/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.5191060]

Just ran through both of these, which do you think is better? I think I'm leaning more toward 2

[Anonymous No.5191381]

2, by far.

[Anonymous No.5191418]

2 is a better game, but I really do prefer 1. I like the character designs and world more; it feels more light-hearted and fun. They're both very charming and enjoyable games, though, absolutely classics and pinnacles of the console, and both are worth playing.

[Anonymous No.5191494]

>>5191060
Gameplay of 2, story of 1.

I wish 2 would have lost the "explore" parts to be honest and just be more linear, like 1. It's mostly linear but sometimes you revisit areas and trigger semi random battles (you can avoid them if you don't step on certain tiles).

[Anonymous No.5191495]

>>5191060
best girl incoming

[Anonymous No.5191498]

>>5191494
It didn't have a fairly big map desu, and yeah while that happened, it was useful to me the first time earlier on for a bit of grinding, and then later on anytime it happened was hardly a hassle since I was much stronger than the enemies anyway, a quick slaughtering, hardly a nuisance during my playthrough

[Anonymous No.5191604]

>>5191060
Since you used the mega drive picture, is the pal version fine to play in 60hz or is it partially optimised? I don't want to buy the genesis version because of actiplaque.

[Anonymous No.5191624]

>>5191418
>it feels more light-hearted and fun.
That's a curious opinion, personally I think 1 is noticibly the darker of the two, in both story and visuals.

[Anonymous No.5191627]

>>5191604
It's been optimised. The music plays at the correct speed at 50hz and I believe the gameplay does too.

[Anonymous No.5191636]

2 for the most part. But 1 had that awesome laser cannon boss fight.

[Anonymous No.5191641]

>>5191636
>>5191636
Doesn't 2 have a laser fight as well? On a bridge?

[Anonymous No.5191648]

>>5191641
I don't recall a laser bridge fight in 2? There is one boss that comes to mind but thats a minor spoiler.

[Anonymous No.5191653]

>>5191641
No, there were the Prism Flowers that could shoot lasers along the entire map (and were used in a cutscene too) but they were not on a bridge.

[Anonymous No.5191656]

>>5191495
All 3 Master Monks are best girls.

[Anonymous No.5191686]

>>5191656
Master Monk Karna is pointless desu. Sarah works great as a Master Monk because of her stats and the lack of strong magic.

[Anonymous No.5191693]

>>5191060
two is objectively better, it is larger and feels more epic due to the exploration parts, has a couple of more creative battles, mithril weapons, arguably a bit of a more elaborate story

where the first part wins is in the atmosphere and art style department, i like the darker tones much more than the comic style

i love these games to death but my one complaint would be that they are too easy

[Anonymous No.5191757]

>>5191060
2 is objectively the better game
I liked 1's story/characters/etc more
both are masterpiece tier
also you should play shining in the darkness, since you're playing genesis titles

[Anonymous No.5191803]

>>5191757
>also you should play shining in the darkness, since you're playing genesis titles
Do tell

[Anonymous No.5192030]

>>5191803
shining force except it's a first person dungeon crawler, it's fucking good. takes place before shining force 1. doesnt get a sequel in similar style until shining: the holy ark
which is on the saturn.

[Anonymous No.5192173]

>>5191060
>Just ran through both of these, which do you think is better?
Finished sf1 earlier this year and currently in the middle(or near the endish?) Of sf2. Love both and sf2 definitely smoothed some things out but despite being inferior in some ways I find sf1 better so far.

>>5191636
>But 1 had that awesome laser cannon boss fight.
So far my favorite battle from either game. Also loved the circus tent(dat music) fight.

[Anonymous No.5192179]

>>5191060
I honestly can't say. I love both in their own ways

[Anonymous No.5192184]

>>5191060
2 is better overall, but the grittiness of 1 is better.

Don't forget about SFCD, SF Gaiden Final Conflict (translation patched) SF SOH on game gear. Also SF3 (with translation patches). You have a ways to go OP.

[Anonymous No.5192185]

Anyone got fanart of the cute boys from these games?

