/vr/ shmups

[Anonymous No.5135521]

I'm a totally newbie when it comes to these types of games, but I've been playing a lot of Ikaruga and I'm loving the shit out of it. So, could rec me some great titles for retro fun?

[Anonymous No.5135529]

I'm also new but I'd recommend Thunder Force III and IV for Genesis, Einhander for PSX and Strikers 1945 for arcade.

[Anonymous No.5135643]

>>5135521
Raiden 1 is GOD.

[Anonymous No.5135648]

>>5135521
PC Engine is usually regarded as "the shooter console", but Genesis and Saturn have some great titles as well

Try

Soldier Blade (PCE)
Gley Lancer (MD)
Slap Fight (MD)
Air Zonk (PCE)
Gradius (PCE)
Ray Force (Saturn)
Gate of Thunder (PCE)
Parodius Da! (SNES)

[Anonymous No.5135653]

Giga Wing, R-Type, Air Duel, Raiden 2 and Fighters Jet, Aero Fighters 3, Radiant Silvergun, DonPachi, Tempest 2000, the Ray trilogy, In The Hunt, and Mars Matrix are ones I love to hell and back. Do CPS2 titles count as retro? Progear is the shit too.

[Anonymous No.5135696]

Super fun shooter with sick graphics and music. Classic Toaplan quality.

Raiden 1 is ok, I think Raiden 2 is more fun.

[Anonymous No.5135732]

>>5135696
Raiden 2 is probably the only shmup I know of where everyone I know of has played it. Old CiCi's pizza in my town had it and Hydro Thunder before they shut down.

[Anonymous No.5135746]

So is Gradius a terrible game to start with or do I just suck?

[Anonymous No.5135751]

>>5135746
Gradius requires memorization and strategy right off the bat almost, and you have to no death it for an easier time. Nemesis arcade is substantially easier for beginners because it spams power ups at you after you die, making recoveries easy. Flying Shark or Batsugun are better if you want something more relaxed, Batsugun Special ver. even more so.

[Anonymous No.5135756]

>>5135746
if you want Gradius, try Gradius Gaiden (Japan PSX release only), or for questionably-retro you can try the Gradius Collection on PSP which has the arcade versions of 1, 2, 3, Gaiden, and 4, and gives you the option to use a smaller hitbox.

[Anonymous No.5135773]

>>5135521
Since this is the shmup thread, what is y'alls thoughts on autofire?
Most old shmups require you to button mash, do you think it's unfair or improper to utilize autofire in games that weren't designed that way (particularly in arcades, for example Strikers 1945, where a turbo controller was not an option).
Modern shmups have done away with mashing all together, and re-releases of old shmups usually have an autofire option. Is button mashing just an antiquated mechanic? is there a defense in favor of mashing?

[Anonymous No.5135789]

>>5135773
usually there are a limited number of bullets that can be on screen in these games, so autofire can screw you if it fires too many bullets and you don't have one when you need it. aside from that specific situation, button mashing is a dumb mechanic and was probably introduced to make the game look more frantic to arcade goers, since even ancient games like Space Invaders had autofire.

[Anonymous No.5135792]

>>5135773
Nobody really cares, neither in the west or in japan. Cabs had autofire buttons, players use them all the time, scores and 1ccs are gotten with autofire with no one batting an eye as long as it's specified. It's up to you if you feel like the challenge is worth it, I don't think so because it's not only an annoying skill to learn but also dangerous. If you feel like a game's trivialized by autofire, just reduce the frequency.

[Anonymous No.5135891]

I can't tell any of the PCE vertical shooters apart...
which one is an especially good one?

[Anonymous No.5136282]

>>5135696
I always read that logo as "Dayyum"

[Anonymous No.5136307]

I'd suggest Battle Mania Daiginjou (or Trouble Shooter Vintage). It's one of THE best shooters on any system, not just the Genesis.

