/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.5179079]

What are some niche games that are incredibly fantastic and don't try to appeal to any audience?

I've decided recently I'm done with any game that is trying to be inclusive. I want real quality games that only some people 'get' and try to understand their appeal myself. I have come to realize I have bad taste in games and want to know what are true quality games.

Pic related is my best example. I know this is something posted a lot but I don't know much else. I want to know what games have a sense of 'soul' in them and you can tell they put their heart into it.

[Anonymous No.5179104]

well if you want real quality you'd either play Tactics Ogre or go to a more rewarding lifestyle in general, one involving leaving this site forever.

[Anonymous No.5179109]

What is the difference between FFT and FFT: War of the Lions? Is there any reason to play one over the other?

[Anonymous No.5179112]

>>5179109
WOTL has some additional content, nicely animated cutscenes, content missing from the US version (sound test, for example) and adds onion knight and dark knight as classes. If you have a PSP, go for it (and some fix patches).

Has a new translation but people are divisive on it.

[Anonymous No.5179114]

>>5179109
reworked translation, more faithful to the original but they decided to go for a more theatrical, flowery translation that might put you off depending on your taste, some people feel its out of place

other than that it has slowdown that can be easily solved by a patch

[Anonymous No.5179115]

>>5179079
I'm sad to say anon, but FFT is just a mainstream babby's version of Tactics Ogre.

[Anonymous No.5179119]

>>5179112
>>5179114
oh yeah they also added some cameo characters as optional recruits like bartre from FF12 and...fucking Luso from FTTA2
why they didnt add Marche is beyond me

[Anonymous No.5179124]

>>5179104
>>5179115
which Tactics Ogre is best?

[Anonymous No.5179195]

>>5179124
when comparing to FFT, most people would be referencing Let Us Cling Together, the Playstation remake of the Japanese only third (?) SNES game in the series. (LUCT for short) Matsuno was hired by Square after making the series TO make Final Fantasy Tactics. You may want to play the PSP rerelease as if you're not very into the genre the PSX/SNES releases have some archaic mechanics that might not be "for you".

What makes the game "soulful" is true branching story paths, missable characters/alternate timelines for characters depending on your choices (bosses in some, allies in another), a lack of JRPG BS (until the end) and being based on real-life internal crisis leading to a more bleak storyline.

That's about it bruv. Use archers on high ground.

[Anonymous No.5179197]

>I want real quality games that only some people 'get'
Explore the Sega Genesis library
Play some old WRPGs
Try out arcade shmups
There are tons of niches out there.

[Anonymous No.5179201]

>>5179195
>want to finish Ogre battle before starting LUCT
>cant get into it
>but I also really like the concept
my autism knows no bounds

[Anonymous No.5179205]

Gridless SRPG > Grid based SRPG

[Anonymous No.5179206]

>>5179205
Any examples of gridless SRPGs?

[Anonymous No.5179208]

>>5179079
Most old-school SEGA games should fit this bill, with the one major exception being Sonic.

In particular, I'd recommend Shenmue, the Ecco series, and NiGHTs.

Also Shining force if you're on a tactical JRPG binge or whatever.

[Anonymous No.5179217]

>>5179104

what's the point of playing tactics ogre if i already played FFT?

[Anonymous No.5179229]

>>5179217
to get more matsuno in your life

[Anonymous No.5179240]

>>5179079
if you want a nice little game in the same vein, play ball bullet gun on snes. it has a translation patch.

[Anonymous No.5179241]

>>5179206
The only one I'm familiar with is Valkyria but that isn't a retro game.

[Anonymous No.5179268]

>>5179195
yeah in other words its mostly hipsters embarassing themselves by shitting on one of the best games ever made to try an impress a few nerds.

[Anonymous No.5179274]

>>5179205
A better and more relevant comparison is:

3D Grid-based TPRG > 2D Grid-based TRPG

Final Fantasy Tactics has some of the best maps in any TRPG.

