Final Fantasy V

[Anonymous No.5208560]

Is ff5 peak Final Fantasy?

[Anonymous No.5208571]

It’s the last one with Sakaguchi as director, so sure

[Anonymous No.5208583]

III is good

[Anonymous No.5208585]

>>5208583
by III i mean the one on snes

[Anonymous No.5208595]

Oh hey it's the 30th Final Fantasy thread on /vr/ rn, keep it up bro

[Anonymous No.5208598]

>>5208560
> implying FF mattered before 6

[Anonymous No.5208638]

>>5208560
It was an improved version of FFI and III.

[Anonymous No.5208685]

posting before the FVIII cocksucker huge homo faggot appears.

[Anonymous No.5208708]

>>5208685

[Anonymous No.5208714]

>>5208685
They’re a lot like the Hunter x Hunter fags on /a/

[Anonymous No.5208720]

>>5208560
yes
everything went downhill after that because "muh story"

[Anonymous No.5208779]

>>5208560
I love FFV, this and VI were my first ones when I bought them for PSOne.

FFV Four Job Fiesta is a nice randomizer for people who want to play it in a fresh way.

[Anonymous No.5208780]

>>5208685
Hate to break it to you, but there's more than one of us.

[Anonymous No.5208798]

>>5208585
Then call it by it's proper name and say VI you sperg.

[Anonymous No.5208803]

9/10 it's alright

[Anonymous No.5208827]

>>5208720
FF4 kicked off 'muh' story, FF5 just delayed the inevitable.

[Anonymous No.5208962]

best 2d: ff4
best 3d: ff9

[Anonymous No.5209215]

>>5208598
>t. faggot millennial
The FF1 and Dragon Quest basically spawned the entire JRPG genre.

[Anonymous No.5209261]

No, the series peaked with FF7 and Tactics (even though 8 is my personal fav)

[Anonymous No.5209268]

>>5209215
I just didn't play stone age JRPGs and lie to myself that they were enjoyable during an era that saw peak 2D action games. FF6 was when the genre finally became worthwhile.

[Anonymous No.5209276]

>>5209268
FF6 is broken, unbalanced, and massively overrated. 4 and 5 are better in everything except cutscenes and interface. And I give people a pass for not liking 4's fixed classes if they aren't too dumb to recognize the quality combat.

[Anonymous No.5209286]

>>5209276
>implying the job system isn't broken to the point of uselessness in FF5.

[Anonymous No.5209290]

>>5208780
PREACH IT, BROTHER!

[Anonymous No.5209296]

>>5209276
4 actually has variable cast times and other subtleties.

[Anonymous No.5209298]

>>5209276
>And I give people a pass for not liking 4's fixed classes if they aren't too dumb to recognize the quality combat.
>too dumb to recognize the quality combat
Press A to win isn’t quality combat. Or towards the end game, casting bahumut and cure4 ad nauseum is not quality combat.
Every Nintendo-era FF game except 5 has bad combat.

[Anonymous No.5209324]

>>5209298
bait

[Anonymous No.5209572]

>>5208779
This, and FFV ancient cave too.

[Anonymous No.5209627]

>>5208962
based as fuck

[Anonymous No.5209636]

I miss when this series was goofy medieval crap and not modern/steampunk shit

[Anonymous No.5209669]

>>5209636
Blame ff6

[Anonymous No.5209865]

>>5208560
8 is

[Anonymous No.5209867]

Yes

[Anonymous No.5209945]

>>5208583
>>5208585
See, if you just said VI, you wouldn't have had to make a second post clarifying which one you meant instead of the one most people will assume since III usually refers to the fucking third game in the series.

[Anonymous No.5209953]

All three PSone FFs are peak FF.

VII was a good, memorable drama with a fun battle system to play around with and god tier soundtrack.
VIII was a really bizarre, worthwhile experiment with a highly customizable junction mechanics and a beautiful world.
IX was a perfect throwback to old school JRPGs with a really lovable cast and a distinctly playful, fun tone.

[Anonymous No.5209962]

>>5209636
blame FF2 when they decided to retell Star Wars and involved a high-tech aerial battlecruiser as a major part of the storyline

[Anonymous No.5209991]

>>5209324
Please tell me about how 4’s battle system is deep.

[Anonymous No.5210047]

>>5208560
chocobo lookin like a straight PIDGE.

[Anonymous No.5210053]

>>5209945
im doing it out of tradition. a real american refers to final fantasy III on the snes as III.

[Anonymous No.5210072]

>>5208560
IV through VII is my peak FF

[Anonymous No.5210343]

>>5209991
>moving the goalposts
shut the fuck up brainlet

[Anonymous No.5210549]

>>5209962
including sci-fi elements or anachronisms in an classic/medieval setting is not the same as having a fully modern or future/science-fiction setting.

