/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.5377747]

Are Japanese Windows games the final frontier as far as preservation goes?

[Anonymous No.5377784]

>>5377747
What did he mean by this?

[Anonymous No.5377787]

>>5377747
Korean windows games are even rarer.

[Anonymous No.5377802]

>>5377784
He’s quoting a Hardcoregaming 101 article.

[Anonymous No.5377847]

>>5377802
HG101 quote would be "Are Japanese Windows games the final frontier of misogny and pedophilia"

[Anonymous No.5377881]

>>5377747
yes, but 90% of anything worth your time has been already dumped

[Anonymous No.5377887]

>>5377881
>but 90% of anything worth your time has been already dumped

Like most of Artdink, System Soft, Koei and Kogado Studios catalog?

[Anonymous No.5377916]

>>5377747
Provided that Japanese cellphone games have already been lost for good.
Windows preservation is a mess but the games won't just disappear.

[Anonymous No.5378123]

>>5377916
we don't even have proper means for running windows 98

[Anonymous No.5378131]

>>5378123
ReactOS, Wine and VMs.

[Anonymous No.5378134]

>>5377916
>Mana's "La nuit blanche" cell phone ringtone to promote Harmony of Dissonance will forever be lost
I want to think there's at least a few diehard gothic lolitas mana fangirls in Japan that still keep an old 2002 keitai with it. it's the only hope.

[Anonymous No.5378181]

>>5378131
>ReactOS, Wine
kek

>VMs
most vm software doesn't provide compatible hardware for Win98. in virtualbox you can play games with software renderers at most.

[Anonymous No.5378185]

>>5378181
What Windows 98 games even used hardware rendering?

[Anonymous No.5378203]

>>5378185
You're joking, right?

[Anonymous No.5378207]

>>5378203
I can't think of any Japanese Windows 98 games with 3D graphics.

[Anonymous No.5378239]

>>5377847
I hate what they have become. Is everyone today turning into limp-wristed beta orbiters?!

[Anonymous No.5378249]

>>5378207
Maybe you should stay out of conversations you know nothing about, then?

[Anonymous No.5378252]

>>5378249
That wasn't released in Japan.

[Anonymous No.5378461]

You'd think the Japanese would be a little better with archiving stuff. Maybe it's due to piracy laws in Japan.
I miss this one game I can't find anymore. It used to be available on Mandarake but nobody is selling it anymore on the auctions. I used to have it downloaded on an old Windows 2000 computer but that computer died.

[Sage No.5378465]

>>5378239
Make a tough American gaming blog that doesn’t take shit from NOBODY

[Anonymous No.5378469]

>>5378461
Yeah it's definitely because of piracy laws. They are extreme in there. They will only share copyrighted stuff in private or very anonymously and low-key. No huge attention-drawing releases like here (exceptions exist but that's how it goes most of the time).

[Anonymous No.5378715]

What happened to those archive.org uploads of games like Labyrinthe or Samurai Mech?

>>5378461
>>5378469
Pretty sure they have their own p2p networks like Winny, Share, and Perfect Dark. The latter is where a lot of doujin games got leaked first, and tons of other like ROTK and NA games that are unavailable elsewhere outside of Chinese and Korean dlsites.

[Anonymous No.5379186]

Shitty games deserve to be forgotten. It's gone and not even japs care.

[Anonymous No.5379217]

>>5379186
[citation needed]

[Anonymous No.5379226]

>>5379217
I'm citing my dead grandparent and the fact the japanese pc game archive is ran by a frenchman.

[Anonymous No.5379392]

If Redump.org & the others offered a Japanese translation of their site & their dumping instructions, along with a Japanese subforum/mod, they would probably get some actual help. I still think it's hilarious that as much as this whole "preservation" thing is concerned, the No-Intro & Redumpers have consistently ignored doing any of the official PC updates for even the western trash. It would have been an easy thing to do; just go to official sites and start archiving them. Of course, everyone's too busy preserving demo discs & prototypes no one really wants.
It wouldn't be too hard to go on Winny & Share, get the discs yourself & start datting them, but that would probably take too much effort for the average /vr/ leech.

