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532068 No.532068 [Reply] [Original]

>playing a remake without having played and mastered the original

>> No.532079

>Playing a remake thinking it was the original.

I still find it weird Dragon Warrior made like over three games just for the NES and each one being better then the last.

>> No.532095
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>> No.532218

So then would you recommend someone go through Link's Awakening and then DX?

>> No.532251
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>>532068
>Preferring to play an inferior version of a game over a plain better alternative

>> No.532332

>>532218
I don't know if I'd consider that a remake though, more of the game and an expansion.

>> No.532401

>>532251
>inferior

>>532218
>added color
>remake

>> No.532454

>>532251
>>>/v/

>> No.532453

>>532068
>playing a remake the way it was meant to be played
fix'd

I understand the sentiment, but seriously...

>> No.532467
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532467

>playing a remake without having played and mastered the original
Nothing wrong with that.

>> No.532468

>>532454

All of you can go to >>>/v/ at this rate.

>> No.532493

>>532467
not retro

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>>532454 >>532468
Chuck it.

>>532068
Depends entirely. Some games simply aged like shit or were crippled by hardware limitations. If it's just a polish over like the La Mulana remake (which is still a very good remake however) then it's really a waste of money. Now, if it's something like the RE remake or the remakes of Lunar 1 and 2 where they are pretty much completely different, it's perfectly forgivable.

>> No.532514

>>532493
It's a remake of a SNES game, you ignorant philistine.

>> No.532517

>>532514
still not retro

>> No.532526

>>532508
Yes, this tactic has worked so well for /v/.s

>> No.532532

>>532493
It is a thread about remakes which I assume remakes of retro games so it applies.

>> No.532547

Going back to the sluggish as fuck original NES DQs after experiencing DQ3 and 6 on the SNES is pretty much impossible. Same goes for the FF remakes which included an autorun option.

>> No.532591

>>532467
but this is a whole new game

>> No.532612

>>532591
But it isn't, it is a full on remake.

>> No.532618

>>532068

how about playing sonic 2 before sonic 1?
how about player super metroid before metroid 1 or 2

how about playing streetfighter II instead of streetfighter?

yea......nah, you're a cunt

>> No.532623

>>532618
That's not even a good comparison. Me think YOU are the cunt

>> No.532638

>>532624

that's what you think

>> No.532624

>>532618
sequels are not remakes.

>> No.532679

>Learn about the original though the remake

Is this worse?

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>>532638

>> No.532690

>>532526
Keep it civil.
Seriously.

>> No.532745

>>532467
This game or the original for that matter any good?

>> No.532793

>>532745
The remake is phenomenal, I can't say much about the original since it never got released to the west and it never got a translation. I heard that there were a bit too many monsters roaming around on the maps thus that could hinder someones enjoyment if they were playing the original.

>> No.532839

>>532508

You can't tell me what to do, lines-and-color automaton.

>> No.532997
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532997

I'm okay with it. Although my very first Ys game was Wanderers from Ys on the SNES. But this was the first time I've played the original "bump-to-kill" gameplay style.

>> No.533108

>>532526
>implying /v/ even uses that tactic at all

People *preach* Report Hide Ignore all the time, but that's a far cry from anybody actually *doing* it.

>> No.533214

I beat Black Mesa Source with only being half way through the original Half Life. I loved the hell out of it and its one of my favorite games of all time. I know I missed Xen but the devs said they are planning to make that into another mod.

>> No.533335

>>532068
Y's book 2. Get fire wand and evil bell. Go to Jira's basement, ring bell, profit.

>> No.533367

>>533108
I meant 'posting that image'.

>> No.533404

>>532332
>>532401
It's an updated port.
I don't think you could consider adapting the same codebase for another platform a "remake". I think a remake would have to have entirely new code to classify as such.

>> No.533414

>>532547

The GBC versions of DQ/W 1-3 are even better.

