Why does this quote trigger people so much? He's objectively right.

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Anonymous Tue Mar 12 08:51:33 2019 No.5430696 [Reply] [Original]

Why does this quote trigger people so much? He's objectively right.

Anonymous Tue Mar 12 09:03:39 2019 No.5430708

I’d actually rather the story in my porn be incredibly detailed and in fact the focus of it or just not there at all rather than it being perfunctory. Carmack’s analogy is based on like, bad ‘70s–‘80s porn and doesn’t really wash.

I mean, we have a market now for specialized pornography where different things are fetishized, some aspects of which are intellectual. The same is true of games — not everything is action, action, action. Oops. Sorry!

Anonymous Tue Mar 12 09:18:47 2019 No.5430731

>>5430708
>Given the position of these characters in their respective arcs as well as their stablished interaction dynamics, should she start sucking his huge black dick? Also maybe they're stepsiblings or something

I agree; a really big part of the appeal of a game is the scenario and consequently the story. Since I'm not a serious FPS player I never got into Doom because the sci-fi setting felt boring and unappealing to me, but objectively inferior games like Duke Nukem 3D or Outlaws felt more fun because of the "realistic" environments.

I think in game design the gameplay concept should always come first, but half-assing the scenario will ALWAYS make for a weaker game

Anonymous Tue Mar 12 09:23:10 2019 No.5430741
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Because in practice it happens the opposite. Games with good gameplay but bad storytelling are forgotten faster than the opposite. Check out every major videogame series and you will see this: casualization, characters with more charisma and lines, more resources spent in how the game looks and not how to expand the gameplay, etc.

Not that I like it, but it is the reality.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 12 09:27:50 2019 No.5430750 >>5430696 Depends on what you think video games should be as a medium, and also on each game. So no, not objectively right.

Anonymous Tue Mar 12 09:32:23 2019 No.5430754
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>>5430696
The thing just is that some people get turned on more by well-written erotic fiction than some B-tier skank getting railed by a pizza guy. A well-implemented good story can make the porn/gameplay feel much better.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 12 09:35:46 2019 No.5430762 File: 54 KB, 800x750, 1542840049091.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5430696 >t. COD-kiddy

Anonymous Tue Mar 12 10:39:13 2019 No.5430838

>>5430696
I actually can't get off to porn that's just a context-free video of two people fucking. I NEED there to be a narrative build up and payoff. A believable scenario, believable characters and motivations, mounting sexual tension, and then the release of that tension as all the elements of the setup culminate in sexual satisfaction. Without all that, what's even the point? Plain sex is kind of offputting when you just view it raw with no connection to it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 12 10:50:55 2019 No.5430851 >>5430838 Stop looking at porn and just jack off to your minds eye

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 12 10:52:39 2019 No.5430857 This is now a story driven porn thread.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 12 10:56:44 2019 No.5430864 >>5430838 Idk man. Seeing her enjoy herself is kind of satisfying on its own, even if you know it's "acting". Honestly vanilla plot-less stuff with good performers does it for me better than exaggerated over the top performances in elaborate scenarios.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 12 11:01:33 2019 No.5430879 >>5430838 I always though this, seeing two normal people fucking with no context is just boring.

Anonymous Tue Mar 12 11:17:08 2019 No.5430914

>>5430864
>exaggerated over the top performances in elaborate scenarios.
It doesn't need to be so over the top or overly elaborate, I just need some form of context. Even if it's some vanilla amateur video, I'll enjoy it so much more if the couple just has some time of talking to each other beforehand or something to establish their relationship and dynamics. It really lets me get into it in a way that a video of just two people immediately fucking can't.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 12 12:16:51 2019 No.5431052 >>5430731 >duke nukem 3d >objectively inferior. Lmao doombabbies.

Anonymous Tue Mar 12 16:14:19 2019 No.5431546

>>5430741
This is true. I am not a story person by any means (my favorite games tend to have litte/no story or the story makes no sense anyway), but the fanbases gravitate much more strongly to games that have a story. That's part of why you see so much dedication to story-based series, to the point of fans discussing and debating over the story, characters, etc. It's funny, this was pointed out in an interview I saw with gunpei yokoi and another guy I can't remember the name of now. Yokoi was disappointed in games of that time (about 1995), because they were often very similar/identical to older games, and just threw a story on top to, in his view, distract players from the fact that they were playing an also-ran game.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 12 16:21:24 2019 No.5431559 >>5430708 This. Good vintage pornos like Deep Throat or Taboo 2 are way more enjoyable to me than modern porn where it’s just aggressive jackhammer fucking and choking and shit.

