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Anonymous Tue Dec 25 04:45:55 2018 No.5245581 [Reply] [Original]

Is emulation better than the real thing now?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 25 04:57:33 2018 No.5245590 >>5245581 Is N64 emulation still garbage?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 25 04:58:48 2018 No.5245592 >>5245590 Does the German Pope play with shit in the woods?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 25 05:01:29 2018 No.5245596 >>5245581 >make everything so blurry that the characters look like part of the low resolution background image How's that a good thing?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 25 05:03:04 2018 No.5245598 >>5245596 The CRT image is either fake or their gimped it to make their point because on a real CRT it would never look that shallow.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 25 05:04:47 2018 No.5245602 CRT fitlers are trash and take out frames from my fast forwarding.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 25 05:06:07 2018 No.5245604 >>5245581 Are you fucking retarded?!

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 25 05:06:39 2018 No.5245605 Higher internal resolution has been a thing since PS1 emulation started. Oh, but RetroArch re-invented it and slapped on a shader now so it's groundbreaking.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 25 05:07:48 2018 No.5245608 File: 23 KB, 349x356, 1523243962730.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5245592 Trick question all Germans play with shit

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 25 05:24:29 2018 No.5245632 >>5245581 >Top:soul >Bottom:soulless

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 25 10:42:38 2018 No.5246031 >>5245598 Huh? Neither image in the OP is from a real CRT and it doesn’t claim otherwise. Both images use the CRT royale shader.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 25 10:55:51 2018 No.5246037 >>5245602 Do people really play video games at 4x speed?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 25 11:02:45 2018 No.5246048 >>5245581 For older consoles, generally yes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 25 11:03:46 2018 No.5246054 Emulation is doing pretty good, but it's really unfair when you post that screenshot using the most shitty filter you could imagine.

Anonymous Tue Dec 25 11:09:19 2018 No.5246065

In some games, the emulation can be better than in the console. I personally always prefered NFS High Stakes on Playstation over the PC version, but the framerate on the console is ass. With Beetle I can overclock and have a smooth 60fps gameplay, shit is perfect. Some games like TOCA WTC have retarded drops to 15-17fps, and emulation can achieve stable 30fps even in a race during a storm with the screen crowded with rivals and heavy accidents.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 25 11:20:55 2018 No.5246086 >>5245632 This but unironically

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 25 15:51:10 2018 No.5246621 >>5245581 not what devs intended.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 26 06:36:42 2018 No.5248034 >>5245632 It carries the same artstic vision but looks smoother. Making psx FF models blend better with the great backgrounds is a good thing

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 26 08:03:29 2018 No.5248126 >>5245581 How anyone looks at CRT filters like that and thinks it looks good is beyond me. You took a clear image and put a tiny fuzzy grid over it, so that it's all noisy. Just play it without all the noise, or plug your PC into a real CRT monitor

Anonymous Wed Dec 26 08:09:11 2018 No.5248135

>>5245581
there is no "better" or "worse" in emulation. there's accurate and inaccurate emulation. in some cases, it provides a good alternative to real hardware, and in some very rare cases, it provides the same experience as the original. that is peak performance, it can't get better than that. if it gets better, it's no longer the same thing nor an accurate imitation of the same thing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 26 08:46:59 2018 No.5248171 >>5248126 to be fair,some shaders look pretty good while you are playing but tend to turn "LOOKIN GOOD" tier at screenshots

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 26 09:12:52 2018 No.5248212 >>5245581 LCD still has way worse contrast/colors than CRT

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 26 09:54:16 2018 No.5248263 >>5245581 that looks like liquid eye anal prolapse

Anonymous Wed Dec 26 10:15:36 2018 No.5248290
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I'm not shitting on emulators, but those shaders are all wrong. CRT displays don't have checkerboard grids all over the screen like that. It's like they tried to emulate a CRT but put vertical and horizontal jailbars all over the image.

I don't think emulation will ever be better than the real thing, but it's a perfectly legit alternative. It's much cheaper and easier to do than collecting hardware/flashcarts/media. There are interesting features like run ahead etc. Again, emulators are totally legit but I don't think you can surpass what you are emulating, if only by definition. Sure you can add all kinds of cool features and make it functionally better than original, but it still feels different (though it's to the point that it's mostly psychological and nostalgia bias).

