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Do you guys think the PS1 holds up strictly gaming wise in 2019?

>> No.5263284

>>5263280
Some games do, some games don't. Just like every other console.

>> No.5263307

2D games, yeah. Most 3D games have aged poorly though.

>> No.5263309

Most of the top selling games do.

The fact that the crash and spyro remakes are top sellers despite having changed almost nothing outside of their updated visuals is proof that the gameplay is still fun to a large audience.

>> No.5263319

>>5263280
I would take the top 100 PSX games over the top 100 PS3 games any day of the week.

>> No.5263338

>>5263319
No shit, because there aren't 100 PS3 games.

>> No.5263374

>>5263307
Pretty much this. The 2D FF ports are still unmatched, and stuff like Alundra, but most of the 3D fare is jank, largely due to a lack of support for analog controls (or a terrible implementation of them). Still, there are some outliers -- Quake 2 on PS1 is awesome.

>> No.5263396

>>5263280
A lot of memorable platformers, RPGs and survival horror games came from ps1. And personally I like the low res graphics. Only inexcusable flaw is no 4 player.

>> No.5263398

>>5263396
>low res
I meant low poly

>> No.5263401

>>5263396
That's mostly developer fault.

PS2 has only 2 controller slots, but has tons of great 4 player multitap games. PS1 doesn't.

>> No.5263489

>>5263401
Multitap should have been pushed more. Seemed like a fabled peripheral that you saw in the catalogues and magazines and whatnot but that no one actually owned.

>> No.5263530

>>5263280
>holds up
>>5263307
>aged
>>5263374
>jank

>> No.5263542

>>5263530
>using words
fag

>> No.5263653

dude jaggies lmao

>> No.5263662

>>5263338
The PS3 has over 1400 games released on disc, and I have literally 100 of them in my shelf.

Why do you lie anon?

>> No.5263673

>>5263530
This

>> No.5263676

>>5263530

Only correct post in the thread.

>> No.5263684

>>5263309

>implying people in 2018 buy games because they're good

You mean the ones who have the largest amount of memes being created, Youtubers shilling and general nostalgia bait, so zoomers will buy the remakes and say that the originals "were literally their whole childhood"

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>>5263662
He's not lying, he's making a PS3 HAS NO GAEMZ joke.

Are you new to the internet or just slow?

>> No.5263692

>>5263280
I still play the Resident Evils and Final Fantasys on mine pretty regularly. I know that there are better port for the RE games but the PS1 version of RE2 is all I have and the other ports are pretty expensive now days.

>> No.5263709

>>5263280
It was the top console of its generation - so yes.

>> No.5263719

>>5263684
What a shitty, /v/ tier style of arguing

>muh zoomers
>muh ecelebs
>muh memes
>muh fake gaymurs

People brought the games because they want to have fun you absolute twat.

>> No.5263734

>>5263719

>if I disagree then its /v/

Apparently you've never been to /v/, because its made of these kinds of people. You sure sound like a butthurt zoomer, you'll fit right in.

>> No.5263740

>>5263280
Yes. Easily.
The PS1 has so much variety. Armored Core, Ridge Racer Type 4, Omega Boost, Dino Crisis 2, Ace Combat 2, all of these hold up remarkably well still. It's definitely THE best /vr/ machine for me.
Dunno if I'd say it's the best console from a strictly gaming perspective, but it's damn good.

There are plenty of games on it that when compared to modern releases, you don't feel like putting up with their conventions or controls or camera or whatever, but I'd also say that there are plenty where that isn't an issue.
Shit's great.

this is strictly from a gaming perspective
like, I'm okay with PS1-era 3D visuals, but I won't say they aren't kind of a fucking mess
affine texture warping, jittery polygons, seams in models (hilariously visible with the road in the Ridge Racer games), polygon flicker, etc, etc
there are PS1 games I think look good, but the earliest 3D home system I'd say still has games that hold up visually to this day is the DC, and that's pushing it a little

>>5263374
I'm still impressed at how good Quake 2 on PS1 is.
It's a nice, streamlined release that looks great and runs well, and I love the color effects, it's a lot more neon than on PC. Extremely impressive lighting for the machine.
My only major issue is the mid-level loading gates, it's not pleasant when you cross one and realize you need to go back and then it starts loading the previous area again.
Oh, and it's a shame it didn't have better DualShock control mapping options.

and man, 4-player splitscreen is a remarkably smooth experience, one I'd never expect the machine to handle as well as it does

>>5263530
(You).

