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DOOM THREAD / RETRO FPS THREAD - Last thread >>5257620

Gameplay, WADs/Maps/Mods, Source Ports
All other retro FPS welcome
~~ Let's post like gentlemen ~~


Doom, Quake, Duke, Marathon, or Thief:
-Album of infographics with setup information and user-made content recommendations

Same thing, but in video format:

IWADs and more (>3 GB): https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B47V8l2eVZKxRU82S3JkZkdBRXM
PortaDOOM: https://github.com/Kroc/PortaDOOM/releases
Quake pastebin (2016-06-22): http://pastebin.com/XjBHDRFw
Downloads for various /vr/ shooters. (Includes Duke Nukem, Doom, Blood, and Quake.)

Doom RPG series

Launchers for Build Engine games



Vanilla/Boom: https://www.doomworld.com/forum/4-wads-mods/
ZDoom: http://forum.zdoom.org/viewforum.php?f=19
/idgames: https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/





https://pastebin.com/yzwgaLp7 (embed)



>> No.5264512

=== NEWS ===

[1-1] GZDoom 3.7.1

[1-1] SM190 - Six Textures released for Quake

[12-31] La Tailor Girl updated to 1.70H

[12-31] PortaDOOM Cacowards 2018 Released

[12-30] 100 Minutes of /vr/ on Doomworld

[12-28] GZDoom 3.7.0 released

[12-26] Anon makes a mutator 'ArmorisHitPoints'

[12-26] ESRGAN algorithm used to make HD Textures for RTCW

[12-26] The Merry Christmassy Doom Project

[12-26] Anon map release: Exotic Exports

[12-26] DOOMBA, a Roomba script that turns clean maps into Doom maps
https://twitter.com/DickWhitehouse/status/1077227171482021889 (embed)

[12-24] Hellshots Golf sees a formal release

[12-16] Doomsday's 2.1 update released

[12-15] BloodGDX and WitchavenGDX both updated

[12-13] Spram's Metroid Doom

[12-13] Eric releases 'Corruptor of Humanity', a multiplayer gamemode for Hideous Destructor

=== PREVIOUS ===


=== PROTIP ===

To submit news, please reply and anchor it to this post.

>> No.5264518
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Here's what are supposed to be the videos in the OP, I got in a rush and forgot to copy over the youtube links

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There was nothing wrong with the other OP. Stop being so thin-skinned.

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Here's to 2019 and another year of Doom mods and modding accessories.

>> No.5264546
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Hey, I want to get into mapping for quake. Decided to use gtkradiant, made a basic map and I need to compile it, but the BSP menu is empty. What do I do?

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Can we get the other OP back? This one is boring, tasteless, stale, and without humor; Some people are taking a joke title way too seriously.
Probably a demon or something.
Also this OP might of been banned for racism.
Thank you.

>> No.5264575


>> No.5264576

I'm curious to know why you chose gtkradiant over Trenchbroom 2. Trenchbroom is an easy to use editor that's made even easier by the amazing set of tutorials its creator made.

>> No.5264579
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What are you playing?

>> No.5264581
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How's that map coming along, anon?

I just need to texture the techbase part of this map and add some more supplies and I think it'll be good to go. I've also got an idea to improve Hideous Destructor playability without changing the map's vanilla gameplay that I'm eager to try out.

>> No.5264582

Lunar Catastrophe and Rise of the Wool Ball.

>> No.5264585


>> No.5264589

my dick

>> No.5264590
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Okay, smartass.
Give us some sauce!
Dude, I don't even know. It's way too much for me to handle alone and I've stated that since the beginning.

>> No.5264593

>Okay, smartass.
I could have being playing quake

>> No.5264595

Okay, that's fair.
The foolish assumption was of wondering what wads/mods one was playing, but then again I did ask incredibly vaguely, so that's all on me.

>> No.5264596

quake is DUMB

>> No.5264602

thats not the creator, hes a mapper that uses it. sleepwalkr is the name of trenchbroom's programmer

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>> No.5264605

... Please?
I wanna know your thoughts about them.

>> No.5264607

you can almost see her entire boobs!
can't show that in a christian game

>> No.5264608

I want a non gay explanation on why there are no weapons, monster mods or tcs for quake

>> No.5264610

its hard :)

>> No.5264612

my understanding is that quake modding doesn't work like zdoom where everything can be mixed and matched and easily replaced
if you want new monsters and weapons, you have to make new maps that employ them

>> No.5264613

There is, though. I found a pretty neat one once which had a lot of weird things, including a grappling flail and Head-Grenades...

...These same head-grenades can randomly turn on you and chase you to your death, though.

I can't remember the name. You'd have to ask Mr. Azrael/Atomiska about it.

>> No.5264615

Arcane dimensions is a thing too. From my understanding, Quake modding is significantly weirder and tougher than Doom modding. So the community is smaller.

>> No.5264619

You've got Quake 1.5 coming in the near-future.
There are mods out there for this sort of stuff, but they're very obscure and pretty fucking shit. It's just a hell of a lot harder making and animating 3D models worth a damn for mod developers depending on how you get into the scene.

>> No.5264624

There are some. Mostly ancient though. Anyways one reason is that Quake's modding language QuakeC is basically C, which is much harder for the average uneducated person to learn than Decorate or Dehacked.

>> No.5264625

Lunar Catastrophe captures the id feel pretty well while having its own twists though some maps so far feel a bit longwinded (probably doesn't help that I space sessions out)

Rise of the Wool Ball is bredy qt and I love how the ROTT-influenced gameplay complements the graphics though I wish you were a tad less squishier.

>> No.5264626
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It worked, I'm a genius. This wall doesn't have any way to open it normally - you can only get in by using HD's geometry destruction. Placed inside are things with HD-specific Doomednums, to provide the player specifically with frag grenades and a ladder to better handle this part of the map. I'll have to come up with some better indicator that that's what you're supposed to do, although I suppose a distinct texture of small size like this ought to make it obvious enough.

>> No.5264627

every time rise of the triad is brought up, i'm reminded of the fact that besides Return and some recreations for Samsara, no one's done enemy/weapon ports to Doom to just dick around with and such

i tried to do it but i procrastinated, and after a point very early on as someone not experienced with that sort of stuff, it all became almost nonsensical to me

>> No.5264629

Oh yeah, I remember how RotWB was ROTTlike. Doom's community should really consider glancing at how the hell it's GADDs work. I've only ever been able to get close to floating bridge actors, but they can't move easily move, be given commands by the mapper, and carry actors on them at the same time.

>> No.5264631


I chose radiant because its a little more traditional. Seems like you could do more with radiant than trenchbroom, but maybe I'm wrong?

>> No.5264632
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The next episode of Wool Ball should emulate the greatest FPS on the mid-90's: William Shatner's TekWar.

>> No.5264635

>Doom's community should really consider glancing at how the hell it's GADDs work
it's just floating actors with wide width and low height

that's all

>> No.5264636

I gotta play this sometime. Maybe I'll stream it.

>> No.5264638


How do I use this?

>> No.5264642
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It's really not. Try replicating the behavior of the GADDS in DOOM. It's not as straightforward as you think, because they stop whenever an actor intersects them vertically or horizontally. Horizontally makes some sense (though it should be up to the mapper), ROTT's don't. They carry any corpses, ammo, or weapons ontop of them and still keep moving, IIRC.

Pic related, It's one of three different examples in the wad. They have to be really small too, as actors will try to wander outside of their normal radius and appear to be "floating" on air. Which isn't what you want.

>> No.5264643

>They carry any corpses, ammo, or weapons ontop of them and still keep moving
And live actors too, sorry, but ROTT enemies tend to walk off them anyway as they don't recognize it as another platform (likely a W3d engine limitation)

>> No.5264668

1st thing i do when i sit down at highchool/college
>open laptop
>open launch gzdoom
>continue where i left off cus the 2 first lessons are Philosophy and all there is already familiar
feels good man

>> No.5264674
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I like tekwar as the Terrorists! game mod

>> No.5264680
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The music for Map 27 of Freedoom Phase 2 is surprisingly moody

>> No.5264682

If Chex got a proper Super Shotgun replacement, would it be called "The Universal Remote"?

>> No.5264698
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zoomer here
whats the best way to play doom wads (even brutal doom) on phones?

>> No.5264707

Freedoom's soundtrack is one of my favorite parts of it, honestly. Also I do like the gloomy aesthetic, even if some of the models and textures are a bit shit.

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>brutal doom
Run boy. Run like mad. You unwittingly stepped on a hornet's nest. People will eat you alive for having mentioned that

>> No.5264719
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Almost done Freedoom 2. It's been pretty good

Also Terrorists is a pretty fun mod

>> No.5264723


Found this by googling and it's based on GZDoom though I don't know how recently it's been updated or if it's any good since I don't have an Android device atm.

>> No.5264730

I know D4T was made to be compatible with D-Touch, so maybe try that?

>> No.5264756

but there's a handful of them in the OP vid about Quake what

>> No.5264758

Ultimate DOOM is the worst fucking thing. How am I supposed to enjoy this game when the music SOUNDS LIKE ASS?!

>> No.5264764 [DELETED] 

Why does brutal doom cause the ultimate chimpout?

>> No.5264771
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danks : )

>> No.5264816

Has Ion Maiden added any new maps yet?

>> No.5264819

I think somebody forked it and put it on github but then abandoned that too. Should be slightly newer than that one and also free.

Edit: Found it. https://github.com/nvllsvm/GZDoom-Android

>> No.5264830
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First comments to 100 Minutes

>> No.5264838

By obtaining better taste.

>> No.5264840

You are hopeless, anon.

>> No.5264842

The music doesn't even sound like the original, imagine the 32x ost but 100x worse

>> No.5264845
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Well done boys.

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For you mappers out there, how do you go about it? Do you plan things out beforehand or do you just throw shit at the wall and see if it sticks?

>> No.5264875

>the original music doesn't sound like the original music

>> No.5264876
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>that janky-ass gameplay
>the texture alignment which is just all over the place
>the dull and repetitive missions
>those fucking matrix levels
That really has to be one of the worst thing Shatner has ever been apart of. I haven't read the books so I have no idea how they compare in terms of quality.

If you're prone to epileptic seizures, reconsider that.

>> No.5264894

run oblige for inspiration, add terry traps at dead ends and done

>> No.5264896

I want to make a DOOM mod like Grezzo 2, but I don't know where to start. I want original enemies, weapons, maps, powerups, and I want a brutal doom-like gore system

>> No.5264901

I know that's a joke but I can't help but ponder how awful that would be.

