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I had both a Nintendo 64 and a PlayStation when I was a kid, but I never knew anybody who had a Sega Saturn. The only time I've even seen the console IRL was at a Circuit City kiosk many years ago. I've always been intrigued by the Saturn, and I'm considering acquiring one. I'm aware it's something of a niche console and I've seen the games fetch some pretty high prices. I'm not worried about trying to build a Saturn game collection as long as I can somehow play the games off of an actual Saturn console.

Will I need a modchip to play burned discs (like a PlayStation) or is there some sort of flashcart?
How much money should I be prepared to spend on a working console and the necessary peripherals?
Is there a particular model that I should keep an eye out for?

>> No.5346338
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5346338

My greatest regret is asking my parents for a ps1 and not a Sega Saturn.

>> No.5346347

>>5346321
> https://google.com
> ~300
> no

Fucking spoonfeeding

>> No.5346438

>>5346347
I was hoping to discuss the topic with people who enjoyed old video games and not bitter old NEETs who are primarily concerned with feeling like they're part of an elite secret club

>> No.5346449

>>5346321
There's an ODE for the Saturn but it's a bit tricky to pick one up. Dude only opens orders every few months and they sell out in a few minutes. It legit and worth the bit of patience to get one as it'll open up the whole library for you and it's relatively inexpensive. I love mine. Just subscribe to the guys blog for updates.

https://gdemu.wordpress.com

>> No.5346452

Saturn is probably the most under rated system of all time.

>> No.5346467

>>5346321
You don't have to have a modchip to play backups but there is a little tab you will have to tape down to trick the system into thinking its lid is closed when you perform the swap trick. There's tutorials on youtube detailing this process.

>> No.5346484
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5346484

>>5346452
No, it's quite overrated by dumbass weeaboos who think it could've been saved if Faggy Animu Jarpig #9000 had been localized in the west.

>> No.5346572

The have a action replay cart with pseudo saturn to play burned CD's of games.

Don't order the grey Japanese saturn it's the hardest one to hack.

The saturn is worth getting especially if your 35-45 you will get to see what you were missing out on

>> No.5346576

>>5346452
Saturn had a poor launch between the confusion of 32x and saturn.
.plus saturn had a pricey retail price

>> No.5346587

>>5346438
If you want discussion, you could have literally posted the same thread without dumbass questions that five seconds in google will answer.

>>5346484
Also this.

>>5346572
Action replay fits in the grey saturn just fine.
The universal modchip courtesy of the canadian dude also works just fine in it.
So basically it's not "harder to hack", you're just retarded.

>>5346449
There's also the currently-in-development Satiator solution, but you can

>> No.5346593

>>5346452
Saturn isn't "under rated" any more because it's basically hipster catnip.

It's a fun system, yes, but it's not THE MOST UNDER RATED SYSTEM EVA, jesus, get over yourselves people.

>> No.5346596

>>5346438
>on 4chan
>Looking for answers from not bitter old NEETs

Do you even sage

>> No.5346669

>>5346484
Yep this. They think Grandia would have single-handedly saved the system while ignoring that game was out on the Playstation too.

>> No.5346737

If you reflash an action replay with pseudo Saturn Kai and leave it in the expansion slot that will allow you to play burned games. PSK writes over the save game part of the action replay so you won't be able to save games on it anymore, but you can get the action replay with the ram cart built in so you will still have that. Will have to rely on internal battery save which is unfortunate.

>> No.5346765

>>5346593
ok. name another system with a large library of good games that wasn't marketed well and flopped. I think the Saturn is a least a contender.

my opinion that it's underrated has been one I've held for 14 or 15 years, back when I was working at a used vidya store and my buddy turned me on to it with the panzer dragoon series

>> No.5346785

>>5346484
You shut your whore mouth, Bernie.

>> No.5347041

>>5346669
I've never seen a single person here give a shit about 20 year old sales figures. Only lamenting that great games were not localised, as was the case with Grandia.

By the way, Grandia was released on PS1 a whole 2 years after the Saturn version, and more than a year after the Saturn was discontinued, and still went on to sell over 300,000 copies.

Now back to /v/ with you.

>> No.5347054

>>5347041
I've totally and absolutely seen people blaming Bernie Solar for not saving the Saturn by skipping Grandia but I'm too lazy to look it up on warosu.
Let's just say this, localizing the Xmen vs Street Fighter would make far more business sense.

>> No.5347057

>>5347054
I'm sorry, that was Tom Kalinske not Bernie Stolar.

