Ace Combat Series

[Anonymous No.5190359]

Why does everybody say to skip 1-3? I expected as much from reddit, but I've seen people on here say the same.

[Anonymous No.5190571]

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[Anonymous No.5190576]

Crinfe

[Anonymous No.5190579]

>>5190359
>Why does everybody say to skip 1-3
Because they take the dubious honor of most kick assest game that ever was (for a SIM)
It has all the usual components, speed , control, lots of lethal jets and a bitch load of air to air missiles. If you don't jerk you head around the first time you play this game you had you hadbetter check your pulse. as far as originality and the latter you will be a little miss laid and the intro will only make you say "yeah that is going to be the game on the ultra 64". But other than the oe the game on the ultra 64". But other than the obvious flaws in teh tiny texture mapped terrors of the sky the game really rocks. Th e sound track don't suck neither, wow! bonus shit or what I mean what the hell do those guys at Namco smoke anyway. (wish I had some) I think those little jap bastards love to freak, no I take that back I know those little jap bastards love to freak on military Sims and that's cooly this game you had better check your pulse.

[Anonymous No.5190590]

>>5190359
People dislike 1, 2 and the american/pal version of 3 because it lacks the melodramatic stories.

[Anonymous No.5190603]

>>5190359
I've only seen people say to skip the American version of 3 and play the re-translation instead.

[Anonymous No.5190649]

>>5190359
1 is basically tuned like an arcade game trying to eat your money. 2's fun but has a remake in Assault Horizon Legacy on 3DS which also better ties the game in better to the lore of future games. The localized version of 3 was butchered so is only worth playing the Japanese version.

That's why.

[Anonymous No.5190687]

> enjoyed 1-3
> plays Assault Horizon
> goes the fuck back to 1-3

[Anonymous No.5190702]

>>5190359
Because they lack the proper means to play 2 and 3

[Anonymous No.5190704]

>>5190687
>play 1-3
>play the worst game in the franchise that literally no one likes
>aw man why did the series go to shit after the first 3

[Anonymous No.5190729]

iirc 1 only has the 'arcade' style controls but 2 and 3 are really fucking good, 3 is even better now that we have the actual story translated

[Anonymous No.5190731]

>>5190729
The all control the same, in fact 2 is the odd one out of the 3 and plays like dog shit with ultra sensitive planes and random to hit missiles.

[Anonymous No.5190745]

>>5190359
1 is the most skippable and contributes almost nothing to the Lore. Fun game, but soundtrack and levels are repetitive. Worth playing if you're really in to AC, though.

2 is a massive improvement. Soundtrack is more varied and begins to resemble the soundtracks of the later games. Same with the overall aesthetics. Mission briefings are awful and sound like they're being given by a Texan robot. Even if you played AHL, this is fun to play especially if you've played Ace Combat 4, as several of its levels bear a striking resemblance to AC4 levels. Still skippable if you only have a passing interest in the series, but slightly less so than 1.

The Japanese version of AC3 with the English patch/mod is amazing. It has a branching story and an incredible soundtrack. If you like Armored Core's soundtrack you will fall in love with the AC3 soundtrack. Absolutely worth playing and anyone who tells you otherwise a nugget.

[Anonymous No.5190856]

It's not out of hate or malice that people say to skip 1-3. The first game is super short and basically a glorified arcade game so you aren't missing a whole lot by skipping it. The second game as a remake on the 3DS that is routinely recommended. As for the third game, until recently there wasn't a translation of the original Japanese version. The english version was butchered lacking half the game, and most people don't know 日本語 nor are willing to go through the effort to import the game so most end up skipping it. Now that you can play a translated version on emulator relatively easily you see the game getting recommended more.

[Anonymous No.5191063]

OP here, I appreciate all of the useful info.

[Anonymous No.5191128]

>>5190359

ace combat 2 is great

[Anonymous No.5191431]

Because they started playing the series at 4 and think that's the best way to play it just because that's how they did it.

The actual best way to play the series is in release order. It will give you a better appreciation for how the series grew and evolved over the years. If you start playing the series with the PS2 games, you'll have a hard time getting used to the way the PS1 games play due to the more simplified slight mechanics. There is no reason not to start with the first game. Even if you don't have a system capable of playing PS1 games (PS1, PS2, PS3, PSP, PS Vita, anything but PS4 really), PS1 games are easy to emulate.