Only play the prequel first if you really want to experience that feel of upgrading to Daiginjou. It's a rare case of the sequel actually being the better game. Literally everything a sequel needs to be

[Anonymous No.5136581]

>>5135891
Soldier Blade
Nexzr
Gunhed and Spriggan are both spiritual Aleste games
Galaga 88
Sapphire (it's ok but some swear by it)

[Anonymous No.5136609]

batsugun special
shmupg on /vg/ loves newbies btw

[Anonymous No.5136664]

>>5136307
Is this the one with the flying super marios?

[Anonymous No.5136678]

PCE has one called Override.
It's not mind blowing but I always thought it was pretty solid and fun

[Anonymous No.5136687]

Everyone knows Tyrian is objectively the best shmup ever made.

[Anonymous No.5137120]

>Want to get into scoring shmups but I hate youtubing "monkey see, monkey do"

[Anonymous No.5137127]

>>5135792
What's a good frequency to go for (MAME)?

[Anonymous No.5137343]

>>5135751
isn't nemesis much harder in every aspect except for what you mentioned? i think the rank actually increases faster. tcrf had a list of differences but i'm on a phone right now. i remember enemies being much more aggressive on stage 1.

[Anonymous No.5137806]

>>5137127
That depends on the game, but usually 20-30hz is good enough.

[Anonymous No.5137918]

>>5137120
>when you're the "copymonkey" spamming faggot from shmupg, and you really want to shitpost in a vr thread, but you know you gotta be subtle

[Anonymous No.5139238]

>>5136307
>It's a rare case of the sequel actually being the better game.
lmao what it's rare that's NOT the case in terms of games. You're thinking of movies. But, yeah, I haven't played this in ages, might have to give it another go soon.

[Anonymous No.5139258]

>>5137343
Yes the rank rises faster but the easy recoveries still make it easier than Gradius, especially with how many extends the game throws at you and the rank dropping A LOT upon death

[Anonymous No.5139261]

>>5136678
Override is a lot of fun
also has a sequel on x68000 called "Last Battalion"

[Anonymous No.5139292]

>>5135521
R type and darius twin are required if you got a snes or use a emulator. i preferred darius twin personally as there are 2 separate paths for bosses that cris cross you can work through while Rtype felt more confined in the boss battles themselves despite the fact you have the same amount of screen space

[Anonymous No.5139303]

>>5139292
OP please don't play R-Type and Darius 2 on a fucking SNES, jesus christ.

[Anonymous No.5139567]

>>5139292
Super R-Type is a fucking mess and III is a snooze.

[Anonymous No.5139779]

>>5135521
Is it true the 2P blue ship has a faster move speed

[Anonymous No.5139821]

>>5135521

Raiden Trad on the Genesis/ Mega Drive with the arcade sprite/ colour hack is a fantastic version of the game:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzQlrEiGDO4

[Anonymous No.5139829]

>>5139292
Darius Twin is the epitome of mediocrity, if you wanna play shmups stay away from SNES

[Anonymous No.5139876]

>>5136664
Yeah it's pretty funny actually

[Anonymous No.5139883]

Twinbee (Famicom)
Keio Flying Squadron (Sega CD)
I know most of /vr/'d hate me for saying this, but emulate Keio. Don't spend $200 on the original thing.

[Anonymous No.5139914]

>>5139779
Blue ship in 1 is the same as red ship, however the game's difficulty is slightly lower with it.
In II and DX, blue ship is faster while moving horizontally, while the red one is so when moving vertically. Due to how the game works (such as the hitbox shrinking when you move to one side long enough and the pattern design, this also happens in 1) blue is still the recommended one.

/jarpig/ please don't ban me and remove all my posts for this informative post.

[Anonymous No.5139928]

>>5136687
Unironically this.

[Anonymous No.5140102]

>>5139914
>/jarpig/ please don't ban me and remove all my posts for this informative post.
Why can't you just make the informative post without all the passive aggressive asshurt? No one needs to know, nor do they even care, that you're from /shmupg/. So why announce it?

[Anonymous No.5140110]

>>5140102
Because that's what happens every time I post in the board, shmup threads in particular are quite highly monitored. I ask for that one to be spared since I just want to help that anon. Besides, nothing was said about /shmupg/.

[Anonymous No.5140131]

>>5139914
>jarpigs
I'm a JRPG player but god damn that got me hard

[Anonymous No.5140135]

>>5140131
What do you mean?

