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What old games do you consider being overrated or having aged poorly, /vr/?

>> No.5236349

>zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZOOOOOoooooooooooom!
What was that!?

>> No.5236364
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>>5236336
u mad

>> No.5236389

>>5236364
cringe thiefag

>> No.5236396

>>5236364
mgs is good if you take it for what it is: an interactive cyberpunk anime packed with campy clichés and pop culture references. just like all of kojima's games, really. the presentation is pretty much perfect, even though there isn't much in the way of gameplay.

>> No.5236403

>>5236396
better than waiting simulator that thief is

>> No.5236449

>>5236336
You're an astronomical retard if you think Thief is either overrated or aged poorly.

>> No.5236450

mods are lazy

>> No.5236463

>>5236449
inferior to ultima underworld, system shock and deus ex. not even the best 1998 game.

>> No.5236474

>>5236364
You don't even need to read the text to know this image is true. Zoomers love Metal Gear Solid but it's clear they don't give a fuck about a good stealth game.

>> No.5236482

>>5236474
seething thiefag

>> No.5236487

imagine being so hipster that you think thief was a good game.

>> No.5236742

>>5236364
>not liking both
dumb wojakposter
I thought /vr/ was better than this

>> No.5236759

>>5236403
>a movie is better than a game
back to >>>/tv/ kojimadrone

>> No.5236760

>>5236742
thiefniggers are obsessed

>> No.5236762

>>5236759
for zoomers that's true, they hate to play games, they all watch streams now

>> No.5236765

>>5236759
>>5236762
back to your shitty containment thread thiefag.
thief is not a real game >>5230572

>> No.5236790

>>5236765
>thief is not a real game
>movie gear solid is

>> No.5236797

>>5236790
ok retard

>> No.5236798
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>> No.5236805

no one likes your shitty stealth game boomers.
no one remembers thief.

>> No.5236808

>>5236765
>be anti immersive sim fag
>get mad when when immersive sim players call them sims
>also get mad when they call them games

>> No.5236813

>>5236808
they are not immersive or real games

>> No.5236828

>>5236765
Agree. Since when was Thief this massive fucking game like Quake or Starcraft, it's just the same guy spamming Thief threads every week.

>> No.5236832

>>5236805
>Hate thread 20 years later
>Nobody remembers, I swear I don't remember myself!

>> No.5236918

>>5236364
I like Thief but c'mon none of that is true about MGS lol

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>>5236364
fixed

>> No.5236960

>>5236940
cringe

>> No.5238238

Thief 2. That game was shit compared to the first one.

>> No.5238252

>>5236960
He isn't wrong. At all.

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>>5238238
>>5238252
>Bumping this shit pile of a thread from page 10

>> No.5238894

>>5238252
He is. Fucking thiefnigger

>> No.5238916

>>5236336
Every non-tactical JRPG.

>> No.5239446

I started playing MGS and holy shit, this is awful. The camera view used means that you don't see shit most of the time. It's so stupid.

>> No.5239457

>>5239446
not as awful as thief

>> No.5239469

/v/niggers back to >>>/v/

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>>5236805
>boomers

I doubt most Thiefags actually played this game when they were kids. It was an obscure PCuck game that only sold 500k units compared to MGS's 6 million+. It's just zoomer hipsters thinking they are cool for liking an obscure series and hating a much more memorable and successful one.

>> No.5240135

Metal Gear Solid

>> No.5240181

>>5239960
>it's just people thinking it's good to like good games, unacceptable
This is how retarded you sound right now, please be bait.

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>>5240181
I wouldn't have a problem with them if it was just that. The problem is that Thiefags are OBSESSED with MGS fans and keep comparing their game to it constantly even though they're nothing alike despite technically belonging to the same genre. The first MGS might not be that good as a stealth game, but it has other merits. And it's not like Thief is perfect as one either when stuff like pic related can happen. It has a lot of neat mechanics, sure, but they're not implemented very well.

>> No.5240297

>>5240220
>but it has other merits.
No it doesn't you butthurt Kojimadrone.

>> No.5240540

>>5240297
You are proving his point.

