/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.5194387]

Video games can never be art.

[Anonymous No.5194391]

>>5194387
Can't argue with the truth.

[Anonymous No.5194392]

>>5194387
Games > Art
also sage

[Anonymous No.5194396]

>>5194387
If you want to try making your video game “art” feel free to manipulate the graphics and music to your liking. Just don’t start imposing unakippable cutscenes on me.

[Anonymous No.5194404]

>>5194387
>Ebert is dead for 5 years
>Morons still mad about his half-hearted comment made 25 years ago
Daily reminder he literally forgot about the whole thing before 90s even ended, but you are still working yourselves over it.

[Anonymous No.5194409]

I know, Roger. Film on the other hand can be and often is.

[Anonymous No.5194412]

>>5194404
>25 years ago
He said it in 2010.

[Anonymous No.5194415]

>>5194412
He was right. You're playing with toys. That's fine, I guess, but it's certainly not art.

[Anonymous No.5194417]

The gameplay is the art of videogames.

[Anonymous No.5194419]

>>5194412
No anon, he said that in the tail end of the 90s. Early '98, to be more precise.
And THEN someone dig that out in the end of '09, starting the whole "games will never be art
meme featuring Ebert. Who was completely confused when people suddenly started asking him about the issue, because he had no idea what they are even referring to.

[Anonymous No.5194427]

What's with all these shitty zero substance /v/ threads?

[Anonymous No.5194430]

>>5194415
What toy had your favorite soundtrack?

[Anonymous No.5194434]

>>5194387
He's right and honestly don't see the reason why so many people get butthurt over this.

[Anonymous No.5194436]

>>5194415
Games are a more important part of the human experience than art.
At it's best, Art is a profound expression of ideas or feelings. Meanwhile games are practice for real life which are passed down through generations (hence why adults play them as well as children).

[Anonymous No.5194440]

>>5194430
Probably the teletubby I had as a kid. You'd push the stomach and it talked.

[Anonymous No.5194442]

>>5194427
It's the weekend, the kiddies are bored and wanting their (You)s.

[Anonymous No.5194443]

>>5194412
In 2010 he quite literally was unable to speak. Throat cancer. Which was in the same time killing him, so he had bigger concerns than something completely out of his field

>>5194430
Not him, but are you for real?
>Video games have soundtrack
>Which means music
>And music is considered art
>Thus, video games are art, because one of their ingredients is art in general
It's like a logic stream of a 9 yo. And you need to be at least twice of that to even post here.

[Anonymous No.5194445]

>>5194415
Jokes on you toys are art too you stupid fuck

[Anonymous No.5194446]

>>5194443
Videogames include art.
As a complete package, videogames supercede art.

[Anonymous No.5194448]

>>5194427
>>5194442
You should see how bad it is today with /tg/. Actual users either left to play, are playing or are coming home after game. So the entire board is taken over by bored robots and poltards

[Anonymous No.5194450]

>>5194443
>In 2010 he quite literally was unable to speak
Okay yes he didn't literally say it. He wrote it in his blog.

[Anonymous No.5194451]

>>5194446

[Anonymous No.5194453]

>>5194436
>>5194446
Epic falseflagging, bro. I totally believe you're a gamer and not some knob saying that stupidest possible things.

[Anonymous No.5194454]

>>5194450
Not sure if this is bait, desperation or stupidity.
So I guess... all three?

[Anonymous No.5194456]

>>5194451
Tits even nice ones are not an argument.

[Anonymous No.5194457]

>>5194409
There had to have been art snobs back in the 20s saying the exact same thing about film, that it wasn't art and never will be.

[Anonymous No.5194459]

>>5194453
No you just are brainwashed by artfags and have no real life experience. If you did, you'd know that even though both games and art are important to civilization, games are usually more important than art.

[Anonymous No.5194460]

>>5194457
>film, that it wasn't art and never will be
And then American film industry did its very best to prove them right.

Fortunately, there are other countries and places on this planet.

[Anonymous No.5194461]

>>5194457
Art is a primarily visual medium and in order to elicit a certain emotion from the player control MUST be taken away in at least some form to focus on a specific scene, thing, or event. This is the antithesis of what video games should be.

[Anonymous No.5194462]

>>5194460
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9y9lSMLK2U

[Anonymous No.5194464]

>>5194459
Social games with REAL PEOPLE might be all that, but videogames by yourself are definitely not.

[Anonymous No.5194470]

Art is supposed to make you feel something. Video games make you feel nothing.

[Anonymous No.5194476]

>>5194427
We can argue between Castlevania IV and Rondo of Blood for the 800th time if you prefer.

[Anonymous No.5194479]

>>5194461
>Art is a primarily visual medium

[Anonymous No.5194480]

>>5194464

[Anonymous No.5194481]

>>5194387
>Why aren't gamers content to play their games and simply enjoy themselves? They have my blessing, not that they care. Do they require validation? In defending their gaming against parents, spouses, children, partners, co-workers or other critics, do they want to be able to look up from the screen and explain, "I'm studying a great form of art?" Then let them say it, if it makes them happy.

[Anonymous No.5194483]

>>5194476
As opposed to "arguing" over Ebert for the 80000th time?

[Anonymous No.5194489]

>>5194462
French make good comedies, thou.
Then you have to lobotomise the script and add fecal jokes for the American remake, so mutts can get their laugh too.

[Anonymous No.5194490]

Ebert wasn't even a good film critic.

[Anonymous No.5194491]

>>5194480
>Social game
>With people
>Posts solitaire
Are you even aware that's "single player only"?

[Anonymous No.5194492]

>>5194483
on /vr/? I seem to remember a thread like this occurring before exactly once.

[Anonymous No.5194495]

>>5194490
... why are we having this thread for the n-th time then? If he wasn't a good critic, and a film critic at that, why are we even discussing his opinion about video games? Could it be that he was still an extremely influencial critic with entire education and life spend on doing that shit for living, while your only good point in the week is trying to be dismissive so at least you won't feel so pathetic for 5 seconds?

[Anonymous No.5194502]

>>5194492
Sup, newfag. Got here by accident while heading to some other board?

[Anonymous No.5194503]

>>5194481
Topkek "gamers" btfo

[Anonymous No.5194508]

>>5194491
I'm saying people have been playing solo games for a long time, too.
People hung up on "art > games" are retards who clearly know nothing about the history of games or their role in the human experience. IF you think I'm falseflagging that just shows how woefully unprepared you are to even discuss the issue in basic terms.

[Anonymous No.5194510]

>>5194502
Prove me wrong then. Dig into warosu and find 5 previous Ebert threads.

[Anonymous No.5194521]

>>5194490
>t. wearing only shit-smeared underpants

[Anonymous No.5194528]

>>5194508
>Complains about retards
>Is retarded himself

[Anonymous No.5194532]

>>5194495
>... why are we having this thread for the n-th time then? If he wasn't a good critic, and a film critic at that, why are we even discussing his opinion about video games?
Because this thread is pure shitposting, you dumb shitposter.

[Anonymous No.5194543]

>>5194528
next gen argument