[Anonymous No.5140143]

>>5140102
If that was ricky it's because the assblasted jarpig mod bans spanish IPs on sight.

[Anonymous No.5140150]

>>5140143
Yes, but maybe not that, a Spanish one that also happens to talk about shmups. There are at least a couple of othe Spanish regulars on the board, including one I know personally but he has barely played shmups.

[Anonymous No.5140157]

>>5139829
There are a couple good shmups on SNES - UN Squadron for example is amazing and Axelay isn't terrible. Generally the Genesis and Turbografx-16 are better though, and if you have a decent PC MAME is the best. Currently my PC is a piece of shit without a sound card so I play most of my shmups on Genesis and PSX.

[Anonymous No.5140162]

>>5140131
The "jarpig" insult isn't directed towards all JRPG players, it's meant for people who only play JRPGs and despise skill-based games. Normal retro gamers have multiple genres they enjoy.

[Anonymous No.5140173]

>>5135521
DEMONSTAR + SM1 & 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5haI2g1xPsE

[Anonymous No.5140227]

>>5140110
>Besides, nothing was said about /shmupg/.
>uses that desperate "/jarpig/" term that only those autists use
Right.

[Anonymous No.5140240]

>>5139883
That's a rather sound post, why would /vr/ (whatever that means) hate you for that? Emulation is perfectly fine.

[Anonymous No.5140639]

>>5140110
>Because that's what happens every time I post in the board
Then maybe you should take some advice from /shmupg/ and just not post here.

[Anonymous No.5140645]

>>5140110
>Besides, nothing was said about /shmupg/.
>/jarpig/
Go back to your hole and stay there. You've been told time and time again.

[Anonymous No.5140646]

>>5140639
>>5140645
>shmup info / advice verboten

[Anonymous No.5140650]

Grats to /shmupg/ for yet another successful board raid. Rent free, I guess.

[Anonymous No.5140652]

>>5140650
>answering a legit shmup question nobody else could answer correctly
>raid
>>5140646

[Anonymous No.5140656]

>>5140652
>actually believing that you have some sort of secret knowledge about video games
>making sure everyone knows you're /shmupg/ by telling them in every post you make
>making sure to reply to every shitpost because derailing this thread is more important than just ignoring it

[Anonymous No.5140659]

>>5135521
While it was overrated to the meme tier level... Musha on sega is actually good!

[Anonymous No.5140660]

>>5140656
nobody else in the thread answered him for five hours. And I haven't brought up that thread at all. epic strawman bro

[Anonymous No.5140662]

>>5140660
correction: actually closer to 3, had to double check. Sorry for that
Also, I've spoken about this topic quite a few times, not many know it in the community

[Anonymous No.5140664]

>>5140660
Yeah, so epic bro. Just like this thread derail that you pathetic little faggots will inevitably blame on fictional crossboarding troll. So, again, grats on that.

[Anonymous No.5140665]

>>5140664
You're welcome, shmup player

[Anonymous No.5140668]

>>5140659
I like MUSHA but it's my least favorite compile game I've played so far. I really like Zanac Neo and Power Strike.

[Anonymous No.5140672]

>>5140665
>shmup player
You should try it sometime. It's a lot better than just sitting in a thread dedicated to a game genre and instead wasting your time crying about "jarpigs" and "le j00s" while you plan your next crossboard shitposting fest.

[Anonymous No.5140674]

>inb4 "wot u ply hurrrrr"

[Anonymous No.5140675]

>>5140672
wot u ply hurrrr

[Anonymous No.5140678]

lel

[Anonymous No.5140681]

>>5140672
Want to see me stream? Because I'm known for having done that.

[Anonymous No.5140682]

>>5140681
What are you thinking about playing?

[Anonymous No.5140683]

>>5140681
>Want to see me stream?
Not really. Must not be very good if all you do is waste your time in "jarpig central" baiting in threads. Am I supposed to know who you are?

[Anonymous No.5140685]

>>5140681
>Want to see me stream?
>le ebip "boomer" drink can meemay
>literal neckbeard
am i being rused?