>>5263691
>He's not lying, he's making a PS3 HAS NO GAEMZ joke.
wew lad, that hasn't been relevant in ten years

>> No.5263750

Alundra
Ape Escape 1
Asuncia
Azure Dreams
Brave Fencer Musashi
Brave Prove
Breath Fire 3
Breath Fire 4
Castlevania Chronicles
Castlevania Symphony of the Night
Chaos Break
Chrono Cross
Contra Legacy of War
Contra Adventure
Crash Bandicoot 1
Crash Bandicoot 2
Crash Bandicoot 3
Croc 2
Devil Dice
Dino Crisis 1
Dino Crisis 2
Duke Nukem Land of Babes
Echo Night 1
Echo Night 2
Einhander
Ehrgeiz
Eternal Eyes
Final Fantasy 7
Final Fantasy 8
Final Fantasy 9 AKA Best Fantasy
FF Monster Tactics
Frogger 2
Front Mission 3
Future Cop LAPD
G-Darius
Gran Turismo 2 Simulation
Grandia
Gunners Heaven
Gundam Battle
Harry Potter Sorcerer's Stone
Jet Moto 3
Kartia
Klonoa 1
Langrisser 4
Legend of Mana
Lunar 1
Lunar 2
MM Legends 1
MM Legends 2
MM X4
MM X5
MM X6
Metal Gear Solid 1
Metal Gear Solid VR Missions
Mickey Mania
Misadventures Tron Bonne
Nectaris Military Madness
No one can stop Mr domino
Oddworld Oddysee
Oddworld Exodus
Pac Man World
PaRappa the Rapper
Parasite Eve 1
Parasite Eve 2
Persona 2-1 Innocent Sin
Persona 2-2 Punishment
Policenauts
R-Type Delta
Rayman 2
Ray 2 storm
Ray 3 crisis
Resident Evil 2
Resident Evil 3
Rollcage 1
Rollcage 2
Saiyuki Journey West
Saga Frontier 1
Saga Frontier 2
Silent Bomber
Silent Hill 1
Soul Reaver
Soul Blade
Soul of the Samurai
Suikoden 1
Suikoden 2
Super Puzzle Fighter 2
Super Robot Wars
Syphon Filter 1
Syphon Filter 2
Syphon Filter 3
Tail Concerto
Tales 1 Phantasia
Tales 2 Destiny
Tales 3 Eternia (Destiny 2 in USA)
Tenchu 1
Tenchu 1.5 Hyakusen
Tenchu 2

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The Divide
Threads of Fate
Thousand Arms
Thunder Force V
Tomb Raider 1
Tomb Raider 2
Tomb Raider 3
Tomb Raider 4
Tomba 1
Tomba 2
UmJammer Lammy
Vagrant Story
Vandal Hearts 1
Vandal Hearts 2
Wild Arms 2 (with cheats)
Wild 9
Xenogears
Zanac X Zanac

>> No.5263757

>>5263740
Yeah, Quake 2 on PS1 is awesome. They pretty much just trimmed the fat from the PC original, made it look better, made the guns feel better, and wrapped it all up with a good split screen multi. It doesn't have the wealth of options or fancy effects that some other console shooters of the era had, but man, I've still yet to find a shooter on any platform that can reproduce the satisfying feeling of this game's double shotgun. In a lot of ways, Quake 2 made a better console game than PC game.

>> No.5263772

>>5263374
3D games that aren't "jank":
Ape Escape 1
Azure Dreams
Brave Fencer Musashi
Brave Prove
Chaos Break
Chrono Cross
Contra Legacy of War
Contra Adventure
Crash Bandicoot 1
Crash Bandicoot 2
Crash Bandicoot 3
Croc 2
Devil Dice
Dino Crisis 1
Dino Crisis 2
Duke Nukem Land of Babes
Echo Night 1
Echo Night 2
Final Fantasy 8
Final Fantasy 9 AKA Best Fantasy
Frogger 2
Front Mission 3
Future Cop LAPD
Jet Moto 3
MM Legends 1
MM Legends 2
Metal Gear Solid 1
Metal Gear Solid VR Missions
Misadventures Tron Bonne
No one can stop Mr domino
Pac Man World
Parasite Eve 1
Parasite Eve 2
Rayman 2
Resident Evil 2
Resident Evil 3
Rollcage 1
Rollcage 2
Silent Bomber
Silent Hill 1
Soul Reaver
Soul Blade
Soul of the Samurai
Syphon Filter 1
Syphon Filter 2
Syphon Filter 3
Tail Concerto
The Divide
Threads of Fate

>> No.5263778

>>5263772
Most of these games are dogshit and you know it.
>Croc 2
lol.

