What did this game understand that modern fighting games can't seem to grasp? [spoiler]Besides coming out in an era before DLC was possible.[/spoiler]

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Anonymous Mon Dec 3 22:42:16 2018 No.5197487 [Reply] [Original]

What did this game understand that modern fighting games can't seem to grasp?

Besides coming out in an era before DLC was possible.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 3 22:44:18 2018 No.5197489 This shit aint retro but color edit is based.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 3 22:47:59 2018 No.5197496 >>5197489 >4 years later and you still refuse to read the sticky

Anonymous Mon Dec 3 22:49:58 2018 No.5197502

There's nothing particularly special about it, balance-wise, it's just a love letter to both companies at a time when fighting games suffered a final death and we went into the dark ages (Yes SNKP and ASW released games during this period but almost no one seemed to care.) It's just full of neat touches like in the screen there you have them trading artists; Shinkiro's art shows for the Capcom characters while Nishimura's art shows for the SNK characters, while your selected portraits pick the artist based off your Groove.

Anonymous Mon Dec 3 23:11:12 2018 No.5197529

>>5197487
That your options are supposed to be good and fun to use. Basically every modern fighter nerfs universal defensive options into the ground, and removes things from characters that the developers don't see as part of their vision for the game. CVS2 actually did fall prey to this with EO, but thankfully we don't have to play that version of the game.

As much as CVS2 is my favorite Capcom fighter, I would say Guilty Gear XX as a series did a better job of embracing what made the game good and unique.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 3 23:13:50 2018 No.5197534 SNK vs Capcom was actually a better game with more love put into it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 3 23:19:35 2018 No.5197536 DLC, paid online, locked content and season passes ruined this genre

Anonymous Mon Dec 3 23:20:42 2018 No.5197538

>>5197534
Maybe from an aesthetic perspective, though I'd disagree with that as well. Mechanically, CVS2 is leaps and bounds ahead of CVS. Standardizing the game to six buttons was a good decision that allowed the characters to work better in every groove.The character designs are far more fleshed out, and there's more of them. The grooves add much more meaningful strategic variety. Last but not least, Roll Cancel accidentally created a very unique and good aspect to playing defense in 2D fighters.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 3 23:26:13 2018 No.5197547 >>5197534 lolno

Anonymous Mon Dec 3 23:36:22 2018 No.5197557

>>5197547
Lolyes. What SNK did with their rendition of Capcom characters sprites was way more creative (look at Dhalsim or Guile), it actually had character endings, plus it was not just mostly Street Fighter vs KOF and brought in a more diverse roster from both companies franchises. Also being a 240p game its art holds up better years later with scanlines while the Capcom titles were ugly 480i crap with low-polygonal backgrounds.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 3 23:39:05 2018 No.5197568 >>5197557 Oh, I misread your original post. You mean that SVC Chaos, one of the worst fighting games ever made, is better than CVS2. Let me laugh even harder.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 3 23:46:02 2018 No.5197582 File: 186 KB, 800x600, 3ACB01D2-7EBA-48FD-81BF-43B8FD6DFBBA.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5197568 Don’t be upset that SNK draws Capcom better than Capcom

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 3 23:48:39 2018 No.5197585 >>5197557 SvC Chaos had a lot of cool presentation gimmicks and much as I loved the pre-fight dialogue and unique character endings, CvS2 was a way better game to play.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 4 00:02:24 2018 No.5197604 >>5197582 The original sprites Capcom made for CVS look fantastic for the most part. Look at Maki or Ryu.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 4 00:02:54 2018 No.5197606 >>5197582 M. Bison looks like crap in SvC.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 4 00:25:58 2018 No.5197624 >>5197604 Yes but like 3/4s of the Capcom cast are still Alpha 1/2 era sprites. I will definitely say SvC Chaos is much more visually consistent, but holy hell does it play like garbage

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 4 00:35:53 2018 No.5197630 >>5197487 roll cancels suck and ruin the game.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 4 00:52:04 2018 No.5197651 >>5197630 Scrubby sense is tingling.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 4 04:44:12 2018 No.5197861 >>5197487 Shit balance Shit roster Boring gameplay Awful presentation Bugged to shit CvS2 is not a very good fighting game

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 4 06:54:02 2018 No.5197970 >>5197861 Do you just say things and see who takes the bait?

