/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.5269269]

how does it hold up?

[Anonymous No.5269273]

Pretty good as long as you aren't retarded navigating 3D spaces like Arin Hanson.

[Anonymous No.5269293]

>>5269269
It wasn't that great in the first place, "holds up" whatever you got out of it then you'll probably still get out of it today

[Anonymous No.5269295]

Quite well.

[Anonymous No.5269296]

>>5269269
It's as if the passage of time somehow made this failed foray into the world of 3D duller. Seriously each episode following the boy "adventurer" and his pals from Hyrule as they fight assorted villains has been indistinguishable from the others. Aside from the cartoonish imagery, the series’ only consistency has been its lack of excitement and ineffective use of repetitive puzzles, all to make magic unmagical, to make action seem inert.
Perhaps the die was cast when Nintendo vetoed the idea of a third party producing the games; Miyanoto made sure the series would never be mistaken for a work of art that meant anything to anybody- just ridiculously profitable cross-promotion for their annual "party games" and childish fighting franchise. The Zelda series might be anti-Sony (or not), but it’s certainly the anti-Spyro series in its refusal of wonder, beauty and excitement.

>a-at least the platforming elements were good though

"No!"

The writing is dreadful; the exploration was nonexistent. As I played, I noticed that every time Link went to "explore" a largely empty world, Nintendo shoehorned in some repetitive puzzles to pad out the game. I began marking on the back of a Nintendo Power magazine every time I came to the same rehashed box pushing/lever pulling puzzles. I stopped only after I had marked the envelope several dozen times. I was incredulous. Nintendo's team is so governed by cliches and milking tired franchises ad nauseum that they have no other style of development. Later I watched a lavish, loving Let's Play of The Ocarina of Time by some YouTube manchild. He said something to the effect of, "If these kids are playing Ocarina of Time at 11 or 12, then when they get older they will go on to owning a Nintendo Switch." And he was quite right. He was not being ironic. When you play The Ocarina of Time you are, in fact, trained to play the same dull Nintendo rehashes decade after decade.

[Anonymous No.5269297]

>>5269293
>It wasn't that great in the first place
Ah I remember when I was like you, a year away from getting a permit to learn to drive, and three years from being able to vote. *sigh*

[Anonymous No.5269459]

>>5269273
>When the first post is also the best post

[Anonymous No.5269472]

>>5269269
>how does it hold up?
it's an N64 game, it doesn't.

[Anonymous No.5269479]

>>5269269
100%

[Anonymous No.5269503]

>>5269269

Great

Played it like 3 years ago (actually as a precursor for playing Majora of which I heard several times you should not play it as your first Zelda), and I cannot be accused of being nostalgia blinded as well as I purposely avoided RPGs as a kid, and especially Zelda did not peak my interest in the slightest, so I can uninfluenced judge it from todays perspective: It is (still) really really good. I really enjoyed playing it, the world is still nicely done and the dungeons are good and plenty. The only thing I did not really like and got sick of after a while is the emptiness that is Hyrule Field through which you have to walk over and over and over... The time travel stuff is still a genious way of getting the most out of the land, difficulty curve is good and satisfying (it's not babby- easy) and you cannot help but notice how - again largely through the time travel mechanic - much content is crammed into that small world. One thing I was miffed by is how Saria is dropped pretty much like a hot potato after the first act, she has been your childhood friend all that time and the only one who stood by your side and spoke for you when everyone else turned against you, she deserved a more important role than "damsel in a dungeon and from that moment on a bunch of text boxes"

Great game. Majora's better though.

[Anonymous No.5269508]

>>5269296
This is quite simply an irrational amount of hate towards a video game.

[Anonymous No.5269568]

>>5269269
Sorry it's too late for you to enjoy this game,
If only you could travel back in time.

[Anonymous No.5269570]

inb4 intended dungeon order shitstorm

[Anonymous No.5269623]

>>5269508
Everyone needs a hobby and this is mine.

[Anonymous No.5269631]

>>5269296
Based "No!" poster

[Anonymous No.5269650]

>>5269623
Why do you hate Zelda so much?

[Anonymous No.5269675]

>>5269650
Hate is more powerful than love.

[Anonymous No.5269706]

>>5269269
Majora's Mask was better.

[Anonymous No.5269724]

>>5269675
If once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny.

[Anonymous No.5269738]

>>5269706
get serious nigga

[Anonymous No.5269763]

>>5269724
Love is treacherous, hate is forever loyal

[Anonymous No.5269767]

>>5269763
I was made for loving you baby,
You were made for loving me

[Anonymous No.5269772]

>>5269767
Miss me with that gay shit

[Anonymous No.5269775]

>>5269772
In the naaammee of love,
One night in the name of loovve

[Anonymous No.5269786]

>>5269775
Hate trumps love, you'll know when you turn 18

[Anonymous No.5269789]

>>5269786
L, is for the way you looook at meee

[Anonymous No.5269793]

>>5269789
You only love your girlfriend for a short period but you'll hate your ex for the rest of your life. Love is passive, hate springs people into action.

