Phantasy Star

[Anonymous No.5411560]

I want to talk about Phantasy Star games. PSIV might be the best jrpg I've ever played. I love this game so much. I feel like this series is rarely mentioned when discussing JRPG greats.

[Anonymous No.5411565]

>>5411560
I agree on PSIV, and the first game is easily one of if not the best 8bit jrpg as well. I really must get to 2 and 3.

[Anonymous No.5411567]

>>5411560
I always remember this being a good series as a kid, but when I went back to replay them I was surprised that really there's only one really actually good one.

[Anonymous No.5411574]

>>5411567
Which are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.5411579]

I'm a huge sega fan but I never played these games and mostly stick to the typical snes jrpg fare. How do these compare?

[Anonymous No.5411581]

Recently bought the Sega Age version of the first game on Switch and planning to give it a play soon.
I LOVED IV back in the time and been planning to play all the first, second and fourth games again (fuck the third, don't have fond memories of it)

[Anonymous No.5411589]

>>5411579
If you like SNES rpgs you owe it to yourself to at least play 4. You won't be disappointed.

[Anonymous No.5411601]

>>5411589
Cool, I will give it a shot this week.

[Anonymous No.5411602]

>>5411574
Clearly, I was trying to bait people into arguing. And didn't totally somehow forget to type IV.

[Anonymous No.5411604]

>>5411565
I started with 2 and fell in love with the style and gameplay loop (farm new area until you buy new gear so you can beat new dungeon). I was not a fan of the overly complex dungeons that requires the use of a map to navigate.

1 was a fantastic dungeon crawler that has a really enjoyable adventure that adds just enough variety. The mazes were just complex enough without overdoing it.

I've yet to play 3, that's on my to do list.

[Anonymous No.5411623]

>>5411579
This post probably makes no sense. I've already written this so I'm going to post it. I love my snes jrpgs and I think you're definitely missing out by not playing phantasy star. I recommend starting with 1 or 4.

This is going to be a odd comparison but I would say Phantasy Star 1 had a certain charm to it that is vaguely similiar to Earthbound in terms of the adventure, barring the humor and dialogue. I mean they're not really similiar in tone or style... but really not many games are like either Phantasy Star or Earthbound anyway. I guess what I'm saying is how I felt while I played EB is the same way I felt while I played Phantasy Star 1.

[Anonymous No.5411734]

>>5411560
Phantasy Star was my first RPG

[Anonymous No.5411747]

>>5411560
It certainly has style.

[Anonymous No.5411749]

>>5411560
Is IV a good entry point for someone new to the series? Asking for a friend.

[Anonymous No.5411770]

>>5411749
It’s pretty stand alone. It has a couple of nods to previous entries but can entirely be enjoyed without playing any prior. Speaking from experience

[Anonymous No.5411784]

>>5411749
no, its too good

[Anonymous No.5411808]

>>5411581
It's very good. I just beat it yesterday. Though you probably will need an over world map and a peek at a guide here and there. Some of the puzzles are very obscure and you'll struggle to remember the names of all the towns since the game doesn't remind you very often.
The Health Display, CRT Filter, and automap features are a godsend, as is the quick reference guide for all the items and spells.
It makes an older game nicely accessible.

[Anonymous No.5411812]

>>5411623
I would say PS1 is somewhere between Dragon Quest and Wizardry with a sci-fi fantasy flavour.

[Anonymous No.5411814]

>>5411560
PSIV should've had some actual atmosphere and story instead of all those shallow manga panels.

[Anonymous No.5411842]

>>5411814
Phantasy Star's got style, it doesn't need atmosphere

[Anonymous No.5411865]

Phantasy Star has a lot going for it in terms of setting and while the plots are bare bones there's quite a bit there that could be explored in more detail.

This is something that I feel about so many old RPGs, they suffer from hardware limitations and the cool settings and fun anachronism
doesn't get to shine as much. The Original quadrology would benefit so much from being re-explored in a new, less limited, game.

Also we need more Nei.

[Anonymous No.5411883]

>>5411865
>the plots are bare bones
To me this is a good thing. I've played a lot of RPGs that have too much exposition and setup. I find Phantasy Star's approach of "show, don't tell" refreshing and it gives me something to reflect on while I explore. I enjoy the mystery and imagining my own stories of the characters and the places we go instead of being told how to feel and what's going on.

