/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.5280473]

>actually buying physical when emulation has been proven to be an overall better experience

[Anonymous No.5280483]

>>5280473
who are you quoting? certainly not me

[Anonymous No.5280979]

>>5280473
>quits sex
>suddenly a genius and an athlete

What's your excuse, /vr/?

[Anonymous No.5280981]

>>5280473
I disagree.

[Anonymous No.5280994]

>>5280981
I agree, don't have space in my house for all these consoles, controllers, game cases, etc.

[Anonymous No.5281001]

>>5280979
>What's your excuse, /vr/?
You have to actually have sex in order to quit it.

[Anonymous No.5281026]

>>5280473
Oh, it's another /emugen/ thread where they try to convince themselves that emulation isn't absolutely garbage.

[Anonymous No.5281034]

>>5281026
Emulation for 16 bit and lower systems is perfect at this point, there's no need for physical hardware. 32 bit and up gets rough, though, and is better on real hardware.

[Anonymous No.5281051]

>not owning your stuff since the time they came out

[Anonymous No.5281082]

I use my computer to do work. I don’t want to go through all of the downloading, tweaking, troubleshooting, etc. required to get results from emulation I’m happy with. If I want to play 5th gen or later the results might not even be that stellar at their best. At that point I’m just doing different work in my work environment, not playing a fun video game.
I’d rather sit on a couch, pop a game in and have a good fucking time. I don’t know why it is so hard to fathom that some people would prefer work and play separate, or even that the quirks you’ve learned to put up when when you emulate might bother somebody else.
If you like it then that’s great but that shit sucks all the joy out of it for me.

[Anonymous No.5281096]

>>5281051
/thread

[Anonymous No.5281101]

>>5281082
i imagine you have porn sites blocked and timers set for when you should get off the internet.

[Anonymous No.5281114]

>>5280473
I miss the ISHIGGYDIGGY era bros.....

[Anonymous No.5281117]

>>5281101
Nah I actually have a lot of extra free time to look at them since I’m not spending it troubleshooting my fucking emulator

[Anonymous No.5281121]

>>5281117
kek, you win.

[Anonymous No.5281128]

>>5281082
>I don’t want to go through all of the downloading, tweaking, troubleshooting, etc. required to get results from emulation I’m happy with.

>download SNES9x
>download ROM
>set controls in SNES9x
>load ROM
>play game

Wow, so hard, all this troubleshooting and tweaking I have to do.

[Anonymous No.5281134]

>>5281128
I can even one up you

>Download retroarch
>download snes9x core
>select where your rom library is
>select game (presume you already downloaded rom)
>enjoy

[Anonymous No.5281141]

>>5281128
getting it working and getting it working well is different, you know this already.

[Anonymous No.5281147]

>playing on an LCD
>playing without the OEM controller for the hardware

[Anonymous No.5281167]

>>5280473

[Anonymous No.5281218]

>>5281141
I have never once messed with the settings (other than controller, of course) in an emulator for a system from the 16-bit era or earlier. The more recent the console, the more fiddling it requires, but anything prior to 32-bit is 100% plug and play with zero fiddling.

[Anonymous No.5281225]

Shit thread

[Anonymous No.5281234]

>>5281218
Minor correction: GB and GBA emulators are also completely plug and play with zero fiddling.

[Anonymous No.5281238]

>>5281218
do you enjoy your retro looking like diarrhea ass garbage?

[Anonymous No.5281239]

> implying emulators are hard
Literally you download retroarch, download a core and load rom.

Sure you can tweak it for better performance or features but thats like not driving a car because its to hard for you to modify the engine to achieve 400hp.

Also, I'm not paying $150 for a game. Ever.

[Anonymous No.5281250]

>>5281239
Flashcarts exist

[Anonymous No.5281252]

>>5281239
The point is that it’s obnoxious, not “too hard.”
Why buy a piece of junk car for free and waste a fuckton of time in your garage getting it up to snuff when you can pay a small fee and get right to driving?
This issue isn’t even about software, it’s about hardware.

[Anonymous No.5281257]

>>5281238
Pic related is SNES9x 1.56.2 on default settings. Looks fine to me.

