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What would you say is the best 3D platformer for the 5th generation of consoles?

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>> No.542227

No but i would say it aged very well.

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>> No.542246

>>542227
which one are you talking about?

>> No.542258

DK64 . it saddens me when people dismiss it as just a collectathon when it's sooo much more

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>>542195

>> No.542263

Spyro here, but there were so many good ones.

>> No.542269

>>542258

yes! it's an ultra mega collectathon

>> No.542280

>>542234

This

If we include multiplayer I'd say CBF

>> No.542329

>>542258
>implying that any 3D game(besides conker) is a collectathon if its made by rare

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Collectan and objective-based-an done right.

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anyone here have the spyro osts? they're a bitch to find and my discs are jacked.

>> No.542546

It's either Spyro 3, Banjo Tooie, DK64, or Ape Escape.
The Crash games are more 2D gameplay (toward/away from the screen or right/left) in a 3D environment than they are straight 3D platforming.

>> No.542572

Banjo Kazooie or SM64. Crash and Spyro are good, but don't compare.

>> No.542585

>>542572
As someone who said Spyro 3, both of the games you mentioned were really underwhelming to me, but it's clear we're dealing with opinions here.

>> No.542590

>>542585
Yeah I'm playing through Super Mario 64 right now for the first time and all I can think of is how much I want to play Spyro 3 or Ape Escape.

>> No.542603

>>542195
Tossup between Crash and Mario 64.

>> No.542612

>>542590
the platforming on sm 64 is far better than in ape escape, spyro 3 I couldn't play it past the skateboarding minigame, it wasn't even spyro anymore.

>> No.542626

>>542612
Well, what part of "minigame" is hard to understand? And i'll heartily disagree with the first point too, Mario is more slippery than a buttered tuna in SM64. Yep, pro players can do insane acrobatics and wonderful speedruns. I'm not a pro player, and to me Mario is an overractive-yet-clunky character hell bent on defying the laws of friction and inertia.

>> No.542629

>>542612
It wasn't even Spyro as in it didn't feel like the last games? That seems like a silly reason to stop playing considering there were only two previous games and Spyro 2 had a fair amount of changes made in between it and the first Spyro as well.

>> No.542643

>>542626
Yeah, Mario does feel a little bit too slippery in 64. But it's still a better platformer in terms of control scheme and depth of platforming compared to Ape Escape. I shouldn't have mentioned Ape Escape actually, I just wanted to play it because SM64 isn't grabbing me and I wanted some familiarity. I don't think it's a better platformer than SM64

>> No.542653

>>542195
pic unrelated.

>> No.542663

Mario 64 easily

>> No.542672

>>542626
stupid complain, once you get the hang of it, you can master every game through muscle memory alone. Too bad you put two hours in it.

>>542629
Thank God it died, the next would've probably been something like spyro party, I don't need that shit in my games. unless I'm expressely looking for it.
At least crash 3 became gimmicky a bit later and was unbearable only at the end.

>> No.542673

>>542643
SM64 does have neat levels and a good overall premise, i won't ever deny that, but the "vessel" you explore those worlds in is... bad.

>> No.542692

>>542672
Is it really my fault i don't want to master a game i didn't enjoy?

>> No.542703

>>542672
I completely disagree with your assessment of 3 being the cut-off point though. It wasn't until the PS2 Spyro games that Insomniac handed the series over to a different developer. The first three are extremely good games.

>> No.542705

>>542673
I've never experienced anything "bad" with the mechanics of Mario.

The only time something "bad" has occurred is something out of my control -- like hitting a wall, bouncing back, and falling off a platform.

>> No.542706

Rayman 2: The Great Escape

is my favorite

>> No.542716

>>542692
yes, don't talk shit about the controls if you know you can do amazing things with them and aren't particularly delayed.

>>542703
I wasn't even considering those.

>> No.542725

>>542716
If your controls need "mastering" to be any sort of efficient, you don't have good controls.

>> No.542734

>>542716
Spyro 3 isn't gimmicky at all, the mini-games and different characters aren't hamfisted and are well done. You might think so but I just have to disagree. Different strokes for different folks I guess.

>> No.542747

>>542725
I disagree, the player should work on the game while the game shouldn't be the bitch of the player.

>> No.542808

>>542747
You get learning curves, and you get learning cliffs.