[Anonymous No.5269829]

>>5269650
I don't, I just enjoy banter and OoT does have some serious flaws when you look at it without nostalgia goggles.

It's not even top 3 in the LoZ series.

[Anonymous No.5269872]

>>5269269
Pretty good. The difficulty isn't high enough for an adult. and other games have done some of the things it pioneered better.

I would recommend playing the 3DS remake and if you have played it multiple times try the master quest. At the very least the dungeons will be fresh to you in that version, the combat is also a bit more challenging, the puzzles much more.

[Anonymous No.5269876]

>>5269706
I like both of them!

[Anonymous No.5269896]

>>5269876
what a slut

[Anonymous No.5270091]

>>5269269
Still a very good game.
Looks like absolute shit, even at the time.

[Anonymous No.5270106]

>>5269269
it's a solid 7/10

[Anonymous No.5270114]

>>5269269
Much like your dick, it doesnt

[Anonymous No.5270269]

>>5269296
I wish people like you would stop mentioning Spyro, you taint the series harder than the Legend series and Skylanders did.

[Anonymous No.5270468]

EH REH

[Anonymous No.5270506]

>>5269269
It actually holds up really dull

[Anonymous No.5270703]

>>5269297
Not him but he's right. OoT took a great adventure series and dumbed it down so that elementary school kids could easily beat it. Yes, the game pioneered several technical innovations, but that doesn't change the fact that at its core the game was not challenging, limits your ability to explore the world compared to its predecessors, has a mostly empty game world, and is basically made for a target audience aged 8-10.

The shitty thing is the rest of the series since then follows suit in terms of the difficulty and writing.

[Anonymous No.5270728]

>>5270703
What a pile of dogshit. OoT has a spot on difficulty. I was about 14 when I first played it and the puzzles aren't that easy, they're just right. Getting stuck is no fun. Don't you ever get tired of larping about how great you are in games? Empty game? Lacking exploration? Thanks for confirming the troll.

[Anonymous No.5270737]

>>5269293
>>5269296
>>5269472
>>5269631
>>5269706
>>5269829
>>5270091
>>5270114
>>5270703
please go back to /v/, zoomers

[Anonymous No.5270756]

>>5270728
>OoT has a spot on difficulty.

This is how I know that you suck at video games.

[Anonymous No.5270852]

>>5269706
Oblivion is better

[Anonymous No.5270869]

>>5269269
It is as boring and bland as it was when it came out, make of that what you will.

[Anonymous No.5270871]

>>5270737
fuck off retard

[Anonymous No.5270874]

Aren't you guys bored of discussion this over and over again?

[Anonymous No.5270881]

>>5270737
I-if you are not a nostalgia ridden retard you are a zoomer!

[Anonymous No.5270890]

>>5269296
Shouldn't you be in your high school class right now?

[Anonymous No.5270951]

>>5270874
so we should talk about all those new retro games, yes?

[Anonymous No.5271092]

>>5269269
perfectly fine.

>>5269273
this.

[Anonymous No.5271103]

Aged bad. It was important for its time as a 2d -> 3D transition. But it doesn't hold a candle compared to the 2d games.

[Anonymous No.5271120]

>>5271103
you serious lad? Ocarina was unbelievably awesome

[Anonymous No.5271161]

>>5270951
>saying famous game is shit over and over again is the only noteworthy discussion to be had

[Anonymous No.5271187]

>>5269269
Alot of the models aged like shit but the game itself still holds up very well if you're willing to look past that if not try the remake

[Anonymous No.5271314]

>>5270951
There's more to the N64 than Ocarina of Time. There are different Zelda games than Ocarina of Time.
There are other action adventure games that are /vr/ that aren't OoT.

Most importantly, there's more to talk about than shitposting the exact same topic for over 100 threads. If you want to talk about something else then start a new thread and talk about that instead. Don't complain that things stay the same, do something. Or what, you'd rather say statements like "OoT is the most overrated game evuhr!" over and over again?

[Anonymous No.5271574]

>>5271120
> was

[Anonymous No.5271762]

I'm sorry, but it's not that good.

[Anonymous No.5271801]

>>5269269
Still the best action adventure game ever made, and the massive amount of butthurt that its popularity causes is even better than the game itself. Brainlets will tell you bullshit about it being "empty" or something equally retarded, but I've yet to find a game that scratches the same itch. A steady stream of puzzle solving and combat mixed with relaxed exploration and numerous fun side activities give it a very satisfying flow.

I'll also mention, most people aren't aware of just how many secrets this game has. Most people don't know you can do things like turn butterflies into fairies, kill skull kids for 200 rupees, or all the crazy ways you can use song of storms. Of all the Zelda games I've played, it is by far the most packed with optional content and fun hidden things. This fact alone makes it an amazing game -- I still discover new things to this day, on occasion.

[Anonymous No.5271831]

I think it's HUT HYET TICKT HYEAH TAH

[Anonymous No.5271934]

>>5269793
>hate springs people into action.
teach me the technique.

I'm a ball of hate.

[Anonymous No.5271949]

>>5271103
Video games don't age. If it was good then, it's good now. If it was bad then, it was bad now.