[Anonymous No.5281261]

>>5281257
Jesus Christ that looks awful anon.

[Anonymous No.5281272]

>>5281261
Care to actually describe why?

[Anonymous No.5281273]

>>5281034
>Perfectly emulating hardware in a system that processes in batches and uses multithreading
No

[Anonymous No.5281280]

Just calm down everyone, and praise the PlayStation Classic

[Anonymous No.5281286]

>>5280994
More like your wife says there's no space

[Anonymous No.5281297]

>>5281252
Your analogy is erroneous. I'm not buying a piece of junk that doesnt drive. Im getting a sedan for free that works fine and will take me wherever I need to go.

[Anonymous No.5281305]

>>5281286
Not everyone likes to fill their home with stuff.

[Anonymous No.5281306]

>>5281272
Do you actually play it in 256x224?
If not now you’re dealing with scaling it properly, aspect ratio quirks, and scrolling jerk/shimmer. What about scanlines? I don’t love smoothing but what if you wanted to soften it a touch to reduce banding/dithering? All more shit to mess with. This is only passable staring at a tiny still image.
To each their own I just don’t enjoy it at all.

[Anonymous No.5281316]

>>5281286
I'd agree but I have my own room for my vidya game shit and even then i don't want it filled with consoles and monitors.

[Anonymous No.5281376]

>>5281297
The issue is that people like OP are insisting the sedan in question is an “overall better experience.” It’s like claiming your Hyundai is a Lamborghini and as soon as that’s challenged... suddenly the argument is “but what’s wrong with it? it gets me where I need to go.”

[Anonymous No.5281425]

>>5281306
Not him, but I emulate on a CRT TV at native resolution. Retroarch added support for that a while ago.

[Anonymous No.5281441]

>>5281306
>Do you actually play it in 256x224?
Nah, I'm pretty sure the default settings actually display it at 2x resolution which is more playable on a high resolution monitor anyway.

>Do you actually play it in 256x224?
If not now you’re dealing with scaling it properly, aspect ratio quirks, and scrolling jerk/shimmer. What about scanlines?
Default settings scale at 2x and retain the correct aspect ratio. Not sure exactly what you mean by scrolling jerk or shimmer, I've never seen any problems with the motion of the games. Who gives a fuck about scanlines? Artificial scanlines look like garbage and actual CRT TVs from proper viewing distances don't have visible scanlines either.

[Anonymous No.5281442]

>>5281306
>Do you actually play it in 256x224?
Nah, I'm pretty sure the default settings actually display it at 2x resolution which is more playable on a high resolution monitor anyway.

>If not now you’re dealing with scaling it properly, aspect ratio quirks, and scrolling jerk/shimmer.
Default settings scale at 2x and retain the correct aspect ratio. Not sure exactly what you mean by scrolling jerk or shimmer, I've never seen any problems with the motion of the games.

>What about scanlines?
Who gives a fuck about scanlines? Artificial scanlines look like garbage and actual CRT TVs from proper viewing distances don't have visible scanlines either.

[Anonymous No.5281448]

>>5281306

Sounds like your problem isn't that emulation requires fiddling, but that you're way too fucking picky and are probably one of those "muh accuracy" autists.

[Anonymous No.5281464]

>>5281425
I looked into that a while back. But that requires drivers, adapters, etc. and that’s still a comparative headache, setting aside the emulation issues with 5th gen+ that everyone has been ignoring.
The original point was never that emulation is automatically bad. It’s that it’s kind of a pain in the ass. See >>5281082 . It’s not a “better experience” for everyone, obviously. Yes, you CAN adjust settings to make the experience better. The issue is whether someone wants to, when they could have something that works the way they want out of the gate.

[Anonymous No.5281471]

>>5281448
so emulation is better and simpler... until it’s not and anyone who wants it to be is being too picky?

[Anonymous No.5281483]

I find having to pay $150+ for a game a very bad experience.

[Anonymous No.5281490]

>>5281483
>>5281252

[Anonymous No.5281493]

>>5281471
No, it's that emulation is better and simpler until you choose to make it more complicated and suggesting that the complexity is REQUIRED is disingenuous because it's a problem you're making for yourself.