[Anonymous No.5379454]

>>5379392
I could never get Winny or Share to work.

[Anonymous No.5379467]

I forget the name (have the link somewhere though) but there's a site for old PC stuff that has lots of old previously undumped japanese/korean/taiwanese games.
But their requirements are quite strict, there's only one way to get access to their archives and it's by uploading an undumped game they don't have.

[Anonymous No.5379475]

>>5378123
>that anon who threw away his older PCs
wew

[Anonymous No.5379518]

>>5379454
You could try Shareaza, too.

[Anonymous No.5379535]

>>5379467
Could you post the link if you find it?
I kind of doubt I have something they don't, but it's worth a check.

[Anonymous No.5379554]

>>5379467
torrent site?

[Anonymous No.5379609]

>>5379186
i too, as a le epic retro gamer, am more concerned with the legacy of LJN games & Action 52 than obscure old RPGs, Strategy, Adventure and Simulation games

[Anonymous No.5379620]

>>5378461
on the other hand you can find an old game much easier in Japan (aside of stores that started price gouging to account for western retrohoarders)

there are few websites that archive doujin games that matter such as doujinstyle or nicoblog unless you're looking for preserving myriads of generic school dating VNs

[Anonymous No.5379627]

>>5379392
there are way too many releases and re-releases and re-releases of re-releases in PCgaming world for complete preservation of every PC game in the world. just when you though you preserved all 20 different Quake 2 discs, bam there was a cover disk from Albanian gaming magazine featuring it that isn't available anymore. It's a fool's errand.

[Anonymous No.5379640]

>>5379620
doujinstyle is pargely abandoned after the discord migration, especially the music links to mediafire are dying. Doujingravity is still maintained

[Anonymous No.5379679]

>>5379640

Fucking D*scord

[Anonymous No.5379985]

>>5379627
>hurr durr, it'll never be 100% so don't try at all
It is nice to know that instead of just dumping one version of Quake and moving on, you're the types of retards that actually do buy 20 copies.

[Anonymous No.5380006]

>>5377747
Yeah coz they're not featured in any of Frank Cifaldi's EGM or Nintendo Power magazines :^)
>>5379392
Redump are a joke. They can't even handle systems that got released in the USA and have a relatively small library compared to Japanese PC. And these systems already have multiple 100% complete perfectly working sets by other groups.

[Anonymous No.5380064]

>>5379640
>Migrate from a permanent user hosted platform
>To a app based nightmare

[Anonymous No.5380167]

>>5380064
but it's free!

[Anonymous No.5381131]

>>5380006
IIRC, isn't the Neo Kobe FM Towns dump missing a few games?

[Anonymous No.5381292]

>>5380006
>Yeah coz they're not featured in any of Frank Cifaldi's EGM or Nintendo Power magazines :^)
I mean if it's not made in america why would it end up in an american museum. I'm sure he has enough to do already.

[Anonymous No.5381309]

>>5377747
Anyone knows where I can grab this game now that IsoZone died?

[Anonymous No.5381327]

>>5381131
Quite a few.

[Anonymous No.5381680]

>>5377747
I think the DOS and Windows games from China/Taiwan and Korea has information regarding them more difficult to come by. I stumble onto some old PC games from those regions and find them fascinating and wish to download them to play.

>>5377787
For Korean Windows, I am only familiar with the Softmax games like War of Genesis 1-3b, Tempest, Magnacarta, etc. After WinMX. Underground Gamer, and Bit-Gamer went away,I have nowhere lease I can get the cool stuff from anymore.

>>5378252
Just 2000 JPY at 7-11 says otherwise. Green blood tho.

>>5379454
Me too.

[Anonymous No.5381709]

Just a general question, are there any notable instances where a game that was missing for a long time was actually one that was well-loved and fondly remembered? I ask only because I find it funny if it were that all forgotten software was forgotten just for lack of player interest on release, and that the games, shunned at release, suddenly became valuable not for their quality, but for their rarity caused by no one wanting them. Like imagine what it must feel like to make a game that nobody cares about beyond the fact that no one cared about them.