[Anonymous No.5179314]

>>5179201
Yeah you're gonna need an emulator with a turbo button for that game. I love the game though, even if I didn't beat the game until my dozenth try or so.

[Anonymous No.5179990]

>>5179201
I skipped Ogre Battle and dont regret. LUCT is leagues above (I still prefer FFT but, honestly, both are great!)

[Anonymous No.5180019]

>>5179206
Phantom Brave

[Anonymous No.5180298]

Gonna do a new FFT run, what fun builds would you recommend for 4 generics, 2 males and 2 females? So far I have my favorite lady Monk/Thief build, and a Wizard that may either invest in Samurai or Mediator (might depend on how I build Ramza). Not sure about the males, I kind of want to go for a pure physical attacker and a hybrid of some sort. Priest/Lancer and Chemist/Knight sounds like loads of fun.

[Anonymous No.5180301]

Gonna do a new FFT run, what fun builds would you recommend for 4 generics, 2 males and 2 females? So far I have my favorite lady Monk/Thief build, and a Wizard that may either invest in Samurai or Mediator (might depend on how I build Ramza). Not sure about the males, I kind of want to go for a pure physical attacker and a hybrid of some sort. Priest/Lancer and Chemist/Knight sounds like loads of fun.

[Anonymous No.5180307]

>>5179314
>>5179990
Play Ogre Battle 64, that game alone makes playing through the original Ogre Battle worth it.

[Anonymous No.5180471]

>>5179205
Chaos Wars

[Anonymous No.5180472]

>>5180301
Ninja with Martial Arts or GTFO

[Anonymous No.5180553]

>>5179124
Knights of Lodis, GBA

[Anonymous No.5180604]

>>5180472
>Ninja/Monk over Monk/Ninja
hahahahahahaha virgin

[Anonymous No.5180609]

>>5180604
holy shit how can anyone even be so completely wrong

[Anonymous No.5180619]

>>5180609
I prefer Punch Art to Throw.

[Anonymous No.5180623]

>>5180619
you can put punch art on a ninja

though concentrate+battle skill or jump+equip spear are probably more fun

[Anonymous No.5180627]

>>5180623
>you can put punch art on a ninja
Point is Throw is 100% a wasted slot whereas Punch Art is not.

[Anonymous No.5180632]

>>5180627
Throw does more damage than punch art in almost all circumstances except for lolrandom kenshiro punches

[Anonymous No.5180641]

>>5180632
Punch Art isn't used primarily for damage, that's what Dual-Wield Fists are for, it's used for sheer versatility.
>ranged physical attack
>attack that pierces through a straight line
>status restoration
>HP restoration
>revive
>all of this scales off PA
>all of this costs no MP
Admittedly stuff like Repeating Fist, Spin Fist, and Secret Fist ain't so hot, but I found far more practical use out of all the above then I ever did Throw.

[Anonymous No.5180648]

>>5180641
so it's a less effective and versatile version of Item or Draw Out for poorfags?

[Anonymous No.5180653]

>>5180648
Item requires a Chemist to use efficiently (though unlike Ninja/Monk if it uses Punch Art, you can actually equip Item to your Monk/Ninja if you so wish), and Draw Out ironically benefits more out of MA than PA.

[Anonymous No.5180658]

>>5179115
>babby
FFT improved TO's gameplay and gave it more depth and flexibility

[Anonymous No.5180661]

>>5180658
I wouldn't say that, just implemented Final Fantasy gameplay elements to the Tactics Ogre format (quite well mind you).