Anonymous Tue Dec 4 09:47:27 2018 No.5198143
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this game pisses me off so bad. it looks like the perfect fighter for me but all i have is the dc version and the controls are so bad its unplayable

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 4 09:51:39 2018 No.5198147 >>5198143 Should get a Total Control 3.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 4 13:06:58 2018 No.5198396 >>5198143 >controls are so bad its unplayable Seems to be a theme with everything on DC.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 4 13:09:27 2018 No.5198402 >>5198143 >>5198396 The problem is not the controls, it's the controller. Buy a cheap Xbox 360 pad and emulate it on PC.

Anonymous Tue Dec 4 15:25:49 2018 No.5198591

>>5197624
SvC is just fun as hell to play though, love the blocking sound effects, and the re-imagine Shoto's whirlwind kick with the fast twirl and wind effects. Feels more like an actual kung-fu movie and very old-school like how Street Fighter 2 and Fatal Fury 1 was.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 4 15:50:31 2018 No.5198619 >>5197624 And don't forget Morrigan still stuck in her garish original sprite from 1994. Not even the ones ripped from Alpha look as badly-placed.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 4 15:52:07 2018 No.5198624 >>5198619 Nah, Sagat with his 3 frame punches looks worse.

Anonymous Tue Dec 4 16:00:36 2018 No.5198641
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Capcom side is amazing (Eagle? Maki? Rolento? Kyosuke? great) but the SNK side was just not really given as much love. Gameplay is all there but there just isn't as much appreciation for the competition. Needs more Mars People too.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 4 17:25:32 2018 No.5198834 >>5197502 >it's just a love letter to both companies >both companies Is that why Capcom knowingly made all the SNK character suck by giving them weaker strong punches than Capcom characters?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 4 17:48:18 2018 No.5198864 >>5197582 Its roster is too shoto heavy and its a mediocre game, but I do like its Capcom sprites and shoto heavy or not I think it has the less safe roster than CvS2 which is also neat. >>5197861 >fighting games >balance Lmao

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 4 17:59:19 2018 No.5198894 Eh I just noticed there's nothing to talk about in fighting games besides aesthetics. >remember fighting game? fighting game was good. >yeah it was good. >yes. >right.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 4 18:31:53 2018 No.5198963 >>5198591 Reverting everyone to their SF2 look/feel was a neat touch

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 4 18:42:12 2018 No.5198985 >>5198894 That's because you don't play them. 2deep4u I guess?

Anonymous Tue Dec 4 23:32:24 2018 No.5199491

>>5198985
You're only half wrong, I only play against the CPU because I'm not in high school anymore, there's no local community where I live and there's no online for DC games. But how can we make this thread about gameplay, ask what teams of characters people use?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 4 23:45:07 2018 No.5199507 We could netplay the gcn version

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 00:07:42 2018 No.5199536 >>5197970 Everything he said is 100% accurate and you can't even refute it. Hell i bet you dont even play the game.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 00:08:44 2018 No.5199537 >>5199507 What region are you ill play with you if you are close enough

Anonymous Wed Dec 5 00:26:22 2018 No.5199554
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Can somebody, anybody, explain to me..WHY THE FUCK C-GROOVE HAS ROLLING?!
Rolling is not a standard fucking feature in most capcom games. It is however, a standard feature in most snk games. So why the fuck does c groove get to roll while s groove gets shitty fuking dodges?!
And that tier list was bullshit. I'm glad they haven't made a svc3, because capcom would find a way to fuck that up too.

