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Who were some creators from the demo scene who ended up making good games on mainstream consoles? I can recall Factor 5 and Argonaut. Also the guys who did The Adventures of Batman and Robin for the Genesis.
Were there any others?

>> No.5301702

Welp, time to watch second reality I guess.

>> No.5301723

>>5301565
Those dudes who made that winter olympics game for the SNES?

It's kind of an annoying to see cool demoscene shit but have the disappointment of its non-interactivity. It seems like there was wasted potential from that era in that demoscene tech wasn't sufficiently exploited in games.

>> No.5301752

>>5301565
Well Futurecrew obviously birthed both Remedy and Futuremark (3D mark benchmark)

>> No.5302207

>>5301565
The problem with most demoscene is that the aesthetics were great but when they took it to games the gameplay was shit.

>> No.5302487

If I remember well, some demo scene crew programmed / sell a 3D engine for the GBA in it's latter days. The engine was used in a racing game and maybe an Asterix one?
I'm sorry, but source will be needed, I hope I don't mix things up.

>> No.5302615

>>5302207
Its not called euro trash for nothing.
Games look good but gameplay is equivalent to shit.

>> No.5302625

>>5302615
desu I never heard this term before I came to /vr/. I still haven't encountered it elsewhere.

>> No.5304281

>>5301752
I'm still sad that Shattered Horizon was released exclusively for Vista back in the day, they really killed the game's potential.

>>5302625
I think it's a general-purpose troll phrase on /vr/, maybe an adaptation from either "eurotrash" for European tourists, or a mixture of the board gaming terms "Ameritrash" and "Eurogame" for describing game styles. Either way, I don't think it's a big deal and the phrase can be ignored.

>> No.5304283

>>5304281
>I think it's a general-purpose troll phrase on /vr/, maybe an adaptation from either "eurotrash" for European tourists, or a mixture of the board gaming terms "Ameritrash" and "Eurogame" for describing game styles. Either way, I don't think it's a big deal and the phrase can be ignored.
I think it's a not totally unfounded criticism with a lot of style over substance copying of Japanese games (without understanding or copying the underlying mechanics), but the real reason is simply because there was almost no demo scene in the USA. You can work out the rest
Another good example would be the Silents, who became Digital Illusions to release games like Pinball Fantasies, and then became Dice of Battlefield fame.

>> No.5304293

>>5304283
Not that I disagree, I've played some European computer games that were beautiful, but the gameplay ended up just feeling like worse versions of other games. I more called it out because I don't like the idea of dismissing things, especially large groups of things, just because of a convenient buzzword.

You are right about the demoscene existence though, part of it was scale too. Someplace like the UK is pretty damn small, you could collaborate on a project with somebody pretty easily. The US is basically fucked for you unless you live in a major metropolitan area or are very close to one.

Finally, interesting contribution, I guess DICE stands for "Digital Illusions Central Europe" or something?

>> No.5304365

>>5304293
>Finally, interesting contribution, I guess DICE stands for "Digital Illusions Central Europe" or something?
Apparently the CE stands for "Creative Entertainment", although I don't see any legit source for that.
Good page on Scene groups to legit companies here:
https://chipflip.wordpress.com/2015/06/12/famous-people-who-came-from-the-demoscene/

>> No.5304367

>>5301565
DICE/Digital Illusions

>> No.5304567

Some demoscene dudes ended up making a GB game for Titus. I think it's neat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zji0hguQ1JU

>> No.5304629
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>>5304567
that's pretty insane. Is that real? Demoscene got the best devs AND artists. I assume they are all european

>> No.5305047

>>5304567
>parallax scrolling background
>Pseudo-3D ground effect
>ridiculously detailed boss sprites
>all for a dumb caveman game

The world isn't fair

>> No.5305074

Are there any games that have that trippy demoscene aesthetic but are playable as well? First thing I think of is Alpha Dreams.

>> No.5305076

>>5301565

Strangelite made the 3D engine for that abysmal Starship Troopers fps

>> No.5305437

Christophe Balestra (ex Naughty Dogs president) is ex Oxygene. His moniker was Oxbab.

>> No.5305471

>>5301565
travelers tales
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEBDwP9DRds

>> No.5305501

>>5305471
>the people who did Lego Star Wars
lmao that's like the exact opposite I'd expect out of the demo scene.

>> No.5305764

>>5305501
Licensed games make money. Devs like treasure did this too. Lego games are kinda meh Tt should do new stuff

>> No.5305778

>>5302487
a few amiga sceners were making most of nintendo's middle ware for quite some time. not that i'll be dropping any names for you sad fags.

>> No.5306525

>>5304629
>>5305047
And let's not forget the amazing music by a guy called SexyKanguru.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFasnPiOt-8

>> No.5306735

>>5301565
The guy who founded Traveller's Tales was kind of in the demoscene and made from pretty nifty titles. He now has a Youtube channel called gamehut.

>> No.5306783

>>5306735
That guy knows so much about low level programming and optimization, it puts most modern code monkeys to shame.

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>>5304293
>>5304365
I guess they changed the meaning over time:
>Digital Illusions Computer Entertainment
>Digital Illusions Creative Entertainment

>>5304283
btw. I really liked the output of those swedes back in the day. Their Pinball Series was just fantastic and was the blueprint for all the later pinball games from other devs. The platformer Benefactor was also very nice.

It's really a shame to see the state of DICE as EA's bitches today. Their games were much better when those had the size of a single Battlefield texture.