>> No.5264934
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What did they think of this years Cacowards?

>> No.5264936

Any free wads by professional mapmakers? Like Arcadia demade or the two maps by Romero.

>> No.5264940

I made several

>> No.5264941

FreeDoom on android now uses GZDoom too, dunno what version. It's free.

Doom-Touch has been removed from market after Beth purged it nearing the release of nuDoom, but then was put back on as Delta Touch - it has 4 ports - Chocolate, PRBoom, Doom Retro and several versions of GZDoom - 1.9.1, 3.2, 3.6 and some other. It has better controls and overall better framerate with mods (can even run Brewtal Dewm and Guncaster on my chinkphone), but costs around 2 bucks or so. When it just released, Beloko was giving it out for free to people who bought Doom Touch before (which also cost 2 bucks back then)

>> No.5264951

t. Tim "big boy" Willits

>> No.5264953

Well, one of them is dead, and the other is probably doing VR stuff or space rockets still.
I guess shoot Trent Reznor an e-mail or something.

>> No.5264975
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>mfw Explosive Chainsaw
LegenDoom never ceases to amuse me.

>> No.5265028
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At some point in the past mentioned they wanted to see more Remnants pop up. This probably won't help it that much, but body props can sometimes spawn groups of 2-6 (weaker) zombies.

>> No.5265042
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Anyone played this? It looks fun as fuck.

>> No.5265053

Damn...hearing Curse of the Donuts is "a must for anybody" despite how unfinished it ended up being is really nice.

>> No.5265057

That's a stylish health bar, did you make it?

>> No.5265064

https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=1051578 It can be found here.

>> No.5265080
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Could anyone make less obtrusive healthbar, maybe integrated into the crosshair?
Here's a mockup based on Quake 3-style crosshair that I whipped up a while ago as an example. Left bar for enemy HP, right bar, maybe for player ammo or something.

>> No.5265085

I think Wildweasel did something like that a while back, check ZDF.

>> No.5265098

Isn't that just HL2's crosshair but with enemy health showing up instead of yours?
Q2/3 crosshair was static if I remember correctly.

>> No.5265120

I said I used Quake 3 crosshair as a base for the mockup, meaning i copypasted it then drew over it. HL2 crosshair is way too big and opaque which makes it more obtrusive than this one.

He did a healthbar akin to what >>5265028 has, and another one that just puts numbers around the crosshair (that is distracting)

>> No.5265132

Which ports remain vanilla compatible without being locked to 35 FPS?

>> No.5265137

Crispy. PrBoom+.

>> No.5265145

It's got a pretty neat gimmick.

>> No.5265154

>new LTG
Muh dick

Milf character when

>> No.5265158

are you drunk?

>> No.5265162

It's the same music.

>> No.5265172

Delta touch.

>> No.5265175

Every map I've made is entirely improvised. I just make corridors and rooms and hope the results are good.

>> No.5265176

All that is not chocolate.
GZDoom is "vanilla-compatible" too, you know.
The term you probably are looking for is "Vanilla-limited" - for that, only Crispy. All others add Boom features.

>> No.5265179

Who fucking cares.

>> No.5265182

...everyone who worked on it?
And at least these two >>5264845>>5265053

>> No.5265191

Wasn't Graf vocal about how compatibility was a waste of time for GZDoom?

>> No.5265192


>> No.5265197

Hey /doom/.
I have a problem. I keep abandoning my maps, feeling that I can't finish them. Help me. How can I do something cool with the editor?

>> No.5265213
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The "Plasma Gun" weapon sprite is actually the front end of a dart-firing Nerf M60 replica.

>> No.5265216

>I keep abandoning my maps
it's not exactly a hard problem to answer
finish them

the difficulty is not in figuring out *what* to do, because in literally any map it's easy to put down a square room and putting an exit portal in the middle
it's in actually doing it

>> No.5265219 [DELETED] 

Lol, try playing an actual good game that isn't so fucking boring you have to ask someone how to enjoy it.

>> No.5265220 [DELETED] 

You don't belong there.

>> No.5265223 [DELETED] 

holy shit you worthless fucking nigger stop fucking replying to obvious bait

>> No.5265225 [DELETED] 

Good, I wouldn't want to.

>> No.5265227

GZDoom isn't really vanilla compatible. There are a few things it can't do. Demos, for one, and dehacked patches don't work quite the same.
It is mostly compatible though.

>> No.5265229 [DELETED] 

Lol, try playing an actual good game that isn't so fucking boring you have to ask someone how to enjoy it.

>> No.5265246

Froci, look at this.

>> No.5265252

Nice. I have some old toy/nerf guns lying, I wonder if they make for good weapon sprites with a bit of work in PS.

>> No.5265258

Who do you think is the better NRFTL designer? Russel Meakim or Richard Heath?

>> No.5265262
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ahahaha xDDDD

>> No.5265312

Did you perhaps use an odd midi setting?

>> No.5265313

Trent Reznor's opinion:

>> No.5265346

DEHACKED works just fine, but there's a 50/50 chance to bug out if you try to combine it with a ZScript/Decorate mod. If you launch just a map and DEH it will work all the time.

thats what MBF gets you.

>> No.5265352

Something in learned in Strife: there's a lot of secrets that aren't marked as secrets, which means exploration matters.

>> No.5265361

>The secrets on the map are relatively easy to find
>so you think you got 100% and the tally says the same
>but there are better hidden secrets that are not marked that you will never discover since you don't search for them aftyer getting "100"

>> No.5265380

>secrets aren't really secret because their existence is told to you and numbered
>the unmarked secrets from Strife are true secrets
My whole life was a lie.

>> No.5265384

Episode 4 Thy Flesh Consumed is so much more interesting than the other 3 episodes holy shit. Whoever designed this episode was insane.

>> No.5265386

>DEHACKED works just fine
It really depends on how far you go with it. Simple hacks will work fine, but there are quirks that won't replicate in GZDoom. Last I checked Batman Doom still didn't work, for instance.

>> No.5265387

If you count commercial TCs there's MALICE which is pretty damn good and xmen shadows of apocalypse, which i haven't played.
There's also arcane dimensions and zerstorer but they're not that different from base quake.
The thing is most quake mods are mp focused as most people only cared about multiplayer with quake.

>> No.5265406

Somebody needs to bring back "Super Secrets" or "Super Secret Levels"

>> No.5265414


>> No.5265415

lmao get owned nerd

>> No.5265420

I know, I mean in modern retro (does that make sense?) FPS

>> No.5265423

>regular secrets count from 0 to 100%, so 1/5 would be 20%, 3/5 is 60% and so on
>supersecrets only count if you found 100% of the regular secrets.
>Don't show up as anything special on the map
>Count from 100% to 200%, so in case of 1/3 SS you get 133%, 2/3 is 167% etc.

>> No.5265424

Even Free Enterprise is better than TekWar

>> No.5265427
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>People like our projects
Feels good man. I'm really impressed that you guys were able to squeeze out some fairly decent maps in the short amount of time given.

>> No.5265429

so, basically all of the Unreal and Half-Life secrets

>> No.5265431

that episode was a trip

>> No.5265437

TekWar really feels like if someone tried to make a superambitious Duke mod withought having any idea of what he was doing

>> No.5265440

How is it legal that d-touch charges money? They're literally just packing other peoples work together. I get that the ports are open source but it still feels fucked to me.

>> No.5265446

Capstone, what would you expect? Money to licence different engines but no real clue how to property utilize them. Thank god they folded before shitting out Corridor 8, another would-be "gem" in the BUILD engine.

>> No.5265452

Under the license GZDoom is under, perfectly legal as long as they provide source code for the modifications. Beloko does provide the android-ported source codes on request.
Another thing is the universal wrapper for multiple engines with unified, highly customizable control schemes and mod selector - that is his own, and IDK if he's providing code for that (doubtful).

>> No.5265465

Mobile seems to be the wild west.
Legal to modify the engine buuut it's still crappy to charge money for it.

>> No.5265468

has anyone played the mobile rpg games in the op?
so far, besides meta doom, there's only russion walkthroughs of the games

>> No.5265480
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Does anyone even play the Doom RPG mod anymore? shit is still fun, also RLA 1.1 when

>> No.5265483

Yeah. 100 minutes was maybe a bit absurd. Next time we should go for a different limit. Sector limit or monster. Size. All three. Something

>> No.5265491

How much better would Doom SNES be if Nintendo didn't whine and complain to them to censor most of the gore, and were given 2-3 more months to work on the port?

>> No.5265496

Probably still dogshit because it's on the SNES which can't do 3D for shit, see: Starfox.

>> No.5265498

they couldve just overclocked the cart unless theres restrictions behind doing something like that, the engine they made was more inaccurate than any source ports on pc so nothing would be different

>> No.5265521

Starfox was good graphically by SNES standards. Plus it helped that it was not 1st person by default

>> No.5265531

What if it had both the SFX2 and the DSP-2 chip in the cart?

>> No.5265556

The extra time koghtve helped. The port itself is a damn miracle on it's own. Guy who made it is a bit of a wizard.

>> No.5265560

I don't know why but the filename cracked me up

>> No.5265576

Your brain is weird.

>> No.5265580

well, the simplicity and bluntness coupled with the webm itself did it.

>> No.5265594


>> No.5265603

>also RLA 1.1 when
Pretty soon, it seems.

>> No.5265610

Has anyone ever made an enemy out of Doom's cover?
As in, the red barons with yellow horns and cybernetic armguns?

>> No.5265614

That was done for ages now. (At least since 2013)
What has not been done is actual swing mechanics - you can't swing from the rope, or reel yourself up/down on demand, only get pulled to point of impact.

>> No.5265618

I thought John Carmack didn't like that they were messing with the engine to make it run better on the console? Or was that the Saturn port

>> No.5265634

I know he played silly buggers with the developers of the GBA Doom.

>> No.5265637

>tfw 2 doom 2 textures were used in a gba shooter

>> No.5265653

The one who designed Canyon of the Dead and Hell Mountain. Those were the best maps.

>> No.5265657

3DO port.
Developers used affline texture perspective to render it faster (like most 3D engines did at the time), but it was fucking up every single texture, so Carmack NOPEd the thing and told them to use proper rendering methods.
IIRC he helped with Saturn port.

>> No.5265680

You! Hey, you! Have you seen in this thread great stuff about Hideous Destructor, but had issues getting to start playing? Are most mapsets way too hard in HD for you?

