/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.5256689]

Which one is the better game?

[Anonymous No.5256702]

Quake is the better game but it's not the better Quake game.

[Anonymous No.5256703]

The first Quake.
Only good thing about the sequel is its soundtrack.

[Anonymous No.5256709]

>>5256703
It’s pretty good, a lot more polished than the first and the concept is better developed

[Anonymous No.5256713]

what /vr/ quake game do people still play with one another and when can we play it

[Anonymous No.5256727]

The one that's not a tech demo

[Anonymous No.5256729]

>>5256709
The concept is better developed? What, you mean the objective to bring the head of a commander to a particular room to unlock the door? How is that any different from keycard hunting? Quake 2 had only a pretense of a storyline and elaborate objectives. And it was only further boggled down by needles backtracking and its bland setting.

[Anonymous No.5256739]

I give Quake 1 the edge overall, but Q2 gets a real bad rap here that is undeserved. It's a good game. Dispite the much slower pace it still manages to have the better multiplayer of the two if only because there's more than one good weapon.

[Anonymous No.5256745]

>>5256729
Level design, story, weapons enemies music etc are all better

[Anonymous No.5256771]

>>5256745
>Level design

It all falls apart when you compare carefully crafted maps from Quake to hub based design that makes you backtrack through the levels.

>weapons

You have every single weapon serving its function in Quake as opposed to something like a blaster which is NEVER used again once you get anything better.

>enemies

Please. Are you comparing Lovecraftian nightmares to generic sci-fi soldier enemies? Also there are pic related as something you fight against which are just laughable.

>music

This is the only thing I'm willing to agree upon. Although Trent Reznor's OST serves its setting very well.

[Anonymous No.5256787]

>>5256689
I like the systems in Quake better, but II has the better campaign.

[Anonymous No.5256789]

The only thing Quake II is better than Quake I is the soundtrack.

[Anonymous No.5256791]

I for singleplayer and II for multiplayer.

[Anonymous No.5256798]

[/spoiler]Schbirid hates you, and for a good reason.[/spoiler]

[Anonymous No.5256801]

>>5256689
I like them both, but Quake's current creative fanbase is rather elitistic and obnoxious, which makes me avoid the game.

It's a shame.

[Anonymous No.5256813]

>>5256771
The only bit of redundancy in Quake 1 is the standard nail gun being fairly useless.
>hub based design that makes you backtrack through the levels.
You forgot to mention, empty levels with a constant looping siren the entire trek back.

[Anonymous No.5256827]

>finally realizing the majesty of Q2's music.
Seriously, Q1's atmospheric non-music is overrated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fzWUB2N_jI

[Anonymous No.5256886]

>>5256827
I used to put the Quake 2 CD in the CD-player at parties back in the early 2000's, and people loved it. It was fine to mention it was from a game among some friends, but none of the girls knew.

[Anonymous No.5256957]

>>5256886
Did you ever play track 1?

[Anonymous No.5256979]

I'm gonna do it

[Anonymous No.5256986]

>>5256813
>The only bit of redundancy in Quake 1 is the standard nail gun being fairly useless.
How is it fairly useless?

[Anonymous No.5257004]

>>5256727
>with quake 3 we're back to technology demo again

Literally the finest tuned competitive gameplay of its genre and some fucking mongoloid thinks someone else had to improve on it.

[Anonymous No.5257005]

>>5256979
Don't. As far as I remember they both are missing the OST. You won't hear any music during the game. You're better off pirating.
Also I can't believe they're selling Quake 2 at the same price as Quake.

[Anonymous No.5257025]

>>5256957
We played all except for the last one, which is kind of calm and ambient compared to the others.

[Anonymous No.5257068]

>>5257004
I mean he said the q1 maps were a shoddy mess of shit with monsters sprinkled around carelessly. He's probably a ladyboy who couldn't get past like e1m3 on easy.

[Anonymous No.5257076]

>>5257004
Quake III is still a better SP experience than Quake II.

[Anonymous No.5257097]

>>5256979
>>5257005
Seconded/ Do on not ever touching the Steam versions. Just fucking pirate them and get your favorite mod/sourceport to play it.