Anonymous Wed Dec 5 00:29:43 2018 No.5199560

>>5199554
Custom combos are fucked in general but yeah I have no clue why Capcom grooves get rolling. Literally the only Capcom game I remember doing that is Jojo. I'd love to see a new crossover game regardless, especially with more Capcom and SNK characters from the last decade/half. However I want to see it but expect little. Recent Capcom fighting games have been all shite and KOF XIV was okay for a few minutes at best.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 00:44:34 2018 No.5199585 >>5199554 Lol, both C and S are the worst groves on purpose man. They're traps for basic and lazy players.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 01:08:14 2018 No.5199628 >>5197487 Because back then games where made to be bought and then played with your friends and not some asshole attempt at being part of a competitive online scene with complete random strangers and esports wanking.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 01:08:25 2018 No.5199629 >>5199585 >C >worst grove

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 01:14:03 2018 No.5199639 >>5199628 You clueless retarded casual

Anonymous Wed Dec 5 01:16:49 2018 No.5199648

>>5199639
Casuals make the bulk of the consumer base. It would be a stupid business decision to not listen to them, if you ignore all the casuals out you get something like Virtua Fighter 3, technically flawless but with no new generation of players to pick it up and pass the baton the series ended up dying.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 01:18:17 2018 No.5199652 >>5199648 >Virtua Fighter 3 >technically flawless Just stop fucking posting its embarrassing

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 01:22:11 2018 No.5199660 >>5199652 What's the matter you don't like stages with elevation differences? Or is the game too fast for your scrubby hands?

Anonymous Wed Dec 5 01:28:51 2018 No.5199672

>>5199660
VF3 is a busted broken pile of shit, the game is bugged to shit, has awful hitboxes and the uneven ground is a mess that compounds both of those problems, and the less said about the abysmal ports the better. the game was a giant mistake and even Sega knows that.

Also LOL at calling VF3 fast in a CvS2 thread of all places, like do you even actually play fighting games?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 01:31:28 2018 No.5199674 >>5199672 Nice deflection. But the point still stands, casuals make up the bulk of the profits it would be stupid not to listen to them. Can you follow my point?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 01:33:29 2018 No.5199678 >>5199674 >Ask question >Literally get an answer to it >HURRRR DEFLECTION Are you retarded?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 01:35:04 2018 No.5199682 >>5199678 The point >>>>> your head Woosh

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 01:38:36 2018 No.5199686 File: 1.29 MB, 320x395, 1512660683621.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5199672 >no one gives a shit about VF >even if they make vf6 i'll just get swept by vets >tekken is only getting bigger >i fucking hate tekken sigh...

Anonymous Wed Dec 5 02:51:57 2018 No.5199756

I played the shit outta this and it was a fun game with good music and omegal rugal and shin akuma were great additions.

I dunno what to say, I could still play this game if I had it. 2D fighting games are my jam and the SNK / Capcom days are what I love. I think it's pointless to argue about what is or isn't the greatest and simply enjoy the fact that when this was fresh you were there and apart of the 2d fighting game world which is naught but a forgotten ruin now without true aesthetic. Even the GG franchise which was great completely missed the true SNK / Capcom aesthetic.

Games in general are shit now and no one gives a shit about consoles or arcades anymore except 30+ dudes so there's no reason to be snobs about it just give a nod and a smile

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 03:25:59 2018 No.5199789 >>5199756 >no one gives a shit about consoles Rightly so

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 05:11:12 2018 No.5199929 >>5197582 >muh sprites CVS2 is better in every single way and this is coming from a casual who thought SVC was actually okay.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 05:39:37 2018 No.5199947 >>5197630 roll cancels own and saved the game

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 07:01:35 2018 No.5200032 >>5197534 hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr me say different thing for sake of being different

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 07:03:43 2018 No.5200036 >>5197970 balance part is true, all you see in high level play are sagat, blanka, sakura, claw and dictator

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 10:47:15 2018 No.5200295 >>5199947 No, roll cancels literally killed the game.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 10:51:11 2018 No.5200307 >>5199947 >This glitch that really just helps solidify the awful balance? >saved the game

Anonymous Wed Dec 5 11:15:16 2018 No.5200332

Where is this meme of awful balance coming from? Almost the entire cast is viable in at least one groove. The only characters that are borderline useless are Kyosuke and Dan.