>> No.542814

God tier:
Spyro 2
Crash Bandicoot 2
Ape Escape
Rayman 2

Great tier:
Crash Bandicoot
Crash 3
Super Mario 64
Conker's Bad Fur Day
Spyro
Spyro 3
Medievil
Medievil 2

Okay tier:
Banjo Tooie
Gex 2
Croc
Tai Fu: Wrath of the Tiger
Gex 3/64

Meh tier:
Croc 2
Banjo & Kazooie
A Bug's Life
Bomberman Hero
Space Station Silicon Valley
The Adventures of Lomax
Chameleon Twist

Low tier:
Bubsy 3D
Donkey Kong 64
Castlevania: Legacy of Darkness
Earthworm Jim 64
Jersey Devil

Shit tier:
Blasto

Irredeemable shit tier:
Superman 64

>> No.542831

>>542814
>Bubsy
>anywhere above irredeemable shit

>> No.542849

>>542195
People always name things like Banjo, Spyro and Mario, but those are just cutsey adventure games. You run around and collect things, but they aren't skill based, and there's often no platforms or pitfalls to jump over. They have more in common with Tony Hawk's Pro Skater than they do with things like Super Mario Brothers.

That said, I'd say that Crach Bandicoot 2 is the best 3D platformer of it's generation. It hit all the right notes, and was an actual platformer, unlike it's competition. And in my opinion, it competes with the best the SNES had to offer (the NES has it beat with games like SMB3 though).

But that's not a popular opinion, so no one will agree.

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>>542814
>Rayman 2
>God tier
Holy fuck, yes!

>> No.542869

>>542831
Bubsy is at least playable.

>> No.542884

>>542808
You really think sm64 has such cryptic,unresponsive controls?
Sounds like you're trying to troll honestly.
Besides, even if it was such an impossible task to play as Mario you still can't say they're shit if you acknowledge you can do great things with them. The world doesn't spin around you.

>> No.542896

>>542869
Uhhhhhh
No the fuck it isn't

>> No.542903

>>542896
Yes it is, ask ulillilia.

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Is there even a question?

>> No.542914

>>542903
It's literally unplayable. You can't even walk in a fucking straight line.

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>>542814
I was getting ready to get all bitchy with this, but this power chart is pretty damn accurate, give or take a few titles.

>> No.542918

>>542908
>playing the shitty port with the shittiest controls

>> No.542920
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>Platformer
>5th gen
>3D
>good
>implying

>> No.542927

>>542207
>>542217
These.

>> No.542930

>>542918
I bet you are the same troll that says that N64 was a bad console once a day

>> No.542937

>>542930
>implying only one person holds this fairly common and somwhat reasonable opinion

>> No.542942

Blasto shit tier?.. Jersey devil low tier??? A bugs life meh tier!!!?? I play that shit to the day, fuck your list

>> No.542943

>>542849
Yeah, you're such a black sheep among black sheeps oh god aren't you special?
Too bad crash isn't 3D (looking forward to your shitty uneducated response here) and saying that spyro and mario aren't skill based AND aren't platformers just shows how ignorant you are.
Play more games and shut the fuck up.

>> No.542950

>>542937
ok, maybe 2 or 3 then... also you are trying way too hard, most people don't even fucking care

>> No.542951

>>542937
>>542918
The VO on PS is the worst thing in the world. The gibberish they speak in the N64 version is wondrous to behold. Also, the controls can be argued based on your system of preference.

>> No.542957

>>542942
I own all 3 and the list is about right.
Glad 2 of the 3 are pirate copies or I'd have some major remorse. Blasto in particular is pretty bad.

>> No.542959 [DELETED] 

>>542943
>responding to obvious trolls
why.jpg

>> No.542967

>>542951
PC version is the best.
PS version has the best controls.
N64 version is a mishmash of the two.
This isn't even up for discussion.

>> No.542978

>>542943
>crash bandicoot 2
>not 3D
the guy you are responding to is obviously trolling... but wtf are you on about?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va9D9ahF3DI

>> No.542983

>>542967
I thought the Dreamcast version was considered the best?

>> No.542984

>>542967
>my opinion is fact
also, I'm going to say it again, you are trying way too hard

>> No.542982

>>542943
Not the guy you're arguing with but
>crash isn't 3D
I'll assume you got stuck in a basement for a week, spent all of it "meditating" and came up with some interesting mumbo jumbo life revelations, please enlighten me on it.

>> No.542992

>>542983
to be exact, the PS2 version is pretty fucking good too, but thats not /vr/

>> No.542997

>>542920
That pic look familiar. where is that from

>> No.543001

>>542967
>doesn't mention the definitive Dreamcast version

>> No.543003

>>542982
Sounds like you're trying to project your life into others. What's up, too lazy to finish your 10 minutes guided lesson?

>> No.543005

>>542992
>dreamcast
>not /vr/
plz go

>> No.543006

Tomba! 2

>> No.543030

>>543003
Que?

>> No.543019

>>543006
great game. but I'm not quite sure you understand what a 3d platformer is

>> No.543020

>>542997
it's 2 coincidentally matching pics that I saw on the front page of this very site one day and screen capped...