[Anonymous No.5257115]

>>5257005
>>5257097
Okay then, I'll buy Duke 20th Anniversary instead

[Anonymous No.5257164]

>>5256689
The one with Romero.

[Anonymous No.5257182]

>>5257076
I regret to inform you that you're mentally disabled and should kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.5257187]

>>5257005
Fucking hell, I'm in chapter 2 and I was wondering why does this game doesn't have any music?

[Anonymous No.5257198]

>>5257187
Does it have weird, creepy noises in the background? Quake 64 has those instead of the soundtrack and most people consider it better like that, not that the music is bad but this just fits the atmosphere better.

[Anonymous No.5257207]

>>5256689
So everyone on this board knows that Carmack killed id because of Quake and half the company left because of his incompetence, right?

[Anonymous No.5257209]

>>5256771
>Lovecraftian nightmares
Toothboy is a lovecraftian nightmare?

Most of the enemies in quake are D&D enemies with limbs removed or re-added and made of metal.

[Anonymous No.5257256]

>>5256703
spbp

[Anonymous No.5257272]

>>5257005
You can use both Steam versions of Q1 and Q2 with a sourceport and also patch it to have the OST back. Simple as that and it's a very good way to play.
>>5257115
This is the actual wrong answer here. Please refrain in giving Randy Bitchford and Jewbox your money, doesn't matter the cost. Just play it through eDuke32 for free, with tons of usermaps, mod support and of course the Life's a Beach addon. If you want you can pirate World Tour solely for the new episode which is good although not consistently so. When you finish with that one remember to proceed with uninstalling it.

[Anonymous No.5257391]

Quake 2 is legitimately one of the least enjoyable games I've played.
It's ugly, it's boring, it's slow, it's tedious, it's shallow everything about it is the exact antithesis of what I enjoy in video games

[Anonymous No.5257406]

>>5256689
I like both

[Anonymous No.5257410]

>Start up Quake II
>Your starting weapon is a weak, projectile blaster
>All the enemies are fucking hitscan
What a miserable fucking experience. Thank God it introduced the railgun for multiplayer though.

[Anonymous No.5257413]

>>5256702
What does this even mean you fucking faggot

[Anonymous No.5257439]

>>5256813
>The only bit of redundancy in Quake 1 is the standard nail gun being fairly useless.

are you saying there is any reason to use the axe in q1?

[Anonymous No.5257459]

>>5256727
People often have completely retarded opinions on their own creations. The guys at id thinking Quake 2 is better than Quake 1 is as stupid as George Lucas thinking Star Wars is better with more CGI shit crammed in.

[Anonymous No.5257465]

>>5256689
1 is much better for single player.

2 is much better for multiplayer.

[Anonymous No.5257525]

>>5256727
>Taking some rando's book as fact.
You can keep posting it, it's not a direct quote and you look like an idiot.

[Anonymous No.5257528]

>>5256739
It's almost as if what gets the bad rep is the mind-numbingly boring campaign and not the multiplayer.

[Anonymous No.5257542]

>>5256689
I had Quake 2 growing up. It kinda sucks in comparison.

[Anonymous No.5257556]

Quake 2 and Call of Doom were directed by the same person, Kevin Cloud.

[Anonymous No.5257564]

I don't understand why bunnyhopping hasn't got a single mention in this thread? It's one of the single greatest creations in video gaming, accidental or not. It's like asking which fighting game without any special moves is better than SF2, i.e. slightly bizarre.

[Anonymous No.5257569]

>>5256727
>developed Half-Life using the Quake II engine
lmao, whoever wrote this is uninformed as fuck

and yes, Quake 3 is by far the best Quake game, Quake 1 is the second close and Quake 2 excels at nothing so it was just very mediocre

[Anonymous No.5257728]

>>5256689
Quake has the better singleplayer.
Quake 2 has the better multiplayer.

[Anonymous No.5257767]

>>5256727
wow
just wow
could you please give us the name of the author?
because this is some Anita-Sarkeesian-tier level of expertise in videogames

[Anonymous No.5257787]

>>5256689
Quake has the better multiplayer.
Quake 2 has the better singleplayer.

