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DOOM THREAD / RETRO FPS THREAD - Last thread >>5386842

DOOM/II/ULTIMATE/FINAL/64/CHEX/QUAKE/DUKE/ETC
Gameplay, WADs/Maps/Mods, Source Ports
All other retro FPS welcome
~~ Let's post like gentlemen ~~

FAQ/PASTEBIN
http://pastebin.com/hzDnLpct

SO YOU WANT TO PLAY SOME...
Doom, Quake, Duke, Marathon, or Thief:
https://imgur.com/a/wWS8zXz
-Album of infographics with setup information and user-made content recommendations

Same thing, but in video format:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ietb4JwaaXA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGj4gXyCzg0

IWADs and more (>3 GB): https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B47V8l2eVZKxRU82S3JkZkdBRXM
PortaDOOM: https://github.com/Kroc/PortaDOOM/releases
Quake pastebin (2016-06-22): http://pastebin.com/XjBHDRFw
Downloads for various /vr/ shooters. (Includes Duke Nukem, Doom, Blood, and Quake.)
https://mega.nz/#F!QXIk1bjB!NHRWGIfjcc77PyGgRlga4Q
https://mega.nz/#F!GtEQTISJ!CCJGyPEEEsZasc1PMXicUA

Doom RPG series
https://doomrpg.weebly.com/

Launchers for Build Engine games
http://buildgamedosboxlaunchers.weebly.com/

== INFO/LINKS ==

OFFICIAL DOOM WIKI
http://doomwiki.org/

WHERE TO FIND WADS
Vanilla/Boom: https://www.doomworld.com/forum/4-wads-mods/
ZDoom: http://forum.zdoom.org/viewforum.php?f=19
/idgames: https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/

TUTORIALS/UTILITIES
https://pastebin.com/7vKYWYp0

RESOURCES
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewforum.php?f=37

== /VR/DOOM COMMUNITY ==

THREAD ARCHIVES
https://desuarchive.org/vr/search/text/%22doom%20thread%22/type/op/

MAKING NEW THREADS PROPERLY
https://pastebin.com/yzwgaLp7

IMAGE DATABASE
http://vrdoom.booru.org/?page=post&s=list

OUR WADS
http://pastebin.com/5sKRiJzS
http://pastebin.com/aiEgdB3K

>> No.5392140

=== NEWS ===

[2-22] Powerslave EX mouse fix for Windows 10
https://community.pcgamingwiki.com/files/file/1218-powerslave-ex-fix/

[2-16] Bungie's Pathways Into Darkness rebuilt in Aleph One
http://simplici7y.com/items/aleph-one-pathways-into-darkness

[2-21] SM192 released for Quake released
http://celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61692

[2-19] Colorful Hell updated to 0.96, introducing a new tier and more
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=47980&start=705#p1092145

[2-18] SIGIL delayed until April
https://rome-ro.squarespace.com/news/2019/2/16/sigil-update

[2-13] NBlood released, an open-source port of Blood modeled off EDuke32
https://twitter.com/nukeykt/status/1095422953334857728

[2-10] Evilternity updated to final release
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/103425-final-release-eviternity/

[2-9] BTSX E3 screenshots
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/104557-back-to-saturn-x-episode-3-wip/

[2-9] Quake2XP receives an update
https://www.moddb.com/mods/quake-2-xp/downloads/quake2xp-1269-beta2

[2-8] Sunder and Deus Vult II resume development
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/45774-dvii-second-edition-underway-its-time/?do=findComment&comment=1960915
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/46002-sunder/?do=findComment&comment=1961207

[2-8] XLEngine on Github
https://github.com/Mindwerks/XLEngine

[2-8] New DBP project: Mindblood Genesis
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/104171-mindblood-genesis-dbp08-released-a-limit-removing-project-from-doomer-boards/

[2-5] Doomba - Roombas used for mapping
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/103677-roomba-mod-will-map-your-house-and-then-make-it-into-a-doom-map/

[2-3] Anon map release: SCRAP
https://www.mediafire.com/file/1cbnp4m1c9w1auu/SCRAP.wad/file

[2-2] Neural-upscaled textures for Quake 2
https://www.moddb.com/games/quake-2/addons/quake-2-upscaled-pack

=== PREVIOUS ===

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=== PROTIP ===

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>> No.5392158
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5392158

Do you think we'll ever get another Action Doom?

>> No.5392202

>>5392158
We will if I have anything to say about it. Shit might just get a degree in filming I'll do it myself if need be

>> No.5392236

>>5392072
I guess for people who want to play Hexen/Heretic in full 3D with hires textures

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EdEcgDGS_Q

I didn't see packs like this for Hexen/Heretic for GZDoom (there's many for Doom though). Also it seems better optimized for 3D model/hires stuff to work on old pc's.

>> No.5392239

Quake 2 fucking sucks ass.

Quake 1 rules. Is better in every way.

>> No.5392248

>>5392239
Except multiplayer.

>> No.5392252

>>5392239
>Quake 2 fucking sucks ass.

It's good with ray-tracing. But you need RTX card. And vanilla Quake 2 yes looks kind of boring.

>> No.5392273
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a while back someone posted a 3d printable model of doomguy (not nudoomguy), anyone have that file or a link?

>> No.5392289

>>5392273
Anon, you've been asking this in so many threads. Have you tried searching the thread archive for it?

>> No.5392291

>>5392248
i disagree.

>> No.5392302

Is Brutal Doom v21 ever going to come out?

>> No.5392303
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>>5392289
sorry, I am retarded and know nothing about searching archives. Where do I go to do that? How far back do the archives go?

>> No.5392319

>>5392303
They go for more than a year

>> No.5392323

>>5392302
It's been in BETA for over a year. Until the creator realizes that he shoved too much stuff and not polished the previous features, it will surely come out after Eternal.

>> No.5392328
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Playing Brutal Doom for the first time with the hell on earth starter pack and its so comfy
https://youtu.be/dVJr71V2670

>> No.5392361

Has MetaDoom ever referenced the mark of the Slayer from Doom 4?

>> No.5392367

>>5392248
Disagree.
Quake is better in literally every way except the engine itself.

>> No.5392406

>>5392239
Quake 2's combat is kinda fun. Level's aren't too great, but not awful either.

I love Quake 1, but it needed proper bosses, and it needed more of the music you hear as the opening theme, that shit absolutely bangs and then you don't hear it again.

>> No.5392418

Is there a way to implement enemy flinching under fire WITHOUT actually interrupting their actions?

>> No.5392419

>>5392418
What do you even mean by that? What's the point of the flinching if it doesn't interrupt them?

>> No.5392430
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What mod is this?

>> No.5392436

>>5392430
qoom

>> No.5392446

>>5392419
Visual feedback of enemy reacting to your fire. Make it like a different animation from interrupted flinching.

>> No.5392453

There was a .wad that fucked with your mind. For example at one point you see this small room, just a box in the middle of a another room, you go in and the inside is as big as a castle.
It played around with invisible seamless teleports and such, does anyone have the name of that .wad?

>> No.5392460

>>5392446
You do realize this would mean that enemies might throw projectiles or land attacks while appearing to flinch right? What you're asking isn't totally impossible in ZScript to my understanding, but I doubt it would have the effect you want.

>> No.5392469

Who came up with Benellus the god of shotguns?

>> No.5392479
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5392479

Looking at getting into making maps. I don't really understand how level flow is supposed to work though. Can anyone recommend a tutorial that will teach me how to make my levels not fucking boring?

>> No.5392480

>>5392469
there was no singular person that came up with it, it was purely anonymous idea tossing passing hands

any singular person who claims to be responsible for it you can safely dismiss as a faggot

>> No.5392482

>>5392479
may not help you that much but i wondered if anyone could use this guide for level making
http://sgt-shivers.tumblr.com/post/173783748040/3000-follower-special-how-i-speedmap

>> No.5392501

>>5392480
Hey! I was that faggot!

>> No.5392525

>>5392236
my sides were not ready for those ettin animations

>> No.5392531

>>5392482
>geometry first, flow second
peak brainlet

>>5392479
easy starting point would be identify what you like and try to "remix" it

>> No.5392546

>>5392460
As I said, distinctly different animation.

>> No.5392557

How do i get gud at finding secrets?

>> No.5392560

>>5392557
Press the open button ON EVERY WALL YOU SEE

>> No.5392569

>>5391960
I really enjoyed Mephisto's Mausoleum and Black Tower. Both were atmospheric and memorable maps. Very great maps considering, that they were made on 1995.

>> No.5392575

>>5392560
and hit them too.

>> No.5392602

>>5392546
Reduce enemy pain chance to zero to avoid entering actual pain state. Whenever the enemy takes damage, do a custom pain chance roll. If succeeded, have something measure their sprite index and change it to what you want for a period of time in tics. It's going to be irritating to pull off but not impossible.

>> No.5392608
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I'm not much of an artist, but this one is for you and Dakka, Ijon.

>> No.5392620
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Currently going through Hexen, why is this game so confusing fellas?
The second hub is torture.

>> No.5392632

>>5392608
what map is that?

>> No.5392637

>>5392632
The Dakka test map

>> No.5392641
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>>5392608
Early on when I was first drawing out Dakka guy, a friend of mine also took my design and drew him too.

>> No.5392701
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>>5392139
>tfw you will never, ever have a crash gf
GOD
DAMN IT

>> No.5392704

>>5392236
I'm the guy that said fuck it last thread. I was trying to use it to play that Legend Farewell Hexen mod because it's pretty neat and I had played the first two hubs on my old computer with it. It just refuses to work right this time. Gotta use the 1.8.6 version of it and it feels like the clunkiest garbage. To hell with it.

>> No.5392743

what if eternal has a level based off tei tenga?

>> No.5392763

>>5392743
what if you actually were a responsible, successful, married person like your parents expected you to be, johnathan?

>> No.5392792

>>5392763
i just asked something about a potential scenario
my name isn't even jonathan

>> No.5392794

>>5392763
i swear to god garfield i'm going to punt you off a cliff

>> No.5392804
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>>5392701
I want individual games for everyone in the Q3A cast.

>> No.5392805

>>5392569
Black Tower I could get, but I hated Mephisto's Maosoleum.

>> No.5392818

>>5391281
>>"Hey Graf, why does your port for a 1993 game makes machines built after 2015 struggle?"
Because it's fundamentally not an engine which you can optimize much further because of how it works. There's things here and there you could fix or upgrade, but you'll never run a huge and detailed map with thousands of monsters, and not suffer performance issues, the object handling is what it is.

