/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.5302403]

Daily reminder Run n Guns are superior to shumps in every way. Actually adding platforming elements and player control over progression is more technically complex, challenging, and fun than some generic autoscrolling 'hold B to shoot' snoozefest.

No wonder games like Contra and SNK are so much more loved these days, their challenge and originality has stood the test of time that shumps failed.

[Anonymous No.5302407]

Player control over progression is the big reason why I like them more. Even top-down run 'n gun games without platforming are a blast. Commando is one of my favorite games of all time.

[Anonymous No.5302408]

Run-fast-n-blasts like Contra are not as good as stand-still-n-kills like Shinobi

[Anonymous No.5302412]

>>5302407
The best part of Contra 3 is that it alternates between side scrolling and top down.

>>5302408
I believe you mean Preambulate n' Penetrate

[Anonymous No.5302413]

>>5302403
Different games for different moods, anon.

[Anonymous No.5302419]

>>5302412
>The best part of Contra 3
>Contra Rebirth> Contra >Contra Hard Corps>Super Contra>Contra III

[Anonymous No.5302420]

Shmups are much, much harder and technically complex tho and I say this as a big run n gun fan. There's nothing in run n guns that comes close to scoring in a Raizing or Cave game

[Anonymous No.5302421]

But you can't pilot a really cool looking spaceship if you're a dude running on the ground.

[Anonymous No.5302423]

>>5302412
>I believe you mean Preambulate n' Penetrate
No, he meant Dungeons'n'Dragons.

[Anonymous No.5302424]

>>5302412
Contra 3 is great and all, but I like Mercs and Shock Troopers more

[Anonymous No.5302426]

>>5302420
^this

You are a gaming titan if you can beat Truxton, Raiden, motherfucking IKARUGA without resorting to cheating or quarter pumping.

[Anonymous No.5302428]

Also is Contra loved really? Contra threads here die very quickly, most people suck dick at them and can't 1cc anything and Konami neglects it. There aren't even any good ripoffs besides Super Cyborg. Run n guns as a whole are just namedropped every now and then, few people actually play them.

[Anonymous No.5302432]

>>5302424
>but I like Mercs
Not them, but boy has that game not aged well. And forever I didn't know it was the sequel to Commando. The Genesis version is superior in that it's almost like the arcade game, but also has another "quest" that's longer and I do believe has new content, since it's been a long time since I've played it.

>>5302424
>Shock Troopers
On the other hand SNK games aged like fine wine.

[Anonymous No.5302435]

>>5302428
They're loved by nostalgiafags who are more interested in chatting about games they loved growing up than playing. So, average /vr/ posters like me

[Anonymous No.5302436]

>>5302428
>Also is Contra loved really
Not OP, and I love Contra 1,2, Hard Corps, and Rebirth. The rest can fuck off, except for maybe the Game Boy one.

[Anonymous No.5302443]

>>5302428
I haven't 1 CC'd Contra, but I've beaten it without resorting to the Konami Code that most people wound up using.

While I wouldn't call it a rip off, because it has it's own unique elements, Metal Slug definitely draws heavy inspiration from the Contra series.

[Anonymous No.5302445]

>>5302436
Why just those? Shattered Soldier is just Hard Corps 2.0, Contra 4 is very solid, Uprising is fantastic as its own spinoff and even Neo Contra is an enjoyable top down run n gun. Only the PS1 ones and Force were crap.

[Anonymous No.5302447]

>>5302445
>Shattered Soldier
OK, that is one that I want to check out. An oversight of mine. >>5302445
>Only the PS1 ones and Force were crap.
Those are what soured me on a lot of "new" contra.

[Anonymous No.5302448]

>>5302443
I mean something recent, back in the day tons of run n guns had Contra influence but overall the these days the genre's pretty neglected. Shmups are obscure too, but they get high quality doujins and the occasional good western indie release still.

[Anonymous No.5302452]

>>5302447
You are missing out. If you like Rebirth there's no reason you wouldn't like 4 besides maybe the length. It's a great series.

