/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.5143057]

No better time to have a diablo thread with the franchise basically dead

[Anonymous No.5143236]

Diablo 2 came out in 2000 and is not retro by this board's rules.

[Anonymous No.5143289]

Feels bad frens

[Anonymous No.5143332]

the hero blizzard needs but not the one it deserves

[Anonymous No.5143401]

>>5143289
>the series won't be further shit on by a new awful triple A release
Feels great

[Anonymous No.5143406]

>>5143401
yeah this. 3 was trash, besides we don't need endless sequels to good games. so meh, don't care.

[Anonymous No.5143408]

>>5143401
>he dosent know
The mobile game demo had a “sync to game option” and Blizzard stated the their is more Diablo news for PC players start of next year.

[Anonymous No.5143409]

>>5143401
>>5143406
Imagine a Diablo 2 remaster with an Act VI tho.

[Anonymous No.5143423]

>>5143401
yeah i'm hoping fallout 1 and 2 get their legacies sealed after a certain upcoming game kills the franchise

[Anonymous No.5143469]

>>5143236
Hurray for mod censorship!

[Anonymous No.5143496]

Diablo died with Blizzard North. RIP.

[Anonymous No.5143613]

werewolf or werebear?

[Anonymous No.5143720]

>>5143613
werebear

get the minimum strength for a maul, and dump E V E R Y T H I N G in vitality

you'll have like 800hp by the time you reach andariel, and the maul gets a normal/fast attack speed in werebear form

[Anonymous No.5143789]

>>5143469
>>5143236

>game nearly 19 years old
>still using sprites
>not retro enough for /vr/

lol

[Anonymous No.5143801]

>>5143057
Is Diablo 1 worth it vanilla or should I do Belzebub for first time?

[Anonymous No.5143856]

>>5143613
werewolf if you can find a fast damaging weapon, Ribcracker is fantastic for this purpose.
werebear if you want to be tankier, they generally go with slower, high damaging weapons if they go Maul skill. IK weapon is decent here.
werebear if you want to go fireclaws (you can murder everything up to Nightmare A5 with a dagger of quickness plus you get to level up as Fire Druid which eviscerates Normal)

[Anonymous No.5143998]

I'm having really shit luck in d2 right now, I haven't got a single decent drop since act 2, now I'm at diablo and doing fuck all damage because all my gear is crap.
I used all my money just to get him to half health.

[Anonymous No.5144006]

>>5143057
>the franchise basically dead

>announce 3 Diablo projects upcoming
>the first one is a mobile game
>fan community declares the franchise dead
>thus removing any incentive for the other 2 projects to see the light of day

Great job, idiots.

[Anonymous No.5144007]

>>5143801
Belzebub is a piece of shit. it adds resolution options but locks it behind oc donut steele modifications.
then again, I'm very critical of mods in general.

you may want to try Hellfire for the extra classes alone. if there's one thing the first Diablo did wrong was being over reliant on spells.
just ignore everything else about Hellfire and you'll be fine.

[Anonymous No.5144010]

>>5144006
>implying Blizzard cares about consumers
if they did Immortal wouldn't be a thing.

that Diablo redesign tho
step up from femBlo

[Anonymous No.5144012]

>>5144006
>port projects arent part of their diablo projects

lel

[Anonymous No.5144216]

>>5144007
someone should fork infernity so it only has QoL improvements like:
hd
run in town
alt to see item names

and not the shit like:
magic items with 3 traits

[Anonymous No.5145042]

>>5143998
I've been looking for a Tal Rasha amulet for so long now....I've probably seen 100 set amulets, but not the one I want.

[Anonymous No.5145091]

>>5143057
Get comfy lads
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcTAVQYMZv0

[Anonymous No.5145101]

>>5144216
>and not the shit like:
>magic items with 3 traits

>Features: A new difficulty called Inferno. On Inferno magic and unique items can have an additional affix, which doesn't follow the usual limitations - for example you could get a ring with +2 to spells or 300% damage to demons.

I don't see the problem here. Just don't play it on Inferno.

