/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.5211147]

Quake 2 turned 21 yesterday. This game is old enough to drink. What does /vr/ think of it? Favorite maps? Favorite mods?

[Anonymous No.5211151]

Inferior to the original

[Anonymous No.5211154]

Superior to the original.

[Anonymous No.5211156]

Interior like suicide wristrags

[Anonymous No.5211161]

it's trash

easily the worst game in the quake trilogy

[Anonymous No.5211168]

>>5211161
That would be quake 4 and quake wars.

[Anonymous No.5211172]

>>5211147
I remember my brother and I spent two days downloading it over dialup back in the day because all his friends were talking about it at high school.

It was our first Doomvania and it blew our minds. Lots of nostalgia with this game, recently found an old expack CD for it called "Extremeties" lying around the house from about two decades ago.

[Anonymous No.5211203]

>>5211168
>trilogy
>quake 4
???

[Anonymous No.5211216]

>>5211147
It's alright.
Though I mostly use it to test CD audio playback and benchmark the performance of Windows 98 environments.

[Anonymous No.5211260]

>>no half life 20th anniversary thread on /vr/
>>instead this game gets a 21 anniversary one.

[Anonymous No.5211279]

>>5211260
How about you go make a half-life thread instead of bitching about it here.

[Anonymous No.5211357]

>>5211203
This anime girls pictures are always so uncanny valley and off putting.

[Anonymous No.5211378]

>>5211156
I can excercise you, this can be your phys ed

[Anonymous No.5211426]

>>5211147
It shouldn't have been named "Quake." I know that they supposedly couldn't find another name for it; That's why you hire real fiction writers and not just your neighbor downstairs who hammers out fan fiction movie scripts.

Having written that, it was technically superior to the original but the story.. story has never been iD's strong suit. For me, Q2 got eclipsed by Unreal 1 & Half-Life 1.

[Anonymous No.5212394]

>>5211161
its better than quake 3 aka lazy botmatch arena. why even buy quake 3 if you can download frogbot for quakeworld? at least quake 2 has a singleplayer with secrets to find, thats far more interesting than what we got

[Anonymous No.5212404]

>>5211161
Meh, better than Daikatana.

[Anonymous No.5212782]

>>5211357
Perhaps because she is not actually from an anime but is instead a 3D rendered model from a YouTube channel.

[Anonymous No.5212786]

>>5211147
Legit best multiplayer in the series
>chaingun vs chaingun
>best railgun in series

[Anonymous No.5212882]

>>5211161
>>5211168
fucc u
quake 4 and quake 2 are better than quake 3 because both had good singleplayer and quake 3 had a dumbass shitty "balanced" (more like boring) 9 weapon roster and was mostly multiplayer only
And for that matter
If multiplayer was all that mattered
DAIKATANA IS BETTER THAN QUAKE 3 BECAUSE THE WEAPONS IN THAT GAME ARE ACTUALLY FUN TO USE
side winder > quake3 rocket launcher
earthquake gun > quake 3 bfg
ion blaster > quake 3 plasma rifle

Oh yeah and those other weapons like hammer of hades, trident of posideon, ballista, daikatana, freeze ray etc were fun too

[Anonymous No.5212920]

>>5211357
ok look a quake2 thread a perfect thread to talk about my mangaphobia

[Anonymous No.5213001]

it was already old enough to drink 3 years ago though?

[Anonymous No.5213006]

It had some good ideas, but is full of bullet sponges.

[Anonymous No.5213294]

I can't with this game. Maybe I'm just a retard, but the gameplay feels strange. The game is fast and everything but I feel that I'm not shooting anyone here (even though I do it) and I cannot pass the first level because I suddenly die really quickly all the time.

[Anonymous No.5213413]

>>5213001
Not in the greatest country in the world.

[Anonymous No.5213423]

>>5213413
Yeah, in Japan its 20

[Anonymous No.5213430]

>>5213423

[Anonymous No.5213747]

>>5213294
Git gud

[Anonymous No.5213782]

>>5211147
Shit ton better than Quake 4, fuck that game.

[Anonymous No.5213818]

>>5211378
cheat on your man homie AAAAAAUUGH tryna get through the door man! can't make it this shit's stuck!

[Anonymous No.5214295]

best version coming through

[Anonymous No.5214339]

>>5211147
It was the first game I got after I bought a cd rom
Also, it was with the first bunch of games with proper 3d
I love it

[Anonymous No.5214363]

>>5214295
What is that, N64?
The one with those choppy animations?
I don't know, man.