[Anonymous No.5411995]

>>5411865
Rika was originally meant to be NeiThree, but the script writer was talked out of it. : (

I would bludgeon a baby to death with another baby it meant someone would romhack Nei in Rika's place.
Also, an ex of mine's screenname on AIM back in the day was Neifirst.

[Anonymous No.5412037]

Is PSI skippable? Sega put a collection on android for free but it's only II-IV.

[Anonymous No.5412060]

>>5412037
It's totally skippable, but it's also one of the only two good Phantasy Star games...

[Anonymous No.5412063]

>>5412037
I'd say it's worth a play. It's ancient and it's not balanced in any way, but it's really charming.

[Anonymous No.5412068]

>>5411995
What flashed in my mind when I was looking a for a Nei pic was that they could have the original Nei remade and in stasis, with the her central character conflict in the theoretical PS5 coming from separating herself from this pseudo legendary newman and her memories.

[Anonymous No.5412072]

>>5412060
If you don't like the series there's loads of other threads to spread your salt, faggot.

[Anonymous No.5412094]

>>5411560
One of my favorite games of all time.
>>5411749
I started with 4. It's kind of cool if you've played through the other games and understand all the references to previous games, but it's not necessary. The games are separated by thousands of years story-wise, so it works well on its own too. If you go back and play the older games you'll still have fun seeing everything that was referenced for yourself.

[Anonymous No.5412102]

>>5412037
I preferred 1 over 2 by a little bit.

[Anonymous No.5412241]

>>5412072
>is going to defend PS2&3
yikes

[Anonymous No.5412269]

>>5411749
I played them completely out of order. I got SMS near the tail end of its North American lifespan when a local department store was going out of business and everything was marked a kajillion percent off. Got a Lynx that day, too.
Anyway, PS1 was the first I played back then. When my brother bought a Genesis from a classmate of his, it came with a few games, PS3 being one of them, so that was my second game. Then PS2 and, finally, PS4 on its release day.

I can tell you that the only one that's best not to play until you've played the one before it is PS2 and that's only because PS2 is a direct sequel building on the first game from the beginning. While PS3 does the same, it's more of a sidestory than a main series game. Think of it as a spin off.
PS4 is fine on its own, but if you play it last, you'll enjoy it more. In fact, you can even skip PS3 cuz the one reference to it in PS4 also exists in PS2.

>>5412068
The original box for PS4 had something on it that said something like 'the final chapter in the series!!!' or 'the series dramatic conclusion!!!' or something like that. I liked the way it ended and was supremely pissed off at Sega for making PSO cuz I paid $100something of my own dollaridoos to buy it to see said 'dramatic conclusion.' To a kid in the 90s, $100 is a lot of dosh to shell out for a game and PSO's release made that 'dramatic conclusion' claim seem like a lie. : (
To get to the meat of your post rather than simply latching on to mentions of PS5, it woulda been cool if the guy's original idea of a Rika/Nei and Chaz love story were done. Better yet if, as you suggest, Nei has her memories of her prior incarnations and remember her love for Rolf, which causes a feelling of guilt for loving Chaz.

[Anonymous No.5412294]

>>5412269
It was called “the end of the millennium” and indeed was the end of it all at the time. To avoid spoilers about the game I won’t say any more

[Anonymous No.5412320]

I just got into the main series today. I'm playing the first game and just got Odin and the compass!

[Anonymous No.5412327]

>>5412320
Enjoy

[Anonymous No.5412346]

>>5412294
Yes, it was called that (even in game, IIRC) but the box absolutely had something like "the dramatic conclusion!!!!!!!!!!!" written on it.

[Anonymous No.5412368]

>>5412346
Or 'explosive finale.' same idea. I think the back of the box even said something like 'final chapter in the saga!' or something.

[Anonymous No.5412380]

>>5412368
>>5412346
or something like that. See?
Then Sega continues it? Fuck.

[Anonymous No.5412385]

>>5411560
I love Phantasy Star, but I really don't know why everyone thinks IV is so special. It's a very linear RPG with none of the challenge or research management of the previous games and none of the exploration of 1. To me PS1 is the perfect RPG, one of the greatest games ever made, IV is nice fun game with a nice aesthetic, it's a nice playthrough but it doesn't do anything all too great.