[Anonymous No.5302453]

>>5302448
The big boom of the FPS genre with games like Doom and Quake took away a lot of interest from the genre in the mid 90's. Even today, most new shooters are first person.

[Anonymous No.5302454]

Is Geometry Wars the last great run 'n gun?

[Anonymous No.5302459]

>>5302432
>but boy has that game not aged well.
wrong

[Anonymous No.5302462]

>>5302443
>Metal Slug definitely draws heavy inspiration from the Contra series.

no it fucking doesnt, it plays entirely differently in every way.

[Anonymous No.5302464]

>>5302459
Nice proof.

[Anonymous No.5302467]

>>5302462
>no it fucking doesnt,
Another anon here to tell you that Metal Slug wouldn't even exist if Contra had never happened.

[Anonymous No.5302471]

>waste hours upon hours on famiclone SuperC
>singleplayer and coop
>love that game to death

>go online
>everyone calls it shit and ranks it near the bottom
Fuck you guys

[Anonymous No.5302505]

>>5302471
If you had fun you weren't wasting time

[Anonymous No.5302508]

>>5302426
I can 1CC Ikaruga and I don't think I'm a gaming titan by any stretch of the imagination.

[Anonymous No.5302519]

>>5302471
What kinda retards have you been talking to? Super C is good, it's just easy

[Anonymous No.5302527]

>>5302471
Check out Super Cyborg, it's inspired by Super C (practically a fan game) but fixes the lack of difficulty and balances weapons. Cool bosses too.

[Anonymous No.5302547]

>>5302407
>>5302403
>>5302454
>Even top-down run 'n gun games without platforming are a blast.
And we all know twin-stick shooters are the best. Don't know many retro examples though.

[Anonymous No.5302560]

>>5302467
that doesn't equate to it drawing heavy inspiration, if you actually fucking played metal slugs and i mean actually play them not credit feed retard style you'd know they play fuck all like contra games

[Anonymous No.5302562]

>>5302464
provide proof it has? that statement preceded mine.

[Anonymous No.5302576]

Poor girl

[Anonymous No.5302594]

>the virgin conta
>the chad rolling thunder

[Anonymous No.5302703]

>>5302403
Run and guns are a subset of shmups and one of them won here:
>>5302040

[Anonymous No.5302754]

>>5302560
But they still drew heavy inspiration from them

[Anonymous No.5302759]

>>5302454
Nex Machina is more fun imo

>>5302547
ofc, they're developed in the Bestern Hemisphere and involve killing hordes of sub humans instead of running away from hordes of bullets

[Anonymous No.5302762]

>>5302547
Robotron

[Anonymous No.5302808]

>>5302703
No they aren't, if anything they're a subset of platformers, at least the sidescroller kind.

[Anonymous No.5302819]

>>5302808
Yes they are, they are shmups with platformer elements. And then you have the other type which are just on foot shmups that don't autoscroll which btw is how the whole genre got started

[Anonymous No.5302916]

TIL some casuals don't understand that Run'n'Guns ARE shmups.

[Anonymous No.5302991]

>>5302916
They're almost the same genre.

[Anonymous No.5303073]

>>5302576
She loves it

[Anonymous No.5303082]

>>5302403
Agreed OP

[Anonymous No.5303251]

Can belt scrollers be shumps

[Anonymous No.5303938]

>>5303251
OH NO THE NARCS MAN

[Anonymous No.5304101]

>>5302408
Imagine being so bad at shinobi that you think standing still is the optimal playstyle

[Anonymous No.5304116]

im more of a beltscroller kind of person

[Anonymous No.5304247]

>>5302403
This is like saying Final Fantasy is superior to JRPGs in every way. One is a subset of the other.

[Anonymous No.5304602]

>>5304247
Terrible analogy. Take a lap.

[Anonymous No.5304634]

>>5303251
This game is awesome

[Anonymous No.5304653]

>>5302403
Bait. /vr/ please, don't grt baited so easily

[Anonymous No.5304656]

>>5304653
get*

[Anonymous No.5304707]

>>5302547
>>5302547
Did the Japanese ever care for this genre?

[Anonymous No.5304716]

>>5304707
Obviously.