[Anonymous No.5281505]

>>5281493
If the added complexity is REQUIRED to get it up to a similar standard as plugging an old box into an old TV then it’s disingenuous to suggest it’s better.

[Anonymous No.5281515]

>>5281305
>>5281316
It's okay I'll wait until your wife goes shopping so you can admit it

[Anonymous No.5281519]

>>5280473
Emulation has been proven to be an overall tweaking experience.

Signed by a guy that emulated basically everything.

Now there's emulation of, say PS2, which can be tweaked to look better than a remastered version of agame for later playstations and inferior emu stuff on say N64 or Sega Saturn for SOME games.

[Anonymous No.5281521]

>>5281464
So by "all this troubleshooting," you meant "all these problems that only exist because I'm a literal fucking autist".

99% of anything 16bit and older is plug and play on an emulator. Any of the tweaking bullshit you're obsessing over is completely negligible and largely subjective.

>setting aside the emulation issues with 5th gen+ that everyone has been ignoring.
>>5281034
>>5281218
Everyone has been addressing that caveat, dip. But its only a matter of time, seeing as the emulators for those consoles are only getting more efficient and more accurate.

>when they could have something that works the way they want out of the gate.
Have fun with your overpriced and rapidly decaying alternative to emulation, gramps.

[Anonymous No.5281538]

>>5281505
>then it’s disingenuous to suggest it’s better.
It's better for other reasons, though, like convenience, cost, and not having to store shit. It looks and plays just fine on default settings, so don't blame the emulator because you're an autismo who plays retro games to jerk off to scanlines and phosphor glow and how low your input lag can be instead of just playing retro games to, you know, have fun playing a game.

[Anonymous No.5281547]

>>5281521
I always have problems setting up the controller on emulators, especially on Kega. Plug and play is bullshit.

[Anonymous No.5281559]

>>5281547
you must have janky controllers

[Anonymous No.5281573]

>>5281521
There are plenty of good reasons to emulate and the argument was never that there weren’t, or that it won’t have to replace hardware someday.
The argument was that for accuracy achieved vs time spent hardware obviously wins. Now you’re bringing “but it’s overpriced” into it like a one-time investment into a flash cart will break the bank. Why do the requiremenrs necessary for preferring hardware keep changing?
It’s not plug and play? Oh, yes it is, as long as it’s for these specific systems and as long as you don’t alter the settings.
You want more accuracy without wasting time in settings menus? You’re an autist.
What the fuck? Yeah, I’ll fork over $30 to avoid wasting time with that while I have the option. It’s not better to you, it’s just free and your argument boils down to insulting people who don’t like the downsides.

[Anonymous No.5281693]

even sony nintendo or sega released consoles with emulators in it.. but some autists from /vr/ will tell you it's not the real experience so it's irrelevant

[Anonymous No.5281702]

>>5281573
If you want pure accuracy, then hardware is definitely superior to emulation. If you just want to play retro games smoothly without hassle, monetary investment, or added storage of items, then emulation is far superior.

[Anonymous No.5281708]

>>5281702
Wow it’s almost like emulation isn’t necessarily a “better experience”

[Anonymous No.5281715]

>>5280473
People buy watches for $25k. Women buy bracelets for $50k. At least with classical hardware there's a chance of it meaning something.

[Anonymous No.5281858]

>>5281573
>>5281708
If you're an autist concerned exclusively with negligible (and often imaginary) margins of accuracy, then sure. But if your metric for better is paying less, taking up less space, and not having the doomsday clock ticking endlessly for your nearly half century old hardware, then yes it is better.

> It’s not better to you, it’s just free and your argument boils down to insulting people who don’t like the downsides.
My argument is that if your priorities are actually concerned with ease of play and longevity, shit that actually matters, then you're clearly playing on an emulator for most shit. Not hooking up nearly half-century old hardware because MUH N O S T A L G I A doesn't remember this game without the scanlines and the shitty CRT.
If you're an autist, and yes being concerned with the shit you're concerned with makes you an autist, then you're still hooking up decades old hardware and paying to keep it alive like a fucking moron.