[Anonymous No.5145115]

I roll characters with a friend every few years. This time i am playing with a friend who hasnt played since LoD was new. It's cool seeing him experience the extreme nostalgia this game brings.

Started a barb named SarenaWilliams. Tell me how to not fuck up my stats.

[Anonymous No.5145129]

>>5145115
str for gear, dex if you want max block, rest vitality

[Anonymous No.5145175]

>>5143057
What do you mean? They just announced a new game!

[Anonymous No.5145193]

>>5143057
>with the franchise basically dead
It died fucking years ago, unless you're one of those dumb fucks who ate up the abortion that was Diablo 3.

Tyrael flinging his sword into the world stone was a decent way to end the series, and all the story they came up with for Diablo afterwards should be disregarded by anyone and everyone.
>DURR ADRIA WAS THE BAD GUY ALL ALONG
Fuck you Metzen!

>>5143801
Vanilla is good, but may not run easily on modern PCs.
I like Belzebub a lot, but mind also that I'm a person who played Diablo a lot over two decades, and I've seen all there is to possibly see in the original game.
Belzebub adds a lot of neat new content, most of it made from unused Beta/Alpha content, something which Hellfire also did, except done FAR better, and without being a broken mess.

It is not for everyone, however.

[Anonymous No.5145207]

>>5144007
>oc donut steele modifications
Large amounts of this was things which was scrapped in the original game's development, then either recycled for Hellfire, or reused for Diablo 2. It overall does a much better job with the assets than Synergistic Software did, and it's different enough from what Diablo 2 did with the same ideas that I find it neat and refreshing enough.

>then again, I'm very critical of mods in general.
Well yeah, then its really not for you.
I'll say that just a basic Windows 10 compatible port of Diablo with resolution options, and no new fancy things, would be nice to have.

>just ignore everything else about Hellfire
As flawed as Hellfire is, I do like a FEW of the new things.
The new music was cool, the hive would probably be pretty neat if you switched out most of the enemies, and the crypt tileset could probably be used for something neat if you made it generate in a new way, instead of just recycling the church layout algorithms but with less things in it.

I fucking hate that unique items are impossible to find though, that's an inexcusable bug.

[Anonymous No.5145217]

>>5143801
I started playing vanilla today and its fine. Its my first time tho, so maybe i dont know what mods i am missing.

[Anonymous No.5145250]

>>5145217
If the game runs for you, then I don't think you really need any mods, the base game is pretty solid as is, though some mods could be interesting to check out at a later time, depending on what you like.

Some beginner's advice:
>neon yellow zombies permanently steal one HP from you with every successful hit, the game doesn't tell you this, and you will never get them back, avoid melee with these guys at any cost
>shrines vary dramatically in what they do, either doing something nice for you, or something particularly cruel, I'd recommend making a save before touching a shrine, to see what it actually does, then examining your stats, item conditions, and spell levels
>keep an eye on equipment durability, if it runs out, the item breaks and is gone forever
>powerful late game spells like Chain Lightning can be an absolute lifesaver, and just a good and powerful attack in general, but mind that the vanilla game has a limit for 255 sprites on screen at a time, so if there's too many items and decorations/bodies/projectiles on screen, you may find that you won't get the full (if any) effect from some spells in an absolute emergency of trying to save yourself from a horde of monsters

[Anonymous No.5145265]

>>5145217
Belzebub is recommended mostly for qol improvements. Walking at turtle speed in tristram, looting being a pain because of no object highlighting and 24fps can get old
Also belzebub adds some cut content like a butcher cutscene and cut quests. Shareable stash is pretty nice too

[Anonymous No.5145282]

>>5145265
Honestly it's a lot more than just quality of life improvements (though the storage, the larger gold stacks, and being able to carry a backup weapon setup, that shit is extremely nice to have).
I'd almost call it "Diablo 1 And A Half". For someone who always felt Diablo 1 had a much better atmosphere and visual style than 2 (which I do still like), it's a very nice compromise for me.