[Anonymous No.5412389]

>>5412385
>research management
resource management, as in being deep in dungeons far from a save point and having to manage your health / mp / etc.

[Anonymous No.5412407]

>>5412385
You may be romanticising PS1. It's just as linear, really. Both are good, tho.

[Anonymous No.5412580]

>>5411567
Yes, and it's the first one.

[Anonymous No.5413816]

>>5412380
Modern Phantasy Star is PS in name only. Unfortunately, the zoomers think modern PS is good, but PSO and PSO2 are just awful grinding hallway runners.

[Anonymous No.5413861]

>>5412385
>gfx/color
>music
>gameplay
The story's rather shit but I don't really replay retro games for the story...

[Anonymous No.5413876]

I like PSIV more than any SNES JRPG.

[Anonymous No.5413906]

>>5413876
This, except switch the letters "JRPG" with the word "game".

[Anonymous No.5413931]

>>5413906
Axelay shits all over your jarpigs.

[Anonymous No.5414820]

>>5412320
>Odin
You're playing the 1987 translation, I see. You have my condolences.

[Anonymous No.5414856]

I love that in the new games Phantasy star's Guhral system has a hilariously inappropriate racial allegory.

Neudaiz is Japan. A closed off Shinto planet of island chains with a smart population that is more "evolved."

Parum is America. Gun toting pioneers in the wild outdoors who replaced themselves with machines. Frequently seen as rude.

Moatube is full of desert and animals. Some consider their inhabitants sub-human and they are known to be dumb, violent and corrupt. Obviously Africa/ME.

The colony is probably just Eurasia.

[Anonymous No.5415257]

>>5411814
Agreed. Only reason I can see IV being recommended so heavily, even some saying it's the only good one, is because it looks the least dated and most like a standard 16 bit rpg. The first 3 games were late 80s with III being out in -1990-. They could stand up next to their console rpg contemporaries and I was personally impressed playing through them. Phantasy Star IV however I was not, and it came out around 3 years after PSIII, and more tragically in the USA it didn't come out in flipping 1995, and if music and graphics are what it has going for it, I feel sorry. It's the prettiest girl in the room, that room being the mentally challenged class room, while FF6 and Chrono trigger walked the halls in their yoga pants w/ heaving breasts and no bra on.

>>5412037
You're a lazy motherfucker if you can't play PSI for free on an android.

[Anonymous No.5415357]

>>5415257
The Phantasy Star series in its entirety was probably done for 1/2 of the budget of Chrono Trigger.

[Anonymous No.5415502]

Beat II recently, having beaten IV before and doing I til that ridiculously oversized final dungeon. I had more to it, and the planetary travel was great, as well as the budget spent on dungeon/battle animation.

II is an incredibly early MD game and it shows, but I like the combat options - go for two weapons so you can attack twice, or go with a shield for more defense. Kinda fun there's a character you just use to steal from shops and not as much battle, though I hear Shir isn't too bad. Was too busy with Anna and her delicious slicers. Amy you're gonna want, and Rudo/Kain are a matter of wanting a tank or a useful tech fighter. Though Amy and Kain were on free Gizan support when they got Storm Gears and Wind Robes. The dungeons are hellish, you're gonna want a guide/map, but I found myself finding my way around areas you had to go back to a few times. It's mainly their reliance on staircases and there being like 5+ a floor may or may not lead to total dead ends. Good ending though, interesting to see than Earth had a place in PS canon before PSO2's ridiculous way of using it.

The II text adventures are fun stuff. Only did Rolf and Nei's so far, I should do the rest as most of the party just turns up at your house all 'hey bud, heard you were investigating monsters, I wanna do that too' without backstory. Nei and Neifirst were a big mystery of II so finding out a bit more about Nei's creation was interesting.

[Anonymous No.5415506]

IV may very well be my favorite game of all time. I honestly lost count of how many times I beat it. Kyra is cute and needs more art.

[Anonymous No.5415520]

I think I played PSIII once, well after it came out on my Genesis. Mostly because I had a bunch of Genesis games my sister got after breaking up with a boyfriend--ended up giving all the Genesis stuff back to her, and I think she did nothing with them.