Anonymous Tue Mar 12 16:24:31 2019 No.5431565

>Be me
>Play Quake 4
>Shoot some enemies
>"MARINE HURRY UP AND GET TO THE NEXT ROOM!"
>shoot some enemies
>"PRESS THE BUTTON MARINE, WHY ARE YOU NOT THERE YET?"
>shoot some enemies
>"MARINE GET YOUR ASS OVER HERE ON THE DOUBLE"
>shoot some enemies
>"MARINE YOUR NEW OBJECTIVE IS TO GO OVER THERE AND PRESS THE BUTTON"
>shoot some enemies
>MARINE WHERE ARE YOU? YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE HERE!
>shoot some enemies

Anonymous Tue Mar 12 16:28:15 2019 No.5431575

>>5431559

Very true, as someone who collects 70s porn movies its just painful to see how it all changed over the years.
Then by the year 2000 it was nothing more than the obvious pornstar ringing the doorbell of a mansion just to "accidentally" fuck "her friend's brother".

I was happy when Half-Life introduced more of a story based experience back in the day.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 12 16:31:35 2019 No.5431582 >>5431565 Love how you skipped a fucking iconic scene in the FPS genre in your shit-stupid summarization.

Anonymous Tue Mar 12 17:37:59 2019 No.5431756

There is absolutely zero reason why a game cannot have both good gameplay and a good story. The whole idea that either one of these is unimportant is nothing more than laziness on behalf on hack developers who haven't been relevant in decades. Games can be memorable for great gameplay and no real story but that's nothing more than a glorified kids toy. A game with a great story but poor gameplay is little more than a visual novel. Make a game that succeeds in both and you have an instant classic made by a developer who can legitimately say they pushed the envelope in every category instead of cutting corners because it's "not important". Don't encourage laziness and greed.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 12 17:45:28 2019 No.5431772 >>5431575 Back in the day porn was made for cinemas with high production values. I do however also enjoy older stag movies. They're not as glamorous but they have enthusiasm. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Historic_pornographic_videos

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 12 17:59:15 2019 No.5431803 >>5430696 A game that also tells a decent story will always be more memorable to us than ones that don’t. That’s why Link’s Awakening and Majora’s Mask are considered standouts in the Zelda series for example.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 12 17:59:46 2019 No.5431804 File: 9 KB, 193x149, Doom_RPG_logo.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Programmer(s) John Carmack YIKES

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 12 18:01:41 2019 No.5431809 >>5430696 he does seem like a guy who watches a lot of porn movies without really understanding sexuality

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 12 18:06:08 2019 No.5431821 >>5431809 He has a wife and kid and you don't. Also that quote is probably from 25 years ago

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 12 18:33:28 2019 No.5431858 >>5430696 This quote is exactly why he needed John Romeo and made the dumpster fire that was Quake 2 as soon as he left.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 12 18:40:07 2019 No.5431871 >>5431804 I was reading an old Game Informer article about this with an interview by Carmack while taking a dookie the other day

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 12 18:46:22 2019 No.5431885 >>5431858 Pretty much. It’s kind of like a Jobs/Wozniak deal where the autistic programmer nerd needs a cool, creative thinker to bring balance to their projects.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 12 18:50:30 2019 No.5431898 >>5431858 >>5431885 Romero was all about gameplay. He never came up with good stories.

Anonymous Tue Mar 12 18:50:59 2019 No.5431901
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>>5430741
Monster Hunter is one of the most popular series of all time and basically has no story.

Street Fighter is similarly massively popular and has a story but no one really cares about it.

The Mario series has a vague story but again is beside the point.

Tetris, perhaps the most popular puzzle game ever has zero story as well.

All that said, I appreciate and like a well told story in a game.