In Final Fantasy VII they use guns and cell phones, watch television, drive cars, ride motorcyles, and fly helicopters. Architecture is all modern. Computers are routine outside the slums. In other words: it's a modern setting (at least, it was modern for 1997).

FFVI was more steampunk, which usually aims for an "early industrial revolution" setting, taking inspiration from the early 19th century moreso than modern or pre-industrial settings.

[Anonymous No.5210652]

>>5210343
>original post says ffiv has quality combat
>HURR STOP MOVING THE GOALPOSTS
Holy shit so what your mother should have done and abort yourself

[Anonymous No.5210912]

>>5210053
>a real american is the laughingstock of the rest of the world
Seems about right

[Anonymous No.5210921]

>>5208798
I have no idea why people still do this. IV quickly accepted that it wasnt II really quick and never refer to it as such anymore. III for whatever reason it's hard for them to let go of that fact

[Anonymous No.5210994]

>>5210652
>Press A to win
You have no brain.

Every Final Fantasy game allows you to grind to win. Pretending to ignore that then claiming combat is "Press A to win" is objectively retarded and always deserves to be labeled the brainlet-tier criticism it is. Furthermore, none of the Final Fantasy games have a ton of "depth" to the combat. They are all simple and straightforward. But you can have quality combat without having a massive amount of depth and you can compare the games to each other.

You are obviously too stupid to understand this. But for anyone else reading I'll summarize what makes IV's combat good compared to other games in the series.

1. Balanced abilities and content emphasizing meaningful tactical decisions in combat (no chain-casting Ultima for 40k damage bullshit).
2. Great use of the core feature of the system, the real-time "ATB" element.
3. Everything is accomplished with classic fantasy abilities with few gimmicky bolted-on features like Sabin's Blitz.
4. A great variety of different boss encounters, with phase changes, counter-attacks, and varied enemy counts without being overly gimmicky like Wrexsoul from FF6.

The real-time element of the ATB combat system rewards decisiveness, you are punished for hesitation without really needing to be blindingly fast at menuing. Many of the most powerful abilities come with tradeoffs. Beserk makes the character uncontrollable. Wall blocks your white magic spells and has limited duration. Blink doesn't stop magic attacks. All these abilities are very useful, but the drawbacks mean you always have to think about when and how you use them. Even one of the simplest characters, Kain, has a decision to make about whether to attack or jump.

[Anonymous No.5211018]

>>5208560

It was the peak 2d FF. The job system is fun, the story is quite simple and never exaggerated and confusing as in FFVI.
The fixed classes system have always annoyed me, and FFV made a great job in offering you many interesting classes/jobs, and you never really have the feeling that "this class is useless".

[Anonymous No.5211306]

>>5208560
V = best gameplay and battle mechanics
VI = best story, characters, and smoothest (yet easy as fuck) battle experience.
I can never really choose between the two because of it.

[Anonymous No.5211349]

>>5211306
>VI = best story, characters
The exact same as IV.

Which game am I describing?

The game begins with our protagonist as a soldier for an evil kingdom, attacking an innocent village. Later the protagonist breaks away from the evil kingdom, discovers their half-human magical heritage and joins a resistance group. The leader of the kingdom isn't the actual threat to the party though, it's his second in command, a powerful mage. Together with their party, including twins, a ninja, an orphan with weird powers, a dragoon and others, they don't act fast enough to stop the major calamity they're attempting to prevent, but on their airship named "Falcon" still destroy the evil in the end and bring peace back to the world. Also, the main villain fights one of the major ancillary villains, absorbs several high-end black magic spells and easily defeats them.

[Anonymous No.5211418]

>>5211349
>Heroes form/join a resistance against an evil empire
See Final Fantasy 2, square recycled themes all the time, i'm not allowed to like the finer specifics of a certain one over the others?

[Anonymous No.5211614]

>>5211418
FF2 doesn't start with them working for the evil Empire before joining the Resistance though. And 4 and 6 have virtually identical plots and character tropes. That paragraph doesn't describe any other Final Fantasy game, but it perfectly described both 4 and 6.

[Anonymous No.5213308]

>>5211349
>hey look at me I can abstract away important details until two stories appear the same
The Godfather and Moana are both a Hero's Journey. They're basically the same story!

[Anonymous No.5213315]

>>5210994
Friend. I love IV. Love it to death. Been playing the Free Enterprise randomizer a bit lately too. Love it.
But I hate to say, it really is press A to win in this game.
There are a handful of things I do, and that's it.
Berserk/haste breaks the game. Rosa outside of casting haste, just spams cure 4.
Rydia is the bahamut/regular nuke factory (depending on how fast you want your dmg and single or multi target) and the rest are just mash A.