[Anonymous No.5281938]

>>5281858
“Ease of play” and “longevity” are both satisfied by hardware at the moment anon. The difference is that accuracy is too. That’s the whole fucking point.
The only thing not satisfied is “free.” Good for you that it’s free to emulate and that’s your preference. If you really think nobody cares about other aspects of playing retro though you’re on the wrong board. For shit’s sake there’s an entire thread devoted to CRTs.
You cannot get more plug and play than a console and a TV. Eventually that won’t be an option anymore. No shit. But if someone has the hardware and it WORKS there’s no good reason to emulate for lesser results.
I have almost zero nostalgia for these things. I started by working my way back through games I missed a few years ago. I even (shocker) EMULATED, and still do sometimes. But there’s zero reason to prefer it when I can afford to spare a few bucks on a toy someone else doesn’t want anymore. Sorry that you can’t; you’re clearly upset about it.

[Anonymous No.5282003]

>>5281938
>“longevity” are both satisfied by hardware at the moment anon
Hahaha. Mkay. Cause your finite resource of usable, original hardware is definitely gonna outlive replicatable, updateable, portable software. Right.
>Sorry that you can’t
I still own these systems dip and I choose not to play them. Its just by its very nature inferior.
> Eventually that won’t be an option anymore. No shit.
I love you admitting that like it doesn't completely destroy your whole fucking argument.
>"Oh, well my 'superior' form of play is so superior that it requires constant replacement from a finite resource to even exist."
That alone is reason why emulation is superior. Much less everything else I've already said. Emulation's gonna keep improving while you're still fiddling with tired old hardware you bought off eBay.

[Anonymous No.5282023]

>>5281858
if you think the margins of accuracy between, say, Saturn hardware and emulation are negligible you are sorely mistaken. You’re working so hard to justify your purchase of literally nothing that you sound insecure. It’s a free solution to a potentially expensive problem, not perfection and certainly not always better.

[Anonymous No.5282037]

>>5282003
Not him but what do you do for systems that can't be emulated like N64?

[Anonymous No.5282067]

>>5282037
>can't be emulated like N64?
There's quite a few emulators that have a majority of the library at least playable if not essentially console quality. Dunno what you're on about.
And if I wanted those that don't within 99% accuracy of the console experience, I'd literally just have to wait a few years for improvements. In my experience, the shit games I never played anyway are typically the ones that don't end up with great support.

[Anonymous No.5282080]

Why do emulatorzooms keep attempting mental gymnastics when many of us just kept our original consoles from back in the day? I didn't have to buy them now at "collector's prices", I just never sold them in the first place.

[Anonymous No.5282092]

>>5282003
Do you have any reading comprehension skills at all anon? There was zero mention of replacing anything. Just of using hardware that works until it doesn’t. Using what works now doesn’t preclude emulating when it breaks later. That you hoard them but choose to let them gather dust is worse.

[Anonymous No.5283752]

>>5282080
This.
No reason to keep it sitting in the closet for another 20+ years.

[Anonymous No.5283791]

>>5282080
Lucky you. Oh well, you can't take them with you.

[Anonymous No.5283814]

>>5282003
>Cause your finite resource of usable, original hardware

Replacement parts like the SwinSID can be made.

[Anonymous No.5283818]

>>5283814
This can be done for most 80s stuff. When you get into 90s gear and surface mounted chips, sorry.

[Anonymous No.5283823]

>>5281082
The part that’s hard to fathom is how you have to physically compartmentalize when the rest of it run it near-effortlessly as a background process in our minds.

I’ve done actual, paying work on my home computer in the past too, and have not needed to physically partition the other parts of my life that involve using a computer. For that matter I have also not needed to spend any significant amount of time configuring emulators, despite not having a ton of meaningful technical knowledge of these things. Fortunately, I possess the power to Google common issues (if any that are game-breaking even arise, which is rare) and click the first result, or just rapidly check different boxes in emulation settings (of which there are probably only a handful of choices for a particular feature of the emulation) and just seeing what ostensibly yields the optimal result.