[Anonymous No.5272001]

>>5269269
It was revolutionary in its time. Both aesthetically and functionally as with things like the Z-targeting system which persists in current AAA titles like the Souls series and others. The impact it had is self-evident through it's massive cultural impact and numbers alone. Anyone that disputes this is contrarian to a fault, ignorant, trolling, or some combination thereof. 4chan as a community that naturally fetishizes going against the mainstream which can be hit or miss--OoT is a primary example of a miss.

If one were to play it today having never played it as a kid and compares it to modern gen games, it will seem lackluster. This can be said for many early 3D games in general. This can actually be said about ANY foundational medium in any art. Artists stand on the shoulders of giants. People don't consume art chronologically. So for young'ins (aka a large population of this board) what was a revolution yesterday seems pale in comparison to everything that was later refined and expanded upon. But it is fair to say that the game has flaws and may not hold up in certain respects today. There's NOTHING blasphemous about balanced criticism provided that the critic is taking the context of time into account. Since both sides of the fence spew hyperbole on this anonymous board, we probably only get a sliver of decent conversation. So fuck most of you guys.

That's all this conversation comes down to every time.

[Anonymous No.5272004]

>>5269296
Name one adventure game within 3 years of OoT that meant your standards.

[Anonymous No.5272030]

I can't believe so many here shitting on this masterpiece. Its still one of the greatest games I have ever played. This game influenced so much games as well. It would have been cool to see a less story driven Zelda game similar to the NES one but on N64 in 3D with a lot more exploration but what we got is most probably for the best since its remained so memorable for people to this day. Majora's Mask despite how much people meme it to be better simply is not. That game instead could have been like a 3D remake of the NES one. Then you would have had a story driven Zelda and a more free open world before open world was even a thing gameplay focused Zelda. In fact OOT is so good it was worth purchasing an N64 for it alone.

[Anonymous No.5272053]

>>5271949
This is why I'm always particularly interested in the opinions of people who play /vr/ for the first time long after the games were released. 90s kids like me whose first FF was either FFVII or FFVIII always cite that as the best FF, so when a friend of mine who didn't have the PSX back then played through the FFs for the first time in the early 2010s I was particularly interested to hear that his favourite ended up being FFVIII, which is the correct opinion.

[Anonymous No.5272057]

>>5272053
How is his favorite being the most broken one correct?

[Anonymous No.5272363]

>>5269296
Decent bait. Mentioning Spyro caught me off-guard. What inspired that?

[Anonymous No.5272369]

>>5272363
It's stale pasta.

[Anonymous No.5272379]

>>5272369
Figures.

[Anonymous No.5272385]

>>5272001
Look, you can like OOT all you like, but your accusations against people who don't think it's the best thing ever is infuriating. As I posted previously, I was 14 when the game came out, it was the 4th Zelda game I played, and I was not impressed with the experience at the time. Simply put, the story is dull and the game is very easy. Few people my age at the time thought as much as well - the PSX was much more popular and N64 was seen as a kiddy console.

In fact, the older you are, I believe the less likely you are to be impressed with OOT. If you grew up on 2D Zelda, OOT is a step backward. If OOT is your first Zelda game, then you think it's a masterpiece because you don't know any better.

> The impact it had is self-evident through it's massive cultural impact and numbers alone.

Wut? I'm sorry, but in 1997 the last thing everyone was doing is spouting Zelda lore on an everyday basis. In fact, most teenagers were talking about Resident Evil or MGS.

The technical impact is overrated, as if no game developer would've figured out a lock-on feature if not for OOT.

>>5271801
OoT might have a lot of optional content, but it's inconsequential to your quest (ie, doesn't make you stronger or give you any abilities). It's basically filler and doesn't give you a good reward for pursuing it.

[Anonymous No.5272391]

>>5271949
Yeah no I used to think this but Commander Keen and Beyond Castle Wolfenstein are genuinely shit games that were not shit 35+ years ago.

[Anonymous No.5272592]

>>5269273
FPBP

[Anonymous No.5272606]

Still a video game classic. It's been copied and cloned so many times and been so influential that it's impossible to make zoomers understand how groundbreaking it was at the time. I think it holds up pretty well still.

[Anonymous No.5272625]

>>5272385
>OoT's side content is inconsequential to the main quest
i hope to god this is bait. i've heard a lot of dumbshit criticisms about this game, but this has to be the worst. the biggoron sword doesn't make you more powerful? extra heart containers don't? extra spells, bottles and other optional items don't don'r give you more power or abilities? lol, consider this the stupidest thing you've ever said and make a personal point of never saying anything this retarded ever again.

[Anonymous No.5272643]

>>5272385
Not him but I can totally understand someone who grew up with 2D Zelda being underwhelmed. While OOT drew on LTTP in many ways, it was an entirely different experience and was I believe, aimed at a far more causal audience (not that LTTP is hardcore or anything) Aonuma has said he was basically trying to tell a story through the game anyone could enjoy. I don't regard it as a step backwards in terms of puzzles or story telling, but in terms of combat difficultly and size, you're right.

