/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.5168518]

What are your thoughts on shaders?

>inb4 “looking good xD”

[Anonymous No.5168529]

just depends. In general I'd rather use them than have big unfiltered ugly chunky boy pixels though.

[Anonymous No.5168546]

>>5168529
Same, man. Same. I think I love borders just as much as shaders, though.
Never liked when black from non 16:9 games bleed into black from pillar boxing.

[Anonymous No.5168548]

I use them for everything pre-ps2

[Anonymous No.5168549]

>>5168548
That’s pretty nice. Settings?

[Anonymous No.5168561]

>>5168549
It's my personal modified version of the crt slotmask shader from retroarch's shader pack, the original is way too dark and fucks with the colors.

[Anonymous No.5168583]

>>5168518
Scanlines never go the full distance so I don't use them.

If you're going to put in scanlines to replicate the look of a CRT you also have to brighten the whole image. Does no one remember how vivid and luminous CRT monitors are?

[Anonymous No.5168592]

>>5168518
>>inb4 “looking good xD”

[Anonymous No.5168598]

>>5168518

R8 my shader

[Anonymous No.5168606]

>>5168592
Based

[Anonymous No.5168608]

>>5168598
You’re a silly lad, aren’t you

>>5168592
>>5168606
Cringe

[Anonymous No.5168613]

What is the best option for a CRT Shader on Retroarch?
I've been emulating clean since ever, don't know much about shaders and stuff

[Anonymous No.5168619]

WOW IT LOOKS JUST LIKE THE DEVELOPERS INTENDED

[Anonymous No.5168620]

>>5168619
suck a dick you fucking pedo peasant faggot bitch, i hope your mother finds everything on your computer

[Anonymous No.5168623]

>>5168619
>Blends the green pixels on the palm trees trunk
Unironically better than raw

[Anonymous No.5168641]

>>5168608
>You’re a silly lad, aren’t you
Yes.

>>5168619
The jailbars should be vertical though, also you should feel bad.

[Anonymous No.5168650]

>>5168561
Any chance you could post it to pastebin or something similar?
>>5168613
Just use whatever looks best to you. Currently I'm using the S-Video Royale shader.

[Anonymous No.5168658]

>>5168641
Those don't look like jailbars. They look like a failed attempt at scanlines that were not scaled right.

[Anonymous No.5168675]

>>5168583
>If you're going to put in scanlines to replicate the look of a CRT you also have to brighten the whole image
Some emulators let you do just that, as well as adding in a CRT reflective bloom effect

[Anonymous No.5168716]

>>5168650
I use crt-easymode. It looks good to me, but I still feel there is one even better

[Anonymous No.5168727]

>>5168716
Just look through the /emu/ wiki to get an idea of some of them, crt-easymode is fine if it looks good to you.

http://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/CRT_Shaders

[Anonymous No.5168749]

>>5168518
I like getting boners while I play my girl fighting game! :^)

[Anonymous No.5168752]

>>5168518

[Anonymous No.5168754]

>>5168749
Feels good dunnit

[Anonymous No.5168759]

>>5168752
>green not blended in palm tree trunks

[Anonymous No.5169090]

>>5168518
I love them.

[Anonymous No.5169286]

>>5168727
Thanks a bunch, I'll take a look later

[Anonymous No.5169298]

>>5168529
>thinking a set like that would produce an image like that
The absolute state of zoomers.

[Anonymous No.5169329]

>>5169090
Brighten up the colours a bit, and it's perfect.

[Anonymous No.5169346]

>>5169090
Disgusting faggot.

[Anonymous No.5169416]

>>5169090
This.
If you don't like shaders you are a piece of nigger shit.
Like this >>5169346
Fucking retard subhuman.

[Anonymous No.5169427]

I've heard about how crt shaders work much better on a 4k resolution. Is this true?

[Anonymous No.5169435]

>>5169427
As long as it’s a 4K monitor. Smaller is preferred. It’s all about resolution and PPI.

[Anonymous No.5169539]

>>5168592
BASED

[Anonymous No.5169561]

CRT filters are a fucking meme either play on a real CRT or don't use filters.