[Anonymous No.5214471]

>>5214295
best version? its an entirely different game

[Anonymous No.5214476]

>>5214471
exactly

[Anonymous No.5214484]

>>5214476
i recall liking it more i agree but i felt like i battled with the controls a lot

[Anonymous No.5214489]

>>5214484
it's standard fps layout still used today.

[Anonymous No.5214504]

>>5214489
>standard fps layout
>move with right hand dpad, aim and fire with left
>battle with automatic center view and slope aim
>all at silky smooth 10 fps on the console version and with a joystick that feels like grinding plastic in na controllers because the lack of lube
if you said doom 64 i would have agreed, it felt perfectly fine. but playing quake 2 64 requires a lot more effort due to y axis aiming/no autoaim and a joystick camera that works in a different way to modern shooters entirely (the auto centering)

[Anonymous No.5214513]

>>5214504
right hand dpad? the fuck? You know you can configure the controls right? The left hand dpad is move=left stick move, analog stick look=right stick look, trigger=fire, shoulder button=jump. All of this can easily be mapped to a modern controller. Look spring can be turned off.

[Anonymous No.5214557]

Ignore the psychopath who insists you use the d-pad to move in N64 games and trying to pretend that everyone knows that's the way to play. The best way, backed up by many, is c-buttons move as almost all the speedrunners use (speedrunners are worth referring to because they play it a LOT and highly competent players). If you want to use d-pad move, fine go ahead, but it's not what's generally done.

[Anonymous No.5214583]

>>5214513
how do you switch weapons? thats a and b. regardless dpads all feel stiff as fuck for 3d movement games
>modern controllers
you could then say all fps at any time ever have standard fps layouts, because they can be bound in xpadder to 360 controller. though i never tried turning off lookspring, i never thought it was particularly awful in quake 2 64 i was simply saying it isn't a feature in standard console fps games

[Anonymous No.5214585]

>>5214583
it's digital movement, doesn't matter what you use. I regularly switch from the dpad to the analog stick, same shit.

[Anonymous No.5214595]

>>5214585
what console fps use dpad for movement. im only saying it isnt standard, yellow buttons for movement are the best option for nintendo 64 controllers because of a and b being accessible, and digital controls work fine but its not standard and i would far prefer using a joystick

[Anonymous No.5214603]

>>5214595
digital movement is the standard for fps. You can use either dpad or cbuttons I don't give 2 shits. I was just showing how it mirrors modern fps controls.

[Anonymous No.5215972]

>americans can die for their jewish overlords at 18 but can't drink till they are 21
lmao

[Anonymous No.5216180]

>>5215972
>be American
>can't carry concealed weapon
>have to conceal alcohol
hmmmmmm

[Anonymous No.5217047]

>>5211147
It's a great FPS but hella easy, they throw so many resources your way and you won't use any of them until the final boss, health packs are abundant, it's pretty much designed to be played for fun, just blowing shit away without a lot of thought involved, it has some great moments, the torture chambers, the medical facility, the entrance to the citadel or whatever at the end where the tank is cruising around the bottom, good, dumb, B-movie fun

[Anonymous No.5217071]

>>5212920
>animated video character
>manga

Oh look a Quake 2 thread, the perfect place to show off that I'm a triggered weeaboo brainlet

[Anonymous No.5217156]

>>5211147
I have to shill my singleplayer unit whenever I see Quake 2-related threads. Go play if you want some new Quake 2-singleplayer content.

https://www.moddb.com/mods/sonic-mayhem

[Anonymous No.5217473]

>>5211147
Why does this game have such dogshit mouse control? It's dogshit in the sourceports (yamaga, KMquake), too.

>>5217047
>it's pretty much designed to be played for fun
a game designed to played for fun? must be one of a kind

[Anonymous No.5217478]

>>5211147
It's not a bad game, gets unfair hate. I will say that it's still ten times better than fucking half life.

[Anonymous No.5218085]

>>5217478
It does get unfair hate, but IMHO the level design of the singleplayer campaign of H-L is far more consistent in quality than Quake 2's. However, Quake 2's multiplayer is superior.

[Anonymous No.5219136]

>>5211151
>>5211154
Antithetical but both great games.

Quake 1 had the best atmosphere, monsters and fast paced gameplay.

Quake 2 had the best sound effects, music and actual mission objectives.