Graf makes some shitty decisions, but I don't think you can hold it against him that he doesn't want to rebuild the entire sourceport from the ground up.

>> No.5392820

>>5392818
So how come other sourceports handle those bigger maps better than GZDoom?

>> No.5392821

>>5392818
>actually daring to defend Graf inside /doom/'s circlejerk
Absolute madman.

>> No.5392825

>>5392818
>>5391281
>gzdoom decreases limits & adds features
>modders think because its a port for a game from 1993 they can use these features as much as they want
>WTF gzdoom sucks why is the performance shit!!

>> No.5392828

>>5392820
Not Graf, but it's because GZDoom's method of determining actor behavior is inefficient as fuck. This is why they want to do that "compiled zscript" shit, so that they can squeeze more performance out of it without totally restructuring.

>> No.5392829

Does anyone have a weapons only version of smooth Doom? Not perks smooth weapons but smoothdoom with just the weapons

>> No.5392837

>>5392829
I do.

>> No.5392847

>>5392837
Sweet

>> No.5392943

>>5392239
Remake the first Unit of Quake 2 in Quake 1's art style and Q1 fans would have eaten it up. Reskin all the guns and enemies and replace the music. That would absolutely prove Quake 2 isnt bad, its just the same and setting people dislike and they can't even admit it.

>> No.5392959

>>5392820
Is hyper3DGE better than GZDoom? Also what about Vavoom and Risen3D?

>> No.5392963
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>>5392804
Some characters would really benefit if they had their own game. Can't believe they didn't do anything with Sarge despite they made him look like the main character of the game.

Speaking of which who are your favourites in Quake 3? Custom skins included.

>> No.5392975
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>>5392963
Ranger is a given; other than that, Anarki, Slash, Visor, Hunter, Patriot, Crash and Orbb. Some of them (that were brought back at all) were reimagined really well in QC, others turned out meh.

>> No.5392979

>>5392837
>>5392847
Could you post pls

>> No.5392982

>>5392979
No.

>> No.5392985

>>5392982
Ok

>> No.5392994

>>5392963
Doom (obviously), Crash, Klesk, Visor, Mynx, Hunter, Uriel and Sarge. Also Bones.

>> No.5392995
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>>5392963
Default QC Ranger looks just plain and boring. They did a better job with his Gladiator skin.

>> No.5393001

>>5392995
I like his default armor, it's a good reimagining without going full Roman like the Gladiator model, but they really should have mixed the two (like the two strips/latches across the chestpiece that were pretty much the only defining part of the texture in Q1 and Q3). The Gladiator helmet absolutely should have been the default, though.

>> No.5393005

>>5392829
Open it up in slade and comment out the monsters from decorate, it's a ten second job.

>> No.5393007
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5393007

Telset

>> No.5393016

>>5393007
>no Turok clone starring Hunter and the Sorg
fuck this gay earth

>> No.5393031

>>5392943
Wrong. The boring aesthetics are only part of the problem, the enemies & weapons are mechanically much less fun than Quake 1.

>> No.5393052

>>5393031
The Strogg have some decent aesthetics.

>> No.5393062
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>>5393031
Mechanically the enemies might function in a better way because they are a little smarter and less basic. The weapons are pretty good all around except the pistol, hyperblaster, and I think the grenade launcher is a bit too slow. All the good weapons are just as good if not better than the Quake 1 guns. You got to keep in mind Q1 didnt have a perfect weapon roster, I think its just familiarity. Overall Q2 is less memorable but the haters are way way too biased. I get liking one over the other but at the time, there was shit that was actually bad like Blood 2.

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5393070

how can unreal's waifus even compete?

>> No.5393071

>>5393016
>NoTurok game because the 2008 reboot sucked so bad that it also killed the possibility for a sequel
That fucking sucks, sure we habe Turok 1 and 2 remasters but I would really like a new Turok game.

>> No.5393090

>>5393071
Never say never. With brand new retro style shooters growing in popularity, we might actually see classics have a come back. Like it or not, bringing back shadow warrior to the modern age is a good sign for these hopes

>> No.5393098

>>5392140
[2-24] Chex Quest HD Trailer revealed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDblwrDDGc8

>> No.5393102

>>5393098
so lets get our Russian HD pack jokes out of the way now

>> No.5393115

>>5393098
>>5393102
LowPolyChex.

>> No.5393119

>>5393102
>>5393098
Cyka Quest HD

>> No.5393125
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>>5393098
It's time to kick ass and chew cereal.
...and he's all out of milk.

>> No.5393131

>>5393098
This looks pretty good. I actually want to play it to see how it is.

>> No.5393135

>>5393090
I hope. We got a new Turok comic not too long ago. It may have a new spark of interest.
Turok was a big deal back in the late 90s-early 2000s.

>> No.5393136
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Playing through City Assault with Hideous Destructor is a rite of passage.

>> No.5393137

>>5393098
Besides the poor audio quality, this looks pretty solid

>> No.5393149

>>5393098
I'm sure they put a lot of work into this, but I honestly don't think this is a good idea.

>> No.5393186

>>5392073
https://archive.org/details/1964GEPD
disable autoaim, choose the 007 difficulty and move up all the sliders, the game becomes very easy with mouse and keyboard

>> No.5393193
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>>5393098
Looks good on this part of the video. It seems they chose Unity (or what is this?) and utilizing all engine's features. At least it has level design, not just flat rooms like all these pseudoretro Unity games. It needs some improvement over sounds though, because they sound very repetitive.

>>5393102
It doesn't even look close to that ugly russian Doom "remake" pack.

>> No.5393197

>>5393098
looks very slow

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>>5393209

>> No.5393223
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>>5393209
>>5393219
Last one.
First time i saw it was in the first level but i thought i was just seeing things.

>> No.5393246

some people only remember the mobile rpg games for wolfenstein and doom because of whether or not bj and doomguy are related yet not many seem to have thought about the games actually being easy to play these days
i also wonder how gerardo and erick are going to handle the gzdoom ports of those games, like the controlls for them

>> No.5393252

>>5393193
No. That Doom "Remake" is better. Because it feels like Doom - it has gore, blood, ugly monsters, hellish atmosphere, doesn't matter how crappy it looks - it is still Doom, but that shit on video is not Doom at all, but an Indie Unity-based game for 4 years old kids. If you prefer that kids game over Doom Remake you're not a true doomer.

>> No.5393254 [DELETED] 

>>5393252
Russian genocide best day of my life.

>> No.5393263

>>5393254
he is Australian last time I checked the thread

>> No.5393270

>>5393263
I'm fucking surprised

>> No.5393285

>>5393254
holy shit what is your fucking damage

>> No.5393290

>>5392943
I much, MUCH prefer Q1's art style and music, as you say, but Q1 also had much better maps. Q2 level design was pretty bland. Q2 was worth a play-through but ive never gone back to it.

>>5393062
You're partially right imo, quake 1 was so damn good that 2 was a letdown by being so plain, not because it was fundamentally awful.

>> No.5393307

>>5393246
I doubt it will work well.

Doom1RPG was actually pretty neat, and Wolfestein RPG had some good elements, even if it was weird that in both games, they use different sprites from the games.

For games that were made to run on mobile phones pre-smartphones, they were pretty solid little games.

It was a neat idea to try to turn Doom into a phone dungeon crawler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJBL_dclMcA

Orcs and Elves was a hilarious piece of crap they tried to port to the DS for some reason. I dropped $15 on it and I still felt cheated.

>> No.5393321

>>5393307
>those ceiling and floor textures
i think that's a rare version of the game that nobody managed to find

>> No.5393325
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>finally try out hexen after being put off by the tales of nightmarish switch hunting
>try out mage thinking he'll have some badass arcane magics
>start off with a water gun
>first new attack is the lamest shit

Damn that. We fighter now. This is much better. The switch hunting isn't too bad so far, I just finished the swamp area of the Shadow Wood. My memory is good so I have a good idea of what to backtrack to and where things were when I saw them. This first person platforming over instant death falls is fucking horrible though. I have to save scum for this shit after every jump. What were they thinking?

>> No.5393327

>>5393252
here's your reply.

>>5393246
weren't the RPG series of games considered spinoffs?

>> No.5393342
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They surely went all out with the designs in Eternal, they've made the Mancubus chunky like in the classic ones.

>> No.5393345

>>5393342
Seems like a cheap attempt at nostalgia to me instead of coming up with new original designs that make the game stand out, but nope, too lazy for that.
>inb4 but doom 4!
That's no excuse, failing once is not a justification.

>> No.5393348

>>5393345
Yes because the original sprites packed so much detail, that Eternal looks like a 1:1 copy.

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5393354

:thinking:

>> No.5393356

>>5393345
If ain't broken don't fix it.
As long they look good, who cares?

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>>5393098

>> No.5393374

>>5393342
I like 'em big
I like' em chunky

>> No.5393389

>>5393354
Ok, but
>What is Quake Ranger
>What is Duke Nukem
>What is an Orc
>What is Doshin the giant

>> No.5393391

>>5393325
Sapphire Wand is actually the most useful of the starting weapons, because it's the one that's ranged (and still costs nothing).
Further its beam is a +RIPPER, and will penetrate enemies in long rows, also never deflecting against enemies.

>> No.5393396

>>5393345
The Eternal Manc has a different face from the original Manc and kept some of the 2016 Manc details.
Most of these designs are more of "modernizations" of the original designs rather than actual HD versions.

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>>5392963
>>5393070
Missed out on Quake III because UT was what I wound up playing sadly.

I did like some of the waifu custom models in the UT/UT2k4 games.

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>>5393404

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>install psdoom-ng (the doom task manager)
>near instantly gives you all the weapons
>autoswitches to bfg

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>>5393404
>Felina

My ass!

Though this post just makes me wish I could actually find populated servers on 2k4.

>> No.5393429

>>5393345
*makes sequel look more doom to please fans*
>cheap attempt at notalgia
Eternal looks fantastic, sorry you dont like good fun games m8

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>>5393345
okay so define what's the issue with recreating old designs for recognitions' sake. are we gonna take it out into doom 2 now for not making any radical changes to the base roster instead of reusing absolutely everything? what other approaches would be considered "valid" and "doom like"" for
a literal hambeast with arm cannons?

fuck's sake, change too much and it's shit, change too little and it's nostalgia pandering.