Anonymous Tue Mar 12 18:57:16 2019 No.5431914

I agree but most people don't because they're looking for games to be the ultimate hybrid medium regardless of what aspects are lost in translation. And there certainly are some very strong tensions when trying to marry story and gameplay, it's telling that the most successful combinations of the two either have very simplistic story telling limited to just background elements such as world building and a few key events, or very limited interactivity and player agency because otherwise it wouldn't allow for the control necessary to tell a good story. Though thankfully the most demanding and engaging form of video games that is pure competitive games is mostly devoid of that shit and will always be strong no matter how much the non competitive single player "experience" side of things degrades.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 12 18:59:37 2019 No.5431921 >>5430696 Who does this actually trigger? Unrelated, tons of porn exists that's nothing but story. It's called porn for women.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 12 19:02:38 2019 No.5431935 >>5431921 No one has ever been triggered by anything Carmack has said. OP is a tryhard fisherman but he's at least posting something other than Sega bait for once.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 12 19:08:55 2019 No.5431953 >>5431565 Don't keep us in suspense, did you press the fucking button or not?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 12 19:37:35 2019 No.5432046 >>5431953 twuzn't ez

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 12 19:39:42 2019 No.5432051 >>5430696 It doesn't trigger people. It triggers subhuman autists who shitpost incessantly about deepest lore and shit of the sort.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 12 19:42:37 2019 No.5432056 >>5431901 For me story is just a nice bonus. If the game is good the story might as well make no fucking sense, but if it's a good game with good story then that's just great.

Anonymous Tue Mar 12 19:44:51 2019 No.5432067

I feel like a game is the sum of its parts. A game that plays great, but looks and sounds like crap can ruin the experience. Yes gameplay is the most important, but that isn't an excuse to not try on the other parts of the game. The games that are legendary are the ones that are the complete package. Your story doesn't even have to be good it just needs to not be bad.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 12 19:46:10 2019 No.5432073 >>5432056 A: sfjiojseijgijs B: aifjiwfei A: aifjijfweiji DOPAMINE, DOPAMINE, DOPAMINE 10/10 , would get stuck in a cyclical pattern again

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 12 20:02:57 2019 No.5432130 >>5432056 Yeah that's my outlook as well.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 12 20:12:36 2019 No.5432164 >>5432073 What? I was agreeing with him.

Anonymous Tue Mar 12 20:49:29 2019 No.5432254

>>5431901

Monster Hunter and SF are usually played with friends. Mario does have a story, it's just that it's honestly a children's tale (Mario Galaxy being the best example of this), and furthermore those are really simple games where a simple story is appropriate. Tetris is a puzzle game and you get to see the whole game with all its content and mechanics during the first ten seconds of playing.

Anonymous Tue Mar 12 20:56:18 2019 No.5432271

>>5432073
>DOPAMINE, DOPAMINE, DOPAMINE
Ahh yiss! That's the stuff.

At first mom didn't like the idea of me spending good boy points on "those damn phone thing games" but now even someone as dumb as her sees the value in a few power ups and recharges from time to time.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 12 20:58:28 2019 No.5432278 >>5432254 Okay so what's your point?

Anonymous Tue Mar 12 22:01:30 2019 No.5432393

>>5432278

I'm saying in one case you're wrong and in the other cases nobody wants a story in the first place. Except for Quake 1 and 3, Carmack only makes games where there's a story. Even Doom would be way worse if it didn't at least have a scenario mentioned in the instruction manual.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 12 22:03:01 2019 No.5432394 File: 40 KB, 610x347, smugcarmack.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] ahem Fuck storyfags Fuck aestheticsfags And fuck jarpigs

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 12 23:12:06 2019 No.5432528 File: 85 KB, 577x432, kebop.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5432394 Video games will never have good stories again

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 12 23:28:18 2019 No.5432550 >>5432073 >>5432271 What the fuck are you two even on about? Talk like a real person.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 12 23:36:50 2019 No.5432571 >>5432393 >in the other cases nobody wants a story in the first place. Exactly

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 12 23:39:25 2019 No.5432580 >>5432550 Ever since I was a little boy I wanted to grow up into a real adult but I keep being held back and your outrage isn't helping much tbph.

Anonymous Tue Mar 12 23:41:18 2019 No.5432584

>>5432571
No, exactly not. Carmack said the quote in OP because people began pointing out that his games should have more story. Most of his games don't apply to those other games you're talking about.