Anyways, I wouldn't play the game after starting it for long at first because the battle system felt weird to me, there was a wind up key animation when you made an action, but I eventually sat down and pushed through that. You ended up making marriage choices and then playing as the descendants; that was neat, but I wonder if the choices mattered at all. Then the end game felt very bare bones. I think the villages could have been fleshed out more, but still neat concept overall. Maybe PSIV is legit good and I'll try it one day.

[Anonymous No.5416713]

Every time I see a Phantasy Star thread on /vr/ I drop in to shill for Phantasy Star III. Yes, it has terrible monster sprites (though at least they're original - you get attacked by literal traffic lights at one point). Yes, the world maps feel empty and unfinished. Yes, it's linear (except when you choose your waifu and the storyline branches). But the storyline and music are fantastic. You have to remember the Phantasy Star games are genuinely part of a series that charts the tragic history of an entire solar system, and PS3 is an important part of that.

Oh yeah, the MUSIC IS EPIC https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l5QyMnEoF0g

[Anonymous No.5416729]

I did a full playthrough of the Switch port of Phantasy Star when it came out, and liked it a lot. I tried playing the original years ago, but got frustrated due to the combination of not having maps and the game being super vague as to what you're actually supposed to be doing. I know some people will shitpost, but the automapping really made the game more enjoyable. I'm thinking of playing the PS2 remake of the second game sometime soon.

[Anonymous No.5416758]

I have the one on the Sega Smash Pack on the Dreamcast but man I just cant stand that d pad on the controller. There has to be something better out there right?

[Anonymous No.5417953]

>>5416729
>I'm thinking of playing the PS2 remake
Don't.

[Anonymous No.5419481]

>>5417953
What's bad about it?

[Anonymous No.5419532]

>>5416758
get an adapter to use a playstation or Saturn pad on the DC

[Anonymous No.5419553]

>>5414856

>replacing dezolis with japan as a planet that has elves that are the most evolved and smartest out of all the races
>sad_raja.png

[Anonymous No.5419654]

>>5416713
It's such a thoroughly mediocre game, but the generations system, setting, and tech mechanics are so unique. It's weirdly captivating.

[Anonymous No.5420047]

>>5419481
What isn't? Even if you are willing to accept the drastically altered gameplay with no respect for the original game the hideous art and music styles should be enough of a warning sign. I don't know how anyone could look at that shite and think 'yes, I should play this over the original.'.

[Anonymous No.5420174]

>>5411560
i have PSIV on steam, started playing but stopped because i didn't feel like grinding, maybe i should resume playing it again

[Anonymous No.5420181]

>>5420174
>grinding
>PS4
Pick one. You MIGHT decide to grind near the beginning with the first Guild quest(kill the sandworms), but after that, you needn't grind at all(doing the sidequests as they come up is wise, but I hardly consider it grinding).
That's assuming you don't powerlevel Rune at your first opportunity too...if you do that, then the rest of the game is laughable.

[Anonymous No.5420291]

>>5420181
>You MIGHT decide to grind near the beginning with the first Guild quest(kill the sandworms)
The logical thing to do would be just do it later when you'll naturally be stronger, grinding is never nessecary.

[Anonymous No.5420309]

>>5420174
>grinding
It's one of the easiest RPGs ever made

[Anonymous No.5421526]

>>5420181
>>5420309
word maybe i'll give it another go than... i tend to like to be a way higher level than necessary while playing RPGs in order to absolutely squash my enemies
i'm pretty early in and the difficultly seemed to ramp up after i got gryz

[Anonymous No.5421557]

>>5421526
The secret is using buffs and debuffs. As a kid I never used those spells and some boss fights were really tough. Replaying it now I realize how useful they are. If you take advantage of them you'll never need to grind.

[Anonymous No.5421738]

>>5421557
how many hours is the game? might play it this weekend

[Anonymous No.5422518]

>>5420291
The equally logical thing to do is exactly what I said, when that XP actually means something. But again, it's not necessary.

[Anonymous No.5422538]

>>5421526
Don't listen to >>5421557...he means well, but the REAL trick is party order. When you get an android, put them in the front; they auto-regen hitpoints. Also, Rune can be put in front if you buff him up with two shields.
As for battles, just make sure you do all the sidequests as you find them(they actually tie into the story in their own minimal way), and keep upgrading your stuff.
One tip: when you find a boss 'group', DO NOT, for the love of God, hit them with AoE spells.

>>5421738
I could be remembering a farming run, but I think it's about 30 hours, no more....

