/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.5216439]

Why is this game so trash?

[Anonymous No.5216442]

Nomura

[Anonymous No.5216449]

>>5216439
>Why is this jrpg so trash?
Gee, I wonder...

[Anonymous No.5216464]

Silly OP, thats the best Chrono game!

[Anonymous No.5216592]

>>5216439
It was good at the time.

Actually I still like it.

[Anonymous No.5216604]

>>5216592
So what you're saying is it aged?

[Anonymous No.5216606]

I did like the insane 40-man roster. Kinda wish more RPGs would go overboard like that.

[Anonymous No.5216616]

>>5216442
I don't think he had anything to do with this game

[Anonymous No.5216658]

>>5216439
I got to the part where you break into the first castle with the guitar guy and my party was so fucked from poison and no items that I literally had to quit the game. I felt I had gotten too far to simply restart and I never picked it back up. I don't know if I will or not. At the time I went in to beat it.

[Anonymous No.5216695]

>>5216449
Go back to your containment board

[Anonymous No.5217693]

I heavily enjoyed this game but wish it went on longer like some of the other rpgs. also i maybe if the quality of the characters had more depth and were more interesting in sotryline.

[Anonymous No.5217707]

>>5216439
Why are u so trash? This game is awesome and has the best vidya OST of all time

[Anonymous No.5217729]

>>5216439
Pros
-Beautiful graphics that still manage to provoke a sense of awe and wonder even years after it was made
-one of the best OSTs in all of retro fandom.

cons
-Convoluted story that makes no sense and for all its density still somehow manages to be cliched, and trite
-Insane roster means that characters are more like pokemon and don't really get any narrative development beyond a core group of characters
-battle system is not hard, but tedious and makes grinding a chore
-should have been a stand-alone game like how Final Fantasies are not directly connected to one another, rather than trying to shoe-horn in character designs and plot devices from a game with a completely different art direction.
-having a furry for a villain is almost as inexcusable as Kid's accent.

[Anonymous No.5217734]

>>5216439
I'm not a JRPG guy so I just kind of enjoyed everything at face value. Can someone explain why everyone bitches about the combat system? It's pretty simple to me and works pretty well.

[Anonymous No.5217750]

t. triggerniggers

[Anonymous No.5217758]

>>5217750
>t.cross-tism

[Anonymous No.5219107]

Cross is the pinnacle of jRPG in every way.

[Anonymous No.5219142]

>>5216439
The only thing that really bothers me about CC is the absurd amount of characters that you can collect. Instead of focusing on a select few characters and writing a story that revolves heavily around them, we ended up with a game with two characters with decent stories and a fuck ton of sub-characters with shitty development.

[Anonymous No.5219635]

>>5217734
No one really knows.

[Anonymous No.5219643]

Definitely one of the weaker PSX RPGs. I don't like the island motif; I could tell the developers were trying to convey with the music that such a locale is peaceful and you should long to live in such a place but I think that sort of environment would be miserable. The element system was alright though.

[Anonymous No.5219719]

I wanted to love this game. I tried my best back when it came out to endure it's terrible battle system. I was pretty into the music and some of the characters, but the grinding got so bad I quit toward the end of disc one.

[Anonymous No.5219726]

CC was my second experience with this genre and it remains one of my favorites JRPG's. Why is it so trash? It isn't to me, so I don't have an answer for you.

[Anonymous No.5219727]

Beat it sometime last year and I absolutely adored it. It was just such an aesthetically pleasing adventure, I have a hard time believing anyone really disliked it for any reason besides it conflicting with their own concept of what a sequel to Chrono Trigger should have been like.

It really is a technical marvel.

[Anonymous No.5219759]

Chrono Cross is a fantastic game.
Including the story which I guarantee kinda stinks in the West because it was hard to translate.
You can't have a game like this that has fantastic visuals, music, gameplay, and pedigree, and have a shit story. Any problem with the story it because of typical bad translation stuff.

Despite this, the translation wasn't too bad, and the story not too bad either, for what they're getting at. The story conveys the concepts of fate well, how changes can affect fate and leaving one to ponder if fate or free will matter. It's due for another playthrough from me. Think I'll play Trigger first just to warm up. Don't think I've ever played Cross on my PS2 over component. Should be nice.

[Anonymous No.5219770]

>>5216439
Chrono Cross would Unironically make a great Gatcha RPG.
Shit ton of character to roll for (third of which are pretty hot), Magic system that lends itself to heavily building up characters. Setting where new islands or even new parallel worlds can be thrown in easily to keep the game interesting. And the ending already sucked, so that fact that it never has a real proper ending won't matter.