You're trying to answer the question of why a slow as fuck game like Doom 3 didn't have the story a game like that should clearly have by comparing it to Tetris.

Anonymous Tue Mar 12 23:45:15 2019 No.5432598

>>5431804
>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! GUYS HE ONLY POSTED A ONE WORD RESPONSE! SEE HOW COOL AND ABOVE IT ALL HE IS! YIKES OOF WEW LAD DAMN SON!
Get fucked, get fucked, get fucked. I hope you are destroyed. I want you to be raped, I hate you so much. Fuck you, with every fiber of my being fuck you. Stop posting like fucking girls on this board. Stop responding with one word comments like "yikes" or "oof." This shit is fucking infuriating and it's been going on for way to fucking long.
>"b-but I was just talking like a girl ironically"
Oh yeah, and I dressed your dad up in a wig and fucked him up the ass "ironically." Wow so funny am I right? What irony! Stop ruining this fucking board with this fucking yikes bullshit. Nobody is better for having read a single word comment just saying yikes. That bandwidth could have gone to something better, the net negative value of your comment is such that it is actively destroying the internet one bit at a time. Maybe those pixels that would have been used to say "yikes" on your screen could go to a more worthy cause, like reddit or a facebook group!
>"yik-"
No stop right fucking there. I no you're going to comment back with "yikes," I know you just can't get enough of that retarded shit. I want you to know you're disappointing everybody right now with everything you say. Get fucked. Nobody comes here so they can see the word "yikes" unaccompanied by anything else. If that were the case, they could just get a marker and some paper and write "yikes" on their own time. Leave it by their computer maybe. Fuck you and your yikes.
>"please, st-stop being mean to me"
Then fix your life. Fix how you comment. Maybe fix what sites you go to. Stop with this yikes crap that's just fucking irritating.
Remember this: nobody wants, nobody likes, yikes yikes yikes

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>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 00:04:13 2019 No.5432632 >ITT: Plebs who think story, plot, and narrative are the same thing

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 00:09:14 2019 No.5432639 >>5432632 To Carmack they are.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 00:12:40 2019 No.5432647 >>5430696 The only people who could have a problem with this are VN fags and Jarpigs. Neither of which are capable of a valid opinion.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 00:25:11 2019 No.5432684 >>5431901 >Monster Hunter is one of the most popular series of all time and basically has no story. ( citation needed )

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 00:25:37 2019 No.5432685 >>5432598 oof, that's a yikes for me senpai.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 00:28:00 2019 No.5432690 >>5432598 based

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 01:11:10 2019 No.5432771 File: 169 KB, 1920x1080, doom.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5432632 mind=blown >>5432598 hubba hubba

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 01:11:13 2019 No.5432772 >>5432580 Your mother should probably look into a post-birth abortion

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 01:20:04 2019 No.5432790 File: 63 KB, 595x386, legal.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5432772 no u

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 01:29:39 2019 No.5432806 >>5430696 I find it to be a lazy analogy. It's only one step above food metaphors.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 02:12:42 2019 No.5432874 File: 38 KB, 640x528, seasons-of-sakura_10.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5430857 PC-98 thread?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 02:22:29 2019 No.5432891 >>5432598 oof

Anonymous Wed Mar 13 02:32:08 2019 No.5432904
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>>5432891
How does one post this shit:

>Get fucked, get fucked, get fucked. I hope you are destroyed. I want you to be raped, I hate you so much. Fuck you, with every fiber of my being fuck you. Stop posting like fucking girls on this board. Stop responding with one word comments like "yikes" or "oof." This shit is fucking infuriating and it's been going on for way to fucking long.

>Oh yeah, and I dressed your dad up in a wig and fucked him up the ass "ironically." Wow so funny am I right? What irony! Stop ruining this fucking board with this fucking yikes bullshit.

>No stop right fucking there. I no you're going to comment back with "yikes," I know you just can't get enough of that retarded shit. I want you to know you're disappointing everybody right now with everything you say. Get fucked. Nobody comes here so they can see the word "yikes" unaccompanied by anything else. If that were the case, they could just get a marker and some paper and write "yikes" on their own time. Leave it by their computer maybe. Fuck you and your yikes.