[Anonymous No.5192283]

I think sf1 is far better because sf2 is terrible. Seems like they prioritized quantity over quality in the second game as the battles were boring and uninspired even without considering the 'random' battles which are the worst filler ever. The second game also had awful writing (losing the charm of SF1) and the free exploration aspect was a detriment because the locations and characters were so forgettable. SF2 did nothing to fix the slowness and balance issues with the gameplay, either, and in fact I'd say it made the problems worse. SF2 is the low point of the series in my opinion.

[Anonymous No.5192447]

>>5192283
Yogurt > Kiwi

[Anonymous No.5192479]

>>5191060
1 is better balanced and more challenging, but 2 has superior music, production quality, and visuals.

[Anonymous No.5192483]

>>5192283
Camelot never gave a fuck about writing beyond the bare minimum. It's only a few steps above SaGa in how the story takes a back seat.

[Anonymous No.5192890]

>>5192030
Interesting, I'll check it out

[Anonymous No.5192902]

>>5192483
There's a bare minimum level of writing where you ignore it and it doesn't bother you, and then there's things like SF2 which are painful to experience.
And while I don't think SF3 is as great as other people say it is, there's clearly a substantial amount of story there so I don't think what you say is true.

[Anonymous No.5193149]

>>5191495
I’m sorry but I’ll take my young inexperienced but plucky elf fire mage any day

[Anonymous No.5193175]

>>5193149
Tao!

[Anonymous No.5193325]

>>5193149
Kazin was better in every way. However, I was so annoyed when I promoted him to Sorcerer and he got this awful drag queen costume.

[Anonymous No.5193340]

>not best girling one of the centaur girls

plebs

[Anonymous No.5193686]

>>5193340

[Anonymous No.5193691]

>>5191495
>>5191656
>>5193149
>>5193175
Fags, all of you.

[Anonymous No.5193857]

/vr/ I'm in a pickle... I started my game of shining force 2 and got to the chess board fight... But here's the thing, the difficulty's the ACTUAL hardest difficulty... And I don't think I enjoy it very much... What do I do? Do I toughen up and face the challenge or restart my game?

[Anonymous No.5193958]

>>5193857
I played it on normal mode, but the method I used to win was to stay to the side and bait as many enemies as I could out to take out as few as possible at a time before going straight for the king and ending it quick.

[Anonymous No.5194030]

>>5193857
The Chess Board is just a really difficult battle, the differences in difficulty aren't all that big a deal. Bait them out, and use the opportunity to level up.

[Anonymous No.5194054]

>>5191418
Sega CD one is best

[Anonymous No.5194631]

>>5193691
You're the one best girling a half horse.

Best girl right here. Shame you get her so late in the game.

[Anonymous No.5194717]

Two might be better on some technical levels, but one is the more refined all-around experience in my book.

[Anonymous No.5194728]

>>5193857
if you're playing on OUCH! then IIRC the enemies won't break formation until the exact moment someone comes into range and they can move first, so you have to bait them by moving into the range of only specific enemies and drawing them out one or two at a time without putting your main force at risk of a full onslaught.

[Anonymous No.5194754]

>>5193857
The chess board is the most difficult battle of the game. You just don't have good ways to deal with everything that fight has there. "Grind" it going for the King to win. The next fight will show you that you are in a "that time" of the game.

>>5194631
And that all prepromotes on a "secret class" are designed to be the worst member you can have on that class.

[Anonymous No.5195539]

>>5191060
I enjoyed 1 more than 2. Second game had better mechanics, but I couldn't get into it like I did with 1. First game just had a better story and characters.

[Anonymous No.5195696]

>>5193958
>>5194030
>>5194728
>>5194754
ok I got past the chess fight. I'll keep going and be smart with my tactics thank you.

[Anonymous No.5195732]

While I enjoy both, I have to say 1 is better in every way sans the soundtrack. 2 drags on. Stats on levels aren't nearly random enough and lack the spikes 1 has, and as a result characters a really interchangeable. Few really standout in the ass kicking department. Also it has far to many random/pointless battles.

[Anonymous No.5195862]

>>5195732
This.