>> No.5240746

>tfw my friend tried to get me into Thief
>gave me his CD-ROM
>I installed it but never played because I was obsessed with Tomb Raider 2 (nude patched)

>> No.5240975

>>5239457
yes, not 'as', but much more awful, as in 'actually awful'

>> No.5241240

>>5236336
>>>/v/

>> No.5241247

>>5239446
There's a first person view button, dipshit

>> No.5241250

>>5240220
As someone who loves Thief, I do have to admit that shadows make guards a little too easy to avoid, especially if you're on a quiet surface. You basically have to be touching their dick in order for them to become aware of you.

>> No.5241258

>>5236336
Are we really at the point we have to force discussion by using cheap baits, just like /v/?

>> No.5241278

>>5238894
Better than a mgscuck. Something must have gone horribly wrong in your life to have such horrible taste. Sad.

>> No.5241297

>>5240220
Of course Thief isn't perfect. However, purely talking stealth, Metal Gear Solid is a joke compared to Thief.
>It has a lot of neat mechanics, sure, but they're not implemented very well.
I don't think this is the case. Or better said: I understand where you are coming from, but I don't agree. The changes you suggest would infuriate a major amount of people.

This is a stealth game so it is natural that the perfect playthrough would consist of ghosting through the levels. Anything else e.g. blackjacking a guard, being seen, and more, would break the ghosting and cause guards to search you indefinitely. Because let's be honest: if the cops see me breaking into a house, they won't stop looking for me until they find me, as opposed to saying "oh well, I guess it was nothing". The issue with Metal Gear Solid is how simple and inconsistent its mechanics are. For instance, walking on water is a no-no (good), but running around has no consequences (bad). In Thief, you have to control your speed at all times. You can run around but if you are close to a guard, he will notice you.

My only major issue with Thief, aside of the supernatural elements which I did not like, had to do with the shadows. Especifically how inconsistent they were: some very visible areas provided complete stealth, whereas some obscured areas let you open to be seen. It made stealthing on the run very difficult, because you never knew, just by looking at it, whether a shadow provided protection or not. Metal Gear Solid's system didn't have this problem because it was based on line of sight as opposed to shadows (correct me if I'm wrong, though).

Metal Gear Solid probably has other merits, but I just find it funny when a game is praised for anything but the gameplay. It honestly bothers me that people complain about movies with gameplay nowadays, when people like Hideo Kojima where the ones who popularized this to begin with.

>> No.5241302

>>5240220
>>5241297
And this is not me saying "we shouldn't praise good stories/good storytelling in videogames", but I simply don't see anything remarkable in Metal Gear Solid, purely from a gameplay perspective, to praise it so much. Especially because the story is convoluted as hell, interrupts the flow of gameplay, you know the drill. I think that Thief: The Dark Project (haven't played The Metal Age) is probably the best stealth game ever made and it will be sometime before it is surpassed, if ever. This is because most of the things that made it so good are nowadays considered "bad" or "too hard", like not having a magical radar telling you where enemies are (and by extension, showing you their movement patterns), or a quest compass, or a detailed map, or linear levels, or being able to kill your enemies with ease, or refilling your health with ease, not being able to run all the time, etc.

It really is a game that sort of peaked the genre, as opposed to other games that had yet to peak before the masses made it impossible to make that sort of game again. Like Fallout for cRPGs, which hit all the right notes just in time before the consolization of western RPGs.

>> No.5241439

>>5241302
>or a quest compass
Did you mean quest marker? Cause Thief does have a compass.

>> No.5241462

>>5241278
>>5241297
>>5241302
Enjoy your forgotten waiting simulator.
Thief gameplay is bad. Inferior to deus ex, ultima underworld and system shock.

>> No.5241546

>>5241439
>Did you mean quest marker? Cause Thief does have a compass.
Yes, I called it quest compass because a lot of first person titles (particularly Bethesda's) incorporate the quest marker into the compass.
>>5241462
The whole idea of stealth is to move undetected. Waiting is part of the charm, just like it is to move quickly once you see an opening.

