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5248624 No.5248624 [Reply] [Original]

Recommend me some tactics/strategy games

>> No.5248692

>>5248624
Heroes of Might and Magic 2 is pretty good.

>> No.5248745
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>>5248692
Thanks, I didn't consider the pc can provide good games for this genre.

>> No.5248754

>>5248745
Are you kidding? Several games on your list like the Koei ones were originally computer games. Not to mention series like Daisenryaku that were the basis for most.

>> No.5248763

>>5248745
jesus fuck I love early 3D so much

>> No.5248771

>>5248754
KOEI PC games > console games
console versions are ugly because lower resolution

>> No.5249064

>>5248745
holy fuck that is a terrible list

>> No.5249068

>>5248745
arc the lad, eternal eyes, kartia and tear ring saga for psx
majin tensei 2 for snes

>> No.5250135
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>>5249064
You don't have to be so mean, it is still in alpha state.

>> No.5250148

>>5248745
You're missing a ton of KOEI games and PC games in general. Also, Ogre Battle 64 is excellent.

>> No.5250149

>>5250148
Yes, that's why I'm asking names.

>> No.5250157

>>5248771
And weak CPU means longer turns or worse AI.
Mice on consoles are also rarely supported and can't be used together with other inputs.

>> No.5250163

>>5250157
Earlier KOEI PC games use numpads (0-9 and Return). I play those games single handed.

>> No.5250295
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Master of Magic

Fun as hell Civ-like (+tactical battles) that lets you go crazy with all sorts of powerful magic, balance be damned.

It also has a Japanese-exclusive PS1 port titled Civizard that has slightly upgraded visuals.

>> No.5250330

>>5248624
Nectaris

>> No.5250412

Should I feel pretty pleb-tier for disliking SRPGs with permadeath? I don't like the idea of having to autistically reload if one unit dies - a character dying and having a ressurection/repair fee just feels more balanced, especially if stages get tough enough to decently partywipe. Turn limits or 'protect this one unit' work too.

I've enjoyed Shining/SRW games most, and played a bunch of others like FEDA and Bahamut Lagoon, hybrids in the Treasure Hunter G mould work too, like Energy Breaker. Chill little story games like Monstania and that Tenchi game make cute casual SRPGS, where the fun's in the presentation/dialog rather than difficulty.

>> No.5250445

I love SRPGs but I don't like Shining Force that much. I like Ogre Battle, TO, FFT, and Vandal Hearts a lot, and I'm interested in Front Mission, although I can never bring myself to get very far in those games. I get bored without the swords and sorcery setting

>> No.5250514

>>5250412
You don't have to restart when a character dies in most Fire Emblems unless they are dropping like flies or you are really attached to that character. You will almost definitely get another character in that class later.

>> No.5251316

>>5248745
Wait, why is Ogre Battle on the SNES list and not PSX?
SNES version is comfy but isn't the PSX version better?

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>>5248624

>> No.5252114
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>>5248624
Tenchi Muyo!

>> No.5252297

>>5248745
replace shining force 2 with 1. Please, the first one is so much better!

>> No.5252357

>>5252297
What's wrong with 2?

>> No.5252372

>>5252357
everything but the main problem was that every character within a certain vague group (such as "melee attacker") played exactly the same with little to no variation and the battles are long & monotonous with little strategy required. unless its one of those games where you're supposed to play on the hardest difficulty and nothing else (i played on hard)

>> No.5252407

>>5252372
Swords, archers and spears have different properties.

>> No.5252418
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>>5248624
Worms Armageddon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D4Yr3ebNoQ
Preferably PC version because you can also play online in competitive, but that's not mandatory, you can also play local multiplayer or single player with various game modes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nSNkRmqpeQ

>> No.5252423
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5252423

Not quite retro but it still deserves mentioning, ZoE Fist of Mars is fantastic.

>> No.5252447

>>5248745
Need more Koei, mate.

>> No.5252805

>>5248624
I can't recommend you anything in good conscience if you enjoy shining force 2, it's a terrible tactics game so I'd either have to recommend a good game you would dislike or a bad game you'd like

>> No.5252930

>>5252447
Which ones.

>> No.5252943

>Shining Force games
fantastic and fun games in almost every regard, they are too easy if you don't play like a retard though

>Front Mission
great games with prety grown up story and setting. the out of combat mech upgrade fuckery can make the games a bit slow and tedious

>Fire Emblem
i dont know what it is specifically but i am having trouble getting into this series

>Vandal Hearts
only played the first game, pretty cool and mature story

>Langrisser
great games, particularly the second. large epic battles, yet rpg elements with the individual commanders, items to use, resources to keep in mind, lots of classes to upgrade, challenging combat and choices to make in later games including dating shit. despite complexity its fast to play. stories are retarded bad guys attack good guys shyte

>> No.5253002

>>5252423
This is indeed an excellent game, but GBA isn't /vr/

>> No.5253027

>>5252418
Used to have Worms thredas on KC, good times

>> No.5253045

>>5252114
I remember trying this in zsnes when I was a Tenchi fan in the late 90s. It has a lot of personality which shines through even when playing in a language you don't understand, but man is it short and easy. Worth it if you like the anime and want something that doesn't take super long. I think the title is Tenchi game hen. Like a little chicken.