[Anonymous No.5257830]

>>5257767
I think he just printed out some bullshit he made up and now he's trying to pass it off as an actual book.

[Anonymous No.5257831]

>>5257564
This.

I am 'fraid I take strafejumping (as it really is) too much for granted now.

[Anonymous No.5257839]

>>5256689
Which tastes better? Shit or feces?

[Anonymous No.5257870]

>>5257767
>>5257830
It's Andrew Rollings and Ernest Adams on Game Design, you mong

[Anonymous No.5257898]

>>5257870
People actually pay to take courses that teach them Quake 2 is superior to Quake 1 and 3? That's deeply tragic.

[Anonymous No.5258118]

>>5256801
autism

[Anonymous No.5258121]

>>5256813
I dunno. The super nail gun eats like four nails per shot. Makes it really impractical to use a lot of the time

[Anonymous No.5258125]

>>5258118
he's right though

[Anonymous No.5258132]

>>5258118
Thanks for proving my point.

[Anonymous No.5258167]

>>5257787
I feel the opposite. I hated all the backtracking through levels in Q2. But loved running around with a railgun and hyperblaster in multi.

[Anonymous No.5258273]

>>5257839
t.doombabby

[Anonymous No.5258306]

>>5257439
>Easy-mode fag spotted
If you run out of ammo it's all you have left.

[Anonymous No.5258339]

>>5256771
>Backtracking
Quake has plenty of that too, albeit at a smaller scale, and that's not a bad thing

>Blaster useless
Just like the axe? Well no, both serve the role of not consuming any ammo

>Generic sci-fi
Quake 2's trans-human enemy force is a pretty interesting one in theory. Also, generic might as well apply to Lovecraftian monstrosities at this point. Not that Quake's enemies aren't interesting.

[Anonymous No.5258372]

>>5258167
Quake 2 has a locked 10Hz ticrate, which is terrible when you're trying to pull off impressive railgun shots. The deathmatch maps weren't even there at launch.
But its far less abstract design is a big boon for its singleplayer. Backtracking is less of hassle since you can infer the map layout from the environment rather than having to memorize a complicated set of connected corridors.
I can barely tell some of the maps apart in Quake, but I fondly remember visiting mines, sewers, human processing factories, weird alien mainframes, and that space level.

[Anonymous No.5258382]

>>5256727
What book is that?

[Anonymous No.5258390]

>>5258306
who the fuck ever runs out of ammo in fucking quake, fucking ever?

[Anonymous No.5258402]

>>5258390
Play the higher skills and you see

[Anonymous No.5258407]

>>5258390
That happens quite easily on high difficulties, though maybe more so in Doom.

[Anonymous No.5259528]

>>5257025
Track 1 is the data track. I was asking if you ever made that mistake. CD-ROM data through a stereo system is deafening ear-rape.

[Anonymous No.5259550]

>>5258407
>>5258402
No, not once, not ever. Not in any vanilla id maps. Not on Nightmare skill, not under any circumstances will you ever use the axe, unless by choice, or the blaster after you get the shotgun approximatly 10 seconds into the first map if you drag your feet. You CAN NOT run out of ammo in these games without wasting ammo on purpose or outright ignoring obvious ammo pickups. You're full of strogg gibs.

[Anonymous No.5259663]

>>5259550
I'd argue that it's incredibly easy to only run out of nails.
Unlike shotgun shells and rockets, enemies don't drop them, and the item spawns themselves are pretty limited.

Doesnt help that the nailguns use two and four nails per shot respectively

[Anonymous No.5259964]

>>5256771
>that makes you backtrack through the levels.
Quake 2 usually loops you back to where you need to go, though.

[Anonymous No.5259974]

>>5256827
>non-music
>not appreciating dark ambient/drone
I like Quake 2's soundtrack too, but don't be a dipshit about it.

[Anonymous No.5259976]

>>5257076
That's implying Quake 3 even has a SP experience. It's just deathmatch against bots.