[Anonymous No.5169568]

>>5169416
That game looks cool as hell.

[Anonymous No.5169575]

>>5169568
It's a pretty good River City Ransom clone.
Pic related is the realest handheld TMNT game though.

[Anonymous No.5169615]

>>5169568
The GBA had a LOT of cool little games.

[Anonymous No.5169665]

>>5169090
What shader is this?

[Anonymous No.5169668]

>>5169615
GBcolor too.
I always forget how the GBcolor is actually a upgrade of the gameboy with new hardware and it has more advanced games (it could run Shantae for example).

[Anonymous No.5169672]

>>5169665
>\shaders\shaders_cg\ntsc\ntsc-320px-gauss-scanline

[Anonymous No.5169689]

looking good xD

[Anonymous No.5169697]

>>5169668

what game is this?

[Anonymous No.5169698]

>>5169697
Not the same anon, but i think it is Blade.

[Anonymous No.5169705]

>>5169697
>>5169698
It IS Blade for GBC.

[Anonymous No.5169795]

Shaders are fine, tacky borders are disgusting though

[Anonymous No.5169796]

>>5168518
>What are your thoughts on shaders?
Essential.
Take this webm for example, this is Shin Butouden on the Sega Saturn, the quality of the sprite is REALLY rough, but it was kinda okay with composite cables on a CRT in the 90s, if you try to just emulate without anything on of it is EXTREMELY rough and it kinda kills the experience, but with the GTUV50 shader you get a similar effect on the sprites (another game that goes well with this shader is the 3DO Yu Yu Hakusho).
It's the same as using a composite cable with a genuine CRT?
No, and it will never be.
But is much better than the raw image, only retards think otherwise.

[Anonymous No.5169904]

Ok so.... shaders. I played with shaders for months now. Bloom,convergence settings, humbars etc etc, And here is the thing you fucking retards don't want to hear. LCD panels FUCKING SUCK.

No fucking shader will replicate the warm glow and brilliant luminosity of a CRT. It is not fucking possible. End of story.

[Anonymous No.5169918]

if it doesn't look like this, then i aint playing it. i need it so seem like someone rubbed Vaseline all over my eyeballs

[Anonymous No.5169948]

>>5168518
Hyllian or bust. It's all I ever need. Shit even makes 2D games that aren't made for a TV look good.

The effect isn't as present with 3D games though.

[Anonymous No.5170097]

>>5169918
Perfection. This is how the artists intended it to look. Everything blends together so nicely

[Anonymous No.5170107]

>>5169416
>>5169575
>>5169615
Not retro, btw

[Anonymous No.5170123]

>>5168619
honestly without the bars that would look pretty accurate to an old wood crt i had

[Anonymous No.5170169]

*path utterly blocked*

[Anonymous No.5170183]

>>5170169
BASED

[Anonymous No.5170187]

>>5170169
Anti-CRT/shader fags absolutely D E S T R O Y E D

[Anonymous No.5170195]

>>5170169
>muh clean pixels

[Anonymous No.5170232]

>>5170169
Pixel-loving zoomers btfo

[Anonymous No.5170353]

>>5168518
>using autism CRT shaders
Lel. I just use the hq4x shaders.

[Anonymous No.5170356]

>>5170353
>Not Super xbr
If you’re going to use a mud filter at least go the distance.

[Anonymous No.5170392]

>>5170356
Don't even know what that is. I'm just using the ones for MyBoy.

[Anonymous No.5170393]

>>5170392
>MyGoy
Install RetroArch you queer

[Anonymous No.5170397]

>>5169561
>▶
>>5169561
but i dont want to play on a tiny 14" or 21" crt and no way im gonna put in my house a fucking 29"crt
When i was younger i was tired by the lack of resolution of the games, now im tired by the tearing and shitty scrolls but im not dumb enough to go backwards.