Quake has the best mod (Arcane Dimensions)
Quake II mods suck, but the main game is extremely satisfying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdVLzskfKEI

[Anonymous No.5219193]

>>5218085
Its a shame people put down Quake II but praise Quake. I'll admit I was just like that until I actually decided to play Quake II again and it's better imo. I think it's overall more consistent in quality. Meanwhile, Quake varies in missions and I think mission 2 & 3 are forgettable. Plus the enemies are better done in quake II. Its kind of odd, quake 2 is the most standard fps game i could ever think of but i still love it a lot. i guess its fresh compared to modern shooters.

[Anonymous No.5219745]

>>5217473
>Why does this game have such dogshit mouse control? It's dogshit in the sourceports (yamaga, KMquake), too.
respond faggots. explain this shit.

[Anonymous No.5219767]

>>5219745
what the fuck are you on about? it plays absolutely fine

[Anonymous No.5219802]

>>5211147
this game should have been third person and had you play as a hot grill like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsWpbWpqt4I

so much better this way

and it shouldnt have kept the quack name

[Anonymous No.5219959]

https://www.moddb.com/mods/redux/features/feature-list26
My new mod.

[Anonymous No.5221543]

>>5219802
You have to be joking.

[Anonymous No.5221548]

>>5219959
Wow, this looks absolutely terrible. I'll never understand mods like this. If you want realism elements, why play an id game at all?

[Anonymous No.5222292]

>>5221548
Not him but I'm sure it's still a billion times better than your face.

>>5221543
Nah. Gives it much more personality and makes it a whole lot less generic.

>>5219136
>Quake 2 had the best sound effects
You wot? Over Quack 1? No fucking way. Q1 has the best vidya sounds fucking ever. Regarding soundtrack, I think Q1's music is mostly boring on its own, but when complemented with the actual gameplay sounds it's fucking great.

[Anonymous No.5223172]

>>5219136
>Quake II mods suck, but the main game is extremely satisfying.
Quake 2 had great mods like action quake 2 which has been ignored in favor of counter-strike for far too long.

[Anonymous No.5223260]

>>5211147
Good looking game for its time. Shitty theme (generic as fuck space marine that other games did better), especially compared to Q1. And like Q1, enemies are absolute bullet sponges, making weapons feel like pea shooters

[Anonymous No.5223286]

>>5219136
When you put it like that, it sounds like Q2 is a terrible game.

[Anonymous No.5223334]

>>5223260
To be honest I love the intro and the backstory(there is one!).
I loved the retro futurism of Quake 2. Whole aesthetic. That you have futuristic weapons and also pretty old school like and old looking(for the time in story) shotguns, smg's and a chaingun. Hated the quake 4 quake 2 reboot, and I didn't even touch Quake Wars even when I loved Enemy Territory...
To me Quake 2 is unique the same as Quake 1. I love oldschool scifi's like Aliens, Treks(apart TOS, and not kelvin upwards), old SW, over fantasy so thats why Q1 is for me inferior, but it's still important and good game.
Also I got into pc gaming when Q2 camed around.

Thats why in 2018, like twenty years late I made a mod to somehow fix and patch the game to standards of next gen FPS'es like Half-Life as much as I could for now :). I'm not finished and let's say I just started programming in C.

And what space marine game is better ? Doom3 ? Ok. Elite Force was awesome.
I think the Q2 theme is great and would be whole lot better if expanded properly. Too bad ID was busy making technology and forgot about making universes or rather thinking it wasn't important.

[Anonymous No.5223338]

>>5223286
that's because it is

[Anonymous No.5223393]

>>5221548

Because I really like the theme. And retexturing and remodelling and shit making it candy like just brakes it.
You can actually upscale textures without actually make the game looking like a different game.
Also you can do 4k todays... When the game released a lot of players had 320x240 software only mode on reasonable frame rate.

Porting to a different engine is pointless with like 5fps(afair) vertex animations.

You never understand mods like this.
Well Imagine you're at ID in 1997 and you're lead game designer. You have the knowledge and experience of the next 20 years. What would you change/add?
I would add *some* features of next gen games. First of all I broke the predictability of the point and click game...
That you can die quickly from basic weapon such as blaster when hit in "head" even if you have loads of armor.
To make all weapons powerful(some obviously more) in a realistic non silly sense. In original game blaster, shotgun and machinegun ware pretty useless. Why not make them powerful enough to make a decent fight against other weapons wielding players ?
Btw Shotguns now have like 1300(+/- 25%, or -, can't remember right now) units max range, damage scaled. Is it bad ?

[Anonymous No.5223401]

>>5223393
I would even do iron sights for the lulz if I could or had a modeller in my team.