[Anonymous No.5180667]

>>5180653
A ninja with throw item and item is probably better than a ninja with martial arts and punch art, which is still probably inferior to a ninja with martial arts and basic skill which is even then a watered down version of Ramza exploiting Scream with ninja and Martial Arts which isn't even close to as completely bananas as fielding a Wizard leveled as a Mime using MA up and Draw Out

[Anonymous No.5180671]

>>5180667
>Wizard leveled as a Mime using MA up and Draw Out
which is itself just less completely fucking stupid broken as using Reis leveled as Dragoner and being a Wizard with Math or Draw Out or even her own command set because of the completely ridiculous unfair gamebreaking bananas damage she can do with holy breath

[Anonymous No.5181191]

>>5180641
You forgot MP restoration. That alone makes Punch Art worthwhile.
Also, doesn't apply significantly to vanilla FFT, but Secret Fist is very useful in 1.3.
>>5180648
>poorfags
If you can afford unlimited ethers and kikuichimonji's then it probably means you've been grinding enough that it doesn't matter what abilities you use.
>less effective and versatile
Punch Art is more versatile than Item. Item is basically Phoenix Down, status recovery, and low-level healing. That's all really, and it only ever works on one target at a time. Stigma Magic and Chakra can both hit multiple panels (which you can exploit if you have situational awareness and think ahead when making tactical decisions.)
>Draw Out
Scales from MA(not PA) and is an advanced ability that requires access to katanas to use. Even if you CAN afford unlimited Katanas, they might not even be for sale yet.
Draw Out is a great secondary ability for a Magic-user
Punch Art is a great secondary ability for a Physical attacker.
They aren't competing for the same slots unless you don't know what you're doing.

[Anonymous No.5181217]

>>5180667
>A ninja with throw item and item is probably better than a ninja with martial arts and punch art
This depends. Most obviously, on the character's brave. A high-brave Ninja with Martial Arts and some +PA gear probably doesn't even need any secondary abilities to be the most effective character on the field.
Chakra is better than Item if you're relying on casters, especially for maps where you can easily arrange your party to take advantage of it. A ninja's speed and movement means that it'll be easier to get into position for Chakra's as well.
If you don't have casters, Chakra still holds up well against Item because it's a multi-target heal.
> better
> inferior
At this point I think you're really way way too hung up on inferior and superior. The game is well-designed enough that it's hard to make these kinds of simplistic comparisons with most abilities. Obviously there are some exceptions like Math Skill. But...
> a Wizard leveled as a Mime using MA up and Draw Out
You deploy 5 characters in most battles. There's no reason you can't have a Wizard + Draw Out, a Knight with Punch Art, and a Ninja with Item all at the same time.

[Anonymous No.5181560]

>>5179079
Umihara Kawase. People think that only weebs with schoolgirl fantasies play it, but that's not true. It's a fucking tight platformer with a unique rope swinging mechanic. You won't find anything like it, the only thing similar is rope swinging in worms armageddon but that's still quite different.

[Anonymous No.5181571]

>>5179079
FFT on a non retro nintendo product is fun. The story is completely different, more childlike but it's a nice change of pace on a non retro portable.

[Anonymous No.5181726]

>>5179079
underrail is my favorite game ever and it's definitely not "inclusive" in any way
its not retro though

I'm also upset with games recently. Pillars of eternity, kingmaker, divinity original sin, avernum >>> recycle bin.

Retro, non-inclusive, heart & soul:
>half life 1
>BG 1 & 2 (2 is quite different than 1, try it even if you dont like 1)
>IWD 1 (2 is optional, I liked it)
>fallout 1 (2 if you want more of 1 and don't mind memes)
>heroes of might and magic 3 (2 is optional, I liked it)
>parasite eve 2

[Anonymous No.5181741]

>>5179268
huh? Shitting on what, FFT? Don't know where your aggression comes from friend, I love both games and FFT hacking and mods make it infinity replayable and enjoyable in its own right.

But the PSP release of LUCT is a very good rerelease, much better than WotL in comparison.

[Anonymous No.5181959]

>>5181741
both PSP rereleases are terrible tbqhwyfamalam

[Anonymous No.5181965]

>>5181959
*spends 5 hours moving behind and throwing stone at you for gain 2 levels in the training screen*

[Anonymous No.5181973]

>>5181965
the training is optional though, you never have to actually do it and the only reason you want to ever do it is to adjust characters to the level of the strongest characters and level everyone off at that breakpoint.