The strength of IV comes from it's overarching story. Not the combat.
>Personally I always like the fixed classes though. Allows for better story telling/lore building.

[Anonymous No.5213318]

>>5213308
>half dozen exact plot points get pointed out
>asspained FF6fag gropes with general themes in movies to strawman

[Anonymous No.5214035]

>>5208560
No that would be 6. 5 is a wacky experiment that failed because it's nothing but a grinding simulator.

[Anonymous No.5214104]

>>5213318
>asspained ff4 fag can't let go of his first FF even though its a pile of ass.

[Anonymous No.5214176]

>>5213315
>Been playing the Free Enterprise randomizer a bit lately too. Love it.
You're clearly not trying hard enough if you haven't done things like leave everyone but Cecil at critical health so his auto-cover keeps everyone alive (works especially well with blink).
You clearly haven't played many seeds if you've never had Rosa be your best damage dealer with a Bow&Arrow.
Or if you've never beaten Zeromus using reflect strats. Hell even Berserk Strats require both execution and decision-making (unless you're overpowered) because Zeromus's script includes a dispel meaning you have to recast. Often you'll have to decide between casting Berserk or casting Cure 4, depending on how much time you think you have before the next Big Bang.

Even in vanilla you beat Asura by blinking your party then casting wall on her.

[Anonymous No.5214183]

>>5213318
The characters are totally different dumb fuck. There are tons of different details and many of the things you claim are "the same" are simply fucking wrong. I like IV more than VI anyway but you need to stop sucking so many cocks.

[Anonymous No.5214184]

>>5209215
Spoken like a zoomer who reads Wikipdia and HG101 articles.

[Anonymous No.5214365]

>>5209286
>implying it is
It's fascinating how final fantasy fans are often dumb, but its critics are almost always dumber.

[Anonymous No.5214605]

>>5211349
>I don't know how archetypes work
the post

[Anonymous No.5214636]

Yes, yes it is.

[Anonymous No.5214793]

>>5214176
I mention nothing of the pants on head retardation that Free Enterprise offers. Was merely talking about the stock game, and how I love even Full Retard™ versions of the game.

And wall to Asura is the standard. Blind was never needed. Waste of a turn that could be spend casting haste or reapplying the reflect when it goes down.
For Zeromus, just solid spam Cure 4/Bahamut/A. Watch Edge die. lol. gg shorter or longer depending on if your level is 50 or closer to 99.

>To any others reading, Free Enterprise spices the game up considerably. Facing Wyvern in the bar with only kid Rydia (thank god I had the baham summon) and Yang was bad enough... if Golbez didn't follow it.

[Anonymous No.5214810]

>>5208560
Yes.

[Anonymous No.5215072]

>>5214793
You're just proving you're not very good at the game. Bahamut is not the best spell to use against Zeromus as it provokes a counter-attack.

[Anonymous No.5215473]

>>5208560
6

[Anonymous No.5215479]

>>5210912
not my fault everyone elses saying it wrong

[Anonymous No.5215482]

>>5214184
I like HG101.

[Anonymous No.5215536]

>>5215072
Doesn't matter. The game is so piss easy I've never had to do anything but the above to beat him. Ever. That's my point.

[Anonymous No.5215538]

>>5208714
No one wants to discuss anime with you.

[Anonymous No.5216564]

>>5214183
>>5214605

Is Cloud the mixed race child of humanity and an Eldritch race? What about Squall? Bartz? Zidane? Anyone?

No, just Terra. Just Cecil.

Does Bartz start the game sacking an innocent city for an evil empire? No? What about Vaan? Firion? Tidus?

No, just Terra. And Cecil.

Did Sephiroth's second in command evil Mage henchman turn out to be the real villain? No? What about Kuja? Emperor Mateus? Ex-Death?

No, just Emperor Gestahl. And King of Baron.

This continues on and on. You lot act like there aren't a TON of unique similarities that exist only between these two titles in a series that has a lot of common themes to begin with.

[Anonymous No.5216669]

>>5208685
FFVIII is for heterosexual men of discerning and distinguished taste.

[Anonymous No.5216673]

>>5208560
I hated Job Class crap until Tactics. Went back later to try again and its ok but no FF6 and personally i think its a pale shadow of FF4.