>> No.5263785

>>5263734
Wrong because that wasn't my argument. I was attacking your tone and your substance you idiot.

Go back.

>> No.5263790

>>5263757
It's called the super shotgun

And could you play online on the psx? Or use open GL? Well then

>> No.5263795

>>5263778
No they're not. These are all good games. You just haven't actually played them. Some, like Croc 2, are a 7/10 at worst. I'll bet you're one of those faggots that only plays hyper marketed AAA games like cawadoodie and boring open world tedium simulators.

>> No.5263798

>>5263795
I hate Call of Duty and my favorite game of all time is Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts. The normie argument doesn't work for me.

>> No.5263802

>>5263790
Oh look, it's the PC autist who gets triggered every time somebody mentions a console Quake port.

>> No.5263806

>>5263798
Oh so you're just some gay ass 64 aspie who only has 20 games

>> No.5263810

>>5263798
Banjo is literally for infants.

>> No.5263817

>>5263806
I've never owned an N64, and N&B is not on N64. I'm also not sure how my favorite game corellates with the number of games I own, but given how many assumptions you make, I don't need to assume that you are simply butthurt.

Croc 2 is a shit game and so are most of the games on that list. Try again.

>> No.5263823

>>5263772
Syphon Filter is absolute trash. There holds a certain nostalgia for being the first 3rd person shooter that felt like it was in a 3D space and not on a grid. It also tried really hard to make its cutscenes feel like a movie. That is commendable. The way it trailblazed a path for gaming deserves it recognition. BUT have you even played it since the 90s? The voice acting is all time worst. The auto aim is a pain in the ass. Dark environments are hell to navigate. This game is a supreme chore to play. It all made sense and worked for its day. It just doesn’t pass the test anymore. This isn’t a fun game anymore. Father Time has been unkind.

>> No.5263825

>>5263810
>he doesn't build giant metal dicks in N&B and then ram them into giant metal buttholes where they explode on contact
>calling anyone else an infant

>> No.5263849

>>5263817
Nah.

>> No.5263853

>>5263825
That sounds like something an 11 year old would do.

>> No.5263904

>>5263853
>missing sarcasm this hard
Sounds like something autism would do.

>> No.5263916

>>5263778
Croc 2 is legit

>> No.5263990

>>5263904
That's not how sarcasm works. Only an autist would fail at sarcasm that hard.

>> No.5263995

>>5263825
>>5263798
Shouldn't you be speed running ocarina right now you dumb fucking tranny?

>> No.5264004

>>5263990
Only an autist would write your post.
What now?

>> No.5264046

>>5263823
Is this pasta? It's still fun kys

>> No.5264084

>>5263307
I feel that the issue is more often controls than anything else. Sure the 3d games can look quite dated but stuff like Armored Core is still fucking solid as a game but the controls make it really quite a chore to play or at least get used to playing. A lot of the games were designed for the non-analog version of the controller which makes them weird or really controls starved.

>> No.5264116

>>5264084
armored core has fully remappable controls
as in, every button can be changed (eg, d-pad strafe, face buttons camera, triggers for attacks and whatever)
admittedly, the very first mission doesn't allow you to remap them, but that was a design decision carried all the way to the PS2 games

>>5263823
it's been a few years
but last time I played Syphon Filter (like, 2010), I remember it still being decent mechanically -- awkward, but still workable

>> No.5264171

>>5264116
Yes but you still can't use the sticks, right? I think I did eventually get something playable out of it and enjoyed it for quite a few missions but controls are still a core issue of a lot of the old games. Tenchu 1 and 2 also have it really bad.

>> No.5264178

Why wouldn't it?

>> No.5264308

>>5264004
Yawn.

>> No.5264320

>>5263280
Yeah, I've found myself playing tons of games I missed from the PS1 and PS2 lately. The consoles themselves were pretty shit in terms of power but they had some amazing games.
Croc is a terrible fucking example, though.