[Anonymous No.5181975]

>>5181973
this isn't even taking into account the fact that you can set both teams to auto-battle and let them train themselves

[Anonymous No.5181987]

>>5181975
so the better option is to let the game play itself for an hour? I'll admit the revamp on class systems isn't a catch-all and leads to unbalanced or unfun situations.
but >>5181973 is wrong I think, the game greatly encourages you to get your characters to that "breakpoint". The general difficulty of the game aside, you are given too many situational objectives and new characters to just "be ready" for most battles/bosses.

[Anonymous No.5181994]

>>5181987
the better option is to go straight to the next story battle

there's only 2 points where it's hard to do that
1. start of chapter 2, because your enemies will be the same level as the npc's in your party, who will be higher than you
2. chapter 3 wiegraf

[Anonymous No.5182059]

>>5181741
>Don't know where your aggression comes from friend
Here's one example:
>>5179115
>I'm sad to say anon, but FFT is just a mainstream babby's version of Tactics Ogre
Not the first comment like it I've seen in FFT threads.

[Anonymous No.5182160]

>>5179079
Great genre games is what you're looking for?

(Warning, not all my recomendations will be /vr/)

>shadow of destiny.
It's a hard game to describe, but I love it. You are murdered, and some random deity type thing grants you time travel powers to prevent your death. You succeed in delaying the enevitable, and thus, must spend a bunch of time, time traveling and working shit out. You get to visit other time periods and it's just a cumfy, cozy kind of psuedo horror/thriller game.

>Galerians
It's not for normies, for sure. It's the most survival horrorie survival horror ever made. It has severe tank controls, and combat is just... not fun, to say the least. What lies beneath that, is an actually fairly great game.
You play as a kid who's been experimented on, and can now take drugs to use psychic powers. If you can stand the controls and like prerendered backgrounds, it's fucking great.

>Dino Crisis
Yes, I like action/adventure and horror.
Anyway, Dino crisis is basically RE turned up to 15. It's longer, harder and has more strategy to it than RE does.
You have lots of potential for challenge runs as well, as lots of ammo and healing items are found in locked boxes, and there's a dart creating system. So you could limit or challenge yourself in many abusive and amusing ways. It's also got awesome atmosphere, and easy mode in DC is about the same challenge as hard mode in RE3.

>kuon
Not tetro even slightly, but fuck it. It's another survival horror where you use spell cards to combat japanese fairy tale demons. It's dark, gory and one of my all time favorite games. Be warned that combat can take getting used to, and this shit is EXPENSIVE, so just download it.

>Nightmare creatures
Now bear with me. It's not the best around, but it's a quite excelent action game. Combat has depth and maneuverability totally lacking in other PS1 games, and monster AI is quite aggressive and fun to fight against. Only downfall is that combo timing can be a massive bitch.

[Anonymous No.5183273]

>>5182059
Very fair - I'm not sure if it makes me a further contrarian to see Tactics Ogre pushed so much by hipster on the internet who rate it so highly as a negative. It creates a clout around a great game and might get more people playing it, but sometimes you seen it thrown around as the new "secret handshake".

I just wish this cult status would lead to further games in the series, not just an endpoint of inbred fans yelling down. But we saw what happened with that mobile shit so I'm doubted it'll ever continue.

[Anonymous No.5183363]

>>5179079
Capitalism, the game? Simcity? Other management games.
Simulation games like flight sims? Red Baron and Red Baron 3d have a lot of love and detail put into them, and got me playing flight sims for around 7 years.

[Anonymous No.5183401]

>>5179114
>more faithful to the original
Is it really more faithful or does it just not have as many embarrassing but easily recognized (and mentally corrected) errors like "Dycedarg's Elder Brother"

[Anonymous No.5183427]

>>5179079
>I've decided recently I'm done with any game that is trying to be inclusive.
>Final Fantasy is the best example of a supposedly non inclusive game
Great satire, friend.