Introducing: Wolfendoom HD Trainer!

Ok, seriously now, it's just a bunch of Laz Rojas Wolfendoom maps that I converted to be purely vanilla. They're way too easy for vanilla play, but they work perfectly as a beginner's introduction to HD - they're about as hard as regular Doom on UV! There is no monster closets, no crazy traps, and there's a ton of alternate routes and cover.


I will be working on rebalancing it, so we will *finally* get a proper 32map megawad that is fully Hideous Destructor compatible.

NOTE: For some reason, Laz Rojas chose not to implement difficulty levels, so monsters spawn at I'm Death Incarnate levels regardless of difficulty chosen. So there's no difference between Ugly, Grotesque and Hideous. I have honestly no idea what to do about that, because currently maps are already way too easy, and implementing difficulty would make them even easier. So Ugly, Grotesque and Hideous all play exactly the same.

>> No.5265687

Neat, i've been looking for more maps that play well with HD.

>> No.5265693
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Linedefs are the reason why this game is above all else, maps are beautiful in other games for sure, but Linedef mapping made it possible to make the perfect and most fluid mapping to make challenging and dynamically beautiful maps.

Sorry Duke.

>> No.5265698

I hope Ketchup Doom 5.1 works with the latest Zandronum. Also hoping to figure out how to setup Ancient Aliens, be it for either Doom 1 or 2.

>> No.5265701

Here's the kind of rope swinging mechanics I'm wishing to see one day in GZDoom

>> No.5265709

>tfw my map was the only one that got negative criticism
Oh well.

>> No.5265716

Why did they discard the old Zandronum (then Skulltag) announcer? It was cool as fuck.

>> No.5265721

>preferring abstract tech-bases over duke's pseudo real locations
Disgusting taste m8

>> No.5265734

If you're already experienced, I strongly recommend going for either Grimdark or Nightmare, especially if you're already familiar with Wolf3D maps and unlikely to get lost.

>> No.5265735

But 2 of them got negative criticism.

>> No.5265739

Duke has an edge on level design, but the monsters and weapons are shit.

>> No.5265742

Am I the only one who thinks those AD smoke effects look really bad?

>> No.5265750

Weapons are more diverse in Duke, Monsters could be better, right.

>> No.5265754

Duke Nukem's level design is somewhat restricted by its goal of representationalism. In Doom, people can go mental with completely abstract designs.

>> No.5265758

>more realistic is better

>> No.5265765

That's precisely what makes Duke's levels boring.

>> No.5265775

Fucked up to thing Doom 3 MP existed and had power ups because i never seen them being used ever

>> No.5265786

And Redemption of the Slain, the best Doom wad ever made.

>> No.5265787

quickly results in unrelatable maze fuckery

it is when it's well done, and a fucking nightmare when not

see above dickwad

>> No.5265791

Duke had Allen Blum who was better than al Doom mappers combined. That set the bar too high for usermappers though, nobody managed to reach the same heights.

>> No.5265792

this basically

often copied, never equalled

>> No.5265804

It also had Levelord.

>> No.5265807

Isn't GZDoom barely compatible with itself?

>> No.5265810

Some of his maps are OK.

>> No.5265814

Duke levels were basically a third of Take No Prisoners without the top-down view to make them fun. They looked great sure but they in know way had the fun and maneuverability of Doom.

>> No.5265817

There are mods that have been made for GZDoom for the most recent versions of the past year that have been utterly broken with the last update.

You get a lot of that with GZDoom, they'll break whatever is being used and tell the mod developers to shut up and deal with it.

>> No.5265821

Man Take No Prisoners was neat, it's arguably still one of the most interesting top-down shooters.

Rip Raven.

>> No.5265824

The gameplay in most BUILD games is vastly different to that of DOOM. DOOMlets having difficulties adjusting to Blood on the last two skills should be indicator enough.

>> No.5265831

With Strife and the possible RPG stuff that can be put in Doom, i'm surprised nobody made a Kingdom Hearts mod.

>> No.5265837

Blood was a difficult game in it's own way, the levels were well made for what it had because it didn't constrain itself as much to cities like Duke. The only thing I'll rag on it for is some gameplay elements were just fucking difficult for being so raw and young compared to when other games in the industry did them, but that's a small thing.

>> No.5265853
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Map 29 in Freedoom 2 is pretty good.

>> No.5265859
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You are dead, openIconOfSin

>> No.5265863
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I had no idea that the cast to Terrorists was so prestige

>> No.5265876

Levelord pales in comparison. His best level was the unreleased Sewer map.

>> No.5265880

A sewer map that is actually good? Any screenshots of the layout?

>> No.5265884

The problem with Blood is its ugly, blocky leveldesign without the grand scale of what defined the best Duke maps. Even Levelord's average maps were better than the good Blood. Dark Carnival, which is regarded high by most fans is certainly not better than Movie Set, which is one of Duke's lesser outing.

>> No.5265891

Are you kidding me. Dark Carnival is so much better. Movie Set is small and cramped compared to Dark Carnival's large, open, interconnected design. And Dark Carnival has much more interactivity/fun and memorable fights (like the snake pit room with the giant crowd of cultists). Movie Set is so forgettable in comparison, it's a real missed opportunity.

>> No.5265893


The map has a very good looking city closer to Allen Blum's style, and a sewer below, which means it's an interesting 3D layout with two floors connected.

Unfortunately it's an unfinished map. The problem is it was left cold in the beta stage when Duke had higher monster count, also some of the sound effects weren't polished, or stuff like hydrant not aligned to the floor properly.

It's still worth the playthrough for the architecture and layout. You can actually skip various city parts falling down the vents to the sewer area.

>> No.5265895

That's something todays mappers would surely do different, but understand that all BUILD titles had strict target frame rates for slow machines, so a lot of maps in all titles took a good cut in size and complexity. Blood maps are not pretty. In fact the whole tile set feels downright dirty, used and old. But they make up for it because they play so damn well.

>> No.5265897

Trying to make an heretic WAD that isn't totally square bland shit but failing so far.

>> No.5265902

Dark Carnival is still not a match to the likes of Dark Side, Lunar Reactor, The Abyss, Fusion Station, Freeway, Derelict, Duke Burger, LA Rumble etc. It's layout is pretty ordinary, only the interactivity and the humor stands out.

>> No.5265937

Strife update: Blackbird says "fuck".

>> No.5265956

The tileset and the palette is the worst part of Blood. Duke's colors are so much better. Blood palette is like the one LameDuke or ROTT used.

>> No.5265963

Most base tiles in that set are ancient, started in early 1994, but it fits the overall tone of the game. Dirty. Drab. Used. Depressing. Can't imagine Blood with saturated colors other than red.

>> No.5265978

They have poor taste. 100 minutes was pretty shitty. Those are probably some of the other anons who made maps for it.

>> No.5265990

Death Wish still managed to look like fresh in comparison. It has much better leveldesign than the original game, you can only wonder why it's not a commercial product.

I for one would love to see Blood with better tiles and better (more saturated) colors. Doom palette looks fresh despite being a demonic horror game.

>> No.5266000

Will never happen, thankfully.

>> No.5266010

you do know the game is being remastered, right

>> No.5266019

How long have you guys been playing Doom?

>> No.5266028

Yeah, like they change that. They will use the original tilesets, like every other Night Dive "remaster" does. Remaster is also wrong here, it's another port, running on Kex engine.

>> No.5266030

Since I was about 5, so probably 19 or 20 years.

>> No.5266040

t. mappinglets

>> No.5266041
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Wolfen with Guncaster Vindicated

Dragons versus Werewolves

>> No.5266045

The creator is a furfag I think

>> No.5266046

I'll play that and probably will have way more fun than I did with anything Duke in the last 5 years, because it'll still be the original game at heart.

>> No.5266050

I was born the year the game came out, and was playing it when I was like, four or five. But all I had was the shareware version back then. My real Doom experience in-depth was with the PSX version of the game, and as a kid that shit just fucking spooks you.

Then several years ago (2011? 2012?) I found these generals, pirated the PC version of Doom, and soon enough got pretty much everything Id-related legitimately.

>> No.5266051


>> No.5266056

Oh yeah... I was going to palletize rekkr textures for heretic and pack them into a resource wad(the ones that would fit in anyway). Dunno if I still have the pngs now though...

>> No.5266057

Did I say otherwise? Remastering something like Blood into some AAA level shit is out of Night Dive's reach and luckily so because all these HD attempts for the BUILD games look like ass...I contributed a few tiles to that big DN3D High res pack. 10 years ago I was all over this but it's fucking pointless now. It adds nothing of value and it was dated on arrival.

>> No.5266062

I wasn't accusing anyone of anything. I'm just mocking Duke's current position in the industry and how belittled he is because of a lackluster revival attempt and a failed relaunch of his star title. shouldn't be anything new.

>> No.5266065

since doom 64

>> No.5266074

Are there any Quake WADs for Doom?

>> No.5266095

dimension of the boomed
riot control
nexus aftermath
castle of the damned

>> No.5266096

What is exactly the Quickstart Map mentioned in the news archive, at [09-15]?

>> No.5266107
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Wolfen's music is great so far

>> No.5266159

People on this website masturbate to prepubescent anime girls with giant dicks molested by tentacles, but you are concerned about people who whack it to otherwise vanilla anthopomorphic animal people?

Also no, he's not. You might be confused because he commissioned a furry artist for art of this mod, but that just makes sense, if I'm gonna make a mod about mechas and want art of it, I will commission a mecha artist. It's just expertise.

>> No.5266162

Okay uh, so I noticed that Things in Doombuilder are described as blocking either "No", "True-Height" and "Completely". I understand first two, but what does the "Completely" mean? These objects appear to be entirely passable through in the actual gameplay.

>> No.5266163 [DELETED] 

>but you are concerned about people who whack it to otherwise vanilla anthopomorphic animal people?
Furries take it far beyond a simple fetish and create a lifestyle out of it.

>> No.5266164 [DELETED] 

>People on this website masturbate to prepubescent anime girls with giant dicks molested by tentacles
at least they're humans you furry faggot
learn the culture of the site you invade, is it friday? are you on /b/? fuck off

>> No.5266169

What did /vr/ think of Struggle?

>> No.5266171

How can Build be so much better than Id Tech? Sure, it came out fairly later, but it could still run on a puny 486.

>> No.5266191 [DELETED] 
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it's okay when weebs do it tho?

>> No.5266196 [DELETED] 

No. Waifushit is cancer too.