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>>5393482
Its strange too because most of the time, people who slam D44M usually admit Eternal is looking promising.

>> No.5393491

>>5393484
Man I still want to meet the guy who made the call to put a hookshot on the super shotgun, because it was a fucking brilliant move.

>> No.5393493

>>5393484
What's funny is that the new rocket launcher and combat shotgun could be compared to the old school counterparts because of their colors and such, yet have new details to make it more interesting
Same for that SSG, so even what's new seems to be interesting

>> No.5393504

>>5393342

We'll see if they improve the level design. If it's just the same skatepark arenas but bigger to accommodate the grappling hook, the fanservice can't save it.

>> No.5393508

>>5393491
I especially love the fucking name, "MEAT HOOK"
It's genius, I swear.
Also is it really attached to the super shotgun itself? I assumed it was separate, like the shoulder-mounted flamethrower (ALSO amazing. Questioning why it took so long to get a flamethrower in Doom now...)

>> No.5393512

is bethesda paying you guys

>> No.5393513

>>5393484
all I'm after is an actual sustainable answer. I normally don't care about other people's opinions about videogames or question their tastes but I have to wonder what prompts such an insipid comment. you would actually have to go out of your way to address an irrelevant aesthetic detail as an actual negative point. I swear everytime I read a game get accused of 'NostALGia PANdEriNG' I lose a couple braincells.

>> No.5393516

>>5393508
It's attached to the SSG, you can only fire the hookshot when you have it equipped, it serves as an altfire.
The shoulder cannon for the subweapons is a good call too seeing as you can use them freely in the middle of other weapon animations.

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>>5393354
Doomguy is cool dude. But why he's so short?

>> No.5393520

>>5393512
Kill yourself.

>>5393513
You're assuming it was posting in good faith: >>5393512

>> No.5393523

>>5393517
captain J is that you?

>> No.5393525

Does the score counter in DAKKA not work yet, or am I just THAT bad?

>> No.5393526

>>5393525
You must be doing something hideously wrong because killing monsters in general nets you points.

>> No.5393528

do we have an ETA on BTSX E3

>> No.5393529

>>5392602
If this is how it works it's probably best saved for something special, like a boss battle.

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>>5393523
It's an old lowpoly JDoom model of Doomguy. I also installed Ultimate ThirdPerson mod which turns camera into something like GTA.

>> No.5393538

>>5393102
fully modeled blue waffles

>> No.5393539

>>5393523
no 'yet' so no

>> No.5393547

>>5393526
That so? Well the mod is working fine otherwise, I guess I'll live.

>> No.5393548

>>5392701
Those abs are wrong and it bothers me.

>> No.5393551

>>5393548
I didn't make it, but feel free to explain in extensive, delicious details how they should be.

>> No.5393553

>>5392829
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/102462-vanilla-doom-smooth-weapons/
This one works with vanilla through trickery, and by extension should be fine in most ports.

>> No.5393556

>>5393551
Some day I'll just redraw them to show you.

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>>5393556
Imagine if you posted it here and we all gathered around and extensively appreciated and examined tight, UAC-trained girl abs, ha ha. Wouldn't that be funny?

>> No.5393567

I hope Doom Eternal makes their new enemies interesting.
The Fire Baron looks cool but his gameplay so far is just the 2016 Baron with different stats.

>> No.5393569

>>5393512
>people who are defending this game that has potential to be great are shills

I apologize anon, I'll try to be more cynical next time and hate fun.

>> No.5393571

>>5393567
I'm sure they'll have at l e a s t a couple new enemies, they seemed to make a point of adding new enemies for you to fight.

>> No.5393574

>>5393525
are you playing it in zdoom 2.8.1 with custom monsters
that's the only case I know of in which it wouldn't give points

>> No.5393578

>>5393567
I think it's the toned down difficulty. I hope it's just a variation and not the only type of Baron in the game.

I wonder if they will bring back the Summoner
imagine fighting both the Summoner and the Archvile

>> No.5393589

>>5393512
No, it legitimately looks like a great game, I wish I got paid for saying that shit

>> No.5393592

>>5393589
anon if you're not cautiously apprehensive [at best] for every single game ever released, then you're a fucking shill. how dare

>> No.5393593

>>5393574
correction: playing it in zdoom without the appropriate compat patch(es)
zdoom doesn't have KILL scripts, so the monsters need to call the Dakka_OnKill script directly, which requires the compatibility patches to replace the monsters and get it to work. everything else works fine as is (and it's like the one fucking thing zandronum has that plain ol' zdoom doesn't, funnily enough).

in the off chance that you are, use this: http://git.jinotra.in/ijon/dakka/raw/master/addons/dakka_zdoom.wad

>> No.5393603

>>5393508
>Questioning why it took so long to get a flamethrower in Doom now
I can't imagine a flamethrower being all that effective against demons from the depths of hell. It's like trying to drown a fish.

>> No.5393606

>>5393603
What if the fire is really, really hot?
Like REALLY hot

>> No.5393610

>>5393606
^^^^^^^

>> No.5393613

Playing Hideous Destructor and came across my first archvile.
So I have to keep bullying it until it goes away, right? Because the thing turned transparent and exploded in a shower of sparkles after magdumping my last smg mag following at it after a long game of cat and mouse and I'm scared.

>> No.5393615

>>5393209
There's a mod with Cirno randomly in it?

>> No.5393621

>>5393613
it's gone for good, until it comes back to laugh at you one last time
hope you've got a place you can go that doesn't have a lot of corpses

>> No.5393629

>>5393603
The fish can't breathe if you consume his oxygen. Setting someone on fire, the fire can choke him by consuming the oxygen he's trying to breathe (or worse, he could inhale the fire itself).

>> No.5393630

>>5393621
I lingered and everything started to come alive until I punched a few to death with a berserker pack and shot a couple more with a pistol from an imp before getting beat down myself by some asshole who's gun I unloaded and moved into a little "keep away" pile of guns.

At least I think I got beat down, sometimes I start to take damage, turn around and it's some zombie getting up in my grill.

At least I now know what to do with hd archviles now.

>> No.5393642

>>5393070
>Implying they need to

>> No.5393645

>>5393642
>quake waifus:
+individual chatlines
+less shared models
+cute
+abs
+hunter
-okay ai
-not real
>unreal waifus:
-no individual chatlines
+MY HOUSE
-more shared models
-ugly
-no abs
-no hunter
-also not real

>> No.5393663

>>5393645
Best looking quake skins are q2 voodoo and Athena, respectively. Boner points for the crackwhore model (and sound pak)

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>>5393663
I don't agree with you and think Athena is only cute in Q:C, but that's okay.

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Doomguy is actually Genghis Khan

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>>5393682

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>>5393683
Also

>> No.5393701

Are there any comfy youtubers that play Doom (and/or retro FPS in general) with commentary?

>> No.5393730

>>5393701
People are gonna tell you Joel but they will also say he is not very skilled. Its kindof suprising how little retrofps youtubers there are

>> No.5393737

>>5393701
zikshadow
TheV1perK1ller
ICARUSLIV3S

>> No.5393738

>>5393701
Civvie is the first I've seen that's actually respectably decent at the games.

>> No.5393747

>>5393701
There's actually not very much.
FortOfHardKnocks does some Hideous Destructor videos, if that's your thing, not the most colorful commentary though.

>>5393730
I love the guy, but his Doom streams tend to not be his most entertaining content.

>>5393738
He doesn't totally scrub out, so there's at least that.
His beef with Lost Souls seem kind of quaint to me though, and he completely fails to get the obvious infighting gimmick of E2M9.
We'll see how he deals with the rest.

>> No.5393750

>>5393693
super nailgun for heavy 2019

>>5393682
their bodycounts certainly rival eachother

>> No.5393753

>>5393701
shoutout to fort of hard knox for co-op hideo kojima destructor

>> No.5393776

>>5393737
>zikshadow
I like his no failure HD runs.

Caligari's HD vid with Dark Doom and the first map for 2063 is cool too

>> No.5393798

Does anyone have an older version of Shadowlink223's Samsara Monster Mixer? the one on his github doesn't have sprites or sounds

>> No.5393818

>>5393798
I do.

>> No.5393824

>>5393818
got a link?

>> No.5393825

>>5393824
Yes.

>> No.5393836

>>5393818
>>5393825
man you're such a gamer, dude

>> No.5393845

I need HD pack for Doom, where to get it?

>> No.5393847

>>5393845
Here

>> No.5393856

>>5393670
OG (((female)))

>> No.5393859

>>5393847
Where? I have squares in walls. I need HD pack so I will have normal walls.

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>>5393645
>-no abs
The Female Soldiers in UT99 have abs, there's abs in Unreal too. (also put Dimitri on the far right there just because she's cool)
I'm guessing you're just talking about retro Unreal here, also.

>> No.5393898

>>5393895
those fish lips, though

>> No.5393910

>>5393693
>>5392963
Where did Ranger's stubble go?

>> No.5393913

>>5393898
Not like Hunter's any better

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>>5393913
You shit talkin' my poorly-rigged waifu? I'll fuck you up, son. Also they're clearly better because they're thick ethnic lips with a nice texture that, while large, don't actually take up her entire face like most of the UT (and Unreal) models.

>>5393910
Burned off. Through friction.

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>>5393895
I kinda liked the Female1 models from Unreal 1. The default was looking a bit butch arguably, but other skins - like the blonde, redhead and albino were quite cute.
Also, Unreal 1 girls had very... ethusiastic voice acting. And that's a plus.

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>Cacodemon resurrects next to me while i'm picking through corpses
>Immediately start dumping a magazine into it
>It actually gets a shot off through full auto fire before dying
>Panic, dive forward to get away from it asap
>My rifle had cooked off, it gets dropped when I dive
>Shot in the ass by my own gun

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Fuck imps.

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>>5393898
Dayum.

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>>5393919
Please don't let Q:C die before we see her in glorious and hopefully uncensored HD, idthesda. That's all I ask.

>> No.5393940

>>5393934
and fuck prboom

>> No.5393946

>>5393930
Default Prisoner 849 is the cutest, though. Nothing wrong with a gun-lugging, dodge jumping, Skaarj fucking shit shooting lady looking a bit less feminine than expected.