>Then fix your life. Fix how you comment. Maybe fix what sites you go to. Stop with this yikes crap that's just fucking irritating. Remember this: nobody wants, nobody likes, yikes yikes yikes

and expect for others to attempt to be better people?:

>Nobody is better for having read a single word comment just saying yikes. That bandwidth could have gone to something better, the net negative value of your comment is such that it is actively destroying the internet one bit at a time. Maybe those pixels that would have been used to say "yikes" on your screen could go to a more worthy cause, like reddit or a facebook group!

He's either larping, unstable, or alldeeaboove.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 02:36:52 2019 No.5432909 >>5432584 I don't care why he said it or that he was talking about Doom.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 02:45:25 2019 No.5432923 File: 1.88 MB, 320x180, life.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5432909 Oh, well, doom 2016 is a good game for having its story ironically about how little itself cares for it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 06:49:48 2019 No.5433150 >>5432923 Sure. I never said story was a bad thing or that it's not a good addition to a game. I was responding to this >>5430741 >Games with good gameplay but bad storytelling are forgotten faster than the opposite. I don't really see that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 06:55:54 2019 No.5433158 File: 12 KB, 480x360, hqdefault.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5430696 He's right, you know

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 06:59:24 2019 No.5433161 >>5433150 > > Games with good gameplay but bad storytelling are forgotten faster than the opposite. It's the opposite IMO. I don't recall any story-based games with poor (or non-existing) game-play.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 07:13:27 2019 No.5433174 >>5433161 Final Fantasy says hi

Anonymous Wed Mar 13 08:14:57 2019 No.5433234
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>>5430696
Gameplay and story are opposite since one is about player agency and making decisions which affect the outcome of whatever the game is and the other is relaying a narrative of something predetermined. It's possible to emulsify the two together but they'll always be butting heads and most often one ends up being at the expense of another.

Anonymous Wed Mar 13 08:44:59 2019 No.5433270

>>5431772
Enthusiasm is why I prefer older tokusatsu shows to newer ones, the premises are all still fuckin ridiculous, but I feel like the crazy shit is taken more seriously in the old programs, and they did shit that would never show up in modern shows (ie. Shocker having literal nazis in their ranks). I think they traded the insanity for teen drama, which is pretty lame by comparison.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 08:48:03 2019 No.5433274 >>5431582 tell me more about the cutscene gameplay

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 08:53:17 2019 No.5433276 >>5430696 All my watersports and omorashi porn usually contain some sort of story. It's better that way. It makes the wetting more believable

Anonymous Wed Mar 13 10:51:04 2019 No.5433474

>>5433270
I believe newer generations are more self-conscious about that kind of things. You can see it in modern comedy too. That kind of over the top shows or comedies are now too extreme or self-aware and have lost a lot of the charm and sincerity that made them popular.

It's the same thing why we don't have anymore clowns like Chaplin, Keaton, or Peter Sellers. People are afraid to show that artistry and vulnerability because comedy has gotten too cynical.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 10:54:07 2019 No.5433481 >>5433276 I watch mostly hot glue and those never have a story attached, but I like to make up my own because it's hotter that way.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 11:25:41 2019 No.5433547 >>5431803 tetris is pure gameplay and I can implement the game from memory alone

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 12:02:49 2019 No.5433638 File: 71 KB, 640x400, 82420-v-r-date-may-club-windows-screenshot-meeting-reiko-for-the.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5432874 This route would have been better with no story at all

Anonymous Wed Mar 13 12:07:53 2019 No.5433649

>>5432923
What a load of shit
>WATCH Doom 2016 Says F*** OFF to Story in Games and its Beautiful
The guy dismisses a talking box once but thats just because he fucking hates the robot boss. The game forces you to wait on average 3+ minutes for a boring dialogue dump every 30 minutes with no way to skip anything. Its not as bad as HL2 but its still worse than HL1

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 12:22:12 2019 No.5433678 >>5431582 >Be me >Told by marine boss to run from room to room >Suddenly I get captured >AAAH AAAH censored MY LEGS AAH AAH >WELCOME BACK MARINE, WE WON'T KILL YOU CUZ.. THIS KID SAYS YOU'RE OKAY. >NOW GET TO THE NEXT ROOM!! >shoot some enemies

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 13:03:57 2019 No.5433776 >>5431803 I don't think that's true at all.