>> No.5266197 [DELETED] 

this site has several anime boards and no furry board, fuck off retard

>> No.5266198

both of you shut the fuck up, this is getting off topic

>> No.5266203

More low level optimization, idk

It's never OK

>> No.5266204

Where do I find this "wolfen"?
google does nothing

>> No.5266206 [DELETED] 

Agreed, it's clear >>5266045 was bait anyway.

>> No.5266261

ZDoom makes them true-height, but in more vanilla ports they are infinitely tall

>> No.5266281

shit stinks just as much as piss.

>> No.5266289

Use this download if you want it, the idgames version is bugged

>> No.5266290

No: can place a thing inside other thing
True-Height: Can place a thing ABOVE other thing
Completely: Cant place a thing anywhere on top or inside another thing

>> No.5266303

duke was pitting against quake so I suppose it had to have good optimization

lol do you think it's okay for an adult to be this angry over nothing

>> No.5266316
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I'm getting a bug in Wolfen where some enemies are invisible and are attacking me. I can hear them laughing at me, but I cannot hurt them.

I'm going to assume it's because I'm playing with Guncaster.

>> No.5266318
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Hey lads, i was away for few days but spent some time mapping in the meanwhile:

>> No.5266321

Anyway, when will id show us anything new about Eternal?

>> No.5266331
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>> No.5266334 [DELETED] 

Make America great again

>> No.5266340 [DELETED] 

Make Russia Great Again

>> No.5266343 [DELETED] 

Russia is already great, it just doubled down on homosexual propaganda.

>> No.5266347

What's this?

>> No.5266349

Golden Soul 2.

>> No.5266385

That is the most foul, twisted sort of demon sitting on that desk.

>> No.5266389

Looks pretty.

>> No.5266404

This would be a top wad for me if you could actually replay the levels after you beat them, with already-collected big coins greyed out. Once you reach the end there's nothing to do besides restarting the entire mod.

>> No.5266407

You die at the end of episode 1 and are sent to hell. You are the zombies

>> No.5266413

There's tons of artists that can draw anthropomorphic dragons that dont also own anthropomorphic dragon cocks

>> No.5266415

No, John, YOU are the zombies.

>> No.5266420

Drop it already. It's clear certain people won't understand and the post he was responding to was bait in the first place.

>> No.5266421
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well at least i didn't have to bumrush my way in a long ass line.

>> No.5266424

Where is this image heading?

>> No.5266429
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something i can't apparently opt out of.

>> No.5266475

What does this announcer do?

>> No.5266481

I thought it was a ut2k4 map

>> No.5266485

>che guevara

>> No.5266496
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Here you go

There's some cover art smg sprites in this thread too

>> No.5266507

>Chuck Norris
Damn, how old is this mapset?

>> No.5266548
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old enough to block JPCP's path.

>> No.5266551

Hmm... Has anyone ever made a wad where you kick ass in heaven instead of hell?

>> No.5266567

Why did quake have a massive modding community back in the day but dropped off?

Is it because Quake isn't as memed as Doom? Quake needs a rip and tear meme or a doot or something to get it into the mainstream consciousness again. Get PewDiePie or some YouTube to say it's better than Doom to get the contrarians on board too

>> No.5266575

doom's modding community is already niche.

>> No.5266576

This isn't addressed at Doom specifically, but if a game hasn't had the best preservation, is it better to play as classic as possible or to turn on as many visual enhancements as possible?

>> No.5266586

>Get PewDiePie or some YouTube to say it's better than Doom to get the contrarians on board too
Stop and think about what you just said Anon. Do you REALLY want shitty people like that paying attention to Quake?

>> No.5266609

Doom modding and mapping is way easier than Quake, that's it.

Yeah Trenchbroom can make your life easier, but it's still far from making it easier than GZDoom Builder and that is only in the mapping deparment.

About coding, i don't think i need to explain why Doom got so strong in gameplay mods and TCs and Quake got almost nothing.

>> No.5266613

Just because it's bait doesnt mean it isnt true, furfag apologist

>> No.5266614

>No black Dynamite

>> No.5266618

Sites that were hubs for most of the modding community died.
Same reason for unreal.
I blame fileplanet.

>> No.5266625

Not only does it take a lot of effort, but at that point youre better off making something on its own which is why Half Life killed the quake modding scene.

>> No.5266625,1 [INTERNAL] 

Kill yourself.

>> No.5266645

Is there a pc Quake 2 EX of the N64/PS1 versions in the vein of what Doom 64 EX did?

Quake 2s ports look really fucking cool


>> No.5266653

other than that spaghetti shit, none as to date.

>> No.5266660

Quake is a clusterfuck and a half to do gameplay mods for, especially compared to Doom.

>> No.5266663

Can /vr/ make something more autistic than those Mararthon Yuge maps?

>> No.5266664

congestion 2048 when.

>> No.5266698
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is there any other mod that adds mommy heiserach?

>> No.5266704

MAYhem 2048?

>> No.5266705


>> No.5266741


>> No.5266746

These mods got so bloated at this point.

>> No.5266752
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I'm on Map 5 of pulse
Got through everything else, step into the fake exit and see this
Is this supposed to be a joke? Don't even know if this shit's beatable

>> No.5266759

play better.

>> No.5266769

i should've dropped this when they replaced the hmg with the nailgun

>> No.5266778

It's best to sketch the ideas you have beforehand.

>> No.5266794

Also: any idiot with MS Paint can make custom sprites. Learning to make custom models is significantly harder.
Even if you don't make graphics yourself, you have a giant repository of already existing graphics for practically any occasion.

>> No.5266798

It's just Deus Vult II, the best Doom 2 wad of all time

>> No.5266845

First try to think of an idea or a theme - it can be anything from 'conveyor belts' through 'old castle' to 'realistic office building'. As long as there's something unifying the level. If your idea is visual, then it will also decide what textures you will use.

Then, try to think of some ideas for rooms or encounters that incorporate your theme. For example, in the conveyor belt idea I might want player try to dodge Hellknight fireballs while on a small conveyor belt next to ravine of acid; while with the office theme, I will probably want a floor of cubicles with demons and shotgunners hiding in them. Really, that requires raw creativity, you can't substitute that.

Once I have several cool ideas, then I try to sketch out a way to arrange these encounters/ideas into an actual level - think how they might connect, lead to one another. Think where they keys/switches will be, and try to make a structure with a nice sense of flow (e.g. player never has to turn around 180 and walk back through a long corridor with nothing happening, all areas are well connected somehow)

Then I make a 'whitebox' in Doombuilder - basically a version of the level with no real textures, just STARTAN2 boxes with enemies, to see how the map feels to play. Then I play it, see what needs improvement, play it again, slowly start adding textures and visual polish like detailed sectors etc to areas I like, fix areas I don't like, remove ideas that don't work, add new ideas that I come up with while playing, et cetera.

Eventually I decide that enough is enough, and I end up with a final product.

Eventually before you finish, you might want to send a map to a friend or somebody for testing so you can see if there are any issues you're missing (e.g. it's easy to get lost or something), but that's technically optional, and depends how seriously you're taking this.

>> No.5266853

Reminder to myself to make a Mega Milk edit with Heresiarch.

>> No.5266906

whoever did this knows very little of the anatomy, how breasts work and how clothing reacts to those breasts.

also her nips must be fuckhuge

>> No.5266909

didn't test the download.

>> No.5266917

Hey what are all the hardcore OG Doom fans' opinion of NuDoom? I know it ain't retro, but its parent game is.

>> No.5266919

watching AD webms and seeing that texture work tempts me to play it so bad, but i need to finish the rogue pack first

>> No.5266926

It needs more level design polish and less arenas. But for a modern interpretation that was salvaged from being Call of Doom, and with none of the old Id staff on-board, it was pretty fine. Just not stellar.

>> No.5266927

Wolfen is a good mod though, deal with it

>> No.5266928
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I'm usually against DOOM covers, but damn. He pretty much nailed it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBbQFvIhBQs

>> No.5266935

when I see a picture in picture I automatically close the video

>> No.5266940

>and with none of the old Id staff on-board
Tim Willits is there.

>> No.5266943

making low poly models is not arcane magic
I think it's harder to obtain and install a working 3ds max .iso

>> No.5266949
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>if you hold down the aim button in XWeapon, it'll switch back and forth from aiming- nonstop

I don't like this

>> No.5266954


The thing I dislike the most about both Doom 3 and 4 is the fact that there are other NPCs that aren't demons. One of the best parts of OG Doom's world is that there is NOBODY else. Only the player.

>> No.5266956

You must hate multiplayer then.

>> No.5266958

even in doom 1 there was daisy and doom 2 had people trapped in the hellcity you rescued

>> No.5266960

Making GOOD low poly models is tricky though.
Making good low-poly models that animate well is even more so.

>> No.5266974

If the intermissions had been told from some random crewmate's perspective telling you the objectives and events (eg: like when you destroy the fire force field in doom 2 so that the humans can escape) through radio or something instead of an invisible narrator nothing would have changed. Solidarity is just one of the aspects the original had, it's nothing nobody ever boasts about because it's not like the game excels in story in the first place, let alone one aspect of it (doomguy is alone) being considered a plus.

Also Doomguy in 4 couldn't give less of a shit about the story, all he cares about is how to get to where the bad guys are so he can smash em, who cares if humanity goes to shit because of an energy crisis.

>> No.5266975

you didn't see them in game. Only in text.
on that note, do you think it would be fine if the NPC exists, but only through intercomm messages to the player?

>> No.5266981
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I tested out Wolfen without Guncaster Vindicated and the sorcerers spawned as normal. It WAS a problem with Guncaster which is a shame because I like to play through Hexen maps as a cool dragon.

>> No.5266994



Nah, I miss Doom's total isolation. Finding PDA/terminal entries from dead NPCs would be alright but I that isolation was a huge part of the appeal of Doom's environments for me.

>> No.5266996

a place where there is nobody

>> No.5267001

Well, more than two users disliking then.

>> No.5267002


>You must hate multiplayer then.

For the most part yeah. I do play Goldeneye Source for a few days every few years though lol

>> No.5267005

Doom 4's NPC's are tolerable because they're only in cutscenes, and they're pretty interesting characters too. In Doom 3 you actually have to stand around listening to generic military dudes talk and give you orders and shit. Annoying.

>> No.5267007

Breddy gud.

>> No.5267012

The habitual failed credit thief who is in charge of Quack Champions going down the shitter.