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>>5393938
ain't gonna happen

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>>5393934

>> No.5393954

>>5393938
atleast we got sorlag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKJmlrhSr5U

>> No.5393960

>>5393954
I'm pretty sure only you get off to Sorlag.

>> No.5393964

>>5393960
y-yeah, what a weirdo

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>>5393954
day of the shaft for s*rg shits SOON

>> No.5393969

>>5393946
I kinda find it amusing that default protagonist of Unreal 1 was always female and nobody made a big deal about it , noticed or even gave a fuck. Those were some weird times.

>> No.5393976

>>5393969
in those days there wasn't an agenda being pushed down your throat
unreal 2 protagonist is a mulatto

>> No.5393978

>>5393964
I guess you're okay as long as you don't get off to the more gross degenerate kinks that Sorgposters used to spam.

>>5393969
Nah, these are the weird times we're living in now. Those times weren't weird exactly because nobody gave a fuck, which is how it should be.

>> No.5393980

>>5393969
>>5393976
>now you realize the b in cliffyb stands for BLACKED

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>>5393949
As much as the whole "triggered" thing's a meme now, I hate how there's some truth in that statement in this climate. When are we gonna have a second "90s" era? When no one gave a shit and just made shit for the sake of it?

>>5393978
agreed

>> No.5393986

>>5393969
Too busy ogling at Lara Croft and Jill Valentine

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>>5393980

>> No.5394004

>>5393982
it's all reactionary seesaw from here, kids

>>5393969
quake 2 also lets you play as a woman, or strogg
basically a voice pitch selection, Unreal has 3rd person death cam at least

>> No.5394009

>>5393976
unreal 2 was also shit, worse than you remember it probably

at least it had a big tiddy exposed midriff waifu in it, right

>> No.5394010

>>5394004
>reactionary seesaw
call me retarded but what do you mean by this?

>> No.5394015

>>5394010
/pol/posting.

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>>5394009
Y'know what's worse about Unreal 2? Future generations look at Unreal 1 and see how high of a regard it has, how it's remembered so fondly and has a well-deserved legacy behind it, so they assume the sequel would be just as good by association, or at the very least similar in tone/content, only to find it's a shitty game.

It's like if a teen were to play Duke 3D and assume Forever would be a great experience, especially considering its long development cycle reaching meme status.

>> No.5394018

>>5393976
It was actually more of a programming quirk than anything. Unreal models were simply listed alphabetically and the game picked the first one ("Female1") in a row as a default, unless the player changed it manually.
And then players and Epic themselves simply decided to roll with the fact that the game always picks the chick as the default protagonist.

>> No.5394023

>>5394010
this isn't a politics board, but pretty much this >>5394015
vidya gaems are also far too big now to avoid being politicized, so there will never be a second 90s

>>5394016
rename it to unreal 2 the engine demo and you're golden
literally has nothing tying it to unreal besides skaarj showing up for like 2 levels, and liandri corp gets namedropped
curiously it was developed by legend interactive (good riddance) and was not the start of Cliffy's fat space marine fetish

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>>5393982
>When are we gonna have a second "90s" era? When no one gave a shit and just made shit for the sake of it?

The portal to that glorious and based era is right here, battle brother! Just step in!

Obsessive nostalgia is a weakness.

>> No.5394027

>>5393528
No ETA from anyone working on it, besides that it's coming soon. As far as I could tell (and take this with a grain of salt), it's mostly done, but there are a couple maps that still need finishing (like an_mutt's), so probably not until later this year.

>> No.5394028

>>5394023
*legend entertainment

>> No.5394030

>>5394026
fuck off zoomer

>> No.5394031

>>5394030
>t. synthwave listener

>> No.5394034

>>5394026
For the record, I didn't mean a literal second "90s," but rather another wave of underground non-conforming stuff coming into the mainstream where it's just artists of all kinds making art for the sake of it. Although to be fair, that concept hasn't completely died out.

That being said, I'm 23 and while I don't go for the whole "this generation was better/worse" shlock, there's a lotta people in my generation that are fucking retarded.

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>>5394034
you mean like these guys?

>> No.5394049

>>5394023
>it was developed by legend interactive (good riddance)
Hey, I liked Wheel of Time.

>> No.5394057

>>5394048
who?

>> No.5394059

>>5394057
Pathologic devs

>> No.5394062

>>5394057
someone who'll never make it into the mainstream cause (You) havent bought their games

>> No.5394063

>>5394059
who?

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Drew some centered sprites for some future mod possibly

>> No.5394078

>>5393404
Now I want that skin Doomified.

>>5393682
1 out of 200 men is a descendant of Genghis so it is possible that Doomguy is too.

>>5394034
>>5394026
>>5393982
When the modern AAA industry collapses under its own weight - you can already see the signs.
Despite how far technology went over the years, the gaming industry is really young.
It has always been the case with newborn industries - the first ones to rise become arrogant, thinking they know what consumers would buy, make mistakes, do not learn from them in their arrogance and crumble. This has already happened in the west with Atari and US game crash, but that was rather small-scale due to the industry not being global enough at the time.
With each collosus collapsing, next ones learn from past mistakes, learns to adapt better and recognise the malicious trends that shatered the legs of the previous collossi and made them fall.
Then the cycle will repeat, the new generation more stable and durable than the last, each of them capable of satisfying their probable customer base more fully.
Until equilibrium is reached.

>> No.5394090

>>5394071
color palette too limited for my taste
makes things look too grainy

>> No.5394097

>>5394078
>When the modern AAA industry collapses under its own weight - you can already see the signs.
Just FYI the big game publishers are posting record revenues and game development costs have been dropping for years due to better tooling and faster iteration & artist-focused engine tech. A lot of people don't realize this because the publishers like EA push out excuses like how its too expensive/hard to do X or Y when really they are just maximizing profits like any business.
So, sadly, i don't think a collapse is coming any time soon.

>> No.5394105

>>5394097
Didn't the recent big releases like Battlefield V flopped spectacularly, EA lost a lot of money and the guy who said "if you don't like our game, don't buy it, you uneducated person" was fired from the company?
You hear about underperforming AAA releases pretty much all the time nowadays. I don't think the industry is going to collapse anytime soon, but big companies have to start course-correcting if they wish to maintain profit.

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>> No.5394115

>>5394106
> ill pay you 100$ to sod off

>> No.5394116

>>5392158
Action doom?

>> No.5394123

>>5394097
Stocks of every prior "veteran" of the game industry that were involved in perpetuating the worst of the modern trends are falling, and the companies refuse to learn from their mistakes, each next game performing worse than the last. They try to fight it with layoffs and intake of fresh blood *buying out small companies with their projects), but that won't hold them afloat for long unless they drastically change their approach.

>> No.5394128

>>5394115
>...b-but I can make you h-happy...

>> No.5394140

>>5394105
>>5394123
I'd like to agree with you guys, but the stats ive seen simply don't agree. EA, a contender for scummiest publisher:
>EA revenue for the quarter ending December 31, 2018 was $1.289B, a 11.12% increase year-over-year.
>EA revenue for the twelve months ending December 31, 2018 was $5.294B, a 3.91% increase year-over-year.
>EA annual revenue for 2018 was $5.15B, a 6.3% increase from 2017.

Its not even just revenue, their profit margins are, on average, increasing.
> https://ycharts.com/companies/EA/profit_margin

>> No.5394143

>>5394140
a nicer profit margin graph
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/EA/electronic-arts/profit-margins

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>>5394071
i hate angle of the rifle.

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>>5392620
>texture filtering on

>> No.5394218

>>5394071
The thing on the right looks like some sort of evil technological monument, there's no depth to it

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>>5394140
>>5394143
Most of that profit margin goes into the pockets of CEOs and buying out new companies.
The problem of EA and many that followed its example in the early days is that they rely on the stock investment to keep going, and their stocks are falling. The highlighted bump is because of Apex Legends (they had no involvement in), then it's a steady drop from there because Anthem. Unless they recuperate by SOMEHOW regaining trust of their customers - since trying to milk them more is unlikely to work as well as it did in the past now - the stock will keep falling down.

Investors do not invest into a stock that is going down, and without it such company can not stay afloat without bleeding resources that are otherwise needed to turn the situation around.
Another thing to consider is that people in charge do not even care if the company dies - they are going to fire all the "financial liabiliy", keep ludicrous ammount of money, and go on their merry way either dissolving/selling the company or leaving it a withered husk up for grabs for another big corporation.

This is what focusing on short-term goals with diregard of the future gets you.
Some companies however, prefer slow and steady approach with careful movement ahead, reasonably long term planning and measured introduction of innovations (Nintendo).

>> No.5394257

>>5394240
>be interplay
>make good games at a loss
>die
different time

>> No.5394263
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>>5394240
I agree with your points re corporate bullshit, but EA isn't relying on investors, it's still posting profits. And you're right, the company has had a downturn, but you could just as easily call that a correction after the massive boom from their huge lootbox related profits of the last few years. Pic related is their 20 year stock, and i don't look at that and see a company about to fail. I see a correlation between their post-2012 posted profits and their post-2012 stock price, which leads me to the obvious idea that investors care primarily about the company making profit (and growing).

>> No.5394271
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5394271

>>5394240
>>5394263
Also, nintendo is an interesting example, they have grown less than EA, and survived two big 'crashes' - one after the Wii boomed, and one after the switch was released (not recovered from yet.)

>> No.5394294
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5394294

Finally got around to playing Spooktober. What a fucking mixed bag. It's like there was no quality control. On one hand there's maps like this (by Batandy) with great level design & balanced gameplay, and on the other there's terrible unfun levels that feel like babby's first map.

>> No.5394295

>>5393603
Not if it's HOLY FIRE OF RIGHTFUL VENGEANCE

>> No.5394305

>>5394294
Would have been better if I had caught the attention of more good mappers, but hey, at least what went in is still okay compared to the outright unplayable trash submissions I had to reject.

>> No.5394307

>>5393919
How's that poorly rigged when it's done by some of the best of the best the industry had to offer at the time?

>> No.5394310

>>5394294
>there's maps like this (by Batandy)
I was wondering why that looked like Golden Souls 2.

>> No.5394335

I'm at midpoint on Japanese Community Project. Holy fuck, this wad is so fun. I was expecting something like modernized Memento Mori, but instead I got these unique fun maps, that are gimmicky in a good way, while still having absolutely great gameplay. Map11 with all those fruit arenas was fun experience. Great wad.