[Anonymous No.5191434]

>>5190856
The 3DS game sucks. It uses the shitty Joint Assault physics model and isn't any fun to play.

[Anonymous No.5191467]

>>5190745
>>5190856
3 is ridiculous, it's a genuine epic. I hope they try something of its scope again if 7 is successful.

[Anonymous No.5191567]

>>5190579
>It has all the usual components, speed , control, lots of lethal jets and a bitch load of air to air missiles. If you don't jerk you head around the first time you play this game you had you hadbetter check your pulse. as far as originality and the latter you will be a little miss laid and the intro will only make you say "yeah that is going to be the game on the ultra 64". But other than the oe the game on the ultra 64". But other than the obvious flaws in teh tiny texture mapped terrors of the sky the game really rocks. Th e sound track don't suck neither, wow! bonus shit or what I mean what the hell do those guys at Namco smoke anyway. (wish I had some) I think those little jap bastards love to freak, no I take that back I know those little jap bastards love to freak on military Sims and that's cooly this game you had better check your pulse.
amazing fucking post
>>5190359
the games kick ass, they're just less faggoty soap-opera things so /v/ prefers 4,5, and 0 (they have better presentation/production value)

[Anonymous No.5191568]

>>5190702
based.

anyway all the ps1 and ps2 ones are

[Anonymous No.5191581]

3 is the best game in the entire series. 2 is good but the controls are a bit premature. 1 can be skipped.

[Anonymous No.5192125]

>>5191434
>Joint Assault physics model
Really? Fuck that shit. JA had terrible physics, and that's before you fight Sulejmani.

[Anonymous No.5192195]

AC3 has most dreamlike music in any game ever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeX4kHPCrCI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_UiIO3oAos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUbXEQt8O2o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLnk2e1fnks&index=3&list=PLDD61C76EF278E530
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMVCOcMitOQ&index=8&list=PLDD61C76EF278E530
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzjPnoSNprE&index=9&list=PLDD61C76EF278E530
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX-7QGCjMgw&index=13&list=PLDD61C76EF278E530
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qf_bqcO6Wvw&index=15&list=PLDD61C76EF278E530
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yHh5a6O59k&index=16&list=PLDD61C76EF278E530
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6zJxVVhRwo&index=19&list=PLDD61C76EF278E530
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8d_L1AYcww&list=PLDD61C76EF278E530&index=20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhU7mewqei4&list=PLDD61C76EF278E530&index=24
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4Qu3HerqbQ&index=30&list=PLDD61C76EF278E530

[Anonymous No.5192275]

>>5190359
They didn't age well...the controls are pretty stiff and there aren't any cockpit views, so who cares? They have pretty good music, though, but there wasn't anything to keep me invested in 2 since it has no story and I don't care about 3 because none of the planes are real.

[Anonymous No.5192307]

>>5192195
Riiiidge Racer

[Anonymous No.5192332]

>>5192275
>playing AC in cockpit view

[Anonymous No.5192381]

>>5192275
Cockpit view sucks on a flat screen (VR mode in 7 might be decent but it only has 3 missions), and Ace Combat stories are generally terrible anyway.

[Anonymous No.5192398]

>>5192275
>didn't age well
I disregarded your opinion right there.

[Anonymous No.5192862]

>>5190359
Honestly 2 and 3 fascinate me. I've always wondered what the "original" vision for the Ace Combat world was.
Ace Combat 4's JP strategy guide has a map on the cover that shows the Usea continent of 2/3 added on to our earth continents (with some minor modification), which was seemingly the original idea. The Ace Combat 3 press kit gives the characters real world nationalities (I can't remember what they were off the top of my head.) although I forget if that was also true of the Japanese press kit, or if it was part of the localisation for the west.

As games, they're also great atmospherically. They don't quite have the soap-opera element of the PS2 games, but they've still got a dramatic feel to them. Controls can be dubious and Ace Combat 3 at times feels more enjoyable in terms of atmosphere than in terms of gameplay, almost like an actual military operation with comparatively few targets to destroy and limited rewards for doing so, but it's still a great game that does wonderful things with the Playstation hardware.