Anonymous Wed Mar 13 15:42:49 2019 No.5434184

>>5430708
You're an idiot, the porn in the 70's/80's had a ton of plot. They had period-pieces, mystery thrillers, fantasy movies, science fiction, all with sets and a script longer than 2 pages.

The late 80's, 90's, is when porn fucking died and became nothing but gratuitous gangbangs and close-ups on gaping assholes.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 15:44:20 2019 No.5434187 >>5433474 Blame post-modernism.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 15:45:28 2019 No.5434192 >>5434184 At least there's still JAV where censorship prohibits closeups.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 15:46:05 2019 No.5434195 >>5431871 Wow, a literal shit post.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 15:47:33 2019 No.5434198 >>5434192 Except I'm not going to watch censored porn.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 16:13:03 2019 No.5434257 File: 27 KB, 157x98, b.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5434184 Oh how the times change

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 16:16:49 2019 No.5434269 >>5430696 No he's not and even he eventually realized it. Now fuck off to your containment general Doombaby.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 16:17:24 2019 No.5434273 >>5434198 Genitals are the worst part of pornography.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 16:21:17 2019 No.5434282 >>5434273 t. manchild

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 16:28:22 2019 No.5434316 >>5430708 Duuuude complex narratives fucking get me off. I love that shit so much. Surface level shit is so boring now

Anonymous Wed Mar 13 16:30:22 2019 No.5434320

>>5431582
The Strogification is way overhyped and utterly ruined by them reusing the same two second grunt soundbytes whenever something brutal happened. It's only iconic because of retarded kids like you thinking whoa this is toooootes hardcore better not show mum she'll ground me jajajaja

Anonymous Wed Mar 13 16:32:17 2019 No.5434325

>>5432067
> A game that plays great, but looks and sounds like crap can ruin the experience

Roguelikes basically disprove this

Good gameplay can make up for a bad story or bad graphics, but no amount of story or graphics can make up for a game not being fun to play

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 17:18:25 2019 No.5434448 >>5430696 Narrative >>> Lore. I want to be told a good story, but I don't want to be asked to explore a world in detail.

Anonymous Wed Mar 13 17:30:47 2019 No.5434472

>>5434320

Very true, when I reached that point I was expecting something epic seeing how everybody hyped the fuck out of it.
but then.. grunt grunt aaaaaaah grunt grunt aaaaah and then that white screen when they saw his legs off so you can't see anything.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 17:41:34 2019 No.5434502 >>5433270 This was because the shows moved from primetime to Sunday morning. The "take itself seriously" stuff was more for the parents that would be watching with the kids, and the shows were treated more like family entertainment than kids shows.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 17:58:56 2019 No.5434548 >>5430696 because a lot of people don't want a game to be challenging. They just want to watch a film where they are the main star.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 18:02:49 2019 No.5434557 >>5433276 based

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 18:03:09 2019 No.5434558 >>5434448 This is like the polar opposite of my preference. I love a world full of lore I can explore and dig into, but playing through a linear story has very little appeal.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 18:04:59 2019 No.5434565 >>5434558 That's because you're a dork!

Anonymous Wed Mar 13 18:07:26 2019 No.5434576

>>5430696
well, he's not exactly right. I mean, you can bring an interesting narrative in segments inbetween whatever the gameplay segements might be.
it's an episodic construct more than anything, based on a reward system. you are gratified for playing the game by experiencing story bits and pieces until the whole thing unfolds. it's a quite exaggerated thing to compare it to porn, even outrageously so because narrative in games is still more important than just getting a dopamine hit from watching erotic acts. because ask yourself, do you want games with good gameplay and shit story or games with good gameplay and good story? the gameplay is more important, yes but it doesn't make the whole product.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 18:13:59 2019 No.5434596 >>5434565 Well I'd rather be a dork than whatever you are. I like gameplay heavy games not stories you have to press X over and over to keep reading.