>> No.5347065

>>5347054
People are just discussing the facts. The 'why did the Saturn fail' question gets asked every week on here. Bernie Stolar also fucked the Atari Jaguar and the PS1's 95-96' library as well.

X-Men vs. Street Fighter was released in Japan on 27th November, 1997. By that point the Saturn was completely dead in the West.

>> No.5347069

>>5347065
Yeah and weeabos bitch and whine about cockblocking Grandia and not giving PD Saga and Shining Force 3 a larger print. As if that that niche genre have saved the console in the west.

>> No.5347074

>>5347069
>Yeah and weeabos bitch and whine about cockblocking Grandia and not giving PD Saga and Shining Force 3 a larger print. As if that that niche genre have saved the console in the west.

Final Fantasy VII was the second best selling game on the PS1 overall. It was the game that did usher in the JRPG fad into the western markets. But to be honest, Sega never had their own FFVII with any of the mentioned JRPG's on their system. PD Saga and Shining Force 3 are top tier JRPG's for their time. But they didn't hold the weight or the hype of FFVII. Doubtfull they would have made a dent. Sega really made their own coffin with the Saturn in the west.

I had a Sega Saturn and N64 back then, and did not own a PS1 until way later. I loved the Saturn as a console, but it could not compete with the sheer volume of games and the lower price points of the PS1. Sony had all the best third parties on lock on their system that generation.

>> No.5347076

>>5347069
I'm annoyed it was blocked because we never got the best version of the game. Nothing Sega done then would have saved their console in the West. Bernie Stolar said it himself in June 1997 that the console was dead.

I don't think weeaboos care about western conversions though, they would much rather play the Japanese version anyway.

>> No.5347153

>>5347074
Sony didn't have all the 3rd-parties, not to begin with at least. Sony had Namco and Square Enix, Sega had Working Designs (abandoned Sony after having to deal with Stolar), Treasure and Core Designs (allowed Sony to court them later on). People often forget that the PS1's library only really took off from 1998 onwards, and it didn't have many classics in the first few years of its life.

Sony effectively had a price war with Sega, taking a big cut on every PSX sold. They knew this was a sound strategy as Sega had to take an even bigger hit on the Saturn as it was more expensive to manufacture. Saturns and Playstations were retailing at a third of their original price in 1997, just 2 years after being released.

>> No.5347194

>>5346765
>what is turbografx-16.
>caring about a contender for most underrated system
>worked at a used vidiya store

How onions is your basedbeard?

>> No.5347273

>>5347153
>Sony didn't have all the 3rd-parties, not to begin with at least. Sony had Namco and Square Enix, Sega had Working Designs (abandoned Sony after having to deal with Stolar), Treasure and Core Designs (allowed Sony to court them later on). People often forget that the PS1's library only really took off from 1998 onwards, and it didn't have many classics in the first few years of its life.

They had Konami, Namco, Capcom, EA, Acclaim, Midway, Crystal Dynamics, Eidos and other bigger name publishers on board by 1996. Sony had Crash and Resident Evil in 1996 as well, those were big hits for them. Square Soft didn't release FFVII until 1997, which was one of the biggest games on the system. Most of the biggest games didn't get released until 1998 due to development times. The PS1 was already pretty big by the time the N64 hit the market. They were selling a lot more units than Sega.

>> No.5347291

>>5347273
All of those Publishers you mentioned were multi-platform. Capcom in particular gave massive support to the Saturn, the number of Capcom arcade ports on it is ridiculous. Also the Saturn did eventually get the best version of Resident Evil.

>> No.5347318

>>5347291
>All of those Publishers you mentioned were multi-platform

Except for Namco, which was exclusive to the Playstation. Also, EA stopped supporting the Saturn after 1997 and put all their support behind the PS1.

>> No.5347334

>>5347318
>Except for Namco, which was exclusive to the Playstation
Which is exactly what I said 2 posts up.

>> No.5347358

>>5346321

The key back then for having fun with the Saturn was staying away from the 'mericans. That hasn't changed. They are cancerrrrrrr :(

>> No.5347637

>>5347273
Sony actually paid midway to get into the home console publishing business before Sony gave midway a huge payoff acclaim was the the console publisher of mortal kombat games for midway.

>> No.5347683

>>5346452
Bro, it is literally a fucking ps1 with half the games

It wasn’t even that successful in Japan. Only got less than 20 games in 1999

>> No.5347687

>>5347637
Rather ironic when midway’s games were better on n64

>> No.5347723

>>5347687
Sorry,no midway games in the official "only 8 good N64 carts" list.