>> No.5267023

Which one is the version of GZDoom that is giving all the stability problems? My latest version is 3.40 and I want to get something new to play some of the latest mods, but on the other hand I also don't want anything buggy.

>> No.5267028

Better worded, what's the latest stable version of GZDoom?

>> No.5267029

no such thing.

>> No.5267034

It's old as shit
Real shame too, was my favorite weapons mod, went great with RL monsters

>> No.5267045

3.6 is ok

>> No.5267053
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DoD Fag here.
Happy new year guys, I hope you've been having a nice first two days of the year.

>> No.5267062

Depends, I stick to 3.2.5 unless something I really want to play demands a higher version.

>> No.5267103
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Eradicator (1996)

>> No.5267148

Which projects are you looking forward to the most? Me? I'm looking forward to the Age of Hell.

>> No.5267153

I guess I'm looking forward to the Chasm mod, I liked the skeletal knight things someone posted here from a WIP thread on zdoom forum. I'm not really interested in the weapons though.

>> No.5267181
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In hindsight I should have played through Hexen and been more familiar with it before attempting a mod

>> No.5267183

Yholl's updates, can't get enough of his stuff.

>> No.5267206
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they work okay

>> No.5267208

I typically don't get myself hyped for stuff, I just enjoy what's out and finding new things.

The update for GMOTA does look cool tho.

>> No.5267209

There were only 2 anonymous mappers this time.

>> No.5267212

That's pretty neat, I remember a Hexen 2 one was about that didn't look too bad either.

>> No.5267216
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There's nothing that bogs you down in that regard. It's also another huge reason I like Quake, there's no nonsense. It's also a bit misleading with how "fuck you, cutscene" he is the start when you later have scenes where you're just standing in a room.

>> No.5267223
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Yo guys!
It's been a while since I posted the first revision of Black Fortress here, and it's gone through a few changes. It's still nowhere near done but the first level is pretty happily playable. As I begin work on the second level, I wanted to get some feedback from you guys about the level design, gameplay and general aesthetic of the wad.


Feel free to crack it open with SLADE if you want to review the code in place as well. Thanks fellas, and thanks for helping me learn along the way!

>> No.5267224

it looks similar to the Half-Life map editor, so I guess you have to download those files, and in options you have to set them as the build libraries

>> No.5267227

I've been using QZDoom and it works beautifully. I actually recommend it to play Black Fortress instead of using GZD.

>> No.5267234

Now this is really starting to feel like a small world with all the content creators that post here, big and small

>> No.5267239

>Ion Maiden is only 35MB and already it's so good
needs more enemy and weapon variety for later campaigns, sure, but good fucking god

>> No.5267251

I have never played the original DOOM or DOOM 2 wads

>> No.5267258

do you want a medal

>> No.5267291

We wouldn't strictly have to limit ourselves at all.
Another idea we could look at later this year is that you have a month to do a level which is a tribute to one of your favorite Doom levels (official or not). Maybe limit removing.

>> No.5267307

That was kind of the Saturn port. The devs of that was trying to work out a faster way to do the rendering, by Carmack was unsatisfied with the texture warping.
Due the fact that the Saturn port runs like shit, he expresses a regret for that and that he should have allowed more experimenting.

For the SNES port, it's not even really a port of the Doom engine, it's a recreation in a proprietary engine called the "Reality Engine".
This engine, and the SuperFX chip used, was the only way to have Doom on the SNES, because you couldn't make an engine like Doom's run on the SNES's paltry processor and memory, hence why Carmack didn't think it was possible at all and the SNES Doom prototype was presented to him as a surprise by the independent programmer who made it.
Is I recall, Carmack was always impressed by people who could prove him wrong.
SNES Doom isn't excellent, but it works, and still pretty much plays like Doom.

>any idiot with MS Paint can make custom sprites
They can, but they'll look like dogshit if you don't know how to sprite at all.

That wasn't the 3DO port, the 3DO port was rushed out in 10 weeks because the only programmer with any competence had to hurry to hammer out just something and Carmack was a good enough sport to lend them a copy of the Jaguar version source code.
The 3DO port is a really crude and hurried port of the Jaguar version, thus, which was the version Carmack himself was more involved with.

>> No.5267335

I want to go all udmf

>> No.5267343

99.9% of you have already seen this but for any newfags in here:

Great fucking video.

>> No.5267345
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Not sure if this was in the original Hexen but Wolfen has this Mystic Crossbow that doesn't seem to have an ammo count. You use a bunch of rounds and then it has to recharge.

This game is hard and I'm not sure how everything works. Very discouraging...

>> No.5267348

might be broken by gzdoom since it's such an ancient mod

>> No.5267351

>Learning to make custom models is significantly harder.
eeehhhh. i'd say it's pretty even if you're trying to do it well on both counts.

>> No.5267359

Aight well:
Applicable REKKR textures paletted for Heretic. Left out things that were specific to REKKR's story, or setting (so no longboats, raven skulls, or Nordic symbols). Had to clean a few of them up. Lemme know if I messed up somewhere, or organized the wad wrong or something - I only tested in GZDoom because I'm lazy, but neither it nor Doombuilder had no problem reading the textures though.

>> No.5267368

I feel the same. For me the main character in Doom is the world itself.

>> No.5267371

I've been playing doom for a few years, but I've never really been able to get into the community, mostly because I just struggle at joining new communities
where would be a good place to start? I've looked at doomworld a bit for good wads, but thats about it

>> No.5267373

zdoom forums and ask some dude called graf for gzdoom new features

>> No.5267375

What is this mod?

>> No.5267376
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Whatever the case, I think I might drop it. I'm not having a ton of fun

>> No.5267378

Does anyone know if there's an audio fix for half life blueshift and opposing forces?

>> No.5267379

Why arent there that many Build-engine based mods?

>> No.5267381

because build tools got stuck in the 90s

>> No.5267383

CON is a fucking dumpster fire compared to DECORATE/ACS/ZScript or even QuakeC.

>> No.5267385

What about the Ion Maiden devs, are they using the same tools or did they make something new that could possible be released later?

>> No.5267387

Please answer this guy.. I'm curious too.

>> No.5267389

I can ask, an actual real life friend of mine is one of the mappers

>> No.5267390

as far as I know, they're using a heavily modified eDuke32 engine and all the jank that implies.

>> No.5267392



>> No.5267396

they know how to use the jank tools and are paid to do that.

>> No.5267397

Almost 20 years now.

>> No.5267398
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Did the latest episodes of gzDoom change resolutions or something because MSXFix'd isn't working with gzDoom

>> No.5267402

There are no more fixed resolutions.
Graf said they are unnecessary.

>> No.5267403

You obviously survive and get revenge.

>> No.5267404

>Chuck Norris
>Che Guevara
Cringe as fuck in retrospect.
Fucking well made maps, however.

>> No.5267405

Older than some of the people here.

>> No.5267406

Obviously you survive hell after being sent there and make it out.

>> No.5267408

I think Kevin Cloud was involved still.

>> No.5267409

What is Crambo?

>> No.5267410

Hell, you survive obvious and make senting it out.

>> No.5267456

Doom Episode 4 is fucking amazing.

>> No.5267489

Reminder that you can enjoy Doom anyway you like. There is no right or wrong way to play

>> No.5267492

except vaseline filters

>> No.5267496

I like that idea. I already did something like that with a tribute to Hectic from Doom 64 for one of the DUMP episodes (maybe 3? I forget). It was fun.

>> No.5267498

Although we may have to set a "no dead simple tributes" rule though as every second wad already has one.

>> No.5267513

he DOES have porn of his char tho

>> No.5267518

Do you think they'll allow modding and shit when it releases? They should honestly make making mods easy as fuck to build a following

>> No.5267521
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It would have to be someone's favorite first.
Also we could have a hard rule that it can't just be a replica of it, or that you have to put a spin on it.

A big problem with Dead Simple clones is that often they're made as obligations. The specials are there so you HAVE to use them, right?
On the other hand, thinking a bit more outside the box has given us some pretty fucking awful maps over the years too.

>> No.5267527

I just played the most bullshit fuck map ever created. The map ends with a spinning box of earrape and doom porn

>> No.5267530

why did you let terry touch your bootysnap?

>> No.5267549
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>also her nips must be fuckhuge
that's more pleasing to the dick

>> No.5267550

this map is giving me pareidolia

>> No.5267553


>> No.5267554
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>302 error

>> No.5267563

Wow what a surprise a HeXen fan is a huge fucking virgin

>> No.5267569
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JPCP is a pretty good mapset, though map5 has performance issues with the current PB3.0 build.

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>> No.5267576
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Dirty visor does that. Here.

>> No.5267581

> also her nips must be fuckhuge
Yes please!

>> No.5267582

>also her nips must be fuckhuge
Why is this bad?

>> No.5267605
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I cant enjoy this, anon...
Site says the file is missing...
Help? Reup?

>> No.5267643

>Quake Champions is going down the shitter.
How so?

>> No.5267646
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>> No.5267652
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I would ask what mod this is
but I dont get off on death animations for hot girls so I'll pass

>> No.5267676

Well it's got like 2000 players playing at any given time. Which is tiny. And they just added a season pass.

>> No.5267681

>just added
isn't that what the champions pack always was

>> No.5267762

Give it time.

>> No.5267793

and that's 2000 split between regions and matching shit, at times it's practically barren.
Time to what? Die on it's arse?

>> No.5267813

No, give it time to grow. Games with online play don't just miraculously grow to have more than 10-12,000 players in a day.

>> No.5267821

It's okay for what it was, despite i personally having a few pet peeves with some things, but it was still fun.
Eternal looks better.

>> No.5267825

>That Samsara mod
>RPG id games in GZDoom

>> No.5267826

Doom 4 was pretty okay, level design was kinda meh, weapons were pretty good, I like the subweapons. I think glory kills woulda been better if just decking monsters at critical HP made them go splat in some whacky way depending on where you hit them without a need for a little animation.
The only shitty thing is after playing through the game and getting all the upgrades, playing from scratch feels awful when you don't have the fun altfires and runes.

Overall I'd give it a 8/10 and recommend it to people who want a good single player campaign in a FPS game that came out in the past couple years.

>> No.5267830

Try it with Black Edition

>> No.5267834

Honestly i dislike black edition

>> No.5267835

had some good fun with it.
hyped for eternal, mainly because it looks way better on the aesthetic front.

>> No.5267838

QC doesn't really have anything that encourages growth though

>> No.5267839

Feels more like Painkiller than Doom.
Unpopular opinion?