[Anonymous No.5259979]

[Anonymous No.5259981]

>>5259974
>thinking Reznor's ambient is any good

[Anonymous No.5259986]

>>5259981
>this entire post

[Anonymous No.5259996]

>>5259981
>thinking sonic mayhem's metal is any good

[Anonymous No.5260082]

>>5259976
I'm implying that Q2 campaign is so bad that even having bot matches in Q3 is a better experience.

[Anonymous No.5260087]

>>5259981
>>5259974
Nine Inch Nails is my favourite band.

But the Quake soundtrack is absolute shit.
It sounds like Trent Reznor recorded himself pushing random keyboard keys while high and called it a day.
It's zero effort, not taken seriously, and just a way to get a quick paycheck for him.

[Anonymous No.5260119]

>>5260082
Q2 isn't great, but worse than deathmatch with bots? Are you that fucking up your own ass?

[Anonymous No.5260128]

>>5259981
>>5260087
Guess we're gonna have to agree to disagree.

[Anonymous No.5261948]

>>5259663
Yeah, but when you do run out of nails you still have at least two valid ammo types, so it's not at all a big deal. It's not running out of ammo, which just cannot reasonably happen.

[Anonymous No.5261959]

>>5257187
Lol, don't feel bad. I played both back when they released and never heard their sound tracks. Couldn't get my CDROM drive to play CD track audio in DOS so I just play Q1 without em. Q2 had a patch where you could play it without CD so I never bothered putting it it in. Playing it years later WITH the sound tracks was a cool experience though

[Anonymous No.5262348]

>>5261948
I used the blaster back then to shoot at enemies that couldn't fight back since they were on the other side of a cliff or something. Way better than the axe.

[Anonymous No.5262353]

>>5260087
>and just a way to get a quick paycheck for him.
>The collaboration between Nine Inch Nails and id Software occurred strictly due to a mutual admiration for each other's work; Reznor provided his services to Quake completely free of charge.
I didn't care for it much the first time I played Quake because it wasn't what I was expecting, but when I replayed it felt fitting and I actually enjoyed it.

[Anonymous No.5262393]

>>5262353
Didn't Reznor also made the grunts for Quake guy?

[Anonymous No.5262437]

>>5259981
>Autechre
Pseudo-intellectual music

[Anonymous No.5262626]

>>5260119
I'd rather have a deathmatch against bots in a good game than go through shitty levels fighting bots in a bad game.

[Anonymous No.5262689]

>>5262626
>than go through shitty levels fighting bots in a bad game.
That doesn't really describe Quake 2's single player at all, though.

[Anonymous No.5262721]

>>5262393
Indeed

[Anonymous No.5262772]

Why do they Strogg inexplicably have a giant Nazi space castle? And more importantly why did the developers of Quake 2 wait until the very end of the game to give you an environment that wasn't a warehouse or a cave?

[Anonymous No.5262787]

>>5256689
Quake 1 has a more unique art style, better ambience, has more non-linear and replayable level structure, etc. The style, atmosphere and general design of the game are great.

But Quake 2 is still the better game. The guns felt more powerful, the scope of the levels were massive and there were huge sections that were entirely optional, the graphics and animations were greatly improved, there were real boss fights witb a real end boss, and perhaps best of all, the enemies were more varied, less spongey, and felt more satisfying to dispatch. The art style wasn't as memorable and the game wasn't as atmospheric, but in terms of sheer gameplay, I don't see how anyone could say they actually found Q1 more fun. Quake 2's combat and exploration absolutely stomp the original.

[Anonymous No.5262832]

>>5262787
>less spongey
It takes like 15 double shotgun shots to kill an enemy.

[Anonymous No.5262838]

>>5262832
Like what? The enemies that aren't small humanoids that die in 1-3 shots? You know, 90% of the enemies in the game?

[Anonymous No.5262842]

>>5262838
Definitely felt to me that there were less, but tougher enemies in quake2.

[Anonymous No.5262847]

>>5262842
Definitely feels like you're a fagoid who hasn't even played the game on hard.

[Anonymous No.5262853]

>>5262772
The palace complex, or whatever. That part was pretty cool. The Strogg partake in various human hedonism, so it's no surprising their warlord lives in a huge, ornate structure.