Twp is not a bad game, it's just not as tight of an experience. Part one also has exceptional world-building where each town feels extremely unique and is fun to explore.

[Anonymous No.5196150]

[Anonymous No.5198047]

>>5194631
People who live in glass houses shouldn't waifu stones.

>>5194754
>all prepromotes on a "secret class" are designed to be the worst
Say what. Rohde, Jaro, and Lemon are all plenty serviceable.

[Anonymous No.5198372]

>>5193149
>>5191495
>>5193340

You are all wrong. Masquirin is objectively

>best girl
>has best magic selection
>is the cutest

[Anonymous No.5198981]

>>5191686
But you could level up her even faster due to Aura spell! So she will become a high-leveled MMNK faster.

[Anonymous No.5199057]

1 is way better told, has a better final weapon lore (chaos breaker vs generic sword of good), has a way way better conclusion (final battle events and aftermath vs wile e. coyote and sleeping beauty), has no random elements be it battles or crafting.
Oh yeah also ALL CAPS NAMES BECAUSE TOM CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL I GUESS.

2 is still good, but some points really pull me out of the mood.

[Anonymous No.5199080]

>Now playing sf2 for the first time
>Sea monster gives me a big challenge
>Kiwi and Sarah became useless
>Not able to promote anyone
>the slippers do nothing
I feel like i'm missing something important, and i already start to lose patience.

[Anonymous No.5199180]

>>5199080
>Sea monster gives me a big challenge
It's supposed to. The Kraken is the first casual filter, and having your air units be fragile as fuck makes going for the head difficult at first. Just take it slow, and if you have to Egress a few times, suck it up.
>Kiwi and Sarah became useless
True on Kiwi, but FUCKYOUSAY about Sarah?! Not even waifui-ing man, she can be beast if you use her like you're supposed to(even better if you spam her Heal like most do).
>Not able to promote anyone
I believe you have to hit level 20 with your characters in their base class before they can be promoted. Some characters come pre-promoted too(at the point you're at, no one is pre-promoted yet).
>the slippers do nothing
Well...not 'nothing', but they don't do anything useful(they change the sound effects for your character walking...whee...).

If you're losing patience by this point however, TRPGs are apparently not for you...perhaps not RPGs in general.

[Anonymous No.5199359]

>>5194631
Absolutely criminal how late you get her in game.

[Anonymous No.5199382]

>>5199057
>has no random elements
Except those incredibly unreliable and maddening level ups.
>no stat increase at all 3 levels in a row

[Anonymous No.5199393]

>>5191060
2 is more polished and the soundtrack is great.

1 has some more interesting character designs and over the top attack animations.

[Anonymous No.5199475]

>>5191060
I'll take the game with the foxy Bolt mage.

[Anonymous No.5199545]

>>5198372
>he thinks Shining Force 3 is actually good

[Anonymous No.5199551]

>>5199057
I just remember how gay 2 gets with that whole stupid blind kid part who of course is one of the big demons. Having that idiot follow me around for half the game is irritating.

[Anonymous No.5199901]

>>5199080
>>5199180
nevermind, i did it

[Anonymous No.5201117]

>>5199475

[Anonymous No.5201380]

>>5199901
You did it pre-promition? No wonder you had difficulty. I always have everyone promoted except those who can be promoted to a better class with items by that point. Still, well done, you clearly earned that victory. But you'll need to promote at least Bowie soon or you can't equip the weapon you need to beat the next boss.

[Anonymous No.5201390]

>>5201380
Bowie can equip the Achilles Sword unpromoted

[Anonymous No.5201405]

>>5201390
>>5201380
>>5199901
Pro-tip: You can get the Achilles Sword before fighting the Kraken.

[Anonymous No.5201548]

>>5201405
How?

[Anonymous No.5201752]

>>5201548
as soon as you get the raft you can go to the desert area immediately without having to go past the kraken and do the stuff with the tree in that town

[Anonymous No.5201764]

>>5201752
I don't know how I jumbled that but I meant you can go to the other desert and do that tree tunnel stuff without having to go past the kraken

[Anonymous No.5201787]

>>5193340
>>5193175
>>5193149
>>5191656
All of these characters are the best and my most use members in both games.
But Tao is still my favorite.