[Anonymous No.5223442]

>>5217156

If it's low quality like "unseen" then I will not play it!
It's hard for me to not play it like visiting a museum or from developer stand point...

[Anonymous No.5223454]

>>5217473
It's a shame it shipped with ancient default controls and not explaining that you can play with better ones.
Defaults are like for a beginner fps player.
Before even starting you turn on always run and freelook with mouse(apart from binding keys and setting sound and video).

I shipped my mod with more civilized default bindings and settings.

[Anonymous No.5223507]

>>5219136

How can you compare atmosphere of a surrealistic mishmash to a sci-fi mission objective driven shooter ?

Comparing what they should become, Quake 2 has no chances of beating Quake 1 atmosphere despite great sfx.

You just like the theme more. It's similiar to LEXX that it is surrealistic, and compare LEXX to TREK. It's uncompareable, they are totally different things, still being sc-ifi shows.

[Anonymous No.5223531]

>>5212882
HAHA! Trident of poseidon! Good comparison.
Well Daikatana was good on paper but hard to pull off actually and they had inexperienced team. Imagine doom1 being first ID game. They would propably fail.
Quakes have like little backstory and are as simplistic as you can get.
Feel rebelious like Romero with my mod.

[Anonymous No.5223552]

>>5212394
Well next gen graphics. Higher tickrate. More mordern game.

You also had something like a single player in Q3.
It's not the same as downloading bots and just playing.
When we didn't had internet, me and my friends played on nightmare and who would loose a map gained a letter. Something like d, i, c, k in succession. That was a fun challenge.

[Anonymous No.5223553]

>>5211216
Why? What do you do actually ? Interesting.

[Anonymous No.5223558]

>>5211260
Propably cause q2 mostly falls forgotten followed by q3 and hl which ware apart successful games ware also very successful platforms for mods/games.

[Anonymous No.5223573]

>>5211147
worst fucking game ive ever played
>pistol feels like it doesnt have any feedback
>get shotgun if i fucking sneezed it would feel like it would have more impact on the enemies

fucking horrible

[Anonymous No.5223574]

>>5211426

Well Q2 was a successor to Q1 by multiplayer standpoint and serious players are from the multiplayer community rather then single. They are based on the singleplayer theme, but mainly multiplayer.

How many times you can play singleplayer ? Many times it's not even 1. Multiplayer has a lot more replayability.

I think it's not either right or wrong that they just added +1.
They have iconic names. Imagine implications when they would have different names. Having like almost the same name makes the brand more strong and recognisable.

Instead of crying that Q2 doesn't have it's own name give an example. I assume you have major Q2 backstory and major sci-fi knowledge. I'll try too! Let's see what can we get up with.

[Anonymous No.5223583]

>>5212786
It's unique. Hardly the best.
Didn't play Q1 much, cause I came into when Q2 camed in, but I'm now kinda returning and I like the Q2 theme whole lot more, so I doubt I'll return to Q3 for considerable amount of time. Q3 was really fun and good successor, but at 99.

[Anonymous No.5223589]

>>5211172
The demo? Full version ? Wouldn't it be easier and cheaper to get a cd copy ? Legal or illegal ? Or get the demo from a game mag ?

[Anonymous No.5223597]

>>5213294
Can't tell what you are doing wrong. Record a demo, type this in the console:
record demoname
Upload the demo file somewhere(it's in the baseq2 folder) and give a link. I'll try to help.

[Anonymous No.5223598]

>>5213006
I kinda fixed that in my mod redux. Check it out.

[Anonymous No.5223604]

>>5213782
Q4 was a reboot, not very succesful. I didn't play even once on multiplayer, compared to thousands of hours to q2 and q3.

[Anonymous No.5223621]

>>5214484
Quake 2 on console isn't even Q2. It's a different game(engine) mimicking Q2 with like minimal texture sizes, at least 2x less sizes and many, many missing. Levels are different and remade for console. Constant swiching soundtrack track on each loading which was very frequent and on n64 you had inferior soundtrack.
Pity you had a console q2 experience.

[Anonymous No.5223638]

>>5211147

I did get into heavy metal after I visited my friends house and he would show me the game.
Jesus... That was long time ago...
He made me a cassette copy along with Carmageddon soundtrack. "Lost" countless of hours on internet cafe's back in the day playing Q2. The soundtrack stays with me to this day and I recently get back to the game to make a mod and playtest it with some friends.

[Anonymous No.5223653]

>>5223573
Check my mod: "redux" then! It fixes some problems when compared to next gen games.

[Anonymous No.5223663]

>>5214557
Why even play inferior wanna be quake 2 game in the first place ?