>> No.5267840

Post your face if DOOM: Eternal has stations in certain parts of each level where you can choose one(or possibly up to 2) out of 10 upgrades for each weapon(including for the fists) as well as some levels having instant recharge stations for energy weapons.

>> No.5267843

What does it lack that games like WoW, Fortnite, Counterstrike:Global Offensive and even PUBG have?

>> No.5267845

Compare pistol and rifle.
Pistol is XBOX huge.

>> No.5267846

That's... really specific.

>> No.5267850
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People think it's fanservice but i guess they're just used to GOW and Tomb Raider being completely deviating from their original counterparts.
One of the problems with Doom 4's art style was that it looked like "sci fi gibberish with not many colors" that apparently some people misunderstood pick up items.
After like 4 different art directions, it's cool they took the opportunity to make the new Doom feel as "Doom" as possible and i wouldn't be surprised if 2016 was someone at ZeniMax saying "how do we make Doom appeal to Halo fans".

>> No.5267852

Alright. The performance patched Johnny Doom thing then.

>> No.5267856
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>> No.5267859

A casual scene?

>> No.5267867

I don't get it.

>> No.5267879

1) Upgrade stations like in SS2 and Bioshock where once fully activated, you can use them to choose up to 2 upgrades for each of your weapons.
2) Instant chargers that can only be found in some levels that when used give high amounts of recharge to energy weapons as well as maybe also compatible armor.

>> No.5267881

Its not as buggy as Xbox One and definitely not PS4 PUBG

>> No.5267882
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>> No.5267896

I also hope power ups get the same treatment.
Like, don't remove the sparks or flames around the spheres, just bring back the scary demonic faces and trapped souls instead of either nothing or a png of a skull.

>> No.5267907

Quake Champion's gameplay just... isn't very good, if you ask me. Level design, weapon design, character abilities, sluggish non-straferun movement...
Also it being a "live service" arena shooter where you have to patiently rely on the devs for all content (for better or worse), while playermade stuff isn't a thing at all.

>> No.5267912

Field Drones and monsters I hit with my chainsaw?

>> No.5267914

Meant for >>5267840 & >>5267879

>> No.5267924

I like it a lot. It's not "high speed chess"-y enough imo, though. The encounters feel like a wave shooter instead of a carefully set up and positioned battle (a few encounters we're pretty okay at this though)

>> No.5267970
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I played Duke 3D for the first time the other day and had an absolute blast. Steam sale ends in an hour and I already bought Blood and Shadow Warrior, any other recommendations?

I have all Doom games.

>> No.5267980

Ion Maiden is pretty good too.

>> No.5267994

Rise Of The Triad, if you don't mind it playing more as a mix of an FPS and a sidescrolling shmup.

>> No.5267997
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Fixed up Doom Vacation to run nicely with gameplay mods and suddenly it's homoerotic as fuck.

>> No.5268005

Imaging trying to recreate/demake Doom 4's levels in GZDoom and make it a mapset, that is also meant to be gameplay mod compatible
>Most of the geometry can be done in GZDoom maps i think
>Use classic textures, either in case they're needed or just to make levels more colorfull
>Make it so you don't need to double jump since that would be gone
>Add more supplies due to lack of new chainsaw and glory kills
>Replace most RPG like upgrade stuff with maybe any power ups, specially if some end up usefull in some occasions like the radsuit in a toxic floor area
>Argent cells could be blocks with three switches where you could either pick a soulsphere, megaarmor or backpack?
>Stuff like gore nests and the hell guard bosses could be additional enemies/actors
>Simplify the red laser/BFG pick up scene and replace BFG ammo with either plasma ammo or other BFG's
>In the last boss, make the pillars activated so the player can use cover from the vanilla Spiderdemon's hitscan
>Rune trials and classic levels can just go i guess
>Maybe replace possessed with zombieman, summoners with archies and hell razers with chaingunners?
>Not sure about the music but cinematic/story segments can just go
>Enemy spawning could be like with D64 where it spawns actual new enemies that even increase the enemy count (At least i thought thats how it worked)

>> No.5268012

dbt was doing that but gave up I think.

>> No.5268015

>why aren't these vanilla map packs designed for my weapon mods?

>> No.5268018

What's your favorite iteration of doomguy design-wise?

>> No.5268019

I thought all he did was a test map and two random MP maps, which i think were used for QCDE.

>> No.5268024

Also, give them more backtracking and no death falls in the 5th chapter.

>> No.5268032 [DELETED] 

explain the beef with brutal doom.

>> No.5268036

Too popular.

>> No.5268046

Gosh, I couldn't really imagine that without Duke's lines, the squirtguns, and the vacation themed enemies and items.

On the other hand, there's some good places where a grenade would do wonders.

>> No.5268051

just use archives to see archives /vr/ threads

>> No.5268056

Popularity while in a lot of people's opinions, not having the skill to deserve that popularity.

Drives a lot of people up the wall on that alone, let alone there having been a spate of the fans of it considering it to be the default for mods.

It's drama that should have long since run it's course but there are cliques who are obsessed with it and keeping it alive.
It does usually have the squirt guns.

>> No.5268057

new thing bad

>> No.5268060

Shit code, weird design choices and the fact Mark is better at mapping but won't touch on that subject.

>> No.5268074 [DELETED] 

imagine a timeline where the irate gamer was universally loved and less people cared about the avgn

>> No.5268076

It's an okay mod.

>> No.5268078

I wonder if D4 making the Cyberdemon sprint was inspired by Heretic's Maulotaur

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worst timeline

>> No.5268092 [DELETED] 

AVGN is extremely unfunny though.

>> No.5268107 [DELETED] 

I can't.


>> No.5268112 [DELETED] 

Which game mod is AVGN in this case

>> No.5268131 [DELETED] 

The people all the stolen assets belong to

>> No.5268136

go do something else if you're really that bored.

>> No.5268143

Back to Saturn X with MetaDoom

>> No.5268146
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>> No.5268151

Is there an equivalent tutorial for any of the Doom map making programs? I would like to get into it.

>> No.5268176

I tried a while back but it was really frustrating getting the files to work. Wish there was a single location I could get the files in a nice neat package. All the ones in the original doom rpg thread lead to bad builds and stuff

>> No.5268201

Accurate and fucking awesome.

>> No.5268204

LOL It appears that quite a number of DOOM and Wolf3D players have a hard time using their heads to comprehend the idea of both upgrading weapons at stations and in-game rechargers for not only energy weapons, but also a couple types of armor(think power armor like in SS2.)

>> No.5268207
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>> No.5268208

What is this? Google doesn't come up with anything besides /vr/ threads.

>> No.5268210

Where do you get the latest version of MSXFix'd? I tried to google it but only found older versions

>> No.5268223


>> No.5268225

Play Hideous Destructor.
Record your play.
Come back and post it.
Then we'll talk.

>> No.5268226

Okay I get it now

>> No.5268227

System Shock

>> No.5268230
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why need stations when in doom 2016 you can upgrade on the go from your pause screen? and recharge what?

>> No.5268235

I still haven't Figured out how to record playthroughs on GZDoom, though I have found out how to do screenshots.

>> No.5268236

I don't.

>> No.5268237

Its the ProjectMSX mod but fix'd

>> No.5268240

The only right way to play Doom is with no Y-axis looking and autoaim

>> No.5268248

Recharge stations for the energy weapons like the plasma rifle as well as certain types of armor that need charging. I'm talking about this being put in Doom Eternal, not Doom 2016.

>> No.5268249

Oh hot damn

>> No.5268274

How accurate is the DarkXL remake of Star Wars Dark Forces? Wondering if I should play it for the first time in DOSBox or XL.

>> No.5268291

More than just fixed really, it's overhauled to fuck to work with everything.

Shit even has proper Strife support with custom dialogue and everything.

>> No.5268324

Sounds good, where can this anon >>5268210 and I find it?

>> No.5268338

Somebody remade Duke Carribean in Doom?

>> No.5268351

what source port was used here

>> No.5268353

Recharge stations?

>> No.5268358

Yes, that. For Doom 2016

>> No.5268360
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*DOOM Eternal

>> No.5268380

According to the archives this is the latest version
Its dead

>> No.5268387

ok but

>> No.5268389

Doom Eternal is out?

>> No.5268396

Both sound like lousy ideas. I hope they drop the upgrade shit entirely for Doom Eternal

>> No.5268404

Playing Brutal Doom!

>> No.5268412

What does /vr/ think of Freedoom?

>> No.5268418

Really ugly.

>> No.5268426

Has it's ups and downs, some of it's older assets are flat out better than the newer ones.

>> No.5268435
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Here's the version I have, not sure if it's the exact same one.


>> No.5268446

kinda weird doom even changed art directions like 3 times

>> No.5268447

How do you achieve that? Old Freedoom is *legendarily* goddamn ugly.

>> No.5268464

Didn't say sprites, though it has some alright ones of those.

Some of the sounds and music have gotten worse in the last three or so big releases of it.

Like the gib sound, the older one sounds fucking awesome while the new one sounds like some dude recorded himself having diarrhoea,

>> No.5268465

More of that MetaDoom thing.

>> No.5268487

What was it like before?

>> No.5268526

what source port should i use for shadow warrior?

>> No.5268534

pls respond

>> No.5268574

Thank you anon. I think this might be a more recent version than the dead mediafire link, as its title is "Project MSfiX'd v1.0b 06/12/17" and that mediafire link was being posted before 06/12/17.

>> No.5268594

>* ZDoom marines are acknowledged in this mod, so rail gun AI doomguys are implied to have the Gauss Cannon and Berserker guys do the D3 scream noises
>* Theres cheat codes too, one of them makes rooms darker to reference D3 (IMPULSE 2004 in console), while another turns floor/ceiling textures into flat colors to reference SNES Doom (IMPULSE 16)
>* Kinsie worked on a thing called Consolation Prize where you can play mods in maps from PSX Doom and Doom 64. This led to a special feature in MetaDoom, where Doom 64 items can get "specific" spawn spots for the sake of faithfullness

Dayum this level of detail reminds me a lot of half life unused content, its amazing how he's putting a lot of faith into it!

>> No.5268598
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"Problem loading page"

>> No.5268605

>classic doom
>doom 64
>doom 3
>doom 2016
i just find it weird but i guess it had something to do with the state of the industry in those times
same for wolfenstein and quake

>> No.5268612
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Dragon man explores some Axteca ruins

>> No.5268631

Kinsie puts crazy levels of effort into Metadoom and it shows.