[Anonymous No.5422618]

>>5422518
>The equally logical thing to do is exactly what I said,
To grind? I don't think that's a sane choice at all. Fine way to ruin the fun of the game, when you could just come back two dungeons later and be tuff e nuff without making the main game an absolute joke for yourself.

[Anonymous No.5422624]

>>5422518
>>5422538
thanks for the tips guys! i have nothing else to do this weekend and am borderline broke and could use an escape, so i'll probably play the game all weekend haha

[Anonymous No.5422734]

word, i didn't have to grind at all!

[Anonymous No.5422904]

>>5411883
>plot

I was recently playing PS III and I gotta say that Rhys being thrown into the dungeon by his own father is just absolute bullshit. Unless that guy is some Layan spy in disguise it doesn't make any fucking sense. Who the fuck needs to """"CoOL oFf"""" if your waifu gets kidnapped by a winged demon? What a douche that king is.

[Anonymous No.5423121]

>>5422618
>gaining a few levels to avoid the possibility of getting ass-blasted
>ruining the fun
Oh anon, you so crazy...if I want to help people ruin the fun of the game, I'll tell them ALL about powerleveling Rune. Gaining a few levels so Rika gets Deban before heading into Zio's territory is NOT ruining the game in the least. Now, let the adults talk.

>>5422624
Have fun! Challenge for you: save near the end(you'll know when it happens), and try beating the last area/boss with just four guys.

[Anonymous No.5423128]

>>5422904
That DID strike me as weird, but also consider that Rhys' first thought was to take the army out and 'destroy Laya's clan', when there isn't a single Layan in all of Landen. He had a right to be angry, but that was over the line...the king had a right to effectively 'send Rhys to his room'.

[Anonymous No.5423561]

>>5423128
In addition, Rhys/Kein is abandoning an arranged marriage to a nearby kingdom's princess to marry this new girl so yeah I think his father's actions are justified.

[Anonymous No.5423641]

>>5416713
It's a terrible game but holds a special spot for me. I feel like it's the one game in the series that had some cool concepts but was really in need of a proper remake/fleshing out of the story/world setting, and never got it because the sega ages series got canned before it got made. I'd put my PS series ranking as 4 > 3 > 1 > 2 as 2 is quite overrated.

[Anonymous No.5423764]

>>5420047
I don't know what they changed about the gameplay that's why I asked. I love the first Phantasy Star though and I think the graphics at least of the remake look awesome. What gameplay changes did they make?

[Anonymous No.5424040]

>>5422538
These are good tips. The two shield thing is something a lot of people would think of doing, but it works great. Also, I mentioned "buffs and debuffs," but I don't remember using debuffs much actually so I should have just said "buffs". Particularly the speed and defense buffs. Also, instant death moves are surprisingly useful for random battles, they'll hit much more often than in most RPGs.

[Anonymous No.5424052]

>>5422538
These are good tips. The two shield thing is something a lot of people wouldn't think of doing, but it works great. Also, I mentioned "buffs and debuffs," but I don't remember using debuffs much actually so I should have just said "buffs". Particularly the speed and defense buffs. Also, instant death moves are surprisingly useful for random battles, they'll hit much more often than in most RPGs.

[Anonymous No.5424059]

>>5424052

Rune with two shields is the only way to go. Best buffs are Shift, Saner, Deban, and Barrier. Raja is also insanely overpowered when he levels up.

PSIV is the greatest game ever

[Anonymous No.5424061]

Are there other science fantasy RPGs of similar vein?

[Anonymous No.5424081]

>>5424059
Yeah, I just meant a lot of people wouldn't realize that using two shield with no weapon is the smart way to go. It's definitely the best option for Rune.

[Anonymous No.5424152]

>>5423641
I am firmly of the belief that good games don't need remakes but games like PS3, which had good but poorly fleshed out ideas, definitely do. When will such a thing be done?
Maybe someone should hack PS4 to re-do PS3. I'd love for techniques other than Res/Gires and Anti to actually be useful.

[Anonymous No.5424173]

>>5424152
I wish PS3 would get a remake. Lots of cool ideas in 3 and I love the setting, but the execution wasn't great.

[Anonymous No.5424187]

>>5411567
you're wrong

1 and 4 are good. 2 and 3 were rushed as fuck.