[Anonymous No.5381717]

>>5381292
IIRC the french dude who runs the Game Preservation Society made the argument that at one point, Japan too didn't give a shit about their cultural output, and also made parts of it illegal (ie. ukiyo-e prints). People from other places helped to take it out of Japan and preserve it until the country came around to appreciating their own cultural works. The french guy saw Japanese computer games in a similar light, that they would someday be appreciated where currently they are mostly seen as old junk.

[Anonymous No.5381723]

>>5379392
LOL redump is too autistic to accept any rips from p2p japan, you have to have the disc and do it their special way

[Anonymous No.5381730]

>>5381723
asshole

[Anonymous No.5381735]

>>5381717
>illegal (ie. ukiyo-e prints)
Uncensored Syunga or what?

[Anonymous No.5381736]

Yes
https://pastebin.com/UxqCzfuE

[Anonymous No.5381738]

>>5381730
bakudd detected

[Anonymous No.5381818]

>>5381736
"missing" in what sense?

[Anonymous No.5381832]

>>5381680
>I think the DOS and Windows games from China/Taiwan and Korea has information regarding them more difficult to come by.

I'm wondering why this is the case, given the overall laxer attitude Koreans and Chinese have towards piracy in contrast to the Japs.

[Anonymous No.5381852]

>>5381818
Not uploaded to the internet, unless you were able to find it somewhere then the list is outdated. If you own it would appreciate if you could upload.

[Anonymous No.5381885]

>>5381730
Is it not hard for them to include the currently known .bin/.cues and then verify them later? They're so retarded that they've wasted countless hours trying to re-verify shit that was already dumped on their list, just because they didn't trust one dumper named Nexy.
You could even search for "Nexy" on their dumb Discord if you want to see.
https://www.preservegames.org/p/how-to-join-project.html

[Anonymous No.5381905]

>>5381885
I think it would also be hilarious if we signed up for Redump, got some of these scans and then pretend we dumped them ourselves.

[Anonymous No.5382814]

>>5381738

[Anonymous No.5382821]

>>5381309

who knows, maybe it'll be there when retrozone sets up their domain separate download section.

[Anonymous No.5382824]

>>5382814
Kind of owned

[Anonymous No.5383017]

>>5377747
No, but they're really popular with weebs who are too lazy to do anything except check auction sites.

[Anonymous No.5383780]

>>5381885
>Is it not hard for them to include the currently known .bin/.cues and then verify them later?
what's the point of adding stuff you know to come from an unreliable source? to scratch an autistic OCD-itch?
>They're so retarded that they've wasted countless hours trying to re-verify shit that was already dumped on their list, just because they didn't trust one dumper named Nexy.
it's the only way to confirm a rip, to have it ripped from a different source from a different dumper resulting in the same file.

they got tons of discs which were just dumped once, I'm sure there are an awful lot of bad dumps among them. latest example was some gamecube-games from some troll (probably you kek).

[Anonymous No.5383943]

>redump apologists
enjoy your taiwanese copy of myst while I search for the real lost games

[Anonymous No.5384089]

Did anyone find the expansions for GEO the Sword Millennia yet
Full game is public with a bit of digging but not the expansions

[Anonymous No.5384104]

>>5377747
Japanese mobile games are worse, even relatively high profiles ones such as the mobile Rockman Legends or the Star Ocean Blue Sphere remake.
I wish I could get my hands on those.

[Anonymous No.5385640]

>>5381832
I think it is just a focus on Japan such that the Korean scene was ignored. There are at least the specialized interest magazines and books in Japan for games, but not really as large a publishing scene about games in Korea and China. Possibly due to culture and political reasons gaming was not marketed as much. I think of the stereotypical Korean story where kids are to study all the time, gaming is superfluous, and so they convinced parents computers have the functionality to help with studies, and so Starcraft was popular.