I already know that the feels i get playing when i was younger are impossible to emulate or revive so i preffer to keep it as simple as possible

Also fuck hoarders and rebuyers i just want to buy the games i sold when i was a child and holy shit i paid 30$ for hagane at release and now they want 1.000$ cmon

[Anonymous No.5170501]

>>5168518
> shaders
are for retards
.>>5169796
>Essential
> fake scanlines
> anti-aliasing
>ESSENTIAL
what a retard. it looks like fucking garbage compared to the original. you should be ashamed of yourself for ruining the game's great artwork.
>>5169561
at least some memes are funny. filters are pure fucking cancer.

[Anonymous No.5170618]

>>5170393
Shit UX and UI.

[Anonymous No.5170621]

>>5170501
Subhuman retard piece of shit.

[Anonymous No.5171110]

>>5168518
They're essential if you're playing low res games on a HD/Flat Panel display. Good shaders are customizable so you can tune them to your liking.
Also you can't play retro games on a modern display via emulation at the correct aspect ratio without shaders.
>>5168613
Easymode. Set it up how you like it and dont forget to increase the gamma to at least 2.2 and adjust the sharpness to your liking.

This is the info from the shader itself:

"A flat CRT shader ideally for 1080p or higher displays.

Recommended Settings:

Video
- Aspect Ratio: 4:3
- Integer Scale: Off

Shader
- Filter: Nearest
- Scale: Don't Care

Example RGB Mask Parameter Settings:

Aperture Grille (Default)
- Dot Width: 1
- Dot Height: 1
- Stagger: 0

Lottes' Shadow Mask
- Dot Width: 2
- Dot Height: 1
- Stagger: 3"

[Anonymous No.5171116]

>>5171110
Forgot to meantion easymode is one of the only shaders ive found you can run at NON-Integer without destroying the scanlines.

[Anonymous No.5171145]

>>5171110
>>5171116
Nice. How well does easymode handle 480i content? A lot of shaders sperg out when games change their internal resolution.

[Anonymous No.5171569]

>>5170621
> being this mad
> thinks filters on a perfectly fine game is great
works well on 4chan too, faggot. totally doesn't destroy any detail. no, none whatsoever. check it out.

[Anonymous No.5171641]

>>5171569

>>5170621

[Anonymous No.5171949]

Wouldnt a scanline overlay these crt shaders use cover up part of each pixel or does something more complicated happen?

[Anonymous No.5172037]

>>5168518

Most of them overdue the effect. Any screen door effect wasn't visible at the proper distance away from a TV anyway. It would be more realistic to just turn down the sharpness on your TV.

[Anonymous No.5172215]

>>5171110
>>5171116
I've just picked easymode out of the lot ages ago and been using it for most things. I feel validated.

[Anonymous No.5172228]

I admit that I like scanlines since that little bit of separation between pixels space can actually make the spritework look 'rounder' without actually having any significant blur.
The problem is, I don't actually remember seeing scanlines in my childhood. What's closest to my memories of NES is the shittiest shader retroarch has in the ntsc folder.
Maybe I just had a bad TV, or didn't sit close enough to see the fine details.

[Anonymous No.5172236]

Shaders can't mimic how it actually looked. Instead, you get an overly-darkened piece of shit. If you want to see scanlines, get a fucking CRT

You have absolutely zero taste if you can actually stomach looking at a game being emulated with shaders. End of discussion.

[Anonymous No.5172242]

drumpfartbraperino and white pooplelerino

[Anonymous No.5172250]

CRT shaders look pretty nice on a 4K display.

[Anonymous No.5172339]

>>5172236

>>5170621

[Anonymous No.5172343]

Fuck it, may as well post mine. It's a customized easymode-halation with the interlacing off.

[Anonymous No.5172802]

>>5168518
>shaders

sometimes shaders are actually obligatory because the machine being emulated doesn't actually output a color signal, it outputs a stream of extremely high resolution black+white dots which exploits NTSC chroma clock weirdness to fake color. otherwise nah

[Anonymous No.5172825]

>>5169796
>It's the same as using a composite cable with a genuine CRT? No, and it will never be. But is much better than the raw image.
This is correct, but /vr/ is full of 20 somethings that grew up with emulators so of course they're going to disagree since they don't know any better.

[Anonymous No.5173339]

>>5169561
One of these days CRTs will not be usable. What then?