I can't speak for teenagers at the time, though I don't regard teenagers then or now as the best judges of anything. Ive continued to enjoy OOT well into adulthood while still getting into 2D Zelda (which I admit was an acquired taste though the game play is in someways far superior) Ive come to view 2D and 3D Zelda games as closely related but fundamentally different. I like both of them, some people do not.

That said, LTTP is far from my favorite 2D Zelda.

[Anonymous No.5272703]

>>5270269
Because it's directly comparable as an action-platformer

[Anonymous No.5272890]

>>5270703
Elementary school kids also beat the other Zelda games, that doesn't say much. You're probably one of these guys who couldn't beat Zelda 1 so you held it in high regards as some kind of Dark Souls predecessor.

[Anonymous No.5273002]

>>5272385
You have completely proven my points. I SPECIFICALLY said that it's not blasphemy to criticize OoT, but that attempts to do so are usually woefully underwhelming at best.

First off, learn what "anecdotal evidence" is. One point in particular:

>Wut? I'm sorry, but in 1997 the last thing everyone was doing is spouting Zelda lore on an everyday basis. In fact, most teenagers were talking about Resident Evil or MGS.

Oh yeah? Well let's use this marvelous invention called Google for about 10 seconds to verify your anecdotal experience and skewed perception:

"Ocarina of Time sold 2 million copies during the first 39 days it was available in 1998, and became the best-selling game of that year. During its lifetime, it sold 7.6 million copies worldwide, excluding ports and re-releases, making it the highest selling game on a single platform."

And let's see how Resident Evil compares:

"The PlayStation game became a best seller in North America.[88] It was also a bestseller in the UK.[89] According to Capcom's Investor Relations website, the original Resident Evil has sold over 2.75 million units. The Director's Cut version, including the Dual Shock edition, sold an additional 2.33 million copies.[90] Shortly after release it became the best-selling PlayStation game at the time.[91][92]"

So OoT sold about 72% as many copies in under 2 months as the entire initial run of RE1. That 2.75 million sold over about 1.5 years until the Director's Cut. Ultimately you're looking at 7.6 million vs 5 million.

So, thanks for playing there...

I'm not gonna argue about story. Either Zelda is your cup of tea or it isn't. OoT is quintessential Zelda lore. Period. And I say that as someone who like Majora's Mask more.

The sole fact that OoT still gets this much attention 20 years later should clue you in as to what's what. It's fine to have a differing opinion, but to try to rewrite history to fit with your minority opinion and unfounded criticisms...no.

[Anonymous No.5273012]

>>5269296
Lmao.

He's doing a parody of Howard Bloom criticizing Harry Potter: The Harry Potter books are, as entertainment, inoffensive. But they’re not literature; they’re middle-brow pot-boilers. I will not presume to go as far as the great Yale professor, Harold Bloom, author of The Western Canon, who said of J K Rowling’s work: “The writing was dreadful; the book was terrible. As I read, I noticed that every time a character went for a walk, the author wrote instead that the character stretched his legs’. I began marking on the back of an envelope every time that phrase was repeated. I stopped only after I had marked the envelope several dozen times. I was incredulous. Rowling’s mind is so governed by cliches and dead metaphors that she has no other style of writing.”
http://www.hogwartsprofessor.com/harry-potter-and-the-money-making-machine-harold-bloom-continues-his-assault-on-potter-mania/

Back to /lit/, you!

[Anonymous No.5273054]

>>5272625
Did you read the post I was responding to? Context is a thing.

Every zelda game has hidden heart containers and sword upgrades. Bottles and spells were introduced in LttP.

[Anonymous No.5273064]

>>5273002

Did I say that RE sold more than OOT? No, I did not say that. So nice post and research, but ultimately you're arguing against something I never said.

I said that OOT didn't have the cultural impact that the poster I replied to claimed it did. You didn't see Zelda t-shirts or toys as a result of OOT. There was no cultural craze over the game. I then went so far to claim that no one over the age of 12 talked about Zelda, because no one over the age of 12 wanted to admit to liking Nintendo games. The cultural impact of OOT is minimal at best.

By the way, there were 100 million households in America in 1998, so OOT reached all of 7% of them. Big deal. Yea, RE only reached 5% of them if you go by sales figures, but the point is that OOT didn't have a cultural impact.

If you were over 12 and had that friend who had an N64, you played Golden Eye multiplayer. He probably played OOT on the side, but he didn't come to school to talk about it with all his friends who owned a PSX.

> Sales figures
Rentals were also a thing back then.

>>5272643
> While OOT drew on LTTP in many ways

This is also something that I think gets overlooked in the "OOT is the best game evar!" discussion.

> OoT still gets this much attention 20 years later

Try again...
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-02-09-resident-evil-hd-remaster-sets-sales-record-for-psn-and-capcom-digital

[Anonymous No.5273075]

>>5272643
> I can't speak for teenagers at the time, though I don't regard teenagers then or now as the best judges of anything

The target audience for most video games is in the 12-18 range.