[Anonymous No.5385839]

What ever happened to that guy who was going to dump over 100+ Japanese games, and he had dumped about 70 of them?
Also, why the fuck about people that have prototypes and betas so fucking autistic when it comes to sharing what they have?

[Anonymous No.5385842]

>>5385839
Is that Ryu Knight?

[Anonymous No.5385852]

>>5385839
Acquiring these demands a certain level of autism in the first place. Normies don't care.

[Anonymous No.5386001]

>>5385839
Wasn't he some cunt that wanted nobody outside of his private tracker circle to play them? Pretty sure he's still upset about Saint giving him the middle finger and uploading a playthrough of Zeddas 3.

[Anonymous No.5386058]

>>5378123
>>5378131
>>5378181
PCem niggas. Stop living on the last decade.

[Anonymous No.5386340]

>>5385839
Don't or care what happened to the guy but I got 100+ roms he was hoarding
Most people who have things they got by investing time or money don't like to give them away. In the unlikely chance you ever own something of value you'll probably feel the same way.

[Anonymous No.5386831]

>>5385839
>>5386340
The mega link doesn't have everything?

[Anonymous No.5387036]

>>5386831
>The
lol. No. They don't.

[Anonymous No.5387056]

>>5386058
>PCem
Sorry but no, one of the developers is literally retarded and constantly starts shit anywhere he goes. Hell you're probably the faggot dev I'm talking about who managed to get banned from /r/emulation for constantly being a mongoloid.

[Anonymous No.5387118]

>>5377787
I'm still surprised as to what games got PC versions for Korea only. I just recently discovered that they got Megaman X7, I never even knew it had a PC version.

[Anonymous No.5387160]

>>5378207
There was a Japanese PC release of Cyber Troopers Virtual-On that supported the Power VR chipset, also the pc version of Resident Evil. Both games are already dump afaik, although I don't know if the versions of Resident Evil that supported Power VR was dumped.

[Anonymous No.5387252]

>>5386831
Got the mega link?

[Anonymous No.5387253]

>>5387252
Oh, and are any of them playable in English?

[Anonymous No.5387254]

>>5387252

https://mega.nz/#F!y3xREIQJ!yt3XqFtRnOoRp5pFRu6j4A

https://mega.nz/#F!t1dkSKwD!seEdpDWtMCEkC71yPJ89Pg

[Anonymous No.5387270]

>>5387254
Thanks, anon.

[Anonymous No.5387284]

>>5382824
:niceos:

[Anonymous No.5387464]

>>5381680
I had that Planescape Torment / Soulbringer combo pack. Soulbringer was an interesting game that had good atmosphere from what I remember

[Anonymous No.5387481]

>>5387254
Brooooooooo

[Anonymous No.5387523]

>>5387254
thanks brah!

[Anonymous No.5387559]

>>5386340
If I had such a collection I would try and propegate them to help preserve them (one bad fire and they're done.) The physicals would still be just as rare. I am autistic about data disappearing so I would be the opposite of a hoarder, especially if it means everyone could play it and help dig deeper for juicy secrets

[Anonymous No.5387624]

>>5377747
PC games in general are still full of gaps preservation-wise, even American-made DOS games. For example, I don't think anyone ever found that early 90s shareware S.T.A.L.K.E.R. trilogy.

[Anonymous No.5387814]

>>5387624
Is it based more off the novel?

[Anonymous No.5387816]

>>5385839
Probably not in this case, but in some cases there's degrees of trust needed to acquire these things. Especially among Japanese people it seems. Japanese don't seem to value preservation as much and seem OK with things being ethereal. Atleast when it comes to games it seems... I think it's that emulation never really had the same impact over there. Nor did piracy/filesharing I think.

Anyway, from what I've been told, the scene for acquiring rare JP game prototypes involves building years of trust among collectors. In the arcade prototype PCB world, it involves trusted individuals who collect their own rare boards, and will do brief swaps with a collector so they can each play the games. That individual would then have a short amount of time to try to dump the game and preserve it before he has to return it to get his rare (and often times more valuable) board back. If his dump ever appeared online, then that would break the trust he built up. Because of this, I've been told there are actually several rare and sought after prototypes out there preserved, but they may not be ever released for quite some time, if ever.