Side Note
Shining Force 1 team i went with Kochici, Damingo, Zylo, Ken, Mae, Gort, Luke, Tao, Mushashi and Hanzo.
Shining force 2 its Sarah, Jaha, Chester, Peter, Garrett (Kiwi) Kazin, May, Karna, Lemon and Chaz

[Anonymous No.5203038]

Does every single JRPG have some kind of theme where you're living in the magic based future of a world that used to be a technological based society?

[Anonymous No.5203045]

>>5203038
Holdover from Wizardry.

[Anonymous No.5203046]

>>5199057
>better final weapon lore
Its the same fucking weapon you stupid triple nigger.

[Anonymous No.5203085]

>>5203038
no, it's wizardry/might and magic influence

[Anonymous No.5203103]

>>5203038
Yes.

[Anonymous No.5203302]

>>5191060
I should probably play 2 but damn I love 1, it shaped a lot of my tastes in games to this day.
Played it so many times as a kid I can remember almost everything about it to a T, save for stat totals.
Great game.

[Anonymous No.5204836]

>>5199901
me again
"tired 28 year old retro gamer" meme is real, i cannot finish the game without a guide

[Anonymous No.5204938]

>>5204836
Where did you get stuck?

[Anonymous No.5205283]

>>5199359
Shinig Force 2

[Anonymous No.5205291]

>>5203038
uhhh almost all of them?

[Anonymous No.5205297]

>>5204938
i bet the kraken

[Anonymous No.5205427]

>>5203045
>>5203085
what? don't be dumb it's all Future Boy Conan and Laputa and Nausicaa, which themselves are based on and inspired by actual literature and spawned tons of other anime and manga of the same theme

[Anonymous No.5205434]

>>5205427
I mean if you wanna get really technical you can keep tracing back forever, I'm pretty sure Tezuka did the whole thing with the ancient Mu civilization even before those other ones in the three eyed one

[Anonymous No.5205581]

>>5205427
>Nausicaa
Released in 82 and adapted in 84
>Wizardry
Released in 1980 and took Japan by storm. Introduced slimes, robots, ninjas, you name it and mixed it all together. All jRPGs you see today can trace their ancestry to Wizardry 1.

[Anonymous No.5205629]

>there are people in this thread that promote before reaching max level unpromoted
Gross.

[Anonymous No.5205650]

>>5205629
Kind of pointless to do that, since you'd be at the very end of the game by that point and have to spend a ridiculous amount of time grinding just to finish up a few final rounds.

The way I see it, is to find a sweet spot, somewhere in the middle where you will be find grinding for a while to extend the game. The promotion system is really stupid desu, only flaw of these games.

[Anonymous No.5205659]

>>5205650
Nah, you level up faster unpromoted, so it wouldn't be quite the end of the game yet.
Like you'll promote around the ship battle in SF1, for example and that is just slightly further than the middle of the game.

[Anonymous No.5206019]

>>5199057
you just reminded me about sleeping beauty. Let he sleep. Sarah is right there.

[Anonymous No.5206203]

>>5204938
i did not

[Anonymous No.5206262]

>>5204836
It's not because you're a "tired gamer" it's because you're playing a boring game

[Anonymous No.5206318]

>>5205650
Always promote at L20 in SF.
Always promote at least at L30 in SF2.

You want to do so in the first game because there are many characters who will be straight useless if promoted at L10, while reaching godhood if promoted at L20. For SF2 you're going to want all those extra stats you can get for the post-game secret battle and during a hard mode run.

[Anonymous No.5206704]

>>5206318
Except you never actually get to godhood if you promote at level 20 because the game ends. Stats are slightly less at the same level if you promote earlier but you can actually use weapons, can actually be useful for much of the game, and will end up having better stats anyway because you'll end up at a higher level if most exp isn't wasted going towards an unpromoted class.

[Anonymous No.5207159]

>>5206203
o

[Anonymous No.5207227]

>>5205629
>there are people who think autistic minmaxing is anything but a waste of time
Icky.