>> No.5241763

>>5239960
30yo boomer here. I played it as a kid pretty much exclusively. I only started browsing /vr/ recently, and I'm sort of surprised that it ascended to a meme game here.

>> No.5241794

>>5241462
t. spergy zoomer with no patience

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>>5240220
I actually once quickly checked through the old TTLG forums (the original Thief/Looking Glass Studios fan forums) about the topic of Metal Gear Solid. Their reaction:

"What? Who hate MGS? It's actually a pretty good game it's just doing things completely different to Thief."

"I've never really heard the comparison between the two - they're both so different. I can't remember anyone in 1998 comparing the two."

"There's one cringey metalfag on youtube who compares the two constantly but that's about it."

I'm paraphrasing here but you get the gist. All the oldfag Thief fans couldn't give a shit about comparing the two. It's mostly only the new fans who do that. Besides I once watched an internet argument between an MGS fan and a Thiefag and the mgs fag was clearly the retarded one who wouldn't listen. Not to say all mgs fags are like that - there's sure to be Thiefags who are exactly the same but I really don't think it's because of their choice of game. I think a lot of people just like to be obstinate argumentative loudmouths on the internet and will go to blows over any topic no matter how retarded.

Besides Thief 2 holds up way better. Thief 1 has some great moments but it does have issues - great atmosphere though, it really does feel like you're slowly descending into a hellish, surreal madness the more the game goes on.

>> No.5242723

>>5242715
>"There's one cringey metalfag on youtube who compares the two constantly but that's about it."

lol i'm assuming he means razorfist.

>> No.5243032

>>5242715
Like I said, it's just zoomer hipsters who think they are cool for hating popular things. Unfortunately, /vr/ is full of people like that due to stemming from /v/ which is a zoomer shithole.

>> No.5244506

This will be the sixth time we've had this thread and we've become exceedingly efficient at it.jpg

>> No.5245983
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I don't want to kill a thread to ask this question, so...
Does /vr/ have a starter kit or infographic of some kind? I know this exists*, but I am willing to bet you have something cleaner, sorted by genre. Am I wrong?

*
http://vsrecommendedgames.wikia.com/wiki/PC/Windows_XP

>> No.5246028

>being a hackjimadrone after mgs4
>being a hackjimadrone after mgs V
>being a hackjimadrone period

>> No.5246093

>>5236336
Myst.

1,000% Myst.

Everyone and their grandmother had Myst. Myst was the "OMG! I need to get a CD-ROM drive now! NOW!!!!" For the grandma / grandpa / I don't play computer games but I want to have nerd coolness idiots.

Before The Sims, there was Myst.

>> No.5246218

>>5245983
>I don't want to kill a thread to ask this question
but I will if you force my hand.

>> No.5246457

>>5246028
>>If you dont like thief you must be a kojimadrone.
The absolute state of /vr/

>> No.5246462

No one mentioned doom yet.
Fucking shitty normalfag game.

>> No.5247365

>trannyjanny only deletes the thread if the OP is about MGS

Nice unbiased moderation here.

>> No.5247501

>>5242723
Didn't razorfist used to be a regular at TTLG

>> No.5247505

>>5247365

You do the MGS thread every week, you cancerous faggot.

>> No.5248269

>>5247505

What? I'm not /ogg/fag, you paranoid tard. I just think /ogg/ in general is cancer, but as long as the OP isn't about a game trannyjanny loves he doesn't seem to give a shit apparently.

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>>5236336
Played thief for a first time month ago. Timeless masterpiece of a game.

>> No.5248348

>>5246093
Myst is an awesome game (even though Riven is better).

>> No.5248431

>71 replies
All these years the obsessive autist was a thiefag lmao

>> No.5248485

>>5248431
It's more likely oggfag is a butthurt nintendo fanboy that PSX games sold better than N64 games.
Thiefags know Thief is superior to MGS so they don't need to go shitposting about it.

>> No.5248661

>>5236364
theres no point for this image to exist

>> No.5249852

>>5240220
I don't see an issue with what's happening in what you posted. What's supposed to be wrong with it?