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Why didn't the Doomvania subgenre catch on?

>> No.5165787
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5165787

The Undervania genre killed it.

>> No.5165795

Doom games are better when they're shooting games with some exploration, not the other way around

>> No.5165826

because it peaked with system shock.

>> No.5165961

Melee combat in first person was objectively garbage.

>> No.5165981

>>5165784
Stop attaching -vania to things, faggot.

>> No.5165990

What is wrong with you dummies? Hexen rules.

>> No.5165993

but that's a beltscroller-person tansakushootervania

>> No.5166028

it's called powerslave, turok and metroid prime

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>>5165826
You are wrong

>> No.5168485

>>5165981
Go back to /v/, zoomer

>> No.5168490

>>5166156
This game's basically Metroid Prime before Metroid Prime. What an incredible experience

>> No.5168502

>>5168490
Powerslave is underrated both as an FPS and as a video game in general

you can say that about a lot of Saturn games

>> No.5168560

>>5165784
Doom on its own is a -metroid style exploration on the part of its level design, just with the keys/switches instead of abilities.

Hexen puzzles were terribly designed that's why the -vania part didnt catch on.

>> No.5168638

>>5165981
Go back to /v/ania.

>> No.5170593

>>5165784
Because Hexen is a pretty unexciting game.
Strife is better, but not perfect, and nobody played it because it got sandwiched between Duke Nukem 3D and Quake.

>> No.5172034

>>5168560
Hunting for keys and switches was mad gay.

>> No.5172056 [DELETED] 

>>5170593
>tfw you will never be sandwiched between Duke Nukem and the Quake guy

;_;

>> No.5172297

>>5168560
Hexen 2 is better

>> No.5172498

>>5172034
Your mom is mad gay.

>> No.5172505

>>5165784

Tansakuvanias took off in their place.

>> No.5174589

>>5165784
Well maybe because sprite FPS games died off and military shooter took its place.

>> No.5174959

>>5165784
You just reminded me the first time I got quietus as a kid, felt so pumped that when I faced the heresiarch I went head on, perfect distance, so the sword impact and the projectiles hit him.
His reflective shield was on though so I exploded on the spot.

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>>5165784
This is the only proper game of that genre, and it sold beyond horribly

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>>5168485
Using vania as a suffix, is the most zoomer thing you could possibly do.

>> No.5175323

>>5165784
Because it actually predated Doom. If you think about it, Ultima Underworld was basically a 'Doomvania', and if earlier dungeon crawlers had more advanced engines, they would be indistinguishably from 'Doomvanias' themselves. The original concept of Doom actually involved RPG elements as well, but those were scrapped to deliver an experience purely centered around fast-paced action.

>> No.5175357

Yo this game looks fucking badass. I had never even heard of Hexen. Is there a way to play this on console?

>> No.5175373

>>5175038
I'm gonna start tacking "troid" to everything in response. All those games you posted are Castletroids.

>> No.5175426

>>5165784
Troll thread? I'm too drunk to tell, lol.

All the same: what the living fuck are you on about, you fucking weirdo?

>> No.5175436

>>5165784
because it looks like pure autistic shit

>> No.5175457

>>5175357
There was an n64 version

>> No.5175458

>>5165784
you mean daggerfall?

>> No.5175459

>>5175458
>daggerfallvanias

>> No.5175502

>>5175357
Hexen is the motherfucking shit. It's the sequel to Heretic, check that one out too. Also Heretic 2.

>> No.5175505

because hunting for switches in a labirynth full of samey textures sucks

thankfully deathkings of dark citadel put the Doom back into hexen

hexen 2 is a bit better in that regard but sometimes it's hard to tell if something you did changed something in the level and where like the hidden shrine that opens a random ass door and it doesn't tell you

>> No.5176618

>>5174998
What game be this

>> No.5176661

>>5175458
Stygian abyss

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>> No.5178625

>>5178238
Hexercise is alright, though I prefer Wrath of Cronos.

>> No.5178769

>>5166156
This game and guardian heroes were the reason I never sold my saturn, it is criminally underrated.
The only bad thing I can think of is that in the first levels the rng can screw you.
This and turok 2 are the answers for OP.

>> No.5178862

>>5178625
That's Brutal Hexen.

>> No.5179224

>>5178862
Oh, right, the thing Hexercise is built on top of.

>> No.5179239
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Because Doom had a big focus on blending action and navigation/exploration/dungeons.
Doom 2 failed to focus on the latter part, while improving gameplay by adding more weapons and enemy types.
Hexen and a lot of Doomclones really fail to make as compelling maps as Doom had, reducing the greatness of them as games. The same is to some degree true for Quake, where the maps are not that great.

>> No.5180268

>>5168502
unlike the n64, where everything is overrated and geoman is a "hidden gem". fuckin retards

>> No.5180269

>>5174589
fucking worst choice in gaming fads. it was great at first, but call of duty killed it, then halo came back and made sure it was dead

>> No.5180306

whatchoo think about doom roguelikes?

>> No.5180314

Why didn't Beltscrolllervaniaunderroguesoulslikes catch on?

>> No.5181828

>>5165784
1/64th of the unspecified puzzle has been unlocked somewhere.

>> No.5182476

>>5176618
http://amuletsandarmor.com/

>> No.5182487

>>5165784
people stopped making new ones. there were like 2 steam greenlight games that will never be released that got green lit

making assets is more time consuming because of more angles things have to be represented from so most wont bother . big companies would rather just use meshes and indie guys seemed to have mostly died off in a event we will know little of even decades later potentially

>> No.5182495

>>5165784
If we're talking seriously, about shooters with a metroidvania world design... Because nobody wants to backtrack through old areas, that are either empty, or have the same enemies respawn. That's the same reason why levels got simpler and more linear over time (e.g. Modern Warfare levels are glorified corridors, while Wolf 3D levels are labirynths).

People expect interconnectivity and puzzles from action-adventure games or platformers, while historically pretty much all FPS games were pure non-stop action with no real time to think.

If you ask me, this kind of design COULD make a resurgence in something like Portal or Mirror's Edge, because you already spend some time on thinking.