[Anonymous No.5424192]

>>5424173
let's get together and go bowling and remake PS3. Just you, me and Dupree.

[Anonymous No.5424203]

>>5424061
lagrange point on the nes seems like it was directly trying to compete with PS1

[Anonymous No.5425259]

>>5423121
>Now, let the adults talk.
Oh, get bent m8. Nothing immature about wondering why someone would want to spend time doing a repeatative task just hop onto the speedy easymode track to get make that time back instead of just preserving the normal pace and flow of the game.

[Anonymous No.5425951]

>you don't need to grind

Yeah, that's bullshit. I'm sure all of you saying that played with savestates.

[Anonymous No.5425964]

>>5416713
I like Phantasy Star III but man is it a mess. Poor monster animations, empty houses with maybe only a chair and a bed in some of them, loads of empty maps. But cool music (that intro and final boss theme was great), interesting generation system and different endings depending on who you married (I ended the game for the first time with the blonde twins), and despite the poor monster animations, I really appreciated how quickly the enemies were defeated, and the game itself is very easy compared to 1 & 2.

It's not a good game but I appreciate it despite its flaws and I get nostalgic for another run sometimes.

[Anonymous No.5426415]

>>5425951
If that's the place that gave you trouble anon, then you only have yourself to blame. I'll grant that it's a nasty surprise to have your gut reaction countered like that, but it should have given you an idea on what NOT to do, hm? Or can you not comprehend doing something beyond 'press butan to win'?

>>5425259
Triggered much? Again, that's not giving you a speedy easymode(that's for when you powerlevel Rune). Getting Deban at that point(as opposed to later) does nothing for 'getting your time back', nor does it disrupt the flow of the game. I wonder if you even comprehend your own point.

[Anonymous No.5426741]

>>5425951
Not him but I regard this game as having perfect difficulty for an rpg. By just exploring areas fully and doing the quests available but never stopping to grind my characters were always just barely able to beat each boss as they came but it was a test of resources. Only a handful of games are balanced that well I've found. Lunar 2 SCD was another.

[Anonymous No.5428109]

>>5414820
t. never played the game on an actual console

no western release had the actual translation, so people who played it for real and aren't weebs no the characters as Alis, Myau, Odin and Noah. Lassic is the big bad.

[Anonymous No.5428420]

>>5412385
>PS1
>Babby's first Wizardry clone
>PS4
>SEGAbabby's copout for not having FF, as if they were missing anything in the first place
I genuinely cannot fathom why anyone would think any Phantasy Star before PSO was worth your time.
Ironically, PS3 while being the most flawed entry was also the one that tried to actually do something interesting with its generational gameplay, which is something that is actually very rare in the genre, but all the rest? Mediocrity, hidden by nice art direction and graphics but still mediocrity.

[Anonymous No.5428792]

>>5428420
>PS1
>Babby's first Wizardry clone

I don't think you've played either Wizardry or PS1

>PS4
>SEGAbabby's copout for not having FF, as if they were missing anything in the first place

Also what's with this notion that everyone were console fanboys? Especially now...

[Anonymous No.5429554]

>>5411560
II is a grindfest, though the setting and characters are cool
III sounds and looks like ass
IV is good

[Anonymous No.5429890]

>>5428109
>t. never played the game on an actual console
>what are flashcarts
Regardless, I did play the game back in the 90's with the shithouse translation (and shithouse music) which is exactly why I wouldn't wish that upon anyone now that we live in an age where we know better and have better options, you double poof.

[Anonymous No.5430073]

>>5429554
i thought III looked pretty good on thr graphical side, what's wrong with it? the battle music does suck but the rest is pretty good.

[Anonymous No.5430092]

I'm about a quarter of the way through PS3and after playing and falling in love with one and two, I can see why three is the black sheep of the Genesis games. I loved the idea of the algol star system and suddenly I'm playing Lufia. How many playthrohs of three do you have to do to experience everything the game has to offer?

[Anonymous No.5430103]

>>5416713
So I decided to try that retranslation on romhacking.net and so far the biggest changes is that Rhys is now Riik and that the escapipe is an Ocarina.

[Anonymous No.5430120]

F

[Anonymous No.5430362]

>>5411865
Dumb Nei I

[Anonymous No.5430607]

Anyone have info on what's bad about the PS1 remake? I already played the original which I like and think it looks cool. What did they fuck up?