Anonymous Wed Mar 13 18:14:13 2019 No.5434598

>>5434558
Games are well praised if they spend more edfort towards good story (FFVI and Chrono Trigger) or lore (elder scrolls and souls series), but games that do both well for some reason to get that same praise, the ones I'm thinking of are FFXII and Mass Effect 2.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 18:30:14 2019 No.5434621 >>5434598 Would you expect them to get more praise... ?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 18:31:38 2019 No.5434624 >>5431565 >>5433678 >be me Who else would you be you reddit fuck

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 18:38:46 2019 No.5434641 >>5434192 A lot of JAVs are 1-2 hrs long with half of that being story Even the nip VR porn burns my eyes with reading subs for 20 minutes

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 19:00:46 2019 No.5434663 I would guess it goes something like this. Good story>No story>>>Bad story.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 19:21:38 2019 No.5434703 Story is just an aspect of a games presentation.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 19:24:47 2019 No.5434709 >>5434663 Yes. >>5434663 Nah.

Anonymous Wed Mar 13 19:26:32 2019 No.5434713

Can none of you retards read? Nowhere does Carmack say there should be no story, he literally says a story is expected to be there. He also does not imply that porn movies don't or shouldn't have stories, because he's not talking about your modern BLACKED video that is just two people suddenly fucking.

Anonymous Wed Mar 13 19:47:28 2019 No.5434747

>>5430696
Gameplay is more important, but video games allow for more interactive storytelling compared to movies and books. Not taking advantage of that is kind of silly. I guess it makes sense for him to think that way because he's more interested in the technical side of things, but that's why he needed a partner who was more interested in the artistic side of it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 20:18:54 2019 No.5434792 File: 1.18 MB, 1057x652, uff.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] tfw: New porn is just proper acting in a good movie

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 20:21:17 2019 No.5434794 >>5430696 Because he assumes the only movie you can have is porn and the only game you can have is FPS. So it's less of triggering and more of blatant ignorance, while done by someone from the industry.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 21:30:15 2019 No.5434956 >>5434713 >he literally says a story is expected to be there. Yeah and he's wrong. Whatever.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 21:32:26 2019 No.5434960 >>5434713 p.s. blacked/tushy/vixen etc all have stories attached, usually narrated be the main female actress. As far as porn goes it's pretty story-heavy.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 22:02:42 2019 No.5435007 >>5434184 Lol no. That old porn you’re talking about is phoned-in plots that are mostly parodies. What I’m referring to are modern porn scenarios that are mostly niche, private sellers. The market now is amazing.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 01:32:40 2019 No.5435408 >>5434641 Learn Japanese

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 02:46:36 2019 No.5435542 >>5432598 that's going to be a yikes from me dawg

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 02:48:35 2019 No.5435545 >>5433158 I think I've seen you before... Are you... Von Ribbentrop?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 03:17:32 2019 No.5435578 File: 1018 KB, 1080x793, Wumboyikes.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5432598

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 09:22:07 2019 No.5435906 >>5431804 Doom RPG is unironically better than Doom proper

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 09:51:26 2019 No.5435952 File: 156 KB, 640x480, 6834096696_aa06da36e0_z.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5435906 DoomRL is better than both. DoomRL is pretty fucking awesome.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 14:25:56 2019 No.5436432 >>5434596 Nerd!

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 22:48:33 2019 No.5437593 >>5435952 This. If you wanted to play "half realtime" RPGs, play Chocobo Dungeon instead.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 22:51:48 2019 No.5437596 >>5432874 >>5432874 >Macfag Gross desu. Also SOTS is just fanservice for 90s animes.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 22:57:41 2019 No.5437616 >>5435952 DoomRL yeah, how is that so good? but it is

Anonymous Thu Mar 14 23:03:43 2019 No.5437625
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>>5431898
And Carmack was nothing but a graphics whore. As interesting and unique as Doom 3 was, the engine is what was really impressive about it. It still looks good even today.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 23:08:21 2019 No.5437641 >>5437625 Yup and ID had a neato physics engine that they made themselves and when Valve said that they should let the players toy with it; they were all nah that's too powerful they'd break the engine. que Source and Half Life 2

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 23:56:47 2019 No.5437760 >>5437593 Chocobo's dungeon is trash

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 20:01:29 2019 No.5439386 >>5437625 Gonna be honest here, after replaying Doom3 and ROE with the HD graphics pack I greatly desire more. Funny how that goes, when Doom3 came out everybody wanted Doom2 gameplay, then Doom4 came out and now people miss Doom3 gameplay.