He's an alright dude.

>> No.5268651

it's working now

>> No.5268664

I wish my enjoy of Metadoom was as deep as it's systems

>> No.5268670

>Give it time
anon, the game came out 1 year, 8 months and 29 days ago

>> No.5268671
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Two more examples, because I'm semi-angry at real-world issues and vidya is the antithema of that
also subnautica is pure dread and you should be terrified delightfully by playing it.

>> No.5268674

battle royale

>> No.5268679

What are the hottest wads of 2019 lads?

>> No.5268680
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This little rock is supposed to follow an erratic track. The player never gets to this scenic area, but it's an example of what I mean. Players standing on top should not prevent movement, and should be carried, as that's what ROTT's anti-grav disks did.

>> No.5268686

I've mapped for almost 20 years now.

I freestyle all the time built on my accumulated mapping knowledge. No conscience involved.

>> No.5268691
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>> No.5268697

wha do you guys use to map? DeepSea?

>> No.5268702

Finally beat Strife with the good ending.

>> No.5268703
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>LOL It appears that quite a number of DOOM and Wolf3D players have a hard time using their heads to comprehend the idea of both upgrading weapons at stations and in-game rechargers for not only energy weapons, but also a couple types of armor
>I still haven't Figured out how to record playthroughs on GZDoom

>> No.5268716
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>> No.5268729

it's interesting to see people who've started more recently and the different conventions they stick to.

>> No.5268740

unless you hacked avactor into a vaccinated edition, be prepared for completely busted balance due to dehacked
random invuln spheres where a purely decorative corpse would normally be

>> No.5268741


>> No.5268745
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Is that so? That explains some things.

Also, some mod made level 13 way more detailed.

>> No.5268763

speakinf of doom eternal and doom 4, why do people like the 2016 manc so much?

>> No.5268774

The mod looks like it's easy to overrate and i'm surprised it never even got a mention in the Cacowards.

>> No.5268775

Doom Builder 2 or the GZ Doom version? I’m getting told different things by people on what’s good or not. Using GZDoom btw and haven’t downloaded a wad maker in YEARS.

>> No.5268790

Is the armored mancubus from doom 4 a reference to the Hectebus? They both shoot green toxic shit.

>> No.5268797

probably not but the fire baron in eternal reminds me of that one black baron in a lot of randomizer mods

>> No.5268812

does anyone? I've never even heard someone's opinion on it, it seems to be indifference if anything.

>> No.5268813

>Hell absorving and corrupting other worlds
>Cybernetic demons are probably hell stealing UAC tech
I wonder if the cybernetic ones were recent creations

>> No.5268817

No, cybernetic demons was all UAC creating shit. Read the "monsters" section of the doom 4 codex please

>> No.5268823

I meant the original Doom "lore"

>> No.5268829

If anything people love the retro redesigns that Eternal is bringing to the table. The older demon models from 2016 had a lukewarm reception. Personally, I like the mancubus way more in doom eternal, as well as the pickups, compared to doom 2016.

>> No.5268831

The Codex details how the cybernetic demons were actually made though and fits the canon way better.

>> No.5268851

i've seen people say they prefer the 2016 fatso because of the story behind him
he's like the one mancubus whose not really a cyborg but instead he's made of chitinous material that apparently grows from his food habits
this is also why the cybermancubus exists, since he actual has metal and tech
i guess the story of him being smelly and weaponizing his farts fits him but so does his classic/eternal design, because an angry fat ogre with six nipples fits the "evil fat monster" bill a lot more than an armored cyclope thing

>> No.5268863

The idea of demons learning human tech or even just magically creating brains on legs and shit sounds more terrifying than scientists modifying the demon themselves.

>> No.5268869

Radiant is based as fuck for us oldfags who have been mapping for Quake engines for decades

>> No.5268870


>> No.5268910


There's an old one called Killer Quake Pack. check it out some time.

>> No.5268926
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Okay, fine! I'll give Metadoom another shot, just stop PMing me about how I didn't give it a fair shakes

Also, another shot at a hardcore playthrough, and I beat Intercept without dying?

>> No.5268939

>just stop PMing me about how I didn't give it a fair shakes
i have no clue who you are

>> No.5268943

I knew I'd agree with ya term.

>> No.5268945

You could try Chubzdoomer's Youtube video:https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLCE835098C82D8F24
If text tutorials are up your alley you could try this: https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/74073-vanilla-level-editing-lesson-1-preliminary-reconnaissance/

>> No.5268948

well, I don't necessarily give a fuck about doom scaring me, I like when shit fits canonically, not thematically

>> No.5268951

If you need some tips:
>You can insta kill spiders/Trites with melee (Keybind for fist)
>Melee key has a third fire for chainsaw that is silent and drops health
>To fuck with archies/summoners, stun them with something like a syphon grenade then use soulcube or BFG to insta kill, with the latter being great since they drop BFG ammo
>You can kinda spam inventory items, with Telsa rockets being useful with this
>Quad damage can affect inventory items too
>Even if K. mines deactivate you can pick them up back
>HWPistol is practically infinite if you stand in/next to liquids
>Wall shield can now let your own attacks go through it and Doom 3 machinegun fires one tick faster than vanilla chaingun

>> No.5268956

Wasn't Doom technically more about its theme than canon?
Also, i feel like naturally cyborg monsters from an abstract hell fit "demon" more than if it took the UAC to rebuild them, since the term "demon" technically means "supernatural creature from another dimension".

>> No.5268965

Also, axe can cut barrels without making them blow up.

>> No.5268967
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Boing boing boing

>> No.5268978

I understand the point you're making, and I don't give a fuck about it.
Doom has some things that are straight up, without a doubt, canon.
This is my point:

The old doom didn't have a proper canon lore explanation for the topic at hand. What you're saying is all conjecture and is not really supported by any actual evidence.

The new doom has a proper canon lore explanation for the topic at hand. It's supported by the Codex.

>> No.5268979

For fuck sakes.
Scientists did not modify demons to have tech. That's nu-doom.
Old-Doom is hell going "OWO WHAT'S THIS to absolutely everything they were absorbing; This included earth's culture and inhabitants.

>> No.5268980

Gzdoombuilder if you're making stuff for GZDoom, but it works fine for other formats too. I hear good things about Doombuilder x but know nothing about it

>> No.5268993

>Old-Doom is hell going "OWO WHAT'S THIS to absolutely everything they were absorbing

>> No.5268994

Okay, I get what you're saying now.
You're right, Doom 2016's lore and old doom's lore are not the same.

Also, where does it say that Hell absorbs tech and makes new demons? What are you referencing?

>> No.5269021

The technology the demons use came from hell.
The Icon of Sin creates demons prepackaged with technology.

>> No.5269026

Not term but thanks.

>> No.5269028

>stop PMing me about how I didn't give it a fair shakes

>> No.5269042

Dude this is an anonymous forum with thousands of posters and probably hundreds in this thread specifically, not everybody on here is one of your discord buddies or whatever

>> No.5269060

Doom bible/masters of doom or something, plus it's becoming a bit of a recurring 'gag' in the community.

Sandy Peterson or Tom Hall might even have said it; He was probably the DM for whatever campaign helped inspire DOOM in the first place

>> No.5269067

The Crimson Deed

>> No.5269073

Doom bible is literally stuff that was scrapped, it's not canon by any means. For fuck's sake UAC doesn't even exist in it.

>> No.5269076

>masters of doom or something
Show me.
>plus it's becoming a bit of a recurring 'gag' in the community.
That's irrelevant. There's tons of gags in the community but that doesn't make them part of official lore.

>> No.5269115

Hey Term mind sharing a build of Booster?

>> No.5269117


Dunno who you are, but MetaDoom is definitely worth a shot.
Pretty solid mod. Really fun, lots of stuff to play around with. I really like the enemy/weapon progression system in it.


That wasn't me, sorry.


Still WIP, things super-unfinished, etc.

>> No.5269120

I didn't expect you to actually do it, fuck
Thanks, dude

>> No.5269132

Yeah. Wrong person dude. I'm pretty sure if I talked more in depth about the pistol and how it slightly disappointed me despite it having unlimited ammo it might be a little easier to guess.
Trying to guess who someone is around here is a little dumb though.

>> No.5269141


I mean, I don't see why not. Someone's interested in trying it out, so I'm flattered if anything.
Worst case scenario, someone tells me they don't like it and tells me why, and I can use that feedback to improve things.

>> No.5269213

Might and Magic as well as whatever else the maker has planned since Doom M&M is like an experiment/proof of concept

>> No.5269247

Who are some notably odd or obnoxious people in the Doom community other than Graf?

>> No.5269250

That's one hell of a rabbit hole, anon, and it goes deep.

>> No.5269252

Forced drama posters.

>> No.5269264

S'arais and Nambona

>> No.5269278

when does doomguy get confirmed as smash dlc?

>> No.5269280

on doomworld yesterday someone pretended to be a japanese mapper and posted an oblige-generated map with the NPC meme in it

>> No.5269284

How could you tell they were pretending to be japanese, and not just pretending to pretend to be japanese?

>> No.5269332


I'm not the same guy. I'm just saying that some parts of the community claimed "hell's invading and absorbing everything, particularly earth's culture and people; mostly because they got tired of beating up bad people all day" shtick. Nobody said it was canon, only that it's somewhat accepted.

Jeez, dude, don't need to bite my head off.

I don't own it.

>> No.5269340

is this the megaman mod?

>> No.5269350


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it's acceptable using oblige as a base?

>> No.5269384

If you don't plan on publishing the map online as your own, then yeah. You don't want to be like those SLIGE Terrywadders all over again.

>> No.5269403

Not the anon that asked for it, but I've been waiting for this and love it so far. Good job Term!

>> No.5269413

Which weapon mods work okay with Unloved?

>> No.5269434

but I'm going to edit that map

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>> No.5269449

When is that due? I loved the original Genesis version.

>> No.5269491


Yeah, it's the Megaman mod. Slash Cyberrunner reboot.
It's kind of a personal mod that got a bit out of hand; I love mobility and moving fast, people really loved Cyberrunner but it broke the engine and I wanted to reign it in so it could be played on normal maps, and it just kind of expanded from there.


Thank you.
Please let me know if you have any criticisms or issues or if there's something that needs to be tweaked.