In b4

>SNK characters suck lel

K Geese was considered top tier in Japan for many years. Not to mention K Rock, Kyo, Hibiki, Yamazaki, etc. N Iori, Vice, Terry, etc. are all viable as well. Look up OTK and Buktooth on YouTube.

Roll cancels are great, too. They only work well in this game because ironically enough the built in defensive options are actually better. RC can be baited with a little patience and parrying/just defending.

Is /vr/ so fighting game illiterate that they can't see how good this game is? Sure, it isn't perfect, but it's still the best 2D fighter Capcom's ever made.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 11:16:31 2018 No.5200336 >>5200332 >Almost the entire cast is viable in at least one groove. Yeah, no this is BS i like the game but only a small fraction of the cast is viable and the game has very defined tiers.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 11:17:47 2018 No.5200338 >>5200332 >best 2D fighter Capcom's ever made. This is bait

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 11:18:14 2018 No.5200339 >>5200332 90% of teams are a combination of or have at least 2 of >Sakura >Blanka >Sagat >Dictator And they all run A-Groove, you're not fooling anybody. There's a reason roll canceling was removed and A-Groove was nerfed in the Gamecube port.

Anonymous Wed Dec 5 11:23:18 2018 No.5200349

>>5200336
Defined tiers exist in every game, CVS2 just so happens to be more balanced than basically any other Capcom fighter.

https://youtu.be/scn8Xesuht4

https://youtu.be/zc2R-U--lm8

https://youtu.be/NKEvbYwtC1k

https://youtu.be/WDx648Nnb60

https://youtu.be/dOkWrLKTeB0

https://youtu.be/K6wcMAFKw-s

You can continue to fall for memes made by people that don't know any better, or you can educate yourself.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 11:24:01 2018 No.5200350 >>5200349 >CVS2 just so happens to be more balanced than basically any other Capcom fighter. Not even close

Anonymous Wed Dec 5 11:31:31 2018 No.5200357

>>5200339
I just linked six videos of K and N groove winning against A and C groove.

Capcom would patch anything that wasn't intentional back then, they removed Urien's Aegis unblockable in 3S when they released the updated version. Do you think that was a good decision, too?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 11:36:29 2018 No.5200372 >>5200357 >These small handfull of cherry picked casual matches from over 2 decades ago proves the game is balanced. Meanwhile in reality https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH6dXHR6bac

Anonymous Wed Dec 5 11:38:17 2018 No.5200381

>>5200350
Oh yeah? Let's go over some of them.

Super Turbo: not bad for the time but some matchups are truly horrid, especially when you factor in O Sagat.

Alpha 2: big disparity between low and mid tier, with high tiers basically being better versions of low tiers.

Alpha 3: lol

Third Strike: everyone has a bad matchup against Chun Li. Yun, Ken and Makoto can shit on most of the cast with relative ease. Q exists.

VSAV: similar to ST in that the game is mostly well balanced but the top tiers can make the game ugly.

Compare that to CVS2 where again, basically every character is at least usable in one groove. Not great, but usable. The way they designed the hitboxes in the game ensured that most characters had at least one or two good pokes, plus the grooves give you some options in terms of confirms, pressure and defensive options. This was and still is a fighting game player's fighting game.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 11:39:37 2018 No.5200383 >>5200381 3S, ST, A3 and especially Vsav are significantly more balanced than CvS2

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 11:41:37 2018 No.5200386 >>5200381 >basically every character is at least usable in one groove Who the fuck are you trying to kid?

Anonymous Wed Dec 5 11:41:54 2018 No.5200387

>>5200372
I lived in Japan from 2013 to just a few months ago. Most of these guys don't play the game regularly if at all outside of tournaments like these. The only arcade in Tokyo that has a scene to speak of is GameSpot Versus.