>> No.5394339

>>5394335
Do you like caco, though?

>> No.5394343

>>5393701
Why you do need to heard somebody's whining?

>> No.5394345

>>5393938
>chart
>things that never happen

>> No.5394348 [DELETED] 

>>5393938
Do you think that current PC culture will let you see that? You will get a tranny flat chest power grill instead.

>> No.5394350

>>5394348
I'm pretty sure that Id doesn't give much of a fuck about PC culture. DOOM 2016 and "mortally challenged" jokes in Eternal kinda hint towards that.

>> No.5394352

>>5393098
Cinematic aside, the game looks cool.

>> No.5394353
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>>5394348
>Do you think that current PC culture will let you see that? You will get a tranny flat chest power grill instead.
>PC culture
>culture
my fricking sides

>> No.5394357

>>5394335
>Complaining about Memento Mori
Guys, explain to me, what's with this meme?
Something I'm missing?

>> No.5394358

>>5393209
wat pwad

>> No.5394361

>>5392546
you can do that in decorate by adding more frames to the pain states

>> No.5394365

>>5392139
dudes what happend to thread >>5379158

>> No.5394368
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>>5392139
Can someone brave make this to DECORATE or at least compile the list of frames? I have something in mind cool and I want to make it happen!

>> No.5394369

>>5394339
Of course.

>>5394357
Relax mate, and read it again. I wouldn't have played JPCP to begin with, if I didn't expect great quality. Both Memento Moris are actually few of my favorite wads. They felt like official release back in 90s, thanks to their quality when compared to other wads of the time. Memento Mori and JPCP are both absolutely great, even if they don't resemble each other at all.

>> No.5394370
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5394370

>>5393342
>demons have booty again
the spirit of Adrian lives on!

>> No.5394374
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5394374

>>5394369
>Relax mate
YOU CAN'T TELL ME TO PUT OFF THE RAGE THAT LIVES IN ME BUD~

Jokin' aside, I just can't see that sometimes doomers complain about this pwad in general. It's not your case anyway.

>> No.5394376

>>5392139
https://twitter.com/Mechadon/status/1040995026690605057

>> No.5394379

>>5394376
Forgot to write, when this pwad will came out?
I want it.

>> No.5394382

>>5394376
I was actually planning to make a map pack to be set in Triton. I'll have to pic another moon then.

>> No.5394386
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5394386

Trying out Babel's monsters with my mod, the demons find arrows fucking terrifying?

>> No.5394401

>>5392139
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdgwYYADH4Q
Fricking epic

>> No.5394404

>>5394386
Try rotating the bow 45 degrees clockwise. It looks funky with arrows flying at an angle to how they appear on the bow.

>> No.5394409
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5394409

>>5394386
Another webm just to show it's not related to the arrow's bleed damage. I can't terrify the monsters like this with my other weapons, even those with a stronger projectile. Maybe it's because I'm using A_DamageTracer to apply the damage?

>>5394404
There's nothing below the screen there, I'm just using the bow sprites from Realm667.

>> No.5394413

>>5392139
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHEgCRkMTEA
holy fucking fuck

>> No.5394416

>>5394409
>>5394386
I distinctly remember there was another bow that didnt look that awkward (and not the one from Witchaven)

>> No.5394426

>>5394416
You talking about High Noon Drifter's bow or something else? (not a fan of HND's bow personally)

>> No.5394429

>>5394426
Maybe REKKR? It had a good bow.

>> No.5394456

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gF8Z90Saz0Q

New Castlevania: Simon's Destiny update released. Tons of quality of life features including a better hitbox for the whip.
This is probably gonna be my last update for this mod, thank you so much for your support!

>> No.5394465

>>5394456
ok cool but
vampire lady mod full release when

>> No.5394474

>>5394465
To be quite frank, I don't know.
I'm stuck in a huge creativity block cause of stuff, and haven't done much progress on The Crimson Deed lately. I definitely wanna come back to it as soon as i can, but right now there's not much to it.

>> No.5394476

>>5394474
reee

>> No.5394482

>>5394368
Is it just me or the mancubus fits Duke 3D style better than Doom, since it looks more like an alien than a demon.

>> No.5394492
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5394492

>>5394482
Nah, he fits.
I think Doom 64 Mancubus looks like a Duke enemy more.

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>> No.5394510
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5394510

No matter what mods or maps I play they just cannot fill the void anymore. It's over for me lads.

>> No.5394512

>>5394510
Start making mods then

>> No.5394525

>>5393701
Oh, Hexa is very good. His commentary is pretty comfy (although he has a habit of sometimes just talking for like 5+ minutes at the start of the video while just standing and doing nothing, but again, it's pretty comfy).
Most of his LPs are with "Complex Doom + LCA" (but not Clusterfuck) so if that's your thing it's good.
But has has done some non-Complex wads, like NeoDoom. Or, most prominently, he just got done with playing through Dark Tartarus (on livestreams, but he does upload both full and edited versions of the streams)
The most impressive thing about him is that he always pistol starts and never uses saves.
So he's pretty skillful at the game. And still there are plenty of fun moments and plenty of tense moments. Even some rage moments, if the map is bullshit enough, but he always manages to get through.

>> No.5394675

Hey is there a mod that lets me play the 2016 version of doom in the Doom 2 engine? Kind of like how they remade doom 64 on the doom 2 engine?

>> No.5394678

>>5394675
d4d and d4t are the closest you'll get.

>> No.5394679

>>5394678
can you provide a link?

>> No.5394683

>>5394679
http://google.com

>> No.5394689

>>5394683
is it just a weapons mod for doom? because that's what it looks like

>> No.5394712
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5394712

>Custom mapset has really cool level design, layout, aesthetic and even tells an interesting story
>Gameply turns into a fucking enemy-spam slaughtermap shitfiest halfway through

Fucking why?

>> No.5394717

>>5394712
why is there a post like this in every single fucking thread now, give it a rest already.

>> No.5394718

>>5394712
Because mapmakers consider the latter design to be a natural expectation of the player for a difficulty spike?

>> No.5394730

>>5394717
>>5394718
There are better and more interesting way to design challenges for the player that don't involve spamming 11 archviles in a single level.

Trump Doom is a great example of how to create challenge encounters without spamming objects from the "things" column.

>> No.5394736

>>5392430
Those are some Quake 2 textures in there.

>> No.5394738

>>5394730
11 archviles scattered throughout a map isn't even a lot

>> No.5394741

>>5392239
Useless troll.

>> No.5394743

>>5394738
How about four in the same goddamn room?

>> No.5394745

>>5393062
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIU8axpaYi0

>> No.5394747

>>5394717
Same goes for: >>5392239

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5394752

>>5394712
>>5394743
how about git gud

>> No.5394753

>>5394743
depends on how much cover there is and how many other monsters there are, though there aren't many situations where I'd say four in one room is fun

>> No.5394759
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5394759

>>5394745
> over barrel double mag tube
> break open mag
> bullpup
> forward pump
south africa really likes their weird shotguns

>> No.5394761
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5394761

>>5394752
I win every fucking time. I just don't have fun.

>>5394753
Well yeah, a well-designed arena with lots of cover as a boss-style encounter? That's awesome. Hell, I've seen people put Archviles in rooms in Doom 1 and I had an absolute blast.

But a blank, ordinary sewer corridor with no cover, just a room to run into and suck your thumb in? While 3 Archviles come from both directions? It's about as fun as trying to pull out a splinter from under your toenail. Even if you do it right and succeed, you'll be pretty fucking miserable before and after.

>> No.5394805

>>5394386
In the monster-only mod, the fear levels are dictated mainly by how much damage something dishes out, or rather takes. If your weapon set is really high-power or you find the effect too extreme, you should adjust it with the CVar. It's the best solution I could come up with since in the full mod the actual mechanics are a bit more complex.

>> No.5394818

>>5392963
in Q3A, UT, HL:DM & other arena shooters doomguy & adrian shepard (hgrunt) are always my go to playermodels that if they're not in the game i try to find custom playermodels/skins that add either of them.

>> No.5394819

>>5393606
what if it's holy fire?

>> No.5394823

>>5393693
but i thought the heavy was the d2 chaingunner

>> No.5394824

Are there any wads similar in style to No rest for the living?

>clean classic style design
>exploration, secrets
>less emphasis on hitscanners, revs and archies
>no slaughter

>> No.5394830

>>5393798
I wondered about the Github version too because i thought he added Doom 64 monsters.

>> No.5394839

>>5392763
in my case this was an oxymoron since i help take care of my parents.

but if i wasn't a responsible person i'd have stuffed them in a old folks home and forgot about them.

>> No.5394845

>>5394345
>Paul steed being drunk
>not a regular occurrence

>> No.5394848

>>5394307
She's got terrible seams on her torso and legs that cause the texture to fuck up as soon as she starts running around. All their effort went into the tits.

>> No.5394851

>>5394848
>All their effort went into the tits.
You say it like it's a bad thing/

>> No.5394875

>>5394358
TNT: Revilution.

>> No.5394891
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5394891

>>5394848
>>5394851

truly inspirational for all modders

>> No.5394903

>>5394745
Nowadays we got the DP-12, which is closer to Quake 2 SSG Design

>> No.5394909

>>5394851
They could have fixed up her torso and painted her waist cloth thing a bit lower so we could see her abs. The base texture has them IIRC, assuming the other skins she's got in the Dreamcast (or was it PS2?) port were made from a nude base provided by id.

>> No.5394921 [DELETED] 

>>5393982
i feel like the reason why people even touch political shit is because it's trendy
specially since the major, if not, the only focus of it is identity politics/culture wars or anything you'd see from a twitter checkmark weirdo or a skeptic youtuber's video
so it's always these subjects about sjw's and alt right
i feel like some people don't actually care about politics outside of the "us vs them" bullshit because that's the kind of stuff that just fuels internet slapfights
it's not the same as doomwiki retweeting stuff about article 13 which is about an actual policy that sounds shitty that it could affect a portion of the doom fanbase and it's something that most agree sucks ass, so the latter means there's low potential for slapfights unlike romero saying "trans rights"
this is also why politics are combinde with shit like internet memes/culture, specific buzzwords and fandom discourse: because otherwise politics are so boring, some losers try to make it more appealing to them by mixing with steven universe or warhammer
tldr: political discourse on the internet got worse because of it being combined with certain aspects of internet culture and attracting people who otherwise wouldn't give a shit about actual politics (which is why these groups don't have proper goals)

>> No.5394925

>>5393946
Disagree, but to each their own. I liked female2 better design wise.
I always played as the bloody variant of the guy with the cigar.