>nevergoingback.jpg

>> No.533889

i personally see nothing wrong with playing a remake, although for me i always try to find out how true to the original the remake is. if they add a bunch of shit without making it optional, i will play the oldest version that stays true, usually the original unless it's like a final fantasy that's been remade a dozen times. i understand the nostalgia and the plain retro factor of playing the original version of a game, but the simple fact is that many of the older games age poorly, or have a very well done remake that does little to mess with the original feel of the game, and in those cases i prefer to play a remake. that's just me though.

my main problem with this kind of thing is that some people act pretty elitist about "the original" which i think is just a bad attitude in general to have.

>> No.534093

>>532218
Yes, I would, because DX adds the Color Dungeon which gives you a ridiculously overpowered item that breaks the difficulty level.

Also you can't get all the photos without becoming a THIEF.

>> No.534109

XBox 360 remake of Perfect Dark apparently fixes the framerate problems. If that's true then it's strongly recommended instead of the unplayably bad N64 version.

>> No.534479

>tfw playing a remake always makes me want to buy the original

>> No.534567
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534567

>someone playing firered/leafgreen before red/blue/yellow

>> No.534598

Yeah because it's easy to emulate the fucking original YS games that aren't the TurboDuo ones.

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X-Com is the biggest recent offender of this thing as far as I'm concerned. On the surface it looks like it's just a visual upgrade, but it - and I really hate to be saying this - is literally Babby's First X-Com. I still recommend it, but with the huge disclaimer that the remake is pretty much nothing but a pretty tutorial for the old game.

>> No.534672

>>534567
>People who play the PSN/360 version of Sonic Adventure DX and SA2B and assume Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 were flawless

>> No.534846
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Bionic Commando Rearmed is my favorite remake ever. They added so many things to it ait ain't even funny.

But of course, the original game still can't be beaten.There's nothing like it.

>> No.535030

>>534567
the original pokemon's have not aged well, that's all there is to it. mechanically they are shit compared to the newer ones, and gen three remakes of the first two games were amazing.

>> No.535073

Hey, I downloaded both. Someone just told me certain parts were practically impossible in the original.

>> No.535327

>>535030
I loved those remakes, but could never get into the actual sequels (although I must admit I only tried the first generation of sequels before giving up)

>> No.535354

>>534846
This. Its the very image of an ideal remake.
It fixed things that were actually kind of lame without changing the entire mechanic (like they did for Rearmed 2) and added cool touches like the shotgun making you swing and stuff.

>> No.535352

>>535073
are you talking about xcom?

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>>535327
if you weren't a fan of gold and silver, you probably wouldn't like any of the other ones. they're fantastic games in my opinion, but some people are just true to gen 1, and there's nothing wrong with that, as long as they don't act like self entitled douches to people who like the other games.

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>mfw the original runs circles around the remake
>mfw people like crappy ports of good games

>> No.537191

I played The Twin Snakes long before the original Metal Gear Solid, and I still think it's better. Graphics were nicer, and I like the new voices better. I've always been a fan of Rob Paulson, and he's does really well as Gray Fox.

>> No.537220

I did this with OoT3D.

I liked the control scheme better, though, something that hindered my enjoyment of the original.

>> No.537863
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537863

>Playing a remake
>it butchers the aesthetics of the original
>the gameplay is slightly worse
>the music is some horrid remix

>> No.537875

>We updated the gameplay for a modern audience
>We found the difficulty of the original was putting people off so we made adjustments
>We updated the characters to have a more cool and modern look!

>> No.537880

But there is no reason to play SMB 2 on NES when you can play the better SNES version.

>> No.537886

>>537191

the things people bitch about in twin snakes are always the same two things:

the cutscenes are way more over the top, and the first person view makes the game too easy

still its nice to have an incarnation of MGS with graphics to match 2 and 3.

>> No.537895

>>537220
>tiny screen
>shitty touch screen mechanics
FUCK DS "remakes"

>> No.538493

>>537220
Was that even a remake? It was more of a port with a few added tweaks and updated textures.

>> No.538492

>>537886
It also has the advanced AI and other stealth mechanics of 2 and 3

>> No.538496

>>537880
>better SNES version
All-Stars is shit. Fucking ugly graphics and shitty physics. The GBA port/remakes of the Mario games are really good though.

>> No.538512

>that feel when the first version of the original Super Mario Bros I played was the DX version on Gameboy colour
>same deal with 2,3, world and Yoshi's island on the GBA
Come at me

>> No.538518

>>538512
Ports != remakes

>> No.538524
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>>537863
Not retro, but CAVE STORYYYYYY!