[Anonymous No.5216969]

>>5216564
>I still don't know how archetypes work
the post

>Is Cloud the mixed race child of humanity and an Eldritch race?
One is the mongrel of a magical being and the other is the mongrel of an alien: two different things. And Terra and Cecil had completely different character arcs, with Terra not really developing past learning to control her power and care about a bunch of orphans, while Cecil goes on an entire redemption quest and single-handedly takes the fight to the enemy, succeeding where everyone else fails

>Does Bartz start the game sacking an innocent city for an evil empire
One was enslaved and forced to fight against her will, the other was morally conflicted about his decision and what eventually lead to him rebelling against his kingdom (which was not even an 'empire') with two completely different resolutions (the Gestahlian Empire collapsing utterly while Cecil assumes the throne of Baron)

>No, just Emperor Gestahl. And King of Baron.
You don't even get the details right: Golbez was the brainwashed second in command to Zemus, who snaps out of it the moment he is exposed to another Lunarian. Golbez is rightfully considered among the finest villains in Final Fantasy because he arrives early (the King of Baron was largely a bit player) and he has a huge, Darth Vader-esque influence on the actions of the heroes, but in the end redeems himself. Kefka was the guy clawing his way to the top and eventually deposes his master, rather than outright try to stop him. And Kefka wasn't Terra's long-lost brother, and she had no compunction about killing him in the end.

>You lot act like there aren't a TON of unique similarities
And you act like there aren't a TON of differences which makes the two stories different enough to be totally distinct from one another. You might have had a case if Terra went on a quest to become a paladin, finds out that Kefka was her long-lost brother, and in the end becomes the new ruler of the Empire

[Anonymous No.5217005]

>>5215536
>The game is so piss easy
Every Final Fantasy game is easy if you level enough. V and VI are even worse in this regard.

If you aren't retarded you can understand the game just by paying attention and experimenting. If you are retarded, you might need a self-imposed challenge to force you to see the mechanics that are there.

>For Zeromus, just solid spam Cure 4/Bahamut/A. Watch Edge die. lol. gg shorter or longer depending on if your level is 50 or closer to 99.
Around level 50, Zeromus's Big Bang AoE will one-shot Rydia more often than not, unless you're nerfing it, which you aren't if you're spamming Bahamut/Cure4.

Sure, somewhere between level 55 and 60, the mindless attack + heal strategy becomes viable. Below 45 or so, Zeromus is probably unbeatable most of the time. But, not coincidentally, the game is balanced so that you should be between 45 and 55 when you get to the final battle

[Anonymous No.5217206]

>>5216564
>No, just Emperor Gestahl. And King of Baron.
Exactly, these are completely different characters. Apart from being leaders of an antagonistic kingdom, they share almost nothing in common. In fact Golbez is never shown subordinate to the King, the player just hears a rumor that Golbez took Cecil's place. When in fact, the King was an imposter subordinate to Golbez all along.

Sure, you may have identified enough similarities to speculate that Sakaguchi started from the same rough outline for both games. But the end result is so different that it can in no way be considered a criticism against the game or even the creative process itself.

[Anonymous No.5218219]

>>5216969
>>5217206
>I refuse to acknowledge the gross sweeping similarities, but I DEMAND you acknowledge the minor ways in which they're different!

[Anonymous No.5218249]

>>5218219
so you're just a retard who doesn't understand the first thing about storytelling. Ok then.

[Anonymous No.5218556]

>>5210912
Europe’s first final fantasy was mystic quest, so I don’t think they can really say anything.

[Anonymous No.5218569]

>>5216669
8 is fujobait to the highest degree

[Anonymous No.5218580]

>>5218569
What does fujobait mean? What is fujo? Sounds extremely gay and weeb.

[Anonymous No.5218757]

>>5218580
yeah I think it means pretty boy characters aimed at a girl audience

[Anonymous No.5218776]

>>5218580
Fujoshi is the female equivalent of an otaku. They're usually into gay porn involving soiboys, of which there are many in FF8.

[Anonymous No.5218946]

>>5210994

From a pure game design standpoint, IV was the tightest experience and I agree with the stuff you said.

I think it goes something like
IV, V, I, IX, VII, III, VIII, II

[Anonymous No.5218952]

>>5218776
You're just jealous of their beauty.

[Anonymous No.5218965]

>>5217005
>Zeromus's Big Bang AoE will one-shot Rydia more often than not
This. It can also do the same to Edge and splitting your healing between 4 or 5 targets will get everyone killed so the best strategy is to leave them both dead and let Cecil and Kain grind him down.

[Anonymous No.5219045]

>>5208560
if youre a shitty commy at heart and in life yea. otherwise its the most hellbound final fantasy, you actual fuck faggot.

[Anonymous No.5220306]

>>5208560
Yes. It hits a really good sweet spot of being engaging with good characters/interactions, but still being fun and lighthearted enough to avoid that melodramatic bullshit of later FF games. It's just a fun game overall.

[Anonymous No.5220316]

4-8 is great.
inb4 9 fanboys. game is slow and simple and boring, no amount of charm can fix the awful battle system, poor character building system, and awful load times.