Also the Japanese collectors of prototypes and rare games never want to circulate their images or roms, but they may back up and preserve their games solely as a way of protecting their investment.

Anyway, this is all just stuff I've been told. Alot of these rare PC and doujin games are fucking expensive as hell and never undumped. If I was rich, I'd definitely make it a life goal to preserve as much of Japanese PC gaming as possible.

[Anonymous No.5387895]

>>5387816
>Nor did piracy/filesharing I think

what is Winny or Perfect Dark

[Anonymous No.5388456]

>>5387895
Just because there is a filesharing scene in Japan doesn't mean that it had as big an impact as elsewhere. For example Japanese still buy CDs and DVD box sets cost a shit-ton.

[Anonymous No.5388718]

>>5387464
Yeah I got it from either Safeway or King Sooper. I was only interested in Planescape Torment for $5 (+$0.50 tax in my area), the inclusion of Soulbringer as a bonus free game with the proudly self-proclaimed "1999 game of the year" was a deal. That pack must've been everywhere as even going grocery shopping, one can just add a couple of cool cheap games along with the food items. I haven't really played Soulbringer, and I hope to finish the J-Win98SE machine and get around to it with your recommendation.

[Anonymous No.5388745]

>>5377847
is that seriously what hg101 is now, i haven't been there in ages

[Anonymous No.5388857]

>>5387816
>preserved
>not released
Pick one

[Anonymous No.5388860]

>>5388718
>Castle Fantasia 2
My man

This game brings back memories as it was one of the first VNs I played

I've been thinking of buying the dreamcast version for fun. Seems to be a lot of neat Japanese only visual novels on the dreamcast.

[Anonymous No.5388862]

>>5387816
Why does the homeland for so many video game companies have such a fucking backwards culture in regards to this?

It just fucking depresses me knowing how much we're being locked out of. I wish there was some Robin Hood type who would steal these and upload them.

[Anonymous No.5388878]

>>5388862
>I wish Blastoise was my dad
???

[Anonymous No.5388941]

>>5387056
Nah, I'm not him. Mooch was a retarded tranny that worked on a fork of PCem until he got banned from that. Then he started working on a fork called 86Box until he got banned from that. I don't go to reddit, but he was cancerous in the PCem forums, 86Box IRC and vg/emugen, so it doesn't surprise me that not even fucking reddit would put up with his faggotry.
But the software is good. You need a pretty good processor for it, but you can emulate a Pentium MMX 300MHz with SLI Voodoo 2s.

[Anonymous No.5389496]

>>5388862
>Why does the homeland for so many video game companies have such a fucking backwards culture in regards to this?
The Japanese themselves have a mindset of complete ephemerality. They live on a dogshit, highly active fault-line, and their national symbol is a volcano that is known to be active and could erupt any day.

This is why they make houses out of paper, and design them to only last 20 years. They have no space, so they don't horde anything, second-hand shops in Japan do a crazy amount of business because of how much stuff people resell. The Japanese idea of preservation is garbage like the virtual console or NES mini, updated versions of a tiny selection of games that work on modern hardware.

[Anonymous No.5389531]

>>5387624
https://www.old-games.ru/game/5334.html
This russian site has many rare shareware games. There's also lots of japanese, taiwanese and korean games.

[Anonymous No.5389532]

The final frontier for autistic 20 somethings from the west.

[Anonymous No.5390703]

>>5389496
They have a "customer is always wrong" consumer culture, that lets them put up with accepting only being able to play re-releases.

It's gotta be up to the West to preserve their culture unfortunately

[Anonymous No.5390743]

>>5388878
newfag detected lol

[Anonymous No.5391185]

>>5388745
apparently yes

[Anonymous No.5391193]

>>5389496
>>5390703
not to mention, arrogance, ego and stubborn superstitious pride

[Anonymous No.5391198]

>>5391193
You're just describing most of humanity.