I’m legitimately not saying this to be a dick, but people like you just seem... I dunno, “weak-minded?”

[Anonymous No.5283829]

>>5283818
Yeah that's the problem. 80s stuff is simple enough that it can be repaired easily and custom chips can be replicated in an FPGA or something. I'm not sure that will be possible with 90s and beyond systems and they may be lost to time eventually.

[Anonymous No.5283901]

>>5281306
Look at all this autism diarrhea.

[Anonymous No.5283906]

>>5281376
Wouldn't emulators be the better car, since they're actually using new hardware and are constantly getting new features for quality of life...where as the original hardware is 20 years or older and probably not functioning correctly.

You can't compare game consoles to classic cars, because no one is making replacement parts for old systems, at least nothing official.

[Anonymous No.5283907]

>>5280473
Unless you are a collector then what is the actual point?
>>5281051
If anything you should be happy that younger people are able to enjoy classics.

[Anonymous No.5283918]

>>5283906
>because no one is making replacement parts for old systems, at least nothing official.
You think GM still makes factory replacement parts for 60s cars? You dumb dummy.

[Anonymous No.5283924]

>>5280979
It feels good and I don't have to be a genius or an athlete.

What's your excuse, fucker?

[Anonymous No.5283942]

[Anonymous No.5283956]

>>5283942
Case in point. If you decapped original chips, they could be recreated in an FPGA, but making new ones just like the original isn't cost effective--you'd need to produce a gigantic number of them to turn a profit.

[Anonymous No.5283984]

I feel like playing video games and collecting are two different hobbies.

[Anonymous No.5283985]

>>5280473
>being that faggot trying to fag the place up with knowing what's good for others

[Anonymous No.5283989]

>>5283984
This is true, as well as tinkering with emulators or pc settings and hardware as well as digital hoarding are also hobbies. I know a guy who has easily dumped a couple grand on his pc setup and owns hundreds of games on Steam yet, obsessing over his hardware and library, yet he only plays Rocket League.

[Anonymous No.5284009]

>>5282003
>while you're still fiddling with tired old hardware you bought off eBay.

http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?50793-PET-4032-restoration

Some love the challenge.

[Anonymous No.5284084]

>>5284009
>>5282003
Anything can be restored/repaired with enough time and money.

[Anonymous No.5284086]

[Anonymous No.5284093]

>being poor

[Anonymous No.5284097]

>>5281547
>press button you want to act as this button
fuck this is so hard

[Anonymous No.5284137]

>>5281505
This. I emulate games myself because the only console I own is a PS2, but I'm too lazy to buy CDs and DVDs to burn games. My CRT makes PS1 and PS2 games look far better than they look on my computer, and the same would happen with other games (minus handhelds). For handhelds I'm more than satisfied with shaders, but genuinely amazing CRT shaders do not exist.

CRT-Royale, for instance, is similar to my CRT, but my CRT has a whole different feel with the colors, the blacks, and the scanlines aren't in your face. The fake bloom of CRT-Royale can be disabled, which is something I recommend people.

For all intents and purposes, if you want to "simulate" bloom simply increase the brightness of your screen, because using CRT-Royale simply gave me a darker image and thus the bloom looks comically out of place compared to my CRT which is much brighter but you don't see any bloom.

[Anonymous No.5284198]

>>5280473

>overall better experience

Literally no.

[Anonymous No.5284202]

>>5280473
My main problem with physical is trying to find the games I want at good prices, so mainly I'm looking for systems which I can pirate easily.
For example, the first retro system I bought was the Dreamcast since you can just burn games you want on it.

[Anonymous No.5284207]

>>5284097
It is when it registers one button press as two, and when the d-pad changes its recognised inputs, both common issues. Troll harder.

[Anonymous No.5285345]

Ok.

[Anonymous No.5285364]

>>5282003
>Cause your finite resource of usable, original hardware

Most consumer level systems were made by the millions. Is it likely at all that we'd even run out of the things in our lifetime?

[Anonymous No.5288175]

>>5283942
The AtariAge people actually did decaps instead of whining that it's futile and can't be done.