[Anonymous No.5430727]

>>5412407
>It's just as linear, really
People have gone brain-dead when it comes to linearity. Both in terms of what it actually means and whether or not it's objectively bad, somehow. Ever since the open world/grass field simulator genre became a meme, "linearity" has just become a buzzword that people use when they're too impatient or feel a game isn't "respecting their time".

Linearity isn't a bad thing, and I honestly can't think of a time in my life when my complaint about a game has boiled down to "too linear", because usually before that becomes a problem, you run into something else, like "too much handholding" or "too repetitive", which are very much independent issues.

[Anonymous No.5430742]

>>5430727
I think it comes down to tastes. I enjoy an rpg game where there's freedom to explore at will and even sequence break things. But I can understand how some like a more linear directed experience.

[Anonymous No.5430964]

>>5411560
I'm pretty sure I beat the first Phantasy Star way back. Are the sequels good? How do they compare to other RPGs of that era (Final Fantasy/Dragon Quest)?

[Anonymous No.5431596]

>>5424192
I've coded some RPGs and technically speaking remaking PS3 would be relatively easy. Just time-consuming, definitely not hard.
If you use some engine like Unity or Godot it'd be almost trivial, as you already got the art assets and general design which is the hardest part. If you are willing to invest some time on it, it's all it's gonna take. Programming at that level doesn't require you to take courses or a degree, just needs the willpower to not stop.

[Anonymous No.5431608]

>>5430964
They're good, though PSIII is an acquired taste. PSIV is one of the best RPGs of that era in my opinion. PSII is cool if you like exploring big confusing dungeons (which I do), but I prefer PSI over it slightly. PSIII is a very unpolished game and doesn't feel much like the rest of the series, but it has some cool stuff like the story changing depending on who you choose to marry at different points (you continue playing as your child in the next generation).

[Anonymous No.5432504]

>>5431608
I heard from a thread on /v/ a couple of years ago that ikuto wasn't worth the headache and an old walkthrough I looked up said the same thing. I got stuck for months on akuba so i wasn't willing to go blind into an even more difficult dungeon.

[Anonymous No.5432545]

>>5430607
Only everything. It's not the same game, none of the original mechanics in there. It's a brand new game with a recycled plot and maps.

[Anonymous No.5434235]

>>5431596
Not the guy you replied to but let's say youre willing to invest the time and effort to do this project. What programming language would be ideal? Would game maker studio work?

[Anonymous No.5434443]

>>5434235
Yes, it would. I've also been doing a serious project with Godot (which updated to 3.1 today) and it's been pretty fun to work with, very fun to use. But, there's not a thing such as an ideal language nowadays, pick whatever you feel comfortable with.
Still, it's better to use an engine. Doing it from scratch (C/C++/etc) is a lot of effort that isn't really necessary unless you want to brag about it or have such specific demands that nothing else will do. This is definitely not one of those cases.

[Anonymous No.5434590]

>>5434443
Dude do you have a throw away email? I've got lots of questions and you seem to be knowledgeable

[Anonymous No.5434786]

>>5434590
How about IRC? Would be a lot faster. "/query PSthreadAnonDude" on Freenode, you can use http://webchat.freenode.net/
I might take a bit to reply, cooking at the moment.

[Anonymous No.5435063]

>>5434786
Never IRC before and i think i sent you a message if not, [e-mail] is my throw away

[Anonymous No.5435065]

>>5435063
Alright, saw you.

[Anonymous No.5436931]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcIKygpGzoc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbRORnX_MQk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FmGy6nyduk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvniOpJ8Kic

[Anonymous No.5437062]

I haven't played IV in more than a decade but I still pop the OST from time to time, it's that good. I especially love the machine dungeons tracks.

[Anonymous No.5438539]

Is this version a good choice for playing through these games? I have legit no idea.

[Anonymous No.5439763]

>>5438539
I think k they're just straight ports of the Genesis games, for better or worse.

[Anonymous No.5439947]

>>5438539
I hear the music is bad and PS1 has a save-deleting bug or something. Not the best choice for any of them, and I certainly wouldn't play PS1 without the FM sound. I really recommend the retranslation for PS1 and the vanilla Mega Drive versions for the others.