A final thought/question: How come Ace Combat 3 could do water properly, while in the PS2 games it's always an ugly blue texture? In the mission where you have to chase the F/A-117 through the ravine (Canyon Flight/Ghosts of the past), the water underneath you is a clear, reflective blue that looks like clean water. Did the PS1 have some hardware reason it was easier to do an effect like that?

[Anonymous No.5193508]

>>5192862
It was a fake reflection. It just rendered everything upside-down beneath the surface of the "water". Some other PS1 games did this too, like Jet Moto.

[Anonymous No.5194162]

>>5192332
>>5192381
>spotted the niggas who never flew a plane in real life.

[Anonymous No.5194215]

>>5194162
acecombat ain't a simulator though

[Anonymous No.5194241]

>>5190359
why was the first one renamed in usa/europe anyway

[Anonymous No.5194449]

>>5192862
2 & especially 3 are beautiful. They don't seem to get brought up much when people are talking about the best PS1 graphics, maybe because aerial landscapes aren't the most flashy stuff, but they're goddamn exquisite.

https://papas-best.com/acecombat_en is cool, stage models extracted from 3.

[Anonymous No.5194989]

7 is being billed as a prequel to 3 so it's worth playing if you care about the series.

[Anonymous No.5195004]

in my imo:
5 > 4 > 0 > 3 > 2 > 6 > 1
honestly 2 is a good game and possibly better than 3 (given that 3 is the most divisive entry anyway and you could justify ranking it anywhere), but the lack of analogue controls really hurts the original ps1 version

[Anonymous No.5195792]

>>5191434
>>5192125
Assault Horizon Legacy also does away with 2's music in favor of something more contemporary and completely different, or worse if you don't feel like typing as many words. How they expected to maintain the illusion that the remake is even at least as good as the original when the latter had Fire Youngman and the former does not I will never understand.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ABs_Kw_miw

[Anonymous No.5196279]

>>5195004
Uh, what? AC2 has analog control support. It was one of the first games to use it.

[Anonymous No.5196345]

>>5196279
Oh. I have the japanese version. No analog support there. Didn't know it was different.

[Anonymous No.5196405]

>>5190579
wat

[Anonymous No.5196440]

>>5190359
I've only ever played the first one, so my opinion should be taken as such.

It felt like a chore to play, honestly. It just wasn't fun and I may be alone here, but I found the set up and presentation lacking.

Yes, it's m I re of a sim, as opposed to an arcade blast fest, but it's an early PS1 game made by Namco. I expected more.

I may or may not be an unwashed pleb when it comes to games like this, but whatever.
I'll play a flight sim that's actually fun in some way. And Air Combat (Ace Combat) just isn't to me.

[Anonymous No.5196719]

>>5194215
No, but I still find it more fun to have a cockpit view, otherwise it just feels like I'm playing with one of those R/C planes (which is HAWX's "off mode" that I hate with a passion).

Ace Combat is all about having the thrill of being a fighter pilot without having to deal with all the bullshit a simulator brings to the table and without a cockpit view you're not getting the full experience of that are you?

[Anonymous No.5196938]

>>5196345
The Japanese version still has analog.

[Anonymous No.5197018]

>>5196938
I went back and tested it and it wouldn't work. Though the manual does mention analog support. I guess it doesn't recognize DualShock2 or something.

[Anonymous No.5197040]

>>5197018
Something must be wrong with your controller because it works with a DS2. I have it too and it works fine.

[Anonymous No.5197190]

>>5191467
I agree. I'd like to see it set somewhere between the AC3 and modern times.

>>5192195
If you like Transparent Blue, Eye of the Storm, Montage, and Linkage you will love the Armored Core 2 and 3 (and 1 to some extent) soundtracks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-zEKZkJK8o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-lg3ZxMA3c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EezxEb0czZA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnwrAcRCHZQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUko2Sc-Ph4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr3wAfTsGUY

[Anonymous No.5197926]

>>5197018
You might need to press the analog button on the controller to enable it. This was back in the days when analog wasn't turned on by default.