>> No.538545

>Remake is dumbed down version of original
>Graphics updated to the point where the original charm is lost
>multiplayer added
>pewdiepie does playthrough of original because of remake
>everyone who's never heard of the original loves it

>> No.538542

>>538524
I agree with you on the music at least, but everything else was the same when it got ported to Steam/Wii/pretty much everything that could play it. There was even an option to leave on the original graphics and music.

>> No.538558

>playing metroid over zero mission's hard mode

>playing red or blue over firered or leafgreen

>> No.538576

>>538545
>people liking a game you like
Damn them! Damn them all to hellll!!

>> No.538591

>>538576
talking about loving the remake

>> No.538604

>>538545
Every instance I hear of something being dumbed down is, most of the time actually...

>"We had a lot of useless, unneeded, and trap options that were needlessly complicated or added nothing to the game, so we removed them to allow for smoother progress."

>> No.538609

>>538604
Congratulations, that's what dumbing down is. Making it easier for the dumber average joe to be able to wrap his feeble mind around something.

>> No.538627

>>532068
link related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnHml9ZhXq4

>> No.538635

>>538545
>pewdiepie
That scum...

>> No.538649

>>538558
>playing red or blue over firered or leafgreen

I actually do this because I somewhat like the mechanics of the first gen. Also I don't like baby Pokemons at all. While I do honestly hate the first gen flaws I like to remind myself how overpowered the special and speed stats were once in a while.

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>>538609
>"I like complicated bullshit because I need something to cement my intelligence compared to others."

>> No.538841

>>538604

>Defending taking option away from the player

>> No.538842

>>538609
Your average 3E player, ladies and gentlemen.

>> No.538875

>We made a faithful remake of the game which preserves all the charm of the original! It has simply been updated for modern sensibilities.

>the gameplay mechanics are completely changed or the game is made easier without any balance

I hate this shit. I hate when ports or remakes change parts of a game without good reason. It physically hurts me.

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Sometimes the remake is simply that good, and the original version either way too expensive, or too clunky, even for the time it came out. Damn shame Destiny Remake never made it to the West.

>> No.539883 [DELETED] 

>>538609
No, that's "bad game design".

>> No.539890

>>538609
>Congratulations, that's what dumbing down is
No that's what we call "Good game design".

>> No.539901

>>532068
does it really matter? deep down does it personally matter to you which version of a game someone enjoyed? and if so why?

>posting a shit thread

you this bored? why dont you take your own advice and go play an original title, master it then play the remake.

go on.. run along

>> No.539948

>>537863

Picture never been more appropriate.

>tf classic mod on quake is best tf

>> No.539962

>>539848

Motherfuck I'm glad I still have that.

>> No.540878

>>534649
How about playing the game at a harder difficulty then?

>> No.542291

>>538542
I think he was talking about the 3DS version.

>> No.542480

>>532068
Fuck you OP. I played Ys Chronicles I & II and they're pretty damn good.

>> No.542534

>>539890
This. As much as they're different games, shin megami tensei: Strange Journey took the Soul Hackers formula and made it a lot more enjoyable. The only time I've ever died in soul hackers was from stupid mudoon/hama bullshit, or running out of magic, while strange journey and its anti-grinding system felt challenging without being stupidly unfair. Strange journey just felt so much more streamlined and cohesive whereas soul hackers was a jumbled mess of similar gimmicks.inb4 not retro, genesis games are retro, and who enjoys first person turn based dungeon crawlers without being a retro enthusiast?

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>Get SMB on the Gameboy Color
>Unlock The Lost Levels
>They removed the secret worlds
>mfw lost lost levels levels

>>535030
>>535327

I find FireRed/LeafGreen still pretty mediocre though, it's just a fresh coat of paint over Red/Blue, only with Ruby/Sapphire battle mechanics and compatibility. Sevi Islands were shit.

Heart Gold/Soul Silver are fantastic remakes though.

Everything else but Black/White 1 I have found pretty good at the very least

>>534846
This and Metroid Zero Mission are easily some of the best remakes I've ever played