>> No.5264324
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THE PS1 HAZ MO GAEMZ

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No gaemz

>> No.5264331

>tfw installed a psio as my first soldering project
so far the only game that hasnt worked that i wanted to play was tai fu

>> No.5264431

>>5263374
I'd like to add that for 3D action games, there's not really any ones that aged super well outside of the big hits everybody knows about like Crash, Spyro, or even Rayman 2 (although the PS1 version is the butchered worst version with the PS2 "revolution" closely behind). I might like Kingsley's Adventure but I know full well that it clearly does not hold up.

>> No.5264460

>>5263374
>most of the 3D fare is jank, largely due to a lack of support for analog controls (or a terrible implementation of them)
When you look back, those 2-3 years of the system not having an analog stick really hurt a lot of the games released on the PS1, especially for the multiplats. Some games went super retarded with their workarounds despite the game being clearly designed around analog movement. Even worse, some games still didn't fully support analog sticks even if they came out well after Dualshock's release. Look at Vagrant Story, that shit came out a full 3 years later and even though it had rumble the analog sticks just mimicked the D-pad. If Sony just had the stick as part of the standard design like Nintendo did with N64 the vast majority of the games would at least control better.

>> No.5264468

>>5264431
This thread already listed lots that aged really well you stupid fucking faggot.

>> No.5264471

>>5264460
Vagrant Story wouldn't benefit from analog at all. Nether would metal gear. You're running around in blocky environments with an isometric perspective.

>> No.5264482

>>5264460
>>5264431
Ape Escape
Brave Fencer Musashi
Chaos Break
Crash Bandicoot 1
Crash Bandicoot 2
Crash Bandicoot 3
Dino Crisis 1
Dino Crisis 2
Duke Nukem Land of Babes
Ehrgeiz
Frogger 2
Future Cop LAPD
Harry Potter Sorcerer's Stone
Jet Moto 3
Metal Gear Solid 1
Metal Gear Solid VR Missions
Misadventures Tron Bonne
Pac Man World
Parasite Eve 1
Parasite Eve 2
Resident Evil 1-3
Rollcage 1
Rollcage 2
Silent Bomber
Silent Hill 1
Soul Reaver
Soul Blade
Soul of the Samurai
Tail Concerto
Threads of Fate


The M64 meanwhile has maybe 15 good games all together.

>> No.5264505

>>5264324
>that Persona 2 cover
what the FUCK

>> No.5264508

>>5264324
>over 50% of the games are jarpigs
PS1 was a mistake.

>> No.5264514

>>5264508
imagine all of the jrpgs that couldve been on n64, or atleast ps1/n64 versions

>> No.5264516

>>5264508

Everytime a shmup fag seethes, someone else plays FF7 and loves it.

>> No.5264536

>>5264508
It's only about 25% JRPGs. It has more games in any given genre than the 64 has in total.

>> No.5264549

Metal Gear > Winback
Ape Escape > Goemon
Symphony of the Night > Castlevania 64
Literally Anything > Donkey Kong 64
Duke Nukem Land of Babes > Conker
Klonoa > Yoshi Story
Soul Edge > Smash 64
Devil Dice > Mario Party
Azure Dreams > Harvest Moon
Final Fantasy 9 > Quest 64
FF Tactics > Tactics Ogre
Super Puzzle Fighter > Pokémon Puzzle League
Crash 3 > Mario 64
Spyro > Banjo
Pac Man World > Glover
Megaman Legends > Ocarina
Soul Reaver > Majora's Mask
Wipeout > F-Zero
Tomba > Mischief Makers
Crash Team Racing > Mario Kart
Jet Moto 3 > Wave Racer
Dino Crisis > (N/A)
Echo Night > (N/A)
Ehrgeiz > (N/A)
Frogger 2 > (N/A)
Future Cop LAPD > (N/A)
Alundra > (N/A)
Legend of Mana > (N/A)
MM X4 > (N/A)
Oddworld > (N/A)
PaRappa the Rapper > (N/A)
Parasite Eve > (N/A)
Policenauts > (N/A)
Silent Hill > (N/A)
Tenchu > (N/A)
Vagrant Story > (N/A)

>> No.5264557

>>5264516
>le epic seethe meme
Back to /v/, underage jarpig.