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 20:10:24 2019 No.5439394

>>5430741
>Games with good gameplay but bad storytelling are forgotten faster than the opposite
I guess Pac-Man fever was nothing then, same with Donkey Kong. Have you heard of an excellent but forgotten game called Tetris?
>>5432254
>>5432393
Read Carmack's quote again. Mario doesn't have good "story telling". The story is just there so there is a reason for Mario to do the things he is doing. The princess is captured by King Koopa hence why he has to rush through all these levels with enemies.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 20:29:03 2019 No.5439429 >>5430696 Of course HE would say that, all his games are nothing more but running from point A to point B and opening a door or pushing a button. If Carmack had made Chrono Trigger it would have been 10 minutes long.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 20:31:24 2019 No.5439435 >>5439394 Their success is relative to the other games around it. The standard has improved since then. I can promise you that if the original Mario was released today (even with modern graphics) no one would play it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 20:46:43 2019 No.5439464 Definitely this. I don't play a video game for the story, I play it for exciting gameplay. The story is nice... I want the story to be there... but if I was looking for story over experience, I'd read a book or watch a movie.

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 20:50:40 2019 No.5439473

>>5439435
The standards of game mechanics and due to the technology that has gotten better along with it. That doesn't matter though, because those games will be remember for a long, long time, and they already have for well over two decades now. They aren't remembered for their story, but their gameplay during that time period and how they propelled video games forward.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 16 04:21:09 2019 No.5440159 >>5434325 Roglike graphics are not bad, they functional.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 16 04:51:44 2019 No.5440182 >>543083 You have rather female oriented tastes for how you like your porn.

Anonymous Sat Mar 16 06:25:47 2019 No.5440247

>>5430696
Well he's talking from the perspective of a FPS developer. And FPS hardy ever were anything more the glorified shooting galleries. This might be the most stale gaming genre to date. FPS are a fad that already overstayed it's welcome years before, just like the J'nR/Platformer fad on 8- and 16-bit machines that littered the gaming market on every single platform with games of that kind - or even worse were the mascot J'n'R's.

Anonymous Sat Mar 16 06:43:38 2019 No.5440264

>>5430696
Not really. Story adds context to gameplay and makes a good game more enjoyable because it gives the player something to think about afterwards. You can have an objectively perfect game without story, e.g Tetris, but those titles don't have any longevity beyond the initial experience of playing the game.

Story is important in porn for the same reason. You can have two people fucking in a sterile white room, but the setup of how a rugged plumber came to fuck a slutty house wife is much more alluring in the long run.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 16 09:23:30 2019 No.5440390 >>5440264 In my view if the gameplay is good enough that's all the player needs to think about.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 16 20:00:15 2019 No.5441705 File: 2.52 MB, 640x360, anal apocalpyse.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5439386 I always felt Doom 3 was a good change of pace, but still liked the first games' gameplay too. Not sure when or why everyone turned on it.

Anonymous Sat Mar 16 20:07:08 2019 No.5441732

>>5440264
>Story is important
>story
>important
Anon if I want to have a decent story I would rather read an actual book where an author usually cares enough about the quality of a story. Games are fine enough with basic stories and characters and so were they decades ago. Who cares about who's right or wrong, if there's some message behind it all or if there are 'tragic backstories' or nonsense like that, I just want to play the damn game and have fun with it. Even text adventures and RPGs are more interesting for the interactions than for actual plot and you won't change my opinion on it no matter how much people like you want to jerk off as pseudo-intellectuals (I bet you never actually read war and piece or Jason and the argonauts just to name some famous stories).

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 16 20:14:43 2019 No.5441759 Aren't Carmack and co. into D&D though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 16 20:23:16 2019 No.5441791 >>5440390 I can respect that. Personally I get more immersed if I have an entertaining story to chew on, but if you're a Hegre kind of person then that's okay too.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 16 22:35:17 2019 No.5442087 because the buildup/foreplay in porn is the best part. I usually stop watching after penetration

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 16 22:37:09 2019 No.5442093 >>5430864 >Seeing her enjoy herself is kind of satisfying on its own women don't really enjoy sex, in fact a lot of times its painful

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 17 13:03:23 2019 No.5443203 >>5442087 I hear that, I find the whole "well maybe I'll just take off my top then.." moment the best.

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