[Anonymous No.5140687]

>>5140682
Work on your English. I could give several different games a go, even fighting game 1CC.

>>5140683
It's so you stop with your nonsense of that community never playing, but we all know you never will.

>>5140685
I actually did that stunt because I needed sunglasses (Turbo Force flashing annoyed my eyes), I don't do that otherwise and I'm shaved now anyway.

[Anonymous No.5140691]

>tfw no PC that can run MAME

[Anonymous No.5140692]

>>5140687
What's wrong with my english? If you're taking recommendations I'd be interested in Viper Phase 1 either version

[Anonymous No.5140693]

>>5140687
>but we all know you never will.
Oh cool, then you have little reason to still be here shitposting then. Take care.

[Anonymous No.5140694]

>>5140693
>hurr anything I don't like is a shitpost
He's here to talk with those of us who actually want to talk about shmups.

[Anonymous No.5140696]

>>5140692
that about is kinda unnatural IMO but I could be wrong. I could play that one but my experience with it is quite limited, only the first three stages or so for a bit. Seemed fun.

[Anonymous No.5140697]

>>5140694
He's here to bait and shitpost, as are the rest of you. Fuck off already.

[Anonymous No.5140701]

>>5140697
MOMMY THE SHMUP PLAYERS ARE HERE

[Anonymous No.5140702]

>>5140694
>actually want to talk about shmups.
>"ok here is some expert level shmups talk but you little faggo jarpigs better not report me btw i'm from shmupgee in case u didn't no"
am i being rused?

[Anonymous No.5140705]

>>5140702
>btw i'm from shmupgee in case u didn't no
Making shit up and not talking about shmups seems to be your thing.

[Anonymous No.5140707]

>>5140705
>directly referring to a post in this very thread
>Making shit up
am i being rused?

[Anonymous No.5140708]

>>5140701
>MOMMY THE SHMUPG PLAYERS ARE HERE
ftfy, nnttm

[Anonymous No.5140709]

ANYWAYS, ignoring shitposters like >5140702
and >5140697, what shmup are you playing bros? For me it's Thundeforce 2, the best orientation-changing shmup. :)

[Anonymous No.5140710]

>>5140709
>starts flamewar
>wot u ply?
like pottery

[Anonymous No.5140713]

>>5140709
That's not Lifeforce

[Anonymous No.5140717]

>5140710
this shitposter is BEGGING for attention, but do not give in my fellow shmupfans!

>>5140713
I just do not like Konami shmups

[Anonymous No.5140721]

>>5140717
>comes here to deliberately start a shitshow
>we good boy we dindu nuffin! wot u ply?
like some sort of vessel made out of clay

[Anonymous No.5140726]

>5140721
the more we talk about shmups, the more this shitposter is weakened! I tend to think the reason I don't like Konami shmups is the environmental hazards, but I love R-type. Weird, isn't it?

[Anonymous No.5140734]

>>5140709
>>5140713
Last shmup I played was Mars Matrix since MAME 0.203 has improved QSound and I wanted to test it, and since I like that game a lot I went for a full session with it. I did better at than a year ago or so when I played it more regularly.

>>5140726
Then that must not be the reason by logic.

[Anonymous No.5140735]

>>5140717
>>5140726
I like R-Type more than Gradius for sure, but I actually think environmental hazards in hori shmups are awesome. Take Thunder Force III for example - the levels wouldn't be as memorable if they were just enemies.

Lifeforce is special to me because coop

[Anonymous No.5140736]

>>5140726
>stop participating in the flamewar we started little jarpigs! it's okay for us to do this to you, but you have to take it. we're your betters, remember little jarpiggerinos?
>wot u ply?
like an object similar to a container made of ceramic, made for the purpose of holding liquids or perhaps flowers

[Anonymous No.5140740]

>>5140734
at it*

>>5140735
Try Giga Wing, it's the best co-op shmup I've played. 1CC'd with a buddy over a few days on Fightcade this summer.

[Anonymous No.5140746]

>5140736
the shitposter is getting desperate! keep going bros!

>>5140734
I played Mars Matrix for the first time in a good while a few weeks and got utterly btfo. I remembered the game being a lot easier for whatever reason.