Nintendo purposefully targets a younger audience, 8-14ish, and then also attempts to sell nostalgia to parents by re-releasing NES and SNES games that they've probably thrown out by now.

[Anonymous No.5273098]

>>5273012
Good to know! Thanks for the lesson, kind /lit/anon.

[Anonymous No.5273107]

>>5273002
> I SPECIFICALLY said that it's not blasphemy to criticize OoT, but that attempts to do so are usually woefully underwhelming at best...First off, learn what "anecdotal evidence" is.

Look, I don't know why it's so important to make up stuff about OoT that isn't true when idolizing what people are calling the best game ever. It's as if you can't accept the fact that people weren't falling over themselves over this game and anything less than that makes it less enjoyable to you.

Now for the actual anecdotal evidence...

I will reiterate that I owned an N64. I also owned OoT. I beat the game. The experience was 'meh' compared to LttP. I expected more challenge, more content. Instead I felt like I was playing a stripped down version of LttP brought to 3D, and because of memory/graphical limitations the game was less challenging due to the inclusion of fewer enemies/characters on the screen at any one time.

I beat the game in about 2 weeks time, only dying a couple of times against Link's reflection, and then put it on the shelf. Yes, I found all the heart pieces and other items. No, I didn't care to go through the tedious task of getting all the gold skulls. And that was that.

The game that got the most playing time was Golden Eye. If anything, that game should be lauded for paving the way for FPS on consoles, as well as FPS that are story and task driven instead of the Doom style shoot-everything-that-moves games that preceded it.

The game I played second most was WCW vs. NWO World Tour.

The game I played third most was Perfect Dark, but by that time the system was waning down due to PS2 being on the horizon.

The reason I played those games more was because of the multiplayer experience - something the N64 excelled at.

Now we want to fast forward 20 years and claim that OoT was the best game ever and that it's perfect in every way. That simply isn't true, and it certainly wasn't true back then.

[Anonymous No.5273120]

>>5273064
>I said that OOT didn't have the cultural impact that the poster I replied to claimed it did. You didn't see Zelda t-shirts or toys as a result of OOT. There was no cultural craze over the game. I then went so far to claim that no one over the age of 12 talked about Zelda, because no one over the age of 12 wanted to admit to liking Nintendo games. The cultural impact of OOT is minimal at best.
You are literally insane. None of that is true in the slightest. All of what that poster said is true - you had Zelda t-shirts, Zelda toys and adults obsessed with OoT. It was the talk of middleschools and highschools all over europe and america. And my experience is with Europe, the N64 was significantly bigger in America. Maybe you didn't have those experiences, but to talk so much garbage about something you don't know about is just wrong.

[Anonymous No.5273123]

>>5273107 cont'd

And yes, I was the token guy with the Nintendo. Consider that Nintendo sold approximately 1/3-1/5 of units as PSX during the generation in the U.S., that checks with the broader stats of the nation at the time. So yea, there was no one to talk about OoT with - they didn't even own the system. Everyone was talking about the games I mentioned, and if you were into adventure/RPGs they were talking about Final Fantasy VII, which sold more than OoT on its release.

All I'm saying is people look back at OoT with rose tinted glasses. Most people, who owned a PSX, looked at it like "oh, there goes Nintendo rehashing its sequels with another Zelda game." It wasn't even the best selling game on N64. It's not even in the top 3. OoT wasn't considered some mystical revolutionary masterpiece of art until kids who grew up on it started to write articles for video game review sites.

OoT is a good game. I wouldn't go so far to call it a great game.

[Anonymous No.5273126]

>>5273120
> I grew up in Europe
> I'm going to tell you that your experience growing up in another continent is wrong.

Just go hang yourself.

[Anonymous No.5273131]

>>5273126
It's not like Zelda was big here but not there. Zelda OoT was a cultural icon all over the world period.

>>5273123
>OoT is a good game. I wouldn't go so far to call it a great game.
Nobody cares what you would call it. You clearly have a very peculiar taste and what you do has no relation with the norm. You might say you're an abomination. Either way your opinion or thoughts on any of this has no relevancy to us. At least stop spreading misinformation about how much of a cultural impact OoT was.

[Anonymous No.5273137]

>>5273131
>Zelda OoT was a cultural icon all over the world period.

[citation needed]
You can keep saying that, but it doesn't make it true.

> You clearly have a very peculiar taste and what you do has no relation with the norm.

Yea, this game that was so great it wasn't even the best selling on its own system, let alone the best selling game of the generation. Also, let's talk about the fact that the vast majority of people moved on from Nintendo in that generation of consoles.

But *I'm* the peculiar one for not being overly impressed with OoT. Right.

[Anonymous No.5273140]

What do you mean "moved on from Nintendo"?

[Anonymous No.5273142]

>>5273140
I mean that Nintendo went from having a virtual monopoly in the NES era, to having a roughly 50/50 split with Sega in the 16-bit era, to having roughly 20-30% of market share in the PSX/N64 era.

[Anonymous No.5273160]

>>5273123
>OoT wasn't considered some mystical revolutionary masterpiece of art until kids who grew up on it started to write articles for video game review sites.

