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5398843 No.5398843 [Reply] [Original]

Is there a CRT that's good all around for all systems, retro and non retro?

>> No.5398852

Non retro games are best at 144hz, which CRTs can't do, so no. Also, retro games look better on an extremely bright OLED. OLED with CRT in my garage unplugged master race checking in.

>> No.5398853

>>5398843
don't some people purchase those that were used in hospitals? have no idea the highest resolution of those, though, and to play consoles that use a digital signal only, you'd have to convert the signal.

>> No.5398860

>>5398843
Avoid HD CRTs, they have the same faults as other HD TVs except they weight more than most adult men (200~300lbs being common). Just get a Trinitron of some sort for your retro stuff and you're good to go, keep the HD consoles on a proper HD TV. Of course I'm including 6th gen stuff as "retro" since they benefit from much of the same hardware as retro consoles do, while 7th gen and above does not.

>> No.5398864

Not OP, but also looking to pick up a CRT. Should I hold out of something with Composite or should I just accept Component?

>> No.5398876

>>5398864
I'd say wait, and you got it backwards: composite is bad, component is great and nearly on par with RGB (or at least the difference between them is significantly less than the difference between composite and component).

>> No.5398879

>>5398876
I always get them mixed up.

>> No.5398885

>>5398843
>Is there a CRT that's good all around for all systems, retro and non retro?
Not really.

>>5398843
>don't some people purchase those that were used in hospitals?
Yes, PVM/BVM and other display monitors are sought after for "retro" gaming. They have various requirements for connection and most are "RGB" compatible. If you have access to one at a fair price, great, but Id not go out of my way for the costs associated with them. A good component SD tv will generally costs less, and may even look better because of less time being used.

>>5398864
>Should I hold out of something with Composite or should I just accept Component?
My opinion: S-video is a minimum requirement. Component is a bonus. Unless you are looking for a 14" or smaller set, I wouldn't even consider composite. However, this is just my opinion. Plenty of people enjoy gaming with composite video & couldn't care less. It is all up to individual taste. In the USA, we missed out on SCART/RGB, so unless you are into spending quite a bit for the best possible picture, don't even consider it. One of my CRTs is a 20" Samsung tube, and it looks amazing with svideo or component. Meanwhile my larger 25" RCA is older, and looks quite a bit more muted with svideo. I think there is more of a difference depending on age and technology of the set than the inputs. A beat up over used high hours component set may look worse than a gently used s-video set. Shop around, and don't spend too much money on a CRT unless you know its exactly what you need. Another thing to keep in mind is that there aren't many "retro" systems that output component....though the PS2, Xbox & Wii all use this connection method, and it works great for them. Prior to that most offered S-video native, and you would have to physically modify your system to get better.

>> No.5398905

>>5398860
meh, mediocre advice. Only a newbie to delay would write this.

>> No.5399760

>>5398843
any PC monitor

>> No.5399818

>>5398860
Well, 6th gen stuff and the Wii is a bit trickier since they're best at 480p. 480i is kinda shit in comparison but not a lot of sets can take 480p without upscaling. And 480p on modern TVs looks pretty soft without an ossc

>> No.5399856

>>5398843
Nope.
>>5398852
>Non retro games are best at 144hz, which CRTs can't do, so no.
60hz on a crt looks twice as smooth as 144hz on an LCD.

>> No.5399868

>>5399818
>Wii is a bit trickier
The Wii honestly works best either on a 15khz CRT or a native 480p set....however, these "ED TV" sets are not common, nor desirable unless you have them specifically for that generation of game systems. I own 2 wii units, and use them as emulation boxes. They are good at emulating many older titles in 240p. The Xbox, Ps2 & GC/Wii have games that vary in resolutions from 240p-720p....and even the occasional 1080i. In a way they are the bridge between SD & HD content, and they work flawlessly on a SD tv.

>>5399818
>480p on modern TVs looks pretty soft without an ossc
This is the truth unfortunately. Without additional hardware, you can and will notice the degraded visual clarity. I would rather run a game at 480i on a CRT versus having an LCD upscale a 480p image to its native resolution. Neither is a "perfect" option, but the 480i CRT handles it better visually...though different sets it is more or less apparent.

>>5399856
>60hz on a crt looks twice as smooth as 144hz on an LCD.
You are feeding zoomer trolls.