>>5140735
I actually agree on Thunderforce III, the environmental hazards definitely give the game a very unique charm that I like. It's like I only dislike environments in Gradius or something.

[Anonymous No.5140748]

>>5140740
Right now I'm in a situation where my PC is absolute dogshit - no sound card, weak processor etc. MAME runs like shit. I'm consolefagging for the foreseeable future due to financial constraints

[Anonymous No.5140752]

>>5140746
Mars Matrix, while not the hardest shmup to survive, is far from trivial. Perhaps you played it on a Dreamcast, or with lower than usual dips in service mode?

>>5140748
Keep that in mind then for when you can then.

[Anonymous No.5140758]

>>5140752
I actually did play it on the Dreamcast. Is that version different?

[Anonymous No.5140760]

>>5140746
>let's all just relax and talk about shmups!
>nevermind the fact that we came over here and shitposted yet another pointless flamewar into existence
>wot u ply?
in a manner not unlike decorated kiln-fired goods meant to be functional as well as decorative

[Anonymous No.5140761]

>>5140758
It is, it lacks a counterstop for instance.

[Anonymous No.5140763]

>5140760
this shitposter is on the ropes! we've got him now bros!

>>5140761
Well I knew about the lack of counterstop, but I didn't realize there were any other changes.

[Anonymous No.5140767]

>5140763
>i'll just keep pretending that i'm not a crossboarding troll! we've had our fun anyway.
>wot u ply?
in a fashion not at all unlike pic related, but not necessary exactly. like, it could maybe have a different pattern on it, and that would be ok too

[Anonymous No.5140769]

>>5140763
Yeah there are several slight changes.
My coolest experience with MM was when I managed to get a full cube chain in stage 5. I've praised the game quite a bit, my favorite bullet hell.

[Anonymous No.5140784]

What's everyone's opinion on Einhander?

[Anonymous No.5140787]

>>5140784
I do not care for it.

[Anonymous No.5140790]

>>5140784
Wasn't it just Playstation, sorry "PSX" anti-skill not arcade garbage?

[Anonymous No.5140792]

>>5140790
Not every game made for console is anti-skill. I'm the guy with no PC so I've been playing a lot of console games.

[Anonymous No.5140801]

>>5140792
>Not every game made for console is anti-skill.
If it didn't see an arcade release, it's literally anti-skill. Or so I'm told.

[Anonymous No.5140802]

>>5140801
>or so I'm told.
See: the entire Thunder Force series

[Anonymous No.5140806]

>>5140792
>I'm the guy with no PC
You're talking about buying an actual copy of Einhander then? But you presumably have no money for a PC? I'm not sure this is the best plan.

>>5140802
>thunder force
>not arcade
?

[Anonymous No.5140814]

>>5140806
Nah lol I have a modded PSOne and burned discs. I am what you would call a poor person

[Anonymous No.5140819]

>>5140814
Ahh, hadn't considered that. Probably the way to do it considering what Ein typically goes for these days. Even if you had money I'm not sure you'd want to pay that much for a Playstation game.

[Anonymous No.5140820]

Why do certain people claimto have skill if all they do is copy monkey stuff from japanese players? If only they were relevant, but not even that.

[Anonymous No.5140828]

>>5140820
I don't know, I'm pretty new to the genre and have a mild interest in it (not passionate) so I didn't know this was a practice that went on a lot. It does make sense to copy the techniques of better players though - when I was new to SF I would literally watch Daigo videos over and over.

[Anonymous No.5140830]

I've tried some shmups on CRT 240p and the difference vs LCD is huge. Background scrolling is super sharp, no ghosting. Picture looks deeper, less flat, you can tell which clouds are on the foreground and background. I can't play old shmups on lcd anymore.

[Anonymous No.5140831]

>>5140819
Actually, I take this back. It's come down a fair amount recently. Complete for less than $100 isn't that bad.
https://www.pricecharting.com/game/playstation/einhander?q=einhander

[Anonymous No.5140832]

>>5140828
The difference is that fighting games you're playing against humans, so you can't copy 1:1 because each