[Anonymous No.5273173]

>>5273123
>It wasn't even the best selling game on N64.
wow anon

is that a pasta?

[Anonymous No.5273539]

>>5273012
It's actually both Bloom and Armond White being parodied, the first part being Armond.

[Anonymous No.5273545]

>>5273160
>what is marketing

[Anonymous No.5273548]

>>5273160
It's almost as if console peasants were always shit-eating cuckolds with a lack of taste.

[Anonymous No.5273618]

>>5273548
oh great, a random PC elitist appears as the final addition to the circus. The phrase "it's almost as if" doesn't work in that context knucklehead. This thread has nothing to do with console vs PC or anything like that. You never even liked videogames in the first place, you liked jerking off to graphics cards specifications and wasting your parents' money.

[Anonymous No.5274068]

>>5273107
I owned and played many of the same games and was perhaps a few years younger than you if you were 14 when OOT came out.

admittedly I was the Nintendo loyalist until the middle of high school when I got a PS2, but I loved the fuck out of my copy of OOT, I loved golden eye and Perfect Dark as well but I never felt at the time that all the articles hailing OOT like these >>5273160
were wrong at the time.

Again, I can totally see the game being considered meh by an audience in their teens at the time. but that fact is that many of the younger audience who grew up with it still feel it holds up to various degrees.

[Anonymous No.5274089]

>>5273618

>wasting your parents' money

I'd argue if consoles with their expensive as fuck games are really so much more waste than a PC which at first costs more (especially back then) but you can do different things than just playing games with and gaming often being cheaper in the long run.

[Anonymous No.5274623]

>>5270703
You have this backwards. The target audience age range didn't age. The audience changed after playing OoT. Playing OoT as a child leads to stunted skills, increased willingness to accept cheap, padded-out time-wasting gameplay, and difficulty appreciating other games with genuine innovation.
>>5272890
>Elementary school kids also beat the other Zelda game
True, but they are still more challenging than OoT in most respects.

[Anonymous No.5274676]

>>5274089
Nah at least you can count on 5 years of life at least out of a console, where as the latest and greatest PC is completely outdated within a year.

[Anonymous No.5276342]

>>5271187
is there any reason not to just play the remake? what does the n64 version have over it??

[Anonymous No.5276372]

>>5274676
This has only ever been true if you either didn't know what hardware to buy in the first place or if you only play iD games.

[Anonymous No.5276396]

>>5274623
You troll a little -.people get infuriated, reject your asinine suggestions, insult you and this gets your dick hard.

You get greedy and ambitious in your trolling - people don't believe it's a real person or think you belong in an institution, they just ignore and you get nothing.

[Anonymous No.5276707]

>>5276396
I wish it was trolling.

[Anonymous No.5276848]

>>5269269
It a polished but mediocre game that practically plays itself, which is okay since it was for 7 year olds. Other games like Soul Reaver did the puzzles and combat much better but theyre really unpolished in comparison to OoT

[Anonymous No.5276851]

>>5269296
Based

[Anonymous No.5276861]

>>5273548
Not retro but HL2 is as big an overrated piece of shit as OoT and in every way a step backwards from HL1. I dont trust the judgement of anyone who can play that game today and not be underwhelmed by the mediocre combat, and gimmicky physics puzzles and interactions.

[Anonymous No.5276864]

>>5274623
>The audience changed after playing OoT
There is some truth to this. Look at how allergic the average young Zelda fan is to any sort of in game challenges or progression that is up to the player to discover through exploration. There's at least one NES Zelda thread per week crying about how impossible Zelda is.

[Anonymous No.5276870]

>>5270737
>"Zoomers" are the ones shitting on Ocarina of Casuals while professing their love for 2D Zelda
Sure thing buddy, now get back to your homework

[Anonymous No.5276875]

>>5269269
It's the worst 90's Zelda excluding CDi crap.
You know it's true.
Not a bad game though, but massively overrated.

[Anonymous No.5277114]

>>5269269
7/10

laid the groundwork for what would become a stagnant formula only broken by botw. Pace is shit imo, the game doesn't really start for me until you beat the little link levels, that's when the game decides to get interesting

awful speed imo, speed running tricks only do so much for a game that stops you every 5 minutes to lay out patronizing tutorials AFTER you already did what the tutorial says

^RE:stopping the game every 5 mins, it immediately turns me off when you can't skip cutscenes, dialogue, or inbetweens. It eats up a lot of time when you forget to save

I really don't care about graphics much, but the crispy hd/uhd rez when run on an emulator is something to behold, i.e. A S T H E T I C S

[Anonymous No.5277118]

>>5277114
EDIT: First timers will have a blast

[Anonymous No.5277209]

>>5276875
LttP is the worst.

[Anonymous No.5277253]

>>5272004
metal gear solid

[Anonymous No.5277258]

>>5272385
the people who were still into gaming at that point got a PSX and those that thought gaming was for little kids got the n64 and then later dropped it until the ps2 came out with GTA3 and made games cool and mature again, they then proceeded to flood metacritic with nostalgia

[Anonymous No.5277262]

>>5276875
The Oracles are the worst. They're just so damn boring.