[Anonymous No.5173346]

How much better are CRT shaders at 4K compared to 1080p?

[Anonymous No.5173545]

>>5168518
They can make gba games look great with taking out the saturation.

[Anonymous No.5173562]

>>5173545
that game looks like shit regardless

[Anonymous No.5173587]

>>5173562
Nah

[Anonymous No.5174630]

>>5173339
This really. I love my CRT TV and I love my VGA monitors but that space they take is just too much for me.

I'd prefer them to shaders or filters but I had to move on.

[Anonymous No.5174652]

>>5170169
>>5170183
>>5170195
>>5170232
>Samefagging THIS hard
At least there was an attempt

[Anonymous No.5174714]

>>5173545
Is that filter gba-color? It's a neat attempt, but last time I tried it a lot of colors didn't look right.

[Anonymous No.5174953]

>>5168561
Hell, I did forget that dino crisis environment was 3d. Looks pretty good on pic.

[Anonymous No.5175685]

>>5170169
so is this the best argument for CRT?
right is still better, sorry hipsters
filters are retarded btw

[Anonymous No.5176515]

>>5169668
Is that some motherfucking BLADE?

Man, looking back this game was pretty fucking rad. Shame I could never finish it for whatever reason.

[Anonymous No.5176519]

>>5175685
>right is still better, sorry hipsters

[Anonymous No.5177273]

>>5176519
oh no, I'm being called a zoomer, how can I ever recover?
you can improve it even more if you reduce brightness and make it more blurry, totally and objectively better
find better comparison, because this one is shit

[Anonymous No.5177492]

What kind of person likes "clean" and "sharp" pixels? Serious question, I honestly want to know.

[Anonymous No.5177640]

>>5177492
People who aren't pretentious faggots.

[Anonymous No.5177660]

>>5170169
>>5170183
>>5170187
>>5170195
>>5170232

Go away. Last thread we agreed this image is a shit representation of both CRT and LCD. Only your dumbass thought otherwise.

[Anonymous No.5177672]

>>5170183
I didn't agree to that.

[Anonymous No.5177693]

>>5177273
>make it more blurry, totally and objectively better
This is why you should just play on a CRT, so you don't have to convince yourself that retarded, ugly shit that ruins the original intent is """""objectively better"""""

[Anonymous No.5177701]

>>5168518
>m-maybe if I type a legitimate point like a retard while using a gay meme that will invalidate it!
Not how it works kiddo. Nice redditspacing btw.

[Anonymous No.5177708]

>>5170169
now for an accurate portrayal

[Anonymous No.5177839]

>>5177708
How exactly is the crt version worse??

[Anonymous No.5177850]

>>5177839
Didn't say it was, anon

[Anonymous No.5177853]

>b-b-but muh crisp pixels
This is the easiest way to tell apart real grown ups and young hipsters

[Anonymous No.5177906]

>>5168518
Lookin good

[Anonymous No.5177958]

>people think that static scanlines are accurate recreations of crt pictures
Looking at a crt, you didn't see the scanlines unless you took a picture or there was something wrong with the tv. The scanlines were always moving, ideally fast enough as to be unperceptible.

[Anonymous No.5177963]

>>5168749
It takes way more than that to give me a boner at my age

[Anonymous No.5177967]

>>5177958
don't know about that but there's more to it than just scanlines
square pixels become octogonal phosphors which look more organic
square pixels never existed in the eye of the original artists or players back then
they're further from truth than the emulated crt look

[Anonymous No.5178087]

>>5168529
What shader?

[Anonymous No.5178938]

>>5173346
Depends on the shader. I can't display all the details of CRTroyale on a 1920x1200 monitor despite very low res games. It's like every pixel of the input image needs 8x8 pixels (or so) to be displayed after the shader having been applied. Kinda overkill.

[Anonymous No.5178962]

>>5177273
look at this fucking pathetic goofball who thinks a bright orange monster is scary

[Anonymous No.5178980]

>>5178962
I think Drumpf is very scary. Stupidity and power aren’t a good mix.

[Anonymous No.5179539]

>>5170169
Wat game