There you go square. Make a good old Chrono Cross phone game (and charge 20 dollars on top of the in game fees you stupid bastard. I want my limited edition naughty christmas Leena.

[Anonymous No.5220549]

People do not like CC because it isn't CT 2.0. It is that simple. It is still a fucking amazing game in it's own right.

[Anonymous No.5221296]

>>5216606
I liked it too, and I like how irrelevant more than half of the characters are. Finding characters is just fun.

[Anonymous No.5221838]

>>5221296
This. Shitty as they may be, it's fun to collect things that can potentially be useful.

[Anonymous No.5221920]

this and the migeul battle were pretty epic

[Anonymous No.5222714]

>>5221920
Such a good game honestly

[Anonymous No.5223321]

>>5216449
RED

DIT

[Anonymous No.5223361]

>>5216439
Everyone isn't Vegeta.

[Anonymous No.5223446]

>>5216606

[Anonymous No.5224059]

>>5216439

Total mess of a game. All they needed to do was to remake CT for the Playstation. Story, setting, characters, total mess. A lot of the key staff did not return.

CT had three directors, and one of them was Takashi Tokita. He went on to direct Parasite Eve, and that game feels more like a contuation of the CT style battle system. CT was expanding and improving a bit on the turn based battle system, however this was all discarded for the sequel. FF7 was huge, so they just went with a generic FF style system.

[Anonymous No.5224062]

>>5223361
>Everyone isn't Vegeta.

Meme answer by an idiot. I'm well aware of that image. CT doesn't have a single character that looks like Vegeta. Toriyama has like 7 faces he recycles over and over again, and Crono is a clear Goku variant.

[Anonymous No.5224434]

>>5216439
I enjoy it.

[Anonymous No.5224439]

>>5223446
They did it better because it's a 4 character party, too

[Anonymous No.5224441]

>>5221920
Look at this low poly art holy shit

Art direction is so underrated

[Anonymous No.5224501]

>>5220549
This I feel like if they didn’t try to make it a CT sequel it would have been received better. It had little to do with CT.

[Anonymous No.5224507]

>>5216439
Do you know what the real problem with this game is? They introduce the main character and Kid. Beginning of the game start to bond with these characters. It’s not Chrono and Marley but I can dig them, Kid seems pretty awesome actually.

THEN proceed to spend 3/4 the game in a shitty FURSONA as lynx while the best character is killed.

seroiusly fuck that game.

[Anonymous No.5224641]

>>5224062
It was clearly a joke, cockbreath, chill the fuck out.

[Anonymous No.5224671]

>>5216439

Its just rubbish. The music is good though.

[Anonymous No.5224996]

>>5224062
Hard autism in this response

[Anonymous No.5225097]

>>5221920
Is this from the game OP mentioned? This is some great texturing, considering the hardware.

[Anonymous No.5225585]

>>5216439
-Too many characters, lack of focus as a result.
-Clusterfuck writing which is a common problem for the genre
-Technical problems everywhere especially regarding the framerate
-The worst battle theme in video game history.

[Anonymous No.5225651]

>>5224059

> All they needed to do was to remake CT for the Playstation.

uh, they did

you want to talk about a total mess of a game....

[Anonymous No.5226470]

>>5225585
I agree with too many characters but disagree with the rest.

[Anonymous No.5226482]

>>5224439
Suikoden has a 6 character party

[Anonymous No.5226731]

>>5224507
Hot-blooded tomboys are just the best

[Anonymous No.5226769]

>>5226731
Amen

[Anonymous No.5226785]

>>5226769

[Anonymous No.5226792]

>>5219643
The tropical island setting is one of the best things about it though

[Anonymous No.5227290]

>>5226792
Yup, it really is. CC is arguably the comfiest game of all time.

[Anonymous No.5228401]

>>5226731
Imagine how tight she is. Fuck...

[Anonymous No.5228464]

>>5216439
I blame two things.

1. While the battle system is unique, monster stats are too low to take advantage of the no grinding attribute of it. In particular, they almost never make physical tanks that can only be hit by elements at all meaning you can brute force with normal attacks for most of the game.

2. While there are a couple more connections to Trigger than some bring up, they are still very few.

[Anonymous No.5229039]

>>5216439
I don’t like it, i refuse it as canon, I love Trigger but yet this game triggered me. I will admit that it’s got the Ps1’s best graphics, any contenders? Maybe SOTN?