[Anonymous No.5223664]

>>5214513
Don't bother dude, I've had this exact argument before and the autists on here just don't get it. They all grew up using c buttons or stick to move and they're too retarded to figure out how to use dpad. They always think you can't reach A or B while your right hand is on the middle prong either or some dumb shit like that. I play both Quakes and Perfect Dark using dpad for movement and it feels just as good as using a twin stick controller. In some ways i even like it more, analog is more slippery.

[Anonymous No.5223671]

>>5214557
>using left-handed control scheme because tranny speedrunners do it
lol

[Anonymous No.5223691]

>>5211147

> old enough to drink
> 21

haha usa
hahahaha
not teaching your late teens to drink responsibly
good job

16 can drink here

american "freedoms"

[Anonymous No.5223715]

>>5223589
The full version from Napster or whatever P2P server we used at the time.

We were poor as hell, so piracy was the plan.

[Anonymous No.5223718]

>>5223691
Who gives a shit. Alcohol is objectively bad for you. It's a waste of money and makes you fat and stupid.

Congrats on having a culture around youthful abuse of this swill. Ridiculous out of all the things you can be an insecure nationalist faggot about, you chose to brag about liquid poison.

[Anonymous No.5223819]

>>5223715
So you ware charged monthly not by minutes online like a call ?

[Anonymous No.5223857]

>>5223334
quake wars was a good game

[Anonymous No.5223894]

>>5223260
>Quake 2 enemies
>bullet sponges
lol, nigger what? half the enemies in the game are generic humanoids that die in 1-2 shotty blasts, the rest are easily destroyed in seconds if you aren't retarded and know what weapons to use. Hell, even DOOM had spongier enemies.

Quake 1 enemies were slightly spongier but even then, they're easy to down if you just abuse SN or 'nades and know how to use quad damage.

[Anonymous No.5224729]

I have been playing Quake II with the quake 2 xp mod. It is the same game, just graphically updated. I was impressed with how good it looks.

[Anonymous No.5225113]

>>5223507
I like them both equally for different reasons.
Both are great games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHla1wFL6kk

[Anonymous No.5225116]

>>5223894
Disgusting.

[Anonymous No.5225129]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNziokqovCg

[Anonymous No.5225130]

>>5211147
>...Anonymous
>12/16/18(Sun)02:48:54 No.5223857
>>>5223334 #


I'm 32 and used to play this online daily when it came out.

The best mods -

Rocket arena 2
CTF
3wave CTF
Kots2000
Vortex
Freeze tag
Catch the chicken

So many fond memories of the UK and euro quake 2 scene. I played for many years after q3 came out. Probably my all time favourite game (online)

[Anonymous No.5225169]

Did anyone ever actually look into how the region lock works?
Also, is this the only PC game with region lock?
I remember trying to install my euro copy of Q2 on a pirated american Windows 98 and it failing to install so I know it most definitely works.

[Anonymous No.5226102]

>>5223604
It wasn't a reboot, it was a literal sequel that takes place where 2 ends.

[Anonymous No.5226116]

I think Quake could have been an anthologic series and Quake III could have a different setting than previous games.

[Anonymous No.5226124]

>>5225169
Never heard of that stuff, but it probably just looks like the Windows region setting. There's no actual way for it to tell. I bet you could switch that American Windows region, install and switch back again.

[Anonymous No.5226134]

>>5223442
No, it is not based on Unseen or like it. I tried to take the Quake 2-vanilla aesthetics to a slightly more detailed level. Check the video for some gameplay:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQBhZHZGIeM

[Anonymous No.5226156]

>>5226102
It is. Looks totally different (ie. like doom3).

[Anonymous No.5226159]

>>5226134
I'll take a look in free time.
I think it should have a name related to the story.

[Anonymous No.5226190]

>>5213747
>>5223597

Nah, everything is okay now. As the first anon said, I just had to git gud.

[Anonymous No.5226381]

>>5225116
>newblet retard that thinks Quake enemies are bullet sponges calls facts "disgusting"
Yet another potato that should have been a throat baby

[Anonymous No.5227879]

>>5223718
america so fragile

[Anonymous No.5227883]

>>5211147
Worst thing about this game is that it gave us Quake 4, fuck that entry into the Quake series.

[Anonymous No.5227961]

I kinda liked Quake 4. Was it great? No. Was it complete trash? No way.

Stroggification scene was dope.

[Anonymous No.5227987]

>>5227961
Honestly, always felt Doom 3 was better of the two.