>> No.5347732

>>5347723
> Sorry,no midway games in the official "only 8 good N64 carts" list.

Doom 64
San Francisco Rush
Rush 2049
Hydro Thunder (has 4 player)
Gauntlet Legends
Wayne Gretzky 3D Hockey
Wipeout 64

>> No.5348210

>mfw playing Panzer Dragoon Zwei in true widescreen
i don't have a relevant image to convey the emotion but just imagine one of extreme elation

>> No.5348476

>>5346438
The way to discuss something isn't to show up somewhere and ask people to spoonfeed you basic information. The way is to learn as much as you can before hand and then have interesting questions to ask which may lead to an actual discussion. Asking shit google will tell you in seconds is just a waste of everyone's time.

>> No.5348481

>>5347683
Objectively false

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>>5346669
>>5347041
Too bad Grandia sucked balls in the end anyways. And that's from a Sega fanboy

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>>5348476
I don't follow. I did just what you've told me not to, and in doing so I spawned a thread in which Saturn fans are discussing a handful of general topics related to the console (as well as one or two screeching aspies, I suppose)

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>>5348476
I beg to differ. I've gone and done precisely what you've instructed me against, and as a result I've spawned several general Saturn-related discussions. I suppose I could have alternatively started a Saturn general with the caveat that I was looking into acquiring one myself, but on the other hand, you can fuck right off. Bitch.

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5348541

>>5348519
It’s almost like gramps is still with us

>> No.5348550

There is a disc swap trick that is really difficult and can fugg up the console. It is needed to play most burned isos. A modchip is a real must.

BTW, my faves are arcade ports And the Panzer Dragoon trilogy.

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>>5346321
I'm Euro and my first console was a Mega Drive which is still my fav console. I didn't even know the Saturn exists back then so I got a SNES then Playstation,etc. I thought Segas next console was the Dreamcast. Anyways
>necessary peripherals?
If you want to start collecting you need an Action Replay cartridge to bypass the region lock, get extra ram and use it as memcard. Also, you should learn basic Japanese since many games never were localized due to Sega being retarded.

>> No.5348582

>>5346452
No, thats the PC Engine. Great piece of hardware, best arcade ports and hu-cards are amazing.

>> No.5348591

>>5346484
Are there even that many notable jrpgs that didn't get localized in the US?

>> No.5348592

>>5346587
He probably meant it's harder to hack as in it doesn't have a button you can tape down and you have to take the shell off to do the swap trick.

>> No.5348596

>>5346321
i had a n64. got it for my 16th birthday. fucking hated it. yhen my little brother got a Saturn later that year. i bought one in my 20s and my brother n i bought a shitton of games from wolfgames back when they were still relatively cheap. i hot a mod chip from racketboy in 07 for around 25-30$ and downloaded the entire US collection and like 80% of the jap set from underground gamer. ive gotten plenty of milage outta that saturn. it still works. get one, OP. also get a P.A.R.

>> No.5349458

>>5348550
>There is a disc swap trick that is really difficult and can fugg up the console

Complete bullshit on both counts. It's piss easy and it only damages the console if you slam the discs on like a retard.

>> No.5349459

>>5348596
>underground gamer
Speaking of which, anybody knows what the fuck is going on with retrowithin? Even after using the hosts file, their site throws an invalid SSL cert error.

>> No.5349471

Quick question about the action replay disc swap trick to flash it with pseudo saturn. I know I need an authentic game disc to swap, but can I use a disc from a different region code than that of the console? Since the AR will be inserted can I use any authentic saturn disc or do I need to use a game the console can use natively?

>> No.5349494

>>5349471
>do I need to use a game the console can use natively?
yes

>> No.5349505

You have several alternatives when it comes to playing burned (or non legit) games.

First is the good old swap fisk trick, I think you need a legit game for this in order to pass the check. Then there is the action replay cartridge which you can use for pseudo saturn, the compatibility isn't perfect but you can play burned games and don't need to open your console.
Then, there is (or was at least) a modchip called Universal V3 which I used for running burned games. Installing it is pretty easy as it only requires a single solder point to a 5V rail. You gotta be careful with using the correct version of the chip for your console version as there are several revisions of the PCB.
Finally as some anon mentioned, there is now a drive emu, which allows you to use a flashcard instead of disks. Probably the best option in the long run, but they're kinda hard to get.