>> No.5394949

>>5394925
I dunno - Female2 model looked weird for me. Although I did like the Hannibal Lecter mask on one of the skins.
I always preffered Female1 myself. Usually the blonde in a blue catsuit. She was cute.

>> No.5394950
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5394950

>> No.5394968

>>5394824
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/93184-doom2-redemption-of-the-slain-full-release-and-download/

This map is your friend, anon.

>> No.5394979

>>5393325
the mage was the best simply because of the wandgun

>> No.5394987

>>5394689
Yes.

>> No.5394998

>>5394413
Neat.

>> No.5395006

>>5394413
The sounds need work but this pretty cool.
>the ghosts get angry eyebrows when they see you
>level editor
Fucking excellent

>> No.5395013 [DELETED] 
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5395013

Still messing around with sprite creation. Some ideas but no particular goal.

>> No.5395014

Hey, these ettin look not half bad!
inb4
>Bandicam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK048BbjGU4

Is it possible to make hud models of comparable fidelity in GZDoom WITHOUT tanking the framerate?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EdEcgDGS_Q

>> No.5395015

>>5394738
Depends on the size of a level.

>> No.5395021

>>5394743
Well, application is everything. Is there architecture for you to hide from them, or are you out in the open and just fucked no matter what you do?
I can think of some valid gimmicky rooms using four archies, and they'd be playable, even fun, if done correctly.

>> No.5395026
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5395026

>>5394903
>3D print a suitable looking carry handle and put on top-rail
>remove VFG
>modify sear to drop both hammers when you pull the trigger

>> No.5395035

>>5395013
looking good.
you should probably bake-in some shadows onto her from top-right (about 15-20 degrees from top) and a wee bit forward, to give her a bit more depth

>> No.5395045

>>5395013
if you're going to keep this resolution then do something about the wings because they look like shit

>> No.5395060

>>5394365
I was the guy who made that thread, I fucked up and made it too early

>> No.5395072
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5395072

What are your thoughts on FreeDOOM?

I'm talking about mostly the map quality, the whole 'replacing sprites to make it free software' thing is definitely very cool, but I'm looking at it more from the perspective of "are these maps fun/well-made". Also, what's Doomguy's name there? Freeguy? Freedoomguy?

>> No.5395083

>>5395072
>are these maps fun/well-made
Why not try them out? https://my.mixtape.moe/gphorf.zip

>> No.5395085

>>5395072
I think a lot of the sounds and graphics are a bit on the terrible side. Has some good music.

>> No.5395095

I've been blocked for my post so this is my last reply

>>5395035
doesn't work that well. I need to keep lighting as neutral as possible, so just dome lights.

>>5395045
they are completely folded in here, but you are welcome to create something better

>> No.5395103

>>5395095
Yeah, you should probably make an imgur link or something next time, mods hate titties.
See you in 3 days.

>> No.5395105
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5395105

>>5395095
Maybe reduce amount of wing bones and make the ones that are left thinner, like those of an actual bat?

>> No.5395116
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5395116

>Meanwhile on the indie-trash side of things
Sprite resolution and detail are even lower than of Catacomb 3D

>> No.5395148

>>5395116
While pixel graphics are more time efficient than high res, too many people use "retro" as an synonym for "lazy".
Similarly people seem to confuse "low poly" with "flat shaded". Which makes #lowpoly on Twitter a joke.
Some people get it right, but man it's annoying.

>> No.5395158

>>5395116
Probably because the graphics for Catacomb 3D was made by an actual real artist with a good grasp on making 2D graphics.

>> No.5395179
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5395179

>>5395116
I just wish these faux-retro games would at least attempt to accurately emulate a specific technical specification rather than just make it 'lol so retro'
retro artists would have loved to have 24 bit colour dynamically lit polygon environments and characters with realistic shading but they had to make the most of what they had

those sprites are unreasonably small, there's no restricted palette, lightmaps weren't used until Quake 1 and alpha blended blob shadows weren't used until Quake 3 never mind the probably dozens of post processing effects unity dumps on top of all that crap
and even then it will still run like shit on laptops because modern engines aren't optimized for this kind of stuff

>> No.5395184

>>5395095
yeah, don't post boobs on a blue board, friend

>> No.5395201

>>5395184
4chan sure has changed.

>> No.5395205

>>5395179
And that's a shame because there are game like Project Warlock that do a good job with pixel art.
The indie scene are not professionals sure but that's not an excuse for laziness

>> No.5395209

>>5395201
You were *never* supposed to post images of bare titties on the blue boards.

>> No.5395242

>>5395201
how new are you? you've never been able to post porn on blue

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5395253

>>5395242
how new are you? people never cared unless it was furries

>> No.5395259

>>5395014
i wish Doomsday could work here on my pc, but somehow it crashes every time when put the wad folder

>> No.5395261

Does Marathon have a source port like gzdoom that allows for vertical mouse aiming and higher wide screen resolutions?

>> No.5395264

>>5395085
Some of the older versions had better sounds.

>> No.5395267

>>5395253
people always cared, you fucking newfag

>> No.5395272

>>5395264
I don't agree.

>> No.5395276

>>5395267
Even 10 years ago there were giant, blatant porn dumps on blue boards every once in a while.

>> No.5395281

>>5395276
Which you'd get banned for.

>> No.5395290

>>5395205
>Project Warlock
>good job with pixel art.
you must be joking
I never knew this game by name but I kept seeing it everywhere and it looks disgusting so I never cared. Not only does it look bad it's also got wolf3d style levels. No one likes Wolf3D levels anymore, especially not the original devs.

>> No.5395294

>>5395281
Nobody really gave a fuck. But it was a different era.

Although I feel 4chan may have become too prudish (christian board meme became reality ?) I can't say I miss raids... There's shit I've seen I'd like to unsee.

>> No.5395297
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5395297

>Anons talking about Doom Eternal
>Realizes it is been more than half year since we've seen anything about the game.
Yes, we had that undead skin for the Slayer but that's not something we truly care about. Sure they're taking their sweet timw to polish it and make it better but I would like to know more.
Maybe they don't want to spoil us too much with the info before it comes out.
A demo would be nice though

>> No.5395304

>>5395297
I wouldn't mind another stream similar to the Quakecon except not at QCon.

>> No.5395305

>>5395276
>blatant porn dumps on blue boards every once in a while.
so just like today then, stop being such a tryhard.

>> No.5395307

>>5392140

Realm Of Z-Magic teaser demo released (Dimension Of The Boomed sequel).

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/104723-the-realm-of-z-magic-teaser-demo/

>> No.5395309

>>5395272
The old gib sound is infinitely better than the current one.

>> No.5395320

>>5395290
It's actually really good. The Wolfenstein 3D kind of levels is just ceiling, they're not confusing or samey at all.
Most areas are the same you would see in Doom or Heretic.

>> No.5395330

>>5395294
>Nobody really gave a fuck
but you would still get banned

like what are you even arguing about anymore

>> No.5395331

>>5395309
No, Kegan, it isn't.

>> No.5395335

>>5394717
It's almost as if it's something that happens frequently and annoys many players.

>> No.5395336

>>5395297
Well DICE has been and gone so I don't know when the next opportunity for presentation will be
Marty has said that they're reworking the engine to be more modder friendly, and from what I've seen of 2016's file system and engine it sounds like one hell of a lot of work so I'd expect it would take a while

>> No.5395340

>>5394761
Actually you're wrong, and mappers are always right, and if something is difficult that means it must be good
t. mapping community

>> No.5395345

>>5395340
>oook eeek ooook i'm does beeing ironic in da hizzouse

>> No.5395347

>>5393593
Oh, funny. That's actually what I was playing in, didn't know I needed the patch. Thanks.

I tried it in Zandronum - my port of choice usually - but for some reason any time a shotgun zombie died the game would crash. Not sure what that was about.

>> No.5395359

>>5394386
I think it's less fear and more "OH GOD OH FUCK THERE'S AN ARROW IN MY ARM SHIT"

>> No.5395360

>>5395309
Isn't the old gib sound someone making splosh noises with their mouth?

>> No.5395368

>>5395261
Aleph One? Marathon always had vertical aiming.

>> No.5395390

>>5395331
That wasn't me.
The old gib sound is still better though.

>> No.5395408

>>5395116
I've never seen that before. I feel bad for the devs of that going against Ion Maiden and shit. What game is this?

>> No.5395413
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>>5395297
tfw STILL haven't gotten a single letter from Slayers Club. E3 and Quakecon are so damn far away

>> No.5395419

>>5392139
What should the 2nd SS1 sourceport be called? PRshock? ShockEX? EShock?

>> No.5395435

>>5395408
Catacomb 3D

>> No.5395457

>>5395435
lmfao thanks whats the one on the left mate

>> No.5395459

>>5395435
Ahh, the old 4chan shooterroo

>> No.5395462

shit I mean up

>> No.5395471

>>5395345
do you need water?

>> No.5395475

>>5395459
some indieshit that's on sale at Chrono.gg for $4.5
https://www.chrono.gg/

>> No.5395478
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>> No.5395481

>>5395360
Possibly, the new one is somebody shitting after taking a fuckton of laxatives.

>> No.5395489

>>5395281
And everyone knew you could just reset your router to get around a ban. I'm not saying they weren't against the rules, I'm saying people who weren't mods didn't give a shit.

>> No.5395498

>>5395471
Not him, but yes please. Who could say no to a nice cold glass of water?

>> No.5395505

>>5395478
It's Da Man

>> No.5395510
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5395510

>Black Revenant shouts "I'M FUCKING INVINCIBLE"
Neat, i barely ever seen any mod reference MGR, let alone anything about Metal Gear.

>> No.5395513

>>5392273
just check warosu.org and search around, use quotes around your search to find exact combinations of words

>> No.5395519

Is Ion Maiden worth 20 bux?

>> No.5395528

>>5395519
Yes
https://store.steampowered.com/app/562860/Ion_Maiden/

>> No.5395530

>>5395519
Never buy Early Access until it releases.

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>>5395528
>>5395530
I'm getting mixed messages

>> No.5395548

>>5395542
Don't buy early access regardless of how good it looks. Wait until it releases, then make a judgement.