>> No.5264559
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>>5264508
Here's the JRPG-free version. Stay mad you fucking loser.

>> No.5264561

>>5264516
Ummmm based and redpilled good sir

>> No.5264564

>>5264557

Cry me a river, fagtron. Your kind tears taste fantastic.

>> No.5264658

>>5264549
you are 100% right EXCEPT
>Crash 3 > Mario 64
this is false

>> No.5264673

>>5264559
How is Threads of Fate not a RPG?

>> No.5264724

>>5264673
It's an action adventure game like Zelda

>> No.5264752

>>5264508
S E E T H I N G

>> No.5264754

>>5264557
Nintoddlers eternally btfo

>> No.5264757

>>5264046
Play it right now bitch. I fucking dare you

>> No.5264773
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The 2D stuff on the PS1 holds up quite well. There's some lesser known games that I'm quite fond of, like Alundra and Arc the Lad. However, most of the highly praised 3D games have aged terribly. Take something like Vagrant Story, which is regarded as some masterpiece, yet it's easily one of the most boring games I ever played. The game not only looks hideous and consists almost entirely of puke brown corridors with some of the ugliest texture work I've seen, but its combat is beyond clunky. You can't simply fight an enemy like you would in a normal action-RPG, between every attack there is a pause where you have to retarget them. Even something as simple as casting a spell pauses the game.

This is also a game where you have to switch weapons constantly, and to do so requires constant laborious and lengthy scrolling through what has got to be the worst menu system ever made.The music consists of bland, utterly forgettable orchestral ambient tracks. There's barely any sound design to speak of, and a complete lack of voice acting, while still having cutscenes with close-ups of character faces, bizarrely enough. The story is nothing more than the cliche 'bad guy gets corrupted with ancient evil force and goes mad with power' trope told in a needlessly pretentious manner.

To put things into perspective: Vagrant Story came out within a year of action-RPGs like Severance: Blade of Darkness, Deus Ex, System Shock 2 and Diablo 2. Those are action-RPGs that are actually memorable and fun, even to this day.

>> No.5264863 [DELETED] 

Jarpiggies are absolutely delusional

>> No.5264870

>>5264863
You think Croc 2 is a JRPG you fucking idiot?

>> No.5264879

>>5263284
This. Also people like to think all ps1 games were like their 1994-1996 selves graphically wise for some reason.

>> No.5264885

>>5264879
Just like everybody acts like N64 graphics didn’t progress beyond Mario 64

>> No.5264893

>>5264870
FUMING

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>>5263280
Fucking atari 2600 holds up gaming wise in 2019, what's your point?
If you're asking if the games are genuinely fun to play you can find fun games that require skill all the way since the early 1980s.

>> No.5265549

>>5264516
Nah not even a shmupfag. I prefer action-platformers, beat 'em ups and racing games.
However I do agree with them that /vr/ definitely has a jarpig problem, and an anti-skill bias.\

>> No.5265925

>>5264773
>Severance: Blade of Darkness
Oh man that was a great game even if it too suffers from horrible controls.

>> No.5265936

Crash Team Racing exists so yes.

>> No.5266287

>>5264757
I just finished up Syphon Filter 2 last weekend and I'll be completing the third game this weekend. Bitch.

>> No.5266442

>>5264773
SEETHING THIEFAG.
your game is fucking garbage. The worst LGS game.

>> No.5266463

>>5266442
>worst LGS game
>not System Shock 2

>> No.5266554

slightly blurry textures >>> pixel garbage z-buffer dithering nonsense textures

>> No.5266578

>>5266287
Bullshit. You’re drunk on nostalgia. The games play like ass. You wouldn’t have made it passed the first cutscene

>> No.5266678

>>5263280
BRILLIANT

>> No.5266784

>>5266463
Still better than thaif

>> No.5266893

>>5263280
Games don't age. Consoles don't age either.

>> No.5266903

>>5263530
Finally, i thought the real /vr/ users were dead or something... But they're still here, ready to tell the buzzword niggers to fuck off in the most subtle way possible.

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>>5263280
PS1 era had Squaresoft when they were in their based subliminal redpilled glory

>> No.5268410

>>5263280
yes they do

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>>5264508

>Japanese console.
>Complains when a good majority of it's games are from Japan.

Top tier bro.

>> No.5269505

>>5268445
What a retarded post.

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