[Anonymous No.5145286]

>>5145101
That's the thing with Belzebub, it ramps up the difficulty curve for the game in some ways, and even offers an extra challenging mode.
To me, That's A Good Thing(tm).

I like when a game offers the player the option to challenge himself much further than the basic difficulties.

[Anonymous No.5145293]

>>5143998
What build are you making? Most builds can rely just on cheap runewords.

[Anonymous No.5145307]

Lightning sorc is the best the best build in the game

[Anonymous No.5145317]

>>5143998
maybe grind for an amn rune, you can make a strength runeword (amn rune + tir rune in melee weapon) which allows you to kill high hp monsters exponentially faster via crushing blow, that can carry you well into nightmare until you find an io rune for a black runeword

[Anonymous No.5145331]

>>5145307
>slowest cast rate in the game, arguably second if you want to include vampirified necromancer
>huge damage variation forcing you into hitting enemies more times than you should need to
>pretty much requires Infinity to be fun
Bhammers are still the king, kiddo.

[Anonymous No.5145336]

>>5145331
not the same anon but I can go weeks spamming nova.
it just never gets old.

I wish D2 had the Apoc spell as well.

[Anonymous No.5145343]

>>5145193
>and I've seen all there is to possibly see in the original game
have you ever seen a stealthy bard?
it's possibly the most unique build in the game, and yet the most absurd to grind.

[Anonymous No.5145351]

>>5144007
Unlocking resolution and framerate was easy for one guy, but it's too difficult for anyone to make a separate mod just with those 2 things?

[Anonymous No.5145358]

>>5145336
>I wish D2 had the Apoc spell as well.
You can mod in skills really easily. Just a few column changes will turn fireball into apocalypse.

[Anonymous No.5145384]

>>5143409
I would drop everything and get a divorce just to play that game
I would go to jail
god dammit I would sell my house

[Anonymous No.5145387]

>>5143057
my dad bought me the battle chest for 30 bucks great times man
I'll give this to my son

[Anonymous No.5145394]

>>5145358
I remember reading something like that but can you make it deal set physical damage? like the original?

[Anonymous No.5145402]

>>5145394
>can you make it deal set physical damage
Yes. All you'd have to do is use the holy column (lets you choose what types of monsters it ignores the immunities of) which blessed hammer uses and change the elemental damage values to physical damage values.

[Anonymous No.5145423]

>>5145343
>have you ever seen a stealthy bard?
I actually have not.

>it's possibly the most unique build in the game, and yet the most absurd to grind.
I can imagine. I always knew that light radius would affect how monsters would detect you, but I always refrained from trying out any such builds, because you'd basically have to rely constantly on infravision, lest you just stumble into monsters in the dark.

[Anonymous No.5145435]

>>5145423
scrolls are fine, the real problem is getting -light radius gear.
it stops dropping at a certain clvl if memory serves.

then again, optimal bards need to grind Wirt for proper daggers at something like clvl 8, so whatever.
if you're doing this to yourself you might as well go all the way.

but I believe they can oneshot Diablo before he even notices you.

[Anonymous No.5145468]

>>5143801
Play Vanilla the first time! Belzebub can be nice, but it buries everything under loads and loads of grinding. Vanilla can be completed in one playthrough as long as you aren't an idiot, but Belzebub demands that you go back and grind mini-dungeons over and over just to buff your numbers.

[Anonymous No.5145521]

>>5145343
>stealthy bard
Do you have a link? Googling turned up nothing at all.

[Anonymous No.5145526]

>>5143801
All games worth playing are worth doing so vanilla the first time unless there are absolute game-breaking bugs or incompatibilities that need to be addressed.

[Anonymous No.5145529]

reminder MXL is a good mod and not every build is a seizure inducing proc fest and a new patch is out next month so come play ladder with us faggots also Sigma closed beta soon its finally happening

[Anonymous No.5145717]

>>5145091
>comfy
>caves music comes on

[Anonymous No.5145795]

I got Hellfire but I’m unable to play as the Bard. Selecting the class just shows the Rogue’s portrait and starts the game as her. What gives?