[Anonymous No.5229119]

>>5216439
The combat system is pretty garbage, doesn't really take advantage of anything it actually tried to do, so in the end it boils down to brute forcing your way out of everything. While the story shits itself bit before the end of the first disc
Amazing soundtrack and the graphics were amazing for their time, an example of it being >>5221920.

[Anonymous No.5229167]

>>5228401
She's a homeless wanderer, probably smells bad

[Anonymous No.5229179]

>>5229167

That just adds to the fun.

[Anonymous No.5229405]

>>5228464
Honestly, I don't mind the connections to Trigger that much, but your first point is what makes this game unforgivable to me.
You have such a wide array of elements, fully customizable per character, and you never have a need for them.
Also I don't like the battle music at all. The music sounds great on its own but it doesn't fit the battles at all. Specially bad with bosses, and double specially the plot-relevant ones.

The plot is trash, specially the shoehorned environmentalist crap (those hi-ho bastards specially. They are the ones with fucking tanks but humans are the bad guys? Fuck! the human settlements aren't even INDUSTRIALIZED! You'd expect that shorta stuff in FF7 or something, not here where human towns look like god damn vacation spots, and I don't think they know about the labs at all (and if they did they should probably worry more about Lavos or the fucking evil dragons). Nope let's genocide fairies and guilt-trip the player for no reason.) but I could overlook that if the battles were any good. This game needs some sort of hack that makes battles a lot more tactical. Maybe an Ancient Cave-style hack. Sadly PS1 hacking isn't quite there for that kinda advanced stuff.

[Anonymous No.5229784]

>>5220549
>>5224501
Fact: the only reason people even care about Cross as much as they do is BECAUSE it's a Trigger sequel. Remove the branding and it'd be forgotten in the vast sea of PSX Jrpgs.

[Anonymous No.5229785]

>>5216439
It's boring as fuck

[Anonymous No.5229817]

It is unfortunately true that you might as well just always use physical attacks, unless the mechanics of the boss necessitate manipulating elements, or they're just resistant or something.

Even on a regular run and not NG+, I can have Serge and another powerhouse so ridiculously strong by the latter third of the game that I can cripple bosses within four turns spamming 2-2-3. Elements take an entire 7 for one spot of damage, so it's just not worth it unless you have a seriously magic-oriented character or the skill has some particularly good side effect, or you're pretty sure you can kill an enemy by running into the negatives. Although if you are using the 3rd character for this, you can just go back to the other two and it doesn't matter that the 3rd needs to recharge. But again, in most cases I don't even need that person, unless maybe it's Fargo/Kid/Mel or another utility character. Probably the best option.

Regardless, CC is a nice game in terms of aesthetics. Everything looks fantastic, and the music is Yasunori Mitsuda, so how can you go wrong (aside from the battle music)? The large roster is always cited as a "downside" because people aren't able to view it as simply a curiosity. I don't know if they saw a character like Poshul or Mojo and thought to themselves, "When am I going to see their dramatic backstory?!" Like, some of these characters are just there for the aesthetic/humor and for messing around in battle, stop trying to ascribe meaning to everything.

[Anonymous No.5231495]

>>5224062
>CT doesn't have a single character that looks like Vegeta.

>literally green Vegeta

Do Chrononiggers ever manage to do anything beside embarrass themselves every time they claim something?

[Anonymous No.5231498]

>>5216439
because they spent the budget on music

[Anonymous No.5232419]

>>5231498
It was worth it imo

[Anonymous No.5232649]

>>5216439
Chrono Trigger did not need a sequel. It was fine enough on its own.

[Anonymous No.5232696]

>>5216439
>Presumptious writing; they gave too much freedom and credit to Kato. This fucker is a hack. Typical writing of someone who thinks is a master of saying deep things but it's just a moron.
>Retarded number of characters. Like, 9000 pieces of shit, from a literal skeleton clown to a fat niggress who hits dragons and gods with a goddamn frying pan
>Way too small world map. Like, 03 cities to visit. Cloning the same places with slight changes does not count.
>Plot is goddamn garbage. Period. So Balthazar was behind every fart that was farted?
>Battle system is not great. All characters are basically the same with just comestic changes. Summons are as impractical as shit. Serges + Mastermune + phys attack destroys everyrhing.

I liked it tho...it's good.

[Anonymous No.5234153]

>>5216439
I guess you don't like classic music