>> No.5253154

Flame Dragon Knights series (Chinese)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3pA5iB0xiY

>> No.5253183
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Thanks for your suggestions.

>> No.5253187

>>5253183
You have Gemfire on NES and SNES on that list.

Might as well add the Mega Drive version too

>> No.5253289

>>5253183
you PC selection appears abitrary and out of place

HoMM is more of a strategy game and if you have HoMM on it you'd have to add all sorts of games like Master of Magic, Age of Wonders series, Disciples etc

but your list is supposedly about Tactics games and then you have a truckload of important PC titles missing and that would burst your list

and why the fuck is Worms on there?

I suggest you take out the PC part and keep it to console tactics (and the occassional strategy game on console) and leave the can of PC tactics (and strategy) for another day

>> No.5253336

>>5253183
>no Dragon Force in the Saturn section
what the fuck is this shit, it's not even an obscure game

>> No.5253341

>>5248624
Archon.

>> No.5253572

>>5250295
Is this using a mod? I played MoM since 1994 and I don't remember there's a spell named Aether Sparks. And I don't think Valana has many skills either, I only remember having Leadership and Caster, maybe 1 random pick. In this pic, she has Scouting and Holy Bonus.

>> No.5253732

>>5250295
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qdMj-xEpF8
fucking hilarious to watch

I'll have a look though, thanks anon!

>> No.5253769

>>5253183
hogs of war for ps1

saturn
dragon force
iron storm

>> No.5253832

>>5253289
I agree with this post. There needs to be a definition on what a "Tactics" game is before you can really put a list together.

>> No.5253851

>>5253832
Chess-likes

>> No.5253856

>>5253851
Chess scrollers
Chess em ups

>> No.5254138

>>5253851
>>5253856
I pretty sure this was posted as a joke, but, you could derive some of those requirements with a statement like "Chess-likes".
Grid based.
Multiple classes.
Progression of some kind.
Those are the ones that immediately come to mind.

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>>5248745
>>5253183
> Vandal Hearts II

>> No.5254149
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5254149

Vandal Hearts 1 is super cool

>> No.5254271

Incubation

>> No.5254276

>>5254271
(Don't add it to your list without some QA btw, I'm going by vague memories of playing it at a friend's house in the early 2000s)

>> No.5254290

Liberty or Death
P.T.O. II
P.T.O. IV
Genghis Khan II: Clan of the Gray Wolf
Daisenryaku

>> No.5254449

>>5248745
Is FM3 actually secretly good or something? I dropped out early cause the protag was too much of a moron for the story to possibly go anywhere more interesting than the usual GRR ADULT MAN BAD, THE TEEN REVOLUTION IS NOW schlock that JRPGs love.

I mean it's got loads of REALLY good style, but if the story and the tactics are dumb, then this is a hell of a tedious genre to serve style through.

>> No.5254496

>>5254449
The protagonist in FM3 is supposed to be an idiot. Most of the plot is about terrorism and superweapons and international espionage. The battle system is both intricate and involving and completely unraveled and undercut by any amount of correct grinding. This is still quite satisfying because you really get to mess your enemies up, you really deal them some devastation. They get fucking owned.

The music is great. The main character is never a big part of the plot he just shows up at the right time to foil master plans while mostly being motivated by better characters than him.

The point of every front mission game is that war is bad. war is terrible. it's also mostly economic. However, giant robots are fucking awesome.

>> No.5254528

>>5248624
Master of Monsters
https://youtu.be/MYr7VP_owTM

>> No.5254532

>>5253572
Not him, but looks like the Caster of Magic mod.

>> No.5254552

>>5254138
Oh, come on. 'Chess-like' has to be a joke, any game with hit points is nothing at all like chess.

>> No.5254617

>>5254496
Might give it another shot some day then.

However:
>The battle system is both intricate and involving and completely unraveled and undercut by any amount of correct grinding.

Am I reading this correctly in that you mean grinding trivializes the battle system? Because I don't really like that.

>> No.5254636

>>5248745
>Hoshigami

>> No.5255149

>>5248624
what are some strategy games that aren't too simple like pokemon, and not too long and annoying to play like tactics ogre LUCT?

>> No.5255198

>>5255149
Bahamot Lagon

>> No.5255212

>>5253183
Add Battle for Wesnoth

>> No.5255253

>>5254552
Chess is hard mode 1hp per unit

>> No.5256169

>>5255212
I don't think is retro, but great game.

>> No.5256389

>>5254532
>Caster of Magic mod
Tried it almost a year ago. It has smarter AI than the original. Most cheap tactics are not usable. The Paladins are not invincible because they lose Magic Immunity.

>> No.5257890

This is my favorite strategy videogame by far.
Can anyone recommend me some retro RTS with as similar gameplay to it as possible?
That isn't warcraft?
I'm fine with 4x games too as long as they have some semblance to bfme and are easy to get a grasp of.

I tried HoMM2 the other day and put it down after 10 minutes, really really didn't like how that game worked.

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>>5257890

>> No.5259325

>>5253183
>Daisenryaku Expert

>1 turn short of beating the stage
:(