[Anonymous No.5277276]

>>5273548
consoles used to be mechanically diffferent until the xbox and xbox 360 generation where they became cheap PC fps ports

[Anonymous No.5277282]

>>5276861
this is both true and fair

[Anonymous No.5277306]

>>5272363
Because Spyro is a superior action/adventure game not based on boring cliches

[Anonymous No.5277326]

Revolutionary in 1998

Slow, boring, and clunky today.

A Link to the Past is still perfectly playable.

[Anonymous No.5277334]

>>5272004
Spyro
Crash 2
Spyro 2

[Anonymous No.5277424]

>>5273012
>The Harry Potter books are, as entertainment, inoffensive. But they’re not literature; they’re middle-brow pot-boilers

You know I'm not going to argue the Harry Potter books were better than middle brow entertainment but who the hell gets to decide what is "literature" and what isn't?

[Anonymous No.5277497]

>>5269269
Its honestly hard to judge this game anymore. I've played so much that I'm utterly sick of it. I havent been able to get much past the Deku Tree in my past few attempts because I'm just so completely done with it--
BUT it only got like that because I devoured it so much over the years. the music and sounds are ingrained in my soul. And I wasn't even all that young when it came out so it's not that level of nostalgia (like I have with LTtP)

[Anonymous No.5277503]

>>5277424
Harold Bloom

[Anonymous No.5277526]

>>5277326
>clunky

Anyone who says "clunky" has a sub 80 IQ and should be shot.

[Anonymous No.5277557]

>>5269675
You fell for the "dark is more powerful" meme

[Anonymous No.5277585]

>>5269269
It's the best 3D Zelda game

[Anonymous No.5277974]

>>5269269
Okay game with okay combat and an okay open world. Good graphics for the time taking in consideration the hardware it's running on.

[Anonymous No.5278898]

>>5277424
>I don't care what you read, just read! We must promote literacy among the youth!
>...Just don't read this! If you haven't picked up Infinite Jest by age 12 you are honestly fucked.

[Anonymous No.5278918]

>>5269269
most overrated zelda game of all time.

[Anonymous No.5278946]

>>5278898
He says children should read things like Rudyard Kipling and Alice in Wonderland.

Off topic, but it's kinda sad how disconnected zoomers are from things like mythology, classics from the Western cannon, and Biblical allusions (from a literary, not religious standpoint). That's why they can only make references to shitty, passing pop culture trends that will pass away in a generation. You think 250 years from now people are going to know what any of these references to mediocre media means?

Anyway, A Link to the Past, now THAT was a good game.

[Anonymous No.5279287]

>>5278946
Those people have a specific name: soulles bugmen.

[Anonymous No.5279310]

>>5278946
You made a good point only to shat all over yourself with that pol bait pic.

[Anonymous No.5279329]

>>5279310
>le pol boogeyman
Yikes

[Anonymous No.5279330]

>>5279310
Just like when Harry fought the basilisk but was put on restriction for breaking curfew XD

[Anonymous No.5279352]

Harry Potter has stayed relevant for close to 20 years. So much for your greek classics

[Anonymous No.5279424]

>>5278946
Yeah its sad that people are disconnected from that stuff. But expecting kids to read Alice and Wonderland is a bit . . . much.

[Anonymous No.5279425]

>>5279352
wtf are you smoking?

[Anonymous No.5279430]

>sub-20 FPS
>unskippable cinematic cutscenes
>unskippable walls of dialogue, with an owl put in everywhere so you can't even mash through it
>no challenge
>no new game +
>no post game
>useless sidequests, like the running man

It's a good game, and it WAS good for its time. However, it's aged poorly.

[Anonymous No.5279440]

>>5279425
Can't refute hard facts.

[Anonymous No.5279473]

>>5279430
you can skip the owl
>>useless sidequests, like the running man
running man isn't a sidequest, it was always intended as sort of a mini-game where players would test themselves to see how fast they could get to Kokiri Forest

[Anonymous No.5279754]

I have an honest question about OoT.

I have never played it, but own it and a N64. I also have it for the Gamecube AND the Virtual Console on the Wii. After I finish the non-retro PC game I am playing, I plan on playing & beating OoT. Is there a definitive or best version that is advised? I know very little about the game, as I refuse to read about games I have not already played (I like to know as little as possible to be surprised).

I would be playing this on a Samsung TX 2035 CRT 15khz, and have Svideo for my N64, and know that the wii outputs properly via component video to this set.

What would you do?

[Anonymous No.5279926]

>>5279754
Alot of people would say the 3DS version is the best, the gold cartridge is the best for N64. I dont know how well the ports to gamecube etc run.

[Anonymous No.5280190]

>>5279926
>the gold cartridge is the best for N64
Mine is just Grey, but I think it should play the same.

[Anonymous No.5280195]

>>5279473
A minigame shouldn't exist unless it offers SOMETHING of a reward. A useless number is complete garbage.