[Anonymous No.5145798]

>>5145795
bard is an unfinished class, it uses rogue sprites but has different stats

[Anonymous No.5145803]

>>5145798
That is very strange, but thanks for letting me know my install isn’t fucked

[Anonymous No.5145815]

>>5145803
Yeah, you need to apply ye old command.txt

[Anonymous No.5145823]

>>5143057
So i've never played any diablo except for a mod of Diablo 2 - "Requiem of Sorrow". I played it with a friend years ago and it was a fantastic multiplayer experience.
1) Does anyone remember this mod? I still have the install files but there is hardly any mention of it. I'm wondering if it was ever a popular, or whether there are/were a plethora of relatively unknown d2 mods.
2) Is D2 modding and multiplayer still alive?
3) If i liked this D2 mod, am i likely to like other diablo games?

[Anonymous No.5146096]

I've recently picked up D2 again but damn, as an anon said in a thread before, everyone on bnet just wants to rush rush rush. I just want to go through the acts killing things leisurely with other people.

[Anonymous No.5146120]

>>5146096
>I just want to go through the acts killing things leisurely with other people.
organise a lan party

[Anonymous No.5146170]

>>5146096
I played in single player a few months ago, and it felt great. Hadn't played in years, but the last time I had actually "cleared" the game from begining to end was even further back.

Act 3 especially, I remember it sucking but it wasn't that bad.

[Anonymous No.5146356]

>>5146096
Yeah, you pretty much need to arrange with a pal to play together to get that on battlenet now.
But it's a real fun adventure when you do.

[Anonymous No.5146515]

>>5145823
Coincidentally, I am playing through it right now. It was kind of popular, it had its own PlanetDiablo site, had a D2mods section and is on a Diablo wiki. And yes, there are a plethora of unknown Diablo 2 mods, many of which are no longer possible to download.
>Is D2 modding still alive
There are still quite a few modders around. It has definitely slowed down, though.
>Is D2 modding multiplayer still alive
MXL and Path of Diablo are your only choices, it is pretty dead.
>If i liked this D2 mod, am i likely to like other diablo games?
Probably. They are all very similar.

[Anonymous No.5147279]

>>5146515
You know where the latest download link is? A lof are either dead or re-route to another site

[Anonymous No.5147297]

>>5145307
too many immunes and cast speed is too slow. Go cold/light hybrid and let the merc finish off anything with both.

[Anonymous No.5147320]

>>5145250
>neon yellow zombies permanently steal one HP from you with every successful hit, the game doesn't tell you this, and you will never get them back, avoid melee with these guys at any cost
fun fact and a commonly known exploit: if you're capable of abusing Mana Shield (e.g. be a Sorcerer) you can use Black Death's life steal attack to set your max HP to 1, and when you have Mana Shield on, the game thinks every attack should kill you, so it doesn't bother rendering you getting hit, so in effect you can never be put in a stunlock. The behavior acts like either Fastest Hit Recovery or even better.

[Anonymous No.5147323]

"Franchise basically dead' Oh you mean besides the fact that it literally just arrived on Switch with it's own edition and content?

[Anonymous No.5147325]

>>5147323
> "dying"

[Anonymous No.5147327]

The sanctity of this place has been fouled!

[Anonymous No.5147328]

>>5147323
Allen, your Switch port of an otherwise abandoned game is not retro. I considered D3 a decent way to spend a few bucks and like 80 hours, but let it go already.

[Anonymous No.5147338]

>>5146096
>>5146170
More fun playing single player anyway, because multiplayer makes silly builds suck balls because the monsters get too powered up.

[Anonymous No.5147340]

>>5147338
Bruh, that's not how D2 single or multi works, you have the same amount of HP and damage in either depending on the /players value.
Multiplayer Diablo 1 had Normal Multiplayer have harder monsters than Diablo's Singleplayer mode.
Since Single Player is the most reliable way to play /players 8 and you can't trade with anyone you could argue SP is potentially the hardest game mode

[Anonymous No.5147353]

>>5145193
I thought 3 was fun...