>> No.543025

>>542992
>ps2
Goddammit, i grew up believing rayman 2 was a ps1 exclusive, then i learned years ago that it was on n64 and pc, and then this thread...
this is how it must feel to have a gf and then realize everyone fucked her on every hole before you ever touched her.

>> No.543037

>>543005
Nah. The PS2 isnt. And that is just technically. I talk about DC all the time, but I get yelled at every time I mention the PS2

>> No.543038

>>543019
nobody in this thread does.

>> No.543036

>>543025
you are pathetic... why does it matter?

>> No.543054

>>543019
Yeah, i see your point wasn't really thinking.

>> No.543061

>>543020
oh, i thought i recognized that pic from /fit/, my bad

>> No.543063

Conker's Bad Fur Day is the best game of the platforming genre (arguably of all time), but it isn't the best platformer, if that makes any sense.

>> No.543069

>>543005
Dreamcast is 6th gen.
Read the fucking sticky, Dreamcast isn't /vr/

>> No.543083

>>543069
The DC is pre-1999 so it falls under retro. That one is kinda foggy. I say 2 gens out should be retro, but I will follow the rules as long as they are there...

>> No.543090

>>543083
The sticky specifically states that everything after 5th gen isn't retro.
DC isn't retro.

>> No.543102

>>543090
I can deal with that. I would like to sometimes talk about DC though, because it missed 4/5 of the 6th gen.

>> No.543103

>>543069
I don't know why people want it to be retro at all costs, I guess nobody sane wants to post on /v/.

>> No.543115

>>543090
Dreamcast shares big part of its library with the 5th gen, was released in '99, has fantastic discussions here and a DC thread would never live on /v/. Not like any of us bother going there anymore.

>> No.543130

>>543115
I haven't been back to /v/ since day one of /vr/ that place is a shit hole. If I don't get to talk about DC or PS2, so be it. I am never going back.

>> No.543150

>DC
>Released in the time period that the sticky specifies as retro for games
>A single console with a limited number of releases
>Rarely gets attention on the other boards comparatively
>Getting upset that it's posted here
You people are like /co/ who freaks out about ponies being posted, only worse.

>> No.543159

>>543150
The reasons to have zero tolerance towards ponies are more valid tho.

>> No.543164

>>542920
>you
>in /vr/
>not /v/

>>>>/v/

>> No.543156

>>543130
PS2 is indubitably not retro, though, and PS2 threads on /v/ can still float. The DC is a whole different beast.

>> No.543173

>>543150
the said part is that those /co/ people that freaked out about ponies also resulted in it being banned from every board... this does not fare well for the dreamcast

>> No.543182

>>543156
I know. Too bad the rule is "1999 and before" rather than "2 gens old" PS2 will be retro one day, yet the current rules don't allow for discussion of it ever.

>> No.543192

>>543182
>rules can never change

are you on drugs?

>> No.543186

>>543159
>>>/b/
>>>/co/
who gives a fuck about ponies?
blind hatred is dumb, no matter what it's about

>> No.543202

>>543186
That.

>> No.543217

>>543186
Nice suggestions there pal, i have one for you
>>>/r9k/

>> No.543219

>>543192
I was saying they should change. Not that they cant. Under the current rules we cant discuss the god-tier PS2, golden god of consoles.

>> No.543242

>>543217
lolwut
that doesn't even make sense

>> No.543239

>>543219
>the god-tier PS2, golden god of consoles.
ok, now you are just trolling...

>> No.543248

>>543239
No I'm not. It is definitely up there, and a lot of people back that statement up. Just because it isn't /vr/ doesn't mean it isn't one of the best of all time.

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>>543219
I don't disagree, but it's not fucking retro, no matter which way you look at it. A console that can produce these kinds of graphics can't really be considered retro, no matter how equatorian wide your standards are.

>> No.543262

>>543242
>lolwut
And YOU're asking me to go to /b/?
Also, wasn't this thread about 3d platformers or something? i mean, before you started with your DC whining...

>> No.543269

>>543250
I'm not saying it should be discussed at the time being, but maybe in a year or 3. Maybe after the 8th gen consoles are out and established, we should pull the PS2 out for discussion. Gamecube too. I guess the Xbox.

>> No.543279

>>543262
>before you started with your DC whining...
wtf are you even talking about, all I said is that ponies is not relevant to this board and that blind hatred is dumb

>> No.543292

So uh... Rayman 2 was the best right guys?

>> No.543305

>>543292
I liked spyro 2 more but yeah, rayman 2 was awesome, i couldn't finish it for some reason.

>> No.543317

>>543269
urrm wow... I don't think I have anything else to say here... you have contradicted yourself so many fucking times... god

>> No.543321

Sixth generation and later consoles are not considered retro. Sixth generation and later consoles are not considered retro. Sixth generation and later consoles are not considered retro. Sixth generation and later consoles are not considered retro. Sixth generation and later consoles are not considered retro. Sixth generation and later consoles are not considered retro. Sixth generation and later consoles are not considered retro. Sixth generation and later consoles are not considered retro. Sixth generation and later consoles are not considered retro.