[Anonymous No.5440249]

just beat the game! took around 20hrs. it made me happy when rika jumped out of the spaceship to stay with chaz at the end :) a happy ending
what an awesome jrpg! i loved the graphics, the music, the characters, the story, the themes, the combat, the enemies - i loved everything about it! are the other phantasy star games nearly as good?

[Anonymous No.5440323]

>>5440249
>are the other phantasy star games nearly as good?
Well, they're not bad but you need to drastically lower your expectations before you go playing them. Nowhere near the same level of production values or character development to be found. They are all good games though, especially for their time. Just don't expect another non-stop blockbuster that makes Squaresoft look like shit.

[Anonymous No.5440351]

>>5440323
yeah this was definitely one of the best RPGs i've ever played. it even BTFOs a new RPG like undertale, it has the same moral to the story but told in a much more allegorical yet straightforward way
i did some research into the other ones and honestly 3 sounds the most appealing to me as the black sheep of the series. 2 is supposed to be as good as 4 but the graphics don't look as good and the dungeons seem crazy! i want to play the whole series now though
i really enjoyed phantasy star IV, thanks to this thread for encouraging me to getting around to playing it :^)

[Anonymous No.5440358]

>>5440351
>and the dungeons seem crazy!
Oh, any excuse to post this shitpost of a dungeon.

[Anonymous No.5440386]

>>5440351
I suggest start with 1 and keep going. I only played 1 for the first time a few years back and was amazed how much I liked it. Early rpgs usually don't do much for me.

[Anonymous No.5440429]

>>5440358
That's the dungeon that broke me as a kid.
>uh oh, looks like you jumped in the wrong pitfall, lemme just drop you all the way to the bottom floor so you can climb up and start all over again. Because fuck you

I managed to finish the game about a year ago, but whoever designed these layers of hell must've had a sadistic streak. Even with the hint book I got lost quite a few times, especially with one of the dams, because the map itself took two pages and you couldn't see the middle part because of the crease in the middle. The game isn't hard or anything but the later dungeons are hard to navigate. Whoever finished this game without a guide back in the day or even today deserves a medal.

[Anonymous No.5440479]

I recently played the first one and enjoyed it a lot. Loved the odd mix of sci-fi and fantasy.

I'm curious about what happens on Paseo though. Like when you first meet the mayor and you have a dream where you're attacked by some unseen force. And then at the end of the game where the mayor is overtaken by some monster. I don't know if I missed the exposition or what but I don't recall this being explained.

[Anonymous No.5440490]

>>5440429
>Whoever finished this game without a guide back in the day or even today deserves a medal.
Ah, you exaggerate. I did it a few years back completly blind without worries except for Ikuto >>5440358 because fuck Ikuto. Just used that very map for that one, not putting up with that shit. Most dungeons I blundered through on my first try, including the final one.

[Anonymous No.5440521]

phantasy star 2 dungeons were done by an intern
true story

[Anonymous No.5440569]

>>5440521
Yeah an intern at an EVIL FACTORY.

[Anonymous No.5440643]

>>5438539
For the first one
but for 2 -4 get the PS4 or steam Sega collection

[Anonymous No.5440743]

>>5439947
>Phantasy Star
>PS1
hmmmmnmnmnmnmnmn

[Anonymous No.5440768]

>>5430120
damn... ;-;

[Anonymous No.5440821]

[Anonymous No.5440826]

[Anonymous No.5440848]

>>5440826
>>5440821
This along with Breath of Fire 2 has another case of "looking at the fan art is more fun than actually playing the game".

[Anonymous No.5441289]

>>5438539
Yes. Been playing it for ages. There's no PSIV in there and I believe PSIII is better played on Genesis Emulator due to screen resolution, but otherwise it's a good port.

[Anonymous No.5441294]

>>5438539
Of course not, its a GBA game.

[Anonymous No.5441360]

>>5440479
It's Dark Fallz messing around. Every 1000 years he's trying to drown Algol Star System in blood. PSII begins with the same dreams.

[Anonymous No.5441369]

>>5440821
>MB did nothing wrong

[Anonymous No.5442292]

>>5440743
Yes, m80, Phantasy Star One abbriviates quite nicely to PS1 and there's no reason that while in a Phantasy Star thread you should think it could stand for anything else.

[Anonymous No.5442621]

>>5442292
PS0?

[Anonymous No.5442690]

>>5442621
Lol