Anonymous Wed Dec 26 10:17:14 2018 No.5248292

>>5245581
guess what fagits the bright pixels you can't find an algorithm to make the pixels on an led screen anything more than 1000 times less bright than crt ones. So when you look at a comparison image with an lcd screen like u r now then it might look ok but that's the lie you live in

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 26 10:18:43 2018 No.5248294 >>5248292 come back when you can take the time to spell "faggot" and "you are"

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 26 10:20:07 2018 No.5248297 >>5248290 They don't look like that at integer scale. These images are from an article or something.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 26 10:21:15 2018 No.5248298 >>5245581 It always was. At least for those consoles with great emulators. >>5245590 Does SM64 and the Zelda games work at least?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 26 10:21:45 2018 No.5248302 >>5248297 That's good then because that image looks like hot shit with those checkerboard patterns.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 26 10:28:10 2018 No.5248305 >>5245590 it's been fine for over a decade at least. it's all about which graphics plugin you use. Glide64 has always been very accurate, with all the options for improvement that you need

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 26 11:37:42 2018 No.5248419 >>5245605 lol is elon musk involved in retroarch?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 26 14:10:11 2018 No.5248669 >>5245581 Emulation has been better than the real thing for quite some time now.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 26 17:27:48 2018 No.5249008 >>5245581 For everything other than actually playing games emulation has always been better. Clearly you've never tried debugging code on original hardware.

Anonymous Wed Dec 26 17:47:51 2018 No.5249028

>>5249008
>Clearly you've never tried debugging code on original hardware

Huh? Debugging on original hardware wasn't particularly hard. Studios all either had dev kits or had their own EE guys rig up the necessary hardware. After that, it's just normal embedded development style debugging...

PSX was even easier since everyone used dev kits which was a complete all-in-one development environment.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 26 18:13:14 2018 No.5249067 >>5245581 I can't barely perceive the fucking difference through the filtering. I've heard there are PS1 emulators that fix texture warping though, which sounds like a big improvement over the original hardware.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 26 18:44:41 2018 No.5249087 >>5248298 sm64 has emulated great for as long as I can remember.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 26 18:58:06 2018 No.5249101 >>5249087 even back when the 1st roms and emulator were released, the game was fine. shit started to get ugly when things like PD, Quake 2 and Battlezone came into play

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 26 19:12:18 2018 No.5249116 >>5249101 >battlezone oh boy... When Both 1964 and Pj64 had problem to run it due to the cockpit shenanigans and slowdowns

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 26 19:22:30 2018 No.5249121 >>5246037 Just to make dialogue text go faster

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 26 21:15:29 2018 No.5249387 >>5249028 Like I said, clearly you've never tried

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 27 01:10:59 2018 No.5249860 >>5245581 How do you properly set up Retroarch? Everytime I close the program all setting revert to default and games don't save.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 27 01:19:32 2018 No.5249875 >>5245581 >lol we have supersampling now! isn't that such a great feature? Fucking Bleem had supersampling and that was in 2001. How is this supposed to be new?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 27 01:19:48 2018 No.5249876 >>5245590 saturn and dreamcast are the only ones that aren't virtually perfect.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 27 01:25:58 2018 No.5249886 >>5246037 You get all the JRPG goodness in half the time. Fuck yes, I do.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 27 01:30:01 2018 No.5249891 >>5245581 Sometimes depending on the console.

Anonymous Thu Dec 27 02:30:12 2018 No.5249971
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>>5245581
The OP's pic is a bad example because it's the CRT filter "improving" the pic and not the supersampling itself. All it does is use whatever high res rendering you're using and resample it back to original res. It still looks blurry, and arguably as bad as rendering the polygons in high res against low res backgrounds.
I don't know why they chose to use a CRT filter to showcase their new feature, it's kind of deceiving. Also BeetlePSX really doesn't like retroarch's filters, it even crashes with some games or refuses to load them when applied.
tl:dr it doesn't really look that good and they're making it look different with the CRT filter.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 27 02:32:47 2018 No.5249974 File: 870 KB, 1920x1080, PE2-2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5249971 Here's the same hallway in all its warped polygon glory at 16X rendering resolution. I don't know, but making everything blurry and dithered is hardly a solution.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 27 02:35:19 2018 No.5249978 >>5249860 Install it somewhere where it won't need admin privileges to write to its own folder. Don't install it in Program Files, dumbass, otheriwse you have to give it admin rights every time you run it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 27 02:36:57 2018 No.5249979 >>5249971 Upscaling is fine. You fairies slapping filters on everything need to be gassed.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 27 02:38:57 2018 No.5249981 >>5249979 I didn't apply any filters to that pic, cockbreath, that's the fucking point.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 27 02:45:43 2018 No.5249992 >>5245581 >zoomers actually believe this is what a crt looks like

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 27 03:59:24 2018 No.5250068 >>5249981 Kys

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