of these games is still talked about today as one of the pioneers of its' genre, and is fondly remembered as one of the greatest entries in this series
>The other one isn't talked about at all outside of /vr/
Nice attempt at a thread, I guess.

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>> No.5455010

>>5434814
Contra: Hard Corps

>> No.5455639

>>5434854
yep, Super metroid will beat anything else on /vr/

>> No.5455925

>>5450492
The logs were more detailed in txt but many had audio to accompany them that gave the gist of what you needed to take away from it.