>> No.5395550

>>5395297
Doom Eternal will come out when it's done

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5395572

>>5395498
ok here's your glass. I'll bring you the water when it's doneĀ®

>> No.5395576

>>5395489
okay, then what are you arguing anymore

>> No.5395579

>>5395390
Agreed. Anything sounds better than "sloppy taco diarrhea recorded from inside the toilet bowl" (though I still think it's a hilarious sound)

>> No.5395580
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>>>/wsg/2709353
NANI?

>> No.5395582
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5395582

Okay this map is incredible. Some of the best atmosphere I've ever seen in Doom, so spooky. And of course the visuals and design are very impressive.

>> No.5395596

>>5392139
Hideous Destructor but for Quake 1, Q2, Heretic, Duke Nukem, and Redneck Rampage.

>> No.5395601

>>5395596
I like the sound of that.

>> No.5395634

>>5395582
What map is it?

>> No.5395641

Finally completed Stronghold. I have to say that i feel like burned out. I don't want to play another ZDoom wad with custom monsters for another year. I want to stay with prboom+ compatible wads. That sounds relaxing enough. No more hordes of 10000hp monsters that throw insta-kill fireballs into everywhere.

>> No.5395645

>smooth doom and alien vendetta on GZDoom 3.7
>spectres clip past me and become invincible when I shoot them with the SSG from medium range
>they still attack fine but shots fly past them

has this happened to anyone else?

>> No.5395646

>>5395634
Deep Sea, Spooktober

>> No.5395682

>>5394851
tits a shit.
abs are forever.

>> No.5395683

>>5395682
but why not both

>> No.5395695

>>5395336
>Marty has said that they're reworking the engine to be more modder friendly
Huh, no shit? Well that explains a lot.
That definitely sounds cool though, imagine Doom Eternal with Elder Scrolls levels of mods.

>> No.5395697

>>5395478
he pew pew

>> No.5395698

>>5395695
Thankfully not the same kinds of mods.

>> No.5395702

>>5395697
but does he click clack clunk

>> No.5395704

>>5395683
Why? It's in the post.
Because tits a shit.

>> No.5395706

>>5394295
>>5394819
I actually hadn't thought of that
Carry on then

>> No.5395716

>>5395704
I don't agree, but I won't attempt to change your tastes.

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5395726

Quads are better

>> No.5395739

>>5395726
that's frickING LEWD, ANON

>> No.5395740

Some people talk about how diverse and twisted hell was in Doom 1 to the point some say it felt more "lovecraftian" than the worlds in Quake
How would you make those dimensions more interesting?
Like, what kind of props, walls/floor/ceiling textures or features do you think Quake needs to feel more interesting?
Because tentacles are obvious but i'm surprised non euclidean wasn't tried officially before

>> No.5395752

>>5395740
Environments made out of living skin, or interior environments that look like they are cut out of solid rock, with unusual angles and architectural features.

>> No.5395754

>>5395740
Who are these people? Do they have eyes? Doom vanilla is way too bright, blocky, and blatantly photobashed to look 'Lovecraftian,' or really unsettling at all.

>> No.5395756

>>5395698
Doom Eternal porn mods when?

>> No.5395765

>>5395510
How does Trailblazer doesn't crash for you with Colourful Hell? It crashes for me when I play Maps of Chaos Overkill. Using GZDoom 3.6.0, because 3.7.2 breaks major stuff and Graf still haven't released the new version that fixes it.

>> No.5395770

>>5395756
^^^^^

>> No.5395774
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5395774

Even if outdated I think Wolfenstein 3D still has charm. How cartoony and over the top is what makes it appealing.
Yes, it doesn't hold a candle compared to Duke3D, Doom, Quake and others but I think it's still a fun game.

>> No.5395780

>>5395765
It only crashes when i abuste the machetterang's alt fire a lot, specially with the infinite ammo power up.

>> No.5395781

>>5395774
Wolf 3D is the one I still haven't actually tried yet. What's the best way to play it?

>> No.5395783

>>5395780
>>5395765
>abuste
Abuse*
Also, i still use GZDoom 3.4.1.

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>>5393098

>> No.5395793

>>5395781
Use Ecwolf
https://maniacsvault.net/ecwolf/

>> No.5395812

>>5395754
It's something to do with the abstract nature of the levels
Noticeably how different elements are combined together and how some of the flesh textures kinda look like tentacles

>> No.5395830

>>5395783
So you don't get stuff like "Out of bounds access to local variables in ACS VM" and such appearing for you?

>> No.5395857

>>5395781
One or two levels a day at most. If you sit down to burn through an entire episode in one go, the repetitive nature of it can really set in.
The original 3 episodes are pretty alright, the Nocturnal Missions are kind of boring, and Spear Of Destiny is kind of ok (don't play the FormGen expansions).

>> No.5395869
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>>5395783
>3.4.1
Is the gentleman's choice for compatibility without dealing the the increasing fuckups that it's been gaining.

>> No.5395928

>>5395783
>>5395869
I've been using 3.4.1 as well.

>> No.5395938

>>5393682
Where did you get the photo of that Genghis Khan statue?

>> No.5395974
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>>5395784

>> No.5395984

>>5395938
I uploaded Doomguy to look-alike search website: http://searchface.ru/

It uses some kind of face recognition algorithm and searches photos in russian social network website (vk.com). It gave me a result with that Genghic Khan statue.

>> No.5396008

>>5395984
Thanks!

>> No.5396028
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>>5393098
Guys help this fucking character model devastated my sides please make this into a meme of some kind in memoriam

>> No.5396050

>>5393098
Ms Chex on the podium sounds awfully quiet for someone speaking into a microphone. If the description is actually just the first five levels and not those from the sequels either, it just seems like a lot of work for such a small amount of maps.

>> No.5396071

>>5392139
The Cacodemon, Mancubus, Imp, Arachnotron, Arch-Vile and Pain Elemental but they have been put into Quake 1 in full 3D polygonal form, now serving either Shub Niggurath or Armagon.

>> No.5396107

>>5396071
it's been done, poorly

>> No.5396110

>>5396107
Pics please.

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>>5396028
Holy shit I didn't even notice this guy

>> No.5396185
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>> No.5396220

>>5395413
> straight outta hell
> one of a kind
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2wzpfPFBlw

>> No.5396303
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5396303

sakuya bones

>> No.5396309

>>5396303
God, that high-res model rip clashes so terribly with the pixelated graphics.

>> No.5396318

>>5396309
then i shall rip sakuya bones straight from the pk3 file and save her from the high res mess

>> No.5396319

>>5394712
>Custom mapset has really cool level design, layout, aesthetic and even tells an interesting story
>Gameplay never gets challenging or interesting, because everyone hates revenants
Thank fuck I don't live in that reality.

>> No.5396324
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and save her i am

>> No.5396328

>>5395793
when is this project going to EVER update to the new shit with Blake Stone and ROTT?

>> No.5396334
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>> No.5396349

>>5394761
>I win every fucking time. I just don't have fun.
I don't understand. If you win everytime, then what is there to complain about?

>> No.5396360
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5396360

i think i know who did the sakuya bone sprites
it is the man of C-KID

>> No.5396364

>>5396349
Chores aren't fun.

>> No.5396375

>>5396360
Looks like the same art style.

>> No.5396384

>>5393982
We haven't relieved the puritan 1910's again. We have to circle a long ways around.

>> No.5396390
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>>5395297
The image you spoke of.

>> No.5396391

>>5396360
>Call of Doom waifu shit
Fuck, I forgot that depressing crap existed.

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>>5395297
After giving it some thought, I realized that we'll likely have to use that gigantic BFG to kill something fuckhuge.

>> No.5396404

>>5396395
I really fucking hope so anon.
The pessimist in me believes that it's just going to sit there and look pretty, like the giant demon skeleton in Doom2016.

>> No.5396407

>>5396404
Imagine a Revenant the size of a skyscraper.

>> No.5396409

>>5396395
ok but imagine this

you detach and carry it as opposed to using a panel to fire it I honestly wouldn't put it past id to pull off something as insane as that

>> No.5396410

>>5396395
probably just a cutscene after pressing a button.

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>>5396407

>> No.5396413

>>5396395
hope its not the final boss
that would be lame

but some giant midboss
like an astral dreadnought
i mean giga cacodemon

>> No.5396418

>>5396413
GIANT
FRIEND

>> No.5396427
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>>5396407
twilight of the gods has a gigantic revenant boss

also
have been spinning ideas about non-boss variants of the bosses
and boss versions of normal enemies
and non-cybernetic versions of the cybernetic enemies (arachnotron, revenant, mancubus, both bosses)

>> No.5396436

>>5395793
What about for Quake 2?

>> No.5396438

Anyone know of any good megawads with a strong focus on techbase-looking levels?

>> No.5396449
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>>5396391
i don't understand

>> No.5396457

>>5396436
ECWolf

>> No.5396458

>>5396436
no ok but actually KMQuake2 is pretty good

>> No.5396461

>>5395645
I experienced this bug, but only when I tried the recommended Universal Gibs + Nashgore combo. Nobody can tell what goes wrong exactly, but it seems than in 3.7+ actors can enter an "undefined state" that results them becoming an intangible corpse and keeps them alive at the same time.

>> No.5396463

>>5396349
I figure what he means is; imagine you could beat nuts.wad, would it actually be very fun to do it?

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>>5396449

>> No.5396475

>>5396364
But is it really a chore if it's so easy to do it every time? Sounds more like a sleepwalk at that point.

>> No.5396476

>>5396438
THT Threnody, if you don't mind it not being the full 32.
Also sort of Mutiny, mind that it's reasonably hard on HMP, and like only 12 levels.

>> No.5396478

>>5396438
Back To Saturn X: Episode 1 - Get Out Of My Stations

>> No.5396480

>>5396475
I can cook a big port of chili pretty easy, but it's still time consuming and exhausting, and that's something I like doing.

Imagine spending a lot of time and effort on something you're not really interested in, it's not hard, you can do it, but it's just not fun and you'd wish to do something else.

>> No.5396481
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5396481

>pick up backpack while using guncaster and nashgore vengeance
>game crashes

>> No.5396485

>>5396480
But if you're not interested in the wad's gameplay, then don't force yourself to play it. Plenty of other wads out there. Complaining about a wad not catering to your tastes isn't going to solve anything.