>> No.543343

>>543305
I liked the robot space pirate theme, and the music was fucking great. I like how dark and angular it is, it makes you feel like the low poly count belongs in the game, and was intentional rather than being a restriction. Spyro had this a bit too with it's design, but I think Rayman pulled it off better.

>> No.543345

>>542195
oh shit crash bandicoot.

bringing back them memories.

and they're not all good. fuck you crash bandicoot.

>> No.543341

>>543321
Yeah man, spyro was cool

>> No.543350

>>543321
>Mental illness.

>> No.543385

>>543350
>pointless response to an obvious troll

you are no better

>> No.543387

>>543345
>>543345
I have an Xperia Play, and Crash is pre installed, and I can never uninstall it. Fuck you, Sony. I am out of internal storage.

>> No.543397

>>543387
fuck off with your 6th and current gen shit

>> No.543408

>>543397
>Crash
>6th gen

>> No.543417

>>543408
>Xperia Play

>> No.543414

>>543408
I guess it was ahead of its time?

>> No.543428

>>543417
>Xperia Play
>any gen
Its a fucking phone.

>> No.543440

>>542814
>Rayman 2
We should have sex

>> No.543449

>>543428
it's primarily a gaming device, and it was made in 2011

>> No.543447

>>542207
This
Honorable mention goes to Banjo-Tooie. Points only get taken off for it being too massive and a bit too much backtracking.

>> No.543459

>>543385
It's not trolling.
It's the fucking Board rules
it says clearly
Sixth generation and later consoles are not considered retro.

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I wonder, do the looney tunes games count as platformers?
At least this one?
I still gotta replay it after more than 10 years to see if the nostalgia holds up

>> No.543468

>there will never be Rayman 2 2
No Rayman 3 wasn't quite the same

>> No.543469

>>543459
umm... ok... and what is your point?

>> No.543472

>>543449
>Primarily a gaming device
Tell that to Sony. It is just a phone.

But anyways, Crash was never my thing. I didn't like how on rails it felt sometimes. My favorite platformer of the 5th gen has to be Rayman 2. Though, I very much enjoyed SM64 and Banjo Kazooie. I played the shit out of DK64 and loved it. But I can see how people would not like it. It is a bit repetitive, and has way too many collectibles.

>> No.543495

>>543472
>tell that to sony
>Incredible gaming and a full featured smartphone
I'm pretty sure they already know

>> No.543516

>>543476
I remember loving the shit out of Sheep Raider, but I don't think that remember that being a platformer either...

>> No.543529

>>543495
Well they don't support it any longer, and it was never meant to be a "primary gaming device" like the Vita or PSP Go. It is a phone for people who play games, it has lotsopower, but it is a phone. Lets drop that now and talk about 5th gen 3D platformers instead of phones from 2011 that happen to have 5th gen platformers on them.

>> No.543540

>>543476
they count as platformers... sure... but they sure as hell don't count as good unless you are talking about sheep raider

>> No.543542

>>543516
Sheep raider is more of a puzzle adventure, i'm unsure about the bugs one.

>> No.543550

>>543542
I'd consider sheep raider a puzzle platformer really... if you think it's an adventure game you need to go back and find out what an adventure game is

>> No.543551

>>543476
It's a bretty good game, don't worry your memories.

>> No.543686

Crash 3 if you're looking for variety
Crash 2 if you're looking for polish
Crash 1 if you're hardcore

either way Crash has you covered.

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No one mentioned this? I'm disappointed.

>> No.545834

>>542814
Gex 2 and 3 above Banjo-Kazooie and Space Station Silicon Valley?
Dude, no.

Bubsy 3D above irredeemable shit tier? Have you played it?

Also, why no Rocket: Robot on Wheels, Jumping Flash! series, Chameleon Twist 2, Toy Story 2, or Glover?
Are you even trying?

And isn't The Adventures of Lomax a 2D platformer?

Everything else about this list is pretty surprisingly solid.

>> No.549224

>>542814
Klonoa and Sonic Adventure?

>> No.549237

>>544095
It's not like it's the best at anything.

>> No.549272

>>549237
Better than games like Spyro, Crash, or Ape Escape

>> No.549278

>>549272
Oh god no, all of those have better controls and more varied level design and mechanics.

>> No.549297

>>543248
>>543250
The PS2 was a system for the lowest common denominator (so was PS1, but not as much).
A LOT of casuals purchased a PS2 for the sole reason of it being a DVD player.

>> No.549338

>>549297
What does this have to do with anything? The Ps2 is a great system filled with great games but I do agree it doesn't belong on /vr/