>> No.5349512

>>5346321
I was one of the only kids in my school that had a Saturn. All of my friends didn't know what any of the games were and generally were more interested in the ports they were familiar with than anything exclusive to the console. I have an ok-ish collection of Saturn games since I always liked playing it even to this day. The original controllers sucked ass, the model 2 ones were so much nicer. I also had an N64 that would get more play with my friends and even my sister too if she joined in a multiplayer game, but the Saturn was a favorite of mine when I'd just pop a game in and be by myself.

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>>5346338
and saving mobile-versions of 4chan-pics.
>>5346449
or you can buy a cheaper clone of it now, which works just as good.

>>5346587
>Action replay fits in the grey saturn just fine.
>So basically it's not "harder to hack", you're just retarded.
>>5346572
>grey Japanese saturn
pic related

>>5346321
get a phantom chip, gdemu clone or usb-gdrom.
zero headaches, and frees the cart-slot.

>> No.5349610

>>5349571
If I get a modchip do I still need to change the bios, or can I pair it with an AR cart for region free backup play?

>> No.5349613

>>5349571
>clone of the rhea
Orly where?

>gdrom, usbgdrom

That's for the dreamcast, you retard

>> No.5349621

>>5349571
There is no Rhea or Phoebe clone. The GDEmu for the Dreamcast has a clone but good luck trying to update firmware on it. USB-GDROM is for the Dreamcast not the Saturn.

>> No.5349781

>>5346321
Get a used jap sat console for like, 30-40 bucks and an action replay 4m plus, which is also just 30 dollars.

This will get you the whole Saturn experience for the same price as a u.s. Saturn console would cost. Don’t make my mistake.

Unless you are a hidden-leaf village headband-wearing Sakura body pillow-hugging fucking weeb, you won’t need to learn moon to play jap imports, there’s alot of imports that are very English friendly. Deep fear is one of them.

And get at least one 100+ dollar game lol, you won’t be taken seriously here unless you do.

>> No.5349808

>>5346484
Don’t post this Nintendo plant

>> No.5349904 [DELETED] 

>>5346338
They tried their best to try to make you normal, rather than someone who had posting on /vr/ in their future.

>> No.5349906

>>5346338
They tried their best to try to make you normal kid, rather than someone who had posting on /vr/ in their future.

>> No.5350428

>>5349571
>mobile-versions of 4chan-pics.

Fuck me, we have "mobile versions" of pics now? This site is getting worse and worse each year.

>get a phantom chip, gdemu clone or usb-gdrom.

sssh. That guy is too stupid to set up a modchip, otherwise he wouldn't suggest using Pseudosaturn, a cart-based solution, on the system with the worst cartridge slot ever released.

>>5349610
You can pair it with an AR for region free gameplay, but if you use backups then it is easier to just region patch your images prior to burning.

>> No.5350454

>>5350428
Ah, you're right ; I can just patch the isos. Well I already bought an AR because I had a bunch of Amazon money so I guess I'll use that for US originals.

>> No.5351470

I got mine for about $70 at a used game store. Works great.

Just get Darius Gaiden

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAl-2iH3a9U

>> No.5353093

Does anyone have a decent source for mod chips?Some guys on forums look like they charge $25 or so while some sites want 40. The forum guys are harder to get a hold of. I have a model 2.

>> No.5353898

>>5353093
>The forum guys are harder to get a hold of.
if you mean assemblergames, both badad84 (euro) and zero (us/can) have forms with which you can contact them, as registration on assembler is dead.

>> No.5353917

>>5353898
Thanks, I sent zero a message through his emailme link/form. Maybe I'll try badad84 too. Thanks.

>> No.5354018

I knew at least one other person besides myself who had a Saturn but I actually forget who they are now (we weren't close friends).

Pseudo Saturn is probably the best way to go if you want to play burnt games. I'm tempted to try it out myself but I feel like there's not enough info out there to satisfy me.

I know it deletes and replaces the firmware of an Action Replay Plus 4M but does it also delete the saves I've got backed up to the cart and can I continue using the backup function once it's reflashed? Pseudo Saturn Kai supposedly retains the AR Plus 4M's cheat functionality so at least that's okay (I never used it myself but I certainly like the option, plus Panzer Dragoon Saga requires a cheat to boot up at all using an ARP 4M).

I'm also concerned that, because I have to tilt my ARP slightly to get it to load, that might have issues with reflashing it. I've also never done the swap disc trick before.