>> No.5269493

as long as you change it enough so that it's an original map and not just the equivalent of a palette swap, i don't see a problem with it
i'd imagine a lot of artists go looking around at procgen art for inspiration

>> No.5269502

Doesn't matter; if Oblige runs in your map's blood then it's not something to publish.

>> No.5269523

anyone else have experience using gzdoom in linux? just installed it and fired up heretic for a quick test drive but my mouse felt really weird. I don't know how to accurately describe it, just sluggish and not very responsive. Maybe it's just because I haven't played in a while, but I can't ever recall any doom-engine game feeling like this.

>> No.5269524
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I finally realized that the red shit on the revenant's legs is not tattered shorts or clothing, but actually blood

>> No.5269527

Speaking of Oblige, what settings have consistently given you guys the best maps?
Just want to fuck around for a bit but don't want to commit to any actual mapsets

>> No.5269538
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Both of my maps were gimmick maps where I focused more on the shape of the map and less about individual room design, after getting the basic shape together I figured out how the player would move thru the map and filled in rooms with basic encounters and thus I could make a neat experience out of the map without having to do elaborate traps, set pieces or decorating. As a bonus, it avoids the 'blocky boring square angles and rooms' problem almost by default.

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Alright, so I've been having philosophical bullshit chit-chat here with my uncle, and I'm pretty much going to see that most of our hostilities are based on a failure of communication/understanding.

I've been saying this from the get-go, but my best way to learn is collaborative works and comparing notes.

This is why I'm releasing another milestone: I want YOU to edit the things that bother you in the project. If I can see better examples of what people are talking about, alternative, or better ways to go about completing what I set out for, then this is what's the intent. It is very difficult for me to mentally visualize most feedback, especially when it seems the person in question is just raging and wanting something to complain about. ("you just want us to do all the work", etc.), I fully expect to be banned over this comment, but I want to try to explain and come to a mutual understanding. We have eachother pegged wrong. I want to like and work with you because I respect and admire you; and feel woefully inadequate to do so on my own. A shoulder to lean on and proofread/edit the works with a fine-tooth comb so that both parties can understand eachother and work out the situations better.

Don't think I've changed my behavior/attitude. It's been the same since the start. I just think most are mistaking the way I state things for hostility, when my statement about Kate Fox going to Hell, was of deep respect and felt more befitting since we are the DOOM community, and we've been creating Gorgeous Hellscapes for years; so I wanted Kate to be living and exploring those enviroments and helping make them in Hell.

Nevertheless, enough about me. I'm sorry for whatever greivances I may have caused, but this is ever so stressful; and given my court tomorrow, I'm going full spergonium with anxiety and nervousness (Why I clung to Evolve, Inner Child awakened, break from Cynicism + Court issues, emotional compromise)
Info+DL in next reply.

>> No.5269593

I just got into Doom mods recently. Why do people hate Brutal Doom?

>> No.5269595

It's a meme that got out of control. Brutal Doom has problems but people exaggerate them

>> No.5269604
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Baseline instructions:
1: Play the maps to your own desires, taking in reasonable criticisms without getting angry when I fail to understand. Make notes, draw images, screenshots, etc. Try to get into my mind and understand my intent for the level
2: Share the notes and/or edit the map, implementing tags/comments on them, like pictured. This will help understand consicely and may serve as inspiration/understanding
3: Take the conversations to heart and note, and prehaps see what the other person is doing and go "Aha, that's neat/cool, why didn't I think of that?"

I didn't ask for all the work to be done, nor attention or spoonfeeding.. I just asked for help in a way I could properly comprehend, and would benefit us both.


Basically; Conceptualization/sketch based feedback, Think of like when a concept artist submits various sketches for edit or improvement, and the person who asked for them goes "well, I like A, but B looks funny and could look really nice with certain elements of C and D, maybe E could be repurposed/recycled or based into something else?"

Whatever, waste of my time and effort, Comments are going to get deleted and people will continue thinking the same.

>> No.5269639

>The new doom has a proper canon lore explanation for the topic at hand. It's supported by the Codex.
Okay Brother Leandros

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>I want YOU to edit the things that bother you in the project
>Make notes, draw images, screenshots, etc.
>Try to get into my mind
>implementing tags/comments on them
I'm glad that you're willing to try and open up for more feedback, but the fact that I need to jump through so many hoops just to have you *consider* my critiques is a huge turnoff when I could honestly spending more time working on my own maps.
A concept artist submitting sketches for edit/improvement usually has a unified end goal, either that of payment or dedication to the resulting project, neither of which I have at all.

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>I just think most are mistaking the way I state things for hostility, when my statement about Kate Fox going to Hell, was of deep respect and felt more befitting since we are the DOOM community, and we've been creating Gorgeous Hellscapes for years; so I wanted Kate to be living and exploring those enviroments and helping make them in Hell.
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I dunno what you're talking about but that's probably not something you want to bring up, chief.

>> No.5269646

It's an okay mod, it's just babbies first wad, so the fanbase overhypes it, and bitches if another wad isn't compatible with it.

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All these zombies!!!!

>> No.5269697
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Do you ever feel like you don't exist..?

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>when I could honestly spending more time working on my own maps.
And I get and understand that, but unfortunately; in order for me to help you (and belive me, I want to help you work on your own maps and not be judged for it, I want to like and respect you, help you out and give a second hand for something that overwhelms me, whilst taking the work-load off of you), but unfortunately, mutual symbiosis cannot occur if the parties cannot properly connect.

So, why don't I be YOUR slave for a while to prove that I'm not joking, and that what I've saying since the get-go isn't all about me; It's all about EVERYONE and how I can help EVERYONE with what they're working on, and improve at their own works.

Sorry man. I just figured and thought people would understand what I meant and where I was coming from; Hell as a vision forever is imagined by me as DOOM's depiction; Yes, it's a hellish, demonic place; but it's also an amazing place to explore, tour and visit, for those who just think Heaven is pretty boring with just white clouds, golden gates, and the like.

That's why I wanna help, man. I wanna see what you're having issues with, take your hands off of that problem for a while, and see if I can't help come to a solution with a fresh pair of eyes that makes us say "Oh my god, so THAT'S what you meant/how you did that? Now it all makes sence and I feel stupid for not getting it/etc."

Like, Back in JOM4, I knew there was going to be a lot of newer mappers, Since I had no real skill, I felt that Episode 4 would of been the best, and since my map was set at E4M3, I figured I'd try and help other people out in the same episode, so they had somebody to assist, unlike what I lacked in my JOM3 submission and really wished I had, One-On-One Help and discussion. I shouldn't of done that, but I thought I was helping other newblood mappers get better at something they had an infatuation with; at the loss of my own map's quality, exploiting my greif & duty

>> No.5269734

why is the doom community so weird.

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why nobody told me this was a thing?

>> No.5269742

Self improvement, and mutual understanding are always worthwhile goals. Just keep in mind that if someone is offended there's a good chance that, not only are they not seeing it from your eyes, but also that you're not predicting the response adequately and voicing your critiques or concerns to match social norms.

>> No.5269780

why is *he* so weird
no one knows, really

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Self improvement, and mutual understanding are always worthwhile goals. Just keep in mind that if someone is offended there's a good chance that, not only are they not seeing it from your eyes, but also that you're not predicting the response adequately and voicing your critiques or concerns to match social norms.
See, and that's exactly how I felt around the time of JOM4; I wanted to try and help other newbie mappers who were struggling, I didn't make any changes without first saying "hey, i think this is really cool, i'm wondering what this is, is this what you want, what is this, i can try and do this and show you the results to see if you like it and help you learn some of the things I wish I knew when I was starting out, and show you how to do them, after I figure out your intent. After doing edits, I'll show it off and change it again."

This is what I did with E4M1 and the current E4M2, Helping others was a detriment to my own map, but I saw that as an acceptable loss when trying to help others improve. I would have contacted the dude I put the roots in his map and edited it without his permission; but there was no way to do so; and everybody dogpiled me after I made the edit and didn't even try out extremely minor, non-intrusive edits that most outside of that discord said improved the feeling of the map.

I could have very easily called it quits when my cat died; but I felt like I had a duty to my people and to the community to keep on trucking; and I needed to do something for my deceased cat too; so I wrapped up what I had and kept working on other people's work. I was emotionally compromised and it should not of been a good indicator of what I'm actually like, when having an extremely stressful time and not properly coping, because I felt like I was letting others down and doing them a disservice, doing them wrong, by not trying to contribute and help.

Arguably traumatic childhood, Greif, Birth Defects, Lupus, Tetanus, etc.

>> No.5269830

BloodGDX is still a piece of shit, you all lied to me

>> No.5269831

haha we tricked you.

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I died on Map 8 to a Mancubus

>> No.5269850

you will eat that shit and love it

>> No.5269860

What are some gameplay mods that work with Chex Quest?
I know High Noon Drifter certainly works, but what else?

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my ability to do this shit baffles me

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>> No.5269928

The intermission texts specifically mention hell being able to take control of human technology. Checkmate.

>> No.5269936

Mind sharing?

>> No.5269978


>> No.5270045

can GZDoom record demos

>> No.5270062

-skill 3 -record e1m1.lmp
-skill 4 -loadgame auto2.zds -record e3m2.lmp
-fast -skill 3 -loadgame auto4.zds -playdemo e1m4.lmp
-fast -skill 4 -warp 2 1 -record e2m1.lmp

>> No.5270069

I never played DOOM II in my entire life. Should I? I beat the first one

>> No.5270084
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Does Freedoom have a plot?

>> No.5270085
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did S*ra*s finally take his meds or something?

that was always a thing

>> No.5270095

that's all.
not acting any diffrent so i don't understand
please don't suspend for nonvidya

>> No.5270104

enjoy your hitscan weapon that does roughly the same damage as rockets do

>> No.5270131


>> No.5270150

it can, but demos are only compatible with the version they're recorded on
it's basically left in for debugging purposes and not much else

>> No.5270169

So how does it feel to inflict bloody carnage on what's basically a children commercial?

>> No.5270176

violent chex has been a thing ever since samsara first did it

>> No.5270210

New thread.


>> No.5270274

Take Doom / Doom II's plot, replace "UAC" with "AGM" or whatever it's called, and replace Doomguy with FreeDoomGuy.
There's your plot. It's just a mirror universe.

>> No.5270640

Seldom. Setting everything up takes forever. Lost my old setup. So sad.

>> No.5270658

I'm gonna cry

>> No.5270797

Are there any mods that put the blood enemies in doom? So far I've not found any that work

>> No.5270839

They said it was going to come out in 2018

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