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>>5398843
yes 36 inch JVC

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>>5399875

>> No.5399894

>>5398843
Your ideal option would be a Sony BVM A or D series as they'll do everything from 240p to 1080i. They're expensive as shit nowadays though.

>> No.5399896
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>>5399882
Hmm...Supaboy...Green Mountain coffee cup...I knew it

>> No.5400071

I have one of these. They say crt dont need upscaling. I tested with a DVD and the upscaling still looks better then feeding it a 480p signal.

>> No.5400134

>>5399896
Go fuck yourself

>> No.5400161

>>5400134
You're the big homo who bought a handheld emulator that takes original cartridges. I'd kill myself if I was that retarded.

>> No.5400183

>>5400134
>You bought a supaboy
Embarassing

>> No.5400205

>>5399882
Proudly displaying your emulator that only works with original carts. Emulator DRM?

>> No.5400249

>>5400161
>>5400183
fuck you

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>>5400161
>>5400183
if you're both so bent out of shape over someone else's stuff then gtfo you degenerate faggot

>> No.5400267

>>5400260
>I'm a fuckwit and I don't like being called out on it
You're the antithesis of /vr/ and should fuck off back to ribbit.

>> No.5400269

wow this thread went to shit real fast

>> No.5400270

>>5398860
>Avoid HD CRTs
Shut the fuck up and stop repeating this nonsense. I won't even explain the reason why you are wrong because it's been discussed here many times. Read the archive and lurk moar.

>> No.5400274

>>5400267
no u

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>>5399896
>>5400161
>>5400183
>>5400205
>>5400267
so why are you faggots upset over a supaboy?

>> No.5400289

>>5398843
Some NEC X and Mitsubishi Diamond series monitors can do both native 240p and 720p/1080i. That's a pretty darn good range, but you will be limited to 4:3 aspect ratio. No big deal for PC gaming most of the time. A handful of random PC workstation monitors can do the same.

Sony GDM-FW900 would be excellent for non-retro games since it can display 1600p, and with the use of pixel shaders the image on it would look very similar to that which you could get from a Sony BVM, considered the most advanced 15khz CRT series ever made. Or you could set up shaders to look like a much older CRT if you wished to do so. Sony also made an older W900 monitor that is extremely uncommon, but on the off-chance you encounter on it would have similar performance. If you don't want to spend a fortune on a FW900 most any old 21" 4:3 monitor will do 1600x1200 and you'll get good performance from that.

>> No.5400290

ITT: shill and red pilled

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>>5400267

>> No.5400296

>>5400289
FW900 can also do 240p120 which is useful for games that don't have a lot of scrolling.

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5400305

Hehe this will defiantly trigger some faggot.

>> No.5400336

I'm gay

>> No.5400343

>>5400289
>>5400296
FW900 is overpriced trash and widescreen is totally useless for retro games.

>> No.5400351

>>5400343
nigger

>> No.5400353

>>5400305
I'm triggered by the way you misspelled "definitely".

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>>5400351
it's true tho

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>>5398843
>Is there a CRT that's good all around for all systems, retro and non retro?
If you throw in a VCR to act as a RF demodulator and don't mind taking out a bank loan, sure.

>> No.5400368

>>5400134
You'd like to watch that wouldn't you faggot.

>> No.5400387

>>5400276
Spoiler:I kinda want one

>> No.5400394

>>5400343
>widescreen is totally useless for retro games.
t. console nigger

>> No.5400412

>>5400394
name one (1) widescreen retro pc game that isn't jazz jackrabbit.

>> No.5400413
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5400413

>>5400353
>>5400368

>> No.5400418 [DELETED] 

>>5400368
Yes, I'd like to watch you get raped by a nigger with a BBC and live stream it and share with with your family and friends

>> No.5400421

>>5400368
get on chaturbate right now

>> No.5400426

>>5400412
Panzer Dragoon Zwei

>> No.5400431

>>5400343
This, not meming. FW900 is nothing special.

>> No.5400432

>>5399818
This is probably a dumb question but why does 480p look so much better than 480i?

>> No.5400437

>>5398852
I have a 144hz monitor, I can't tell the difference at all.

>> No.5400449

>>5400437
>I can't tell the difference at all.
That is because you are a troll. I too have a 144hz LCD, and I would rather have a Trinitron again. My GDM FW900 was superior in every way visually. I am sorry that you can't see the difference. Do you wear glasses or contacts? If not, you may need to get your eyes checked.