[Anonymous No.5147358]

>>5147353
i did too, but it's only fun for a little while and then there's not much substance aside
it doesn't satisfy oddball build fags, it doesn't satisfy PvP fags, it doesn't satisfy itemization fags
it's a competently made game taken in a direction that most fans of D1/2 just didn't care for
i wouldn't even have bought it if it weren't on a massive sale

[Anonymous No.5147371]

>>5147323
>Diablo 3
>not last week's reheated backalley abortion

[Anonymous No.5147372]

>>5147353
Yes it is fun, sure. It's also laughably casual. Fucking Frogger has more depth.

If it didn't feel good to play, it would have died years ago.

[Anonymous No.5147386]

>>5147325
Get back to me with a compatibility port of the original game for Windows 10.
I'll even go so far as to pay 10 bucks for it if you do nothing to fuck with it but add some resolution options.

[Anonymous No.5147409]

>>5147386
why the fuck would I want a compatibility port to Win10? It's on a portable system for a reason. The franchise isn't dead. Blizzard just doesn't produce mass produced and constantly updated crap to shove in the faces of their audiences. They put out material slowly and methodically.

[Anonymous No.5147414]

>>5147409
>reading comprehension

[Anonymous No.5147469]

>>5147279
I'm kind of amazed that the downloads are all down for it, usually at least D2mods will have a link.

https://mega.nz/#!hTpEwIwD!JttAc-xXr-EnO4hSKzWqu5VkiaRPO40bBWLdh6ImsDI
You'll probably want D2SE to run this.

[Anonymous No.5147490]

>>5147469
Cheers mate, you're a real human bean.

[Anonymous No.5147552]

>>5147469
Really enjoying this. Looks very well done. Lots of stuff to farm for.

[Anonymous No.5147596]

>>5147325

[Anonymous No.5147675]

>>5147469
Not sure if it's useful to upload, but i have both 6.01 and 6.08 installers.

[Anonymous No.5147698]

>>5143057
>all this salt over a phone game.
so other than being a poorly timed announcement followed by some really bad PR damage control what exactly did i miss?

the gameplay trailer makes it look like diablo 3.

>>5143423
if ESO didn't kill elder scrolls then it's doubtful that 76 will kill fallout.

[Anonymous No.5147901]

>>5147323
>>5147325
I think when people say Diablo is dead, they mean it's spiritually dead. They no longer feel the magic in the modern additions to the series.

[Anonymous No.5147949]

>>5143057
Long time not playing this game.

I download it 2 days ago, and im having a great time in single player, with my Sorc lvl 12 killing hordes of demons.

Not going to waste a single second (or cent) on that crap of Diablo Immortal.

[Anonymous No.5147956]

>>5147698
>all this salt over a phone game.

Its not about the phone game. They can have that. Its about them shitting on one of the best and most beloved games of owr childhood.

Its about them not giving a damn about their fans.

Its about them taking a hot shit over their fans, that pay money to go to an event only to hear news about Blizz games.

And its the sentiment that they really don't need to do any of that. They can make the f***ing mobile game without the Diablo Skin and still make a shitload of money. They just chose to take a crap on owr memories on the way there, just for the lulz.

[Anonymous No.5147970]

>>5147956
>They can make the f***ing mobile game without the Diablo Skin and still make a shitload of money
Yeah, if their new game is so good (but it's not), they could release it under its own IP instead of ruining the memory and artstyle of such an amazing franchise. This is true for Diablo 3 too, god I can't stomach that awful WoW artstyle. They should have made it as a warcraft dungeon crawling game, it would have respected the artstyle and even rekindled the warcraft IP.

Instead, what they do is make a mediocre uninspired game no one will remember or care about in 5 years, and call it diablo, because look guys, this is diablo, diablo is good.

[Anonymous No.5148018]

>>5147956
>>5147970
i think you're overreacting a bit.

[Anonymous No.5148025]

itt: babbies crying

[Anonymous No.5148048]

>>5148025
pretty much this.

i thought metroid, resident evil & fallout had some pretty autistic fans but rants like >>5147956 & >>5147970 really take the cake.