[Anonymous No.5280285]

>>5279754
Gamecube, virtual console, 3ds, and latest n64 version are watered-down (changes to the game to be politically correct and kid friendly, like changing blood from red to green etc.). Play one of the original n64 carts (1.0 or 1.1)

[Anonymous No.5280293]

>>5279754
I say N64, since the game was designed with the layouts of an N64 controller in mind. Playing the ocarina is tedious enough, it's even worse when you have to remember what button represents Down C or Left C or the like.

[Anonymous No.5280327]

>>5280195
>>5280195
you talk as if another heart container wouldn't be just as useless in such an easy game

[Anonymous No.5280362]

>>5280293
How the fuck do you forget the direction down

[Anonymous No.5280370]

>>5280362
You don't use the analog stick to play the Ocarina songs.

[Anonymous No.5280471]

>>5272592
F

[Anonymous No.5280791]

>>5279352
>20 years
>comparing HP to greek literature

OK. Let's see if Harry Potter still holds up after 2500 years, then we'll talk.

[Anonymous No.5280936]

>>5280285
Yes but the 3DS version has a higher frame rate, better graphics,equal or better controls boss rush mode and the master quest. So its a trade off between authenticity and game play.

[Anonymous No.5280969]

>>5272592
i genuinely like egoraptor but the fuck happened to his blob of a wife? I never trust a woman who has that much make up on to begin with but holy fuck.

[Anonymous No.5280975]

>>5280285
>changing blood from red to green etc
Is that the major change from 1.0/1.1 to 1.2? I did inspect my cart, and it is a 1.2 version. To me that wouldn't matter too terribly much. I may have to look into getting another everdrive just for shits/giggles. I will be getting another one no matter what.

>>5280293
>I say N64, since the game was designed with the layouts of an N64 controller in mind.
This was my line of though as well. It just seems like a more authentic experience.

>>5280791
>Let's see if Harry Potter still holds up after 2500 years
People will think you are talking about the bearded guy with the kiln. There is no way that garbage will last 40 years, let alone 1000+

>>5280936
>Yes but the 3DS version has a higher frame rate
A sub-5" screen is enough of a turn off that I would never buy or use one for myself, not when I have 3 other versions of the game and a few SD CRT.

[Anonymous No.5280984]

>>5269269
I’m a Zoomer who played it for the first time recently with no nostalgia and had a blast. Great game.

[Anonymous No.5280990]

>>5278946
It's due to lack of real life experience to reflect on and lack of biblical knowledge to analogize to. Without that common set of religious stories uniting our civilization they need secular pop culture stand-ins to explain things. Unfortunately pop culture is ephemeral and it'll be hard for people to understand what is talked about today in 30 years, unlike biblical references which have been used and understood for millennia. They're also far less universal, a Polish person won't understand French pop culture nor would a Frenchman understand Polish pop culture but both of them are united in a history of Catholicism and would understand the story of David and Goliath or other such stories.

>>5279352
powerful.....

[Anonymous No.5281017]

>>5278946
>>5280990
oh my god shut the fuck up and fuck off you fucking nerds this is a video game board not a board for your fucking paper rectangles full of bullshit words
if i wanted to read words i'd fucking play a visual novel

[Anonymous No.5281020]

>>5281017
Quit being a faggot BROTHER

[Anonymous No.5281028]

>>5281020
Can't wait until this faggot's heart explodes.

[Anonymous No.5281038]

>>5281028
Monster Ultra can do that

[Anonymous No.5281245]

>>5280975
>Is that the major change from 1.0/1.1 to 1.2?
https://tcrf.net/The_Legend_of_Zelda:_Ocarina_of_Time/Program_Revision_Differences

[Anonymous No.5281489]

all i can say is i liked it when i played it. i imagine the graphics would look a bit dated playing it now but other than that im sure the gameplay holds up well.

[Anonymous No.5281491]

>>5269273
Confirmed Arin is retarded.

[Anonymous No.5281507]

>>5280975
> A sub-5" screen is enough of a turn off that I would never buy or use one for myself, not when I have 3 other versions of the game and a few SD CRT.

Fair enough, though I own both versions and I would rather play the 3DS one.

[Anonymous No.5281569]

>>5277262
The Oracle games came out in 2001.

[Anonymous No.5281581]

>>5279424
I read Alice when I was a kid. It's not a difficult book.

[Anonymous No.5281589]

>>5280195
>talking shit about arcade games

[Anonymous No.5281593]

>>5281581
It's not a good book either.

[Anonymous No.5281595]

>>5269269
Pretty badly, the remake is fine though.

[Anonymous No.5281602]

>>5281593
Wasn't anon's argument. Kids read terrible books (like Harry Potter), all the time. Anon's implication is that you shouldn't expect kids to read Alice because it's too difficult/old/weird/whatever.

[Anonymous No.5281635]

>>5277262
>>5281569
Also the oracle games are great. I will never understand the antipathy towards them

[Anonymous No.5281649]

>>5281635
Oracle of Seasons is my favorite handheld Zelda.

[Anonymous No.5284115]

>>5281635
more of the same, maybe

[Anonymous No.5284315]

>>5269273
this