The videos I linked are from when the game was at its competitive peak and is the best representation of the game. And there's more where that came from.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 11:43:01 2018 No.5200389 >>5200387 >the best representation of the game is casual matches from when it was first released Stop

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 11:46:25 2018 No.5200398 >>5200389 Are you retarded? Half of those are from Evo years after the game released.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 11:56:27 2018 No.5200417 Such a balanced game guys! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZKhThHhi9c

Anonymous Wed Dec 5 12:03:29 2018 No.5200423

>>5200417
That guy got outplayed hard after the first round, where he played mostly well until he decided to jump vs Dictator waking up with full meter. He got scared with Chang after his Choi move got stuffed once and blew that round. He played sloppy with Guile and got punished accordingly. I fail to see what is so wrong about any of this, besides maybe getting guard crush a little too soon. Admittedly that is a problem I have with the game, but it came out in 2001 for fuck's sake. I'll still take this over basically any low vs high tier matchup in any other Capcom game before it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 15:54:13 2018 No.5200773 >>5197487 It was one of the final Yoshiki Okamoto/noritake Funamizu produced games. Thats why. Crapcom just needs to fire Ono and get their old fighting game producers back. Easy fix.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 15:56:16 2018 No.5200780 >>5197487 (OP) It was one of the final Yoshiki Okamoto/noritaka Funamizu produced games. Thats why. Crapcom just needs to fire Ono and get their old fighting game producers back. Easy fix.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 20:47:50 2018 No.5201231 >>5200339 >>Dictator does being brazilian come with shit opinions by default

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 20:55:09 2018 No.5201246 >>5201231 Are you retarded?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 21:14:29 2018 No.5201265 >>5200780 Pretty sure Ono is no longer in charge

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 17:12:49 2018 No.5202745 >>5199537 West Coast, I think it should be done. We keep having mild interest in these consistent threads.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 17:16:15 2018 No.5202750 >>5201265 heh too little to late. its not like they could get Akira Nishitani either.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 17:23:22 2018 No.5202759 >>5197487 I wish it was actually Capcom vs SNK instead of Street Fighter vs King of Fighters guest starring a couple of other guys

Anonymous Thu Dec 6 17:25:03 2018 No.5202760

>>5202759
Why, though? The whole point was two major fighting game companies coming together to combine their franchises. Injecting it with Mega Man or Strider or Metal Slug wouldn't really feel within the spirit of what people were expecting when they hear "Capcom vs. SNK".

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 17:27:43 2018 No.5202765 File: 78 KB, 1280x720, 1534887371624.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5197487 why do people love this game so much? it's fucking boring especially when players like justin wong is playing and take an hour to finish a set.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 17:35:16 2018 No.5202772 >>5197487 Its hard to explain. People are worse the games are fine.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 18:23:40 2018 No.5202839 >>5197557 you can run the game in 480p though on dreamcast. i dont even think naomi has a fucking interlaced mode. are you a fag?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 19:40:29 2018 No.5203000 >>5202765 Nostalgia

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 19:53:56 2018 No.5203024 >>5202765 Because it's actually fun to play yourself.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 20:32:19 2018 No.5203076 >>5202760 >>5202760 that's retarded, and its a shame we only ever got these and SVC chaos thanks ironically to Aruze, otherwise IT WOULD NEVER HAD HAPPENED

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 22:55:37 2018 No.5203284 >>5202765 it's accessible to a wide range of player skill levels and the sound design is too stupid and fun to take it very seriously when you lose you know, for most people

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 06:21:19 2018 No.5203673 >>5199491 Discussing matchups would be a good start.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 06:58:50 2018 No.5203693 >>5197534 I'll give you it has a more consistent sprite work, but lolno.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 18:54:05 2018 No.5204696 >>5202765 Serious response here, KOF needs high skill, perfect timing of combos and quick thinking.

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