[Anonymous No.5148053]

>>5148025
>>5148048
like 2% of the posts are about the blizzcon fiasco in spite of the OP, everything else is /vr/ gameplay and mods

you're just jerking one another off

[Anonymous No.5148083]

>>5148053
i was just putting in my 2 cents on the matter. almost every game has a phone spin off nowadays and nobody gives a shit but diablo gets one and it's the fucking holocaust?

if they either announced a real diablo game alongside this or didn't open blizzcon with it nobody would have given a shit.

[Anonymous No.5148093]

>>5148083
>almost every game has a phone spin off nowadays and nobody gives a shit but diablo gets one and it's the fucking holocaust?
yeah it's like dungeon keeper and c&c didn't get destroyed when they were announced
>if they either announced a real diablo game alongside this or didn't open blizzcon with it nobody would have given a shit.
yeah we know and most of us acknowledge that
but they didn't do the sensible thing and fucked up the presentation in ten thousand ways
so they get shit for it

[Anonymous No.5148101]

>>5148083
>diablo 1 and 2 are amazing games still played to this day
>diablo 3 is hyped up
>diablo 3 is released
>always online
>RMAH
>more focus on the lackluster story than the actual gameplay
>we wus archangels n shiet
>RMAH
>dark and gritty environments turned into poorly lit claymation sets
>endgame content is so bad they have to rework it three times
>glaring flaws not fixed for years
>reaper of souls only just begins to fix most of the issues and playability
>diablo 3 rehashes being released
>endless of god with a diablo 3 reskin announced

people are sick of blizzards continuous shit concerning diablo, not solely because a mobile game was released

[Anonymous No.5148107]

[Anonymous No.5148108]

>>5148093
>yeah it's like dungeon keeper and c&c didn't get destroyed when they were announced
I've literally heard fuck all about them

[Anonymous No.5148123]

I tried Diablo 1 and never finished it because i got bored

I tried Torchlight 1 or 2 and never finished it because it was repetitive and boring

Is Diablo 2 the answer?

[Anonymous No.5148129]

>>5148123
>dont like arpg looters
>is another classic arpg looter the answer

path of exile has a pokemon feature if youre looking for something different

[Anonymous No.5148131]

>>5148123
Judging by your enjoymeny of those games, I would say it is probably your last option.
Or you just don't like the genre.

[Anonymous No.5148136]

>>5148123
it's okay to not enjoy arpgs anon, try something else.
if you need something primarily concerned with hack and slash that plays differently, try divine divinity or icewind dale

[Anonymous No.5148137]

>>5148123
I'm the opposite - really liked Diablo, for how simple and atmospheric it is. Replayed it several times. But finished Diablo 2 only once, and dropped every singke non-retro arpg looter. So there is chance that you might like 2 more.

[Anonymous No.5148157]

>>5148123
i used to like them as i kid but i kinda find loot based RPGs kinda boring now.

fallout 4 & the division were probably the first ones i liked in a long time and that was more because of the world space than anything else.

[Anonymous No.5148182]

>>5147353
The base game was shit, but Reaper of Souls was actually fucking good.

If you played RoS, it was almost as good as D2. Problem is, first D3 team (led by Jay Wilson) fucked the game's launch so badly that everything after 2012 flew in completely under the radar. Very few Diablo fans know Reaper of Souls even exists.

[Anonymous No.5148218]

>>5148182
i agree with you, D3 was good for exactly one playthrough and i couldnt manage to get through the game again with different characters

but probably a year after RoS release i played again, and it was actually fuckin playable

the environments for RoS were much closer to D2 in feel and atmosphere, and the demons and undead felt less like wildlife and more like the unnatural threat they were supposed to be

[Anonymous No.5148226]

>>5143409
>Diablo 2 remaster
this

we need to remaster this game so nobody is going to comit gaming necromancie

[Anonymous No.5148251]

>>5143409
>diablo immortal takes place in the events after diablo 2
>perfect for making a 6th act in diablo 2
>lets make a mobile game