>> No.5396490

>>5394712
Their drive to make interesting encounters on the maps they've made dies off and they just start spamming any old shit, which doesn't even create a good slaughtermap.

It's especially noticeable with full 30+ map wads where you can pretty much pinpoint where their enthusiasm for it dies off a bit and they're just carrying on out of a feeling of commitment to putting out that many maps.

It's part of why there's been an increasing appreciation of mapsets with fewer maps but a consistent level of quality to them.

>> No.5396491

>>5396485
>s-stop complaining then!!
and there we go.

>> No.5396494

>>5396485
I'm not *necessarily* agreeing with him, just clarifying what he's trying to say.
I can see his angle in a way, in that some .wads do kind of just derail into not very fun slaughter at later stages, when it had little indication for it earlier.

>> No.5396495

>>5396490
Have you ever thought, that maybe, some mappers and players in the doom community, actually enjoy such gameplay?

>> No.5396505

>>5396491
>the point
>you

>> No.5396509

>>5396495
Yes, see
>which doesn't even create a good slaughtermap.
You don't get decent slaughtermaps out of somebody getting sick of their own map and getting lazy with monster placement.

Good slaughtermap design is a skill and not the byproduct of a loss of enthusiasm for completing a map that wasn't designed for it.

>> No.5396516
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5396516

you have to give credit when credit is due the creator of this was dedicated to his wad enough to publish a beta hinting he's still working on it and even adding in touhou wiffers something i can't do even though this wad might not be in good taste but at least he made something he liked it's not often you see sakuya bones in doom besides that touhou mod but even that didn't have uniquely made sprites specifically made for that like this has

>> No.5396521
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5396521

also im sure this pk3 was meant to be played with >fitlers
to blend and even out the hi res model rips with the sprites

>> No.5396523

>>5396494
It's true that a lot of wads like to increase encounter sizes in their later halves. But rarely is it fully fledged Slaughter outside of like two or three maps maximum.
But then again, I've seen people here call most Skillsaw maps slaughter, which I find kinda funny.

>> No.5396524

>>5396494
>I can see his angle in a way, in that some .wads do kind of just derail into not very fun slaughter at later stages, when it had little indication for it earlier.
Post of the fucking thread right here.

>> No.5396526

>>5396509
But whos an example of a mapper losing enthusiasm and resorting to slaughter out of laziness?

>> No.5396532
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>>5396521
>numetal band posters
>room has military grade boxes
>MP5
>blood on the floor
>anime grill school shooter wad confirmed

>> No.5396540

>>5396532
Don't recognize Do It?

>> No.5396550
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5396550

redpill me on Outlaws, worth playing?

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>>5396540
Totally forgot about it, that being said I'd love to play a wad where you play as a qt anime grill school shooter, if only for the novelty of it.

>> No.5396552

UNLOVED is nearly a decade old

>> No.5396556

>>5396550
Yes. Don't expect Doom-style run & gun action though. Everybody is a glass cannon, your weapons can one-shot most enemies and they can kill you very quickly (even quicker on hard mode). It's all about shootout-style peaking in & out of cover, and clearing out the baddies room by room.
Also, make sure to use the DGVoodoo wrapper for a modern, pleasant experience.

>> No.5396565

>>5396490
>>5396509
What mapsets were like this?

>> No.5396579

>>5396556
nice, gog version seems to use nglide and runs really well.
I guess you can't disable texture filtering?

>> No.5396587

>>5396579
With DGVoodoo, under DirectX, there's a "force point sampled" option.

>> No.5396589

>>5396565
I wouldn't call it bad for it, or anything (though one or two of the maps looked kind of dogshit), but New Gothic Movement started basically as just a good rough fight after another, harder than I was used to, but I found it was pretty fun, because the encounters were kind of inventive.
Then the level opens up to a pyramid stacked with cuntloads of enemies, and I realize here, this is not the kind of .wad that's for me, and that this is what happens when you go into a .wad blind.

I enjoyed it while it lasted, then after that I kind of just put on cheats and flew around looking at the maps, some which were pretty.

>> No.5396591
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Here's a good recent example of maps getting lazy and replacing interesting level design with enemy spam. Eviternity map 14. There are multiple cramped arenas where you're just locked in and forced to survive wave after wave of enemies, following similar patterns (medium enemies -> tough enemies -> obligatory archvile). Very creative. Who the hell actually thinks that's fun? Does everyone not prefer actual level design? It's not even fun arena gameplay in the style of Serious Sam or Doom 4, there's barely any room to dodge or move in general.

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>> No.5396595

>>5396551
I guess you have played the RPG Maker game right?

>> No.5396597

>>5396587
thanks, I'll look into it

>> No.5396609

>>5396591
I've never liked killing loads of monsters, I find it tiresome. My favorite aspect has always been the exploration. Look for the keys and kill stuff as you find your way to the exit, also secret hunting. I think I'm in the minority. Most of what I play inevitably becomes a slaughterfest at some point and that's when I go find a different wad to play.

>> No.5396620

>>5396589
Curse of D'sparil gets a bit like that, amazing architecture but it's like the monsters were an afterthought.
>>5396609
I don't think you're in the minority, it's a divisive subject and some dudes like to use it to toss themselves off.

Personally I like all sorts of maps, but I don't go into a vanilla-ish wad looking for five hundred imps and six cyberdemons crudely pasted into one room.

>> No.5396621

>>5396609
Preacher did a great job with big monster counts IMO. Because for one thing, there's plenty of space to move around, and not too many lock-ins. For another thing, a big chunk of the monsters are actually popcorn like imps & soldiers. So it's not a slog of mowing through massive crowds of bullet sponges like in traditional slaughtermaps.

>> No.5396628

>>5396589
I kinda doubt Newgothic would be an example of the mapper doing slaughter due to lack of enthusiasm. ArmoredBlood is known for that gameplay style.

>> No.5396631

>>5396621
i like low tier slaughter
like DVII map01
chaingun VS 100 zombiemen set in a row

>> No.5396637

>>5396631
I wouldn't even call that low tier slaughter.

>> No.5396639
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5396639

>>5396593
how does Kurashiki draw'em cacos good

>> No.5396648

Personally the best kind of difficulty IMO is Plutonia style where it's more about really evil monster placement then just vomiting enemies everywhere. Then again, MAP32 of Plutonia is pretty much the first slaughtermap.

>> No.5396652

>>5396639
Practice and actually working improving.

>> No.5396654

>>5396652
working on improving, fuck.
She's also mentioned hitting CTRL+Z a lot, which makes sense. I often have to redraw lines several times before I get one I'm happy with

>> No.5396656

>>5396591
Playing this map right now. When does it become slaughter? Cause so far seems like standard modern gameplay to me.

>> No.5396657

>>5396628
I know, I guess it's not a good example that way.

>> No.5396661

>>5396656
Keep playing, it takes a bit to get to the parts I was referencing and they stick out like a sore thumb from the rest of the level.

>> No.5396663

>>5396654
and in other words USE THE LOOMIS BALL?

>> No.5396669

>>5396663
No, just keep drawing, take notes from elsewhere, get criticism from people.

>> No.5396673

>>5396669
Not him but no Loomis?

>> No.5396675

>>5396673
I have no idea how useful Loomis actually is. I see it memed about all the goddamn time in /agdg/

>> No.5396683

>>5396661
Ah yeah. Not really fully slaughter, but I definitely can see what you mean. I honestly found Eviternity's new monsters more annoying than the arch-viles, though. Besides them, I didn't mind the level.

>> No.5396689

What are the best wads for Heretic? Something that uses new textures would be nice and fresh.

>> No.5396694

>>5396689
Elf Gets Pissed and History of Fruit are probably the best known ones, Realms of Dr Chaos isn't bad either.

Also on the new textures front, this is a good one. https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=37575

>> No.5396709
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>>5395698
Why? I'm sure Loverslab would be happy

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>> No.5396729

>>5396683
Eviternity honestly really needs a Vaccinated Edition. I didn't mind Valiant's new monsters, but Eviternity's are pretty awful, I gotta say.

>> No.5396771

>>5396729
You talking about RC1, or version 1.0 where the pistol's faster, cyberbarons and nightmare demons have less hp and astral cacos do less damage?

>> No.5396774

>>5396771
I'm talking 1.0. Yes, they're not as OP as they once were, but I still dislike them.

>> No.5396780

>>5395756
HDoomHD?

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>>5396709
>Devious Devices for Doom Eternal with 100+ plugins that require it

>> No.5396785

>>5396395
Man, that's like BFG Over nine thousand!
The BFG 9 million!

>> No.5396792

>>5396783
>Hey guys, here's my futa doomgirl mod, with bodyslide support

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>>5396792
But is it compatible with Brutal Doom?

>> No.5396817

>>5396712
What's going on here?

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>>5396813
Brutal HDoom when?

>> No.5396849

>>5396591
I generally don't like slaughter either, but Eviternity has been alright even in those moments - they never feel overwhelming even if there is an army before you, and ammo with health replenishments are sufficient and clearly accessible without having to trial-and-error the encounter a few times to scout for them in the heat of battle.
I've finished it all and even the final slaughtery boss was not bad IMO.

>> No.5396929

>>5395830
At least i don't recall it.

>> No.5396931

>>5396461
But smooth already has gore options wouldnt that crash the mod at loading?

Activating SSG gibbing is a pleasure better than most gore and brutal mods

>> No.5396934

>>5396849
Eviternity's crowd encounters are kinda like Skillsaw's megawads, I find. Where its got bigger numbers than Plutonia, but nowhere near resembling the likes of Hell Revealed 2 or Sunder.

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Speaking of the BFG10K i'll repost something from threads ago.
>I have came up with a theory for the BFG10K in Eternal and it's this:
>>The BFG10K isn't the big cannon on Phobos
>>It is, however, being used as a source of power/fuel for the cannon, just to make it powerfull
>>Doomguy must go to the area with the cannon, to take the actual BFG, which is then a new weapon in the game
>So, either there are three special weapons (Chainsaw, BFG10k replacing 9000, not-crucible) or not and i don't know what to expect for 10k's gameplay.
>I just thought of this because if the sword will replace the BFG, then we may not have an actual BFG as part of the gameplay.

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continuing with the mutant imps, i just finished this boi right here

>> No.5397063

>>5397061
>>>/v/

>> No.5397064

>>5397062
Cool

>> No.5397169

New thread.

>>5397165
>>5397165
>>5397165

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