>> No.5400456

>>5400449
I can tell the difference between a CRT and LCD I'm just saying I can't tell the difference between 60hz and 144hz

>> No.5400463

>>5400456
>I'm just saying I can't tell the difference between 60hz and 144hz
I don't doubt that some people simply cannot. There are people that claim they cannot tell the difference between 30 and 60fps also. I have been gaming at 120hz+ since 2001, and have become accustomed to CRTs. LCD "refresh rate" is not the same. Again, I am sorry that you can't tell the difference because it is huge. Back to my question however, Do you wear glasses or other eye correction?

>> No.5400468

>>5400432
Sharper/more detail and smoother animation

>> No.5400475
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>>5400463
uh y-yes i'm supposed to wear glasses but i don't wear them

>> No.5400492

>>5400475
>uh y-yes i'm supposed to wear glasses but i don't wear them
I wasn't asking to insult you. I was just testing a theory of mine. I am nearly 40, have never wore glasses and was recently tested at 20/13 with a slight astigmatism. I have been staring at CRT screens since the early 80s....I got into computers fairly early and have accidentally only ever had Sony monitors. I can tell differences very quickly between the technology. I am only making a statement of fact. I do think that people with better eyes will notice these things differently. IF you see no difference, carry on. I don't know how you would plug a Snes into a 144hz LCD, or how you would get the system to output 144hz...but that is another discussion for another thread....

I have an Asus 144hz, and it looks like hot garbage. I ended up finding a program called "Strobelight" by ToastyX, and it alleviated it somewhat. Even at the 120hz that this program "enhances" it still does not compare to a CRT for any fluid motion or contrast/blacks. However, text is quite a bit nicer, and it takes up less desk space. I do like being able to use my desk for something other than the support of a 100+ pound monitor.

Thanks. You continue to confirm suspicions I have about other people's perception on display technology.

>> No.5400495

Lots of stupid answers in here. Like the kind that aren't even trolling stupid, just real unadulterated retard.
The answer is L5.

>> No.5400508

>>5400495
I was hop into the thread and say the same thing. However I don't know how well it works with the brand newest systems.

>> No.5400512

>>5400492
>only ever had Sony monitors
I'm so sorry for you anon.

>> No.5400529

>>5400468
I realized right after I posted that it's also basically double the resolution

>> No.5400538

>>5398853
I bought two from a hospital that was relocating and upgrading their equipment but they're both SD PVMs with RGB capabilities (up to 480i). Not sure if many hospitals would have great quality CRTs capable of 480p-1080i

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>>5400495
>The answer is L5.
What was that you were saying about stupid answers again? How many RGBHV sources have you tried running into your L5?

Pic related is a better answer.

>>5400508
It maxes out at 1080i, so at best you'll be running it with compromises after putting it through a mess of converters.

>> No.5402001

>>5400512
Don’t be. They’re the best.

>> No.5402003

>>5398852
>144Hz
>He believes he has super human vision

>> No.5402020

>>5400512
>I'm so sorry for you anon.
Trininitrons are Top tier. I would have loved to have owned other brands, but I am very glad that my experience with computer monitors is ONLY trinitron. High refresh rates and top quality color representation is a desirable thing, and nothing you should feel sorry for.

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>>5398852
>144hz, which CRTs can't do

I'm pretty sure you're wrong about this. Most of the CRTs I had way back in the day could perform at over 120hz as long as the resolution was lowered. My throwaway Viewsonic could run 640x480 at 120hz, which was convenient for CS.
The most popular one back then was Samsung's 997DF, which could do 800x600 at over 140hz, and 640x480 at 160.
I can't imagine anyone "retro" gaming at above those resolutions.

Is there a considerable difference, in retro gaming terms, that high refresh rate LCDs provide that old school CRTs didn't?

>> No.5402036

Take the CRTpill. I bought a GDM-520P (137 kHz, 0.22 mm dot pitch) on ebay a couple years ago and was extremely excited to receive it but it was destroyed in the mail. Discouraged to buy another now.

>> No.5402058

>>5402035
>I'm pretty sure you're wrong about this.
You are responding to a troll.

>> No.5402069

>>5402036
Buying a CRT that you aren't going to partially pick up was probably your mistake.

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5402095

>>5402058
I thought I was too old to be tricked.

>> No.5402176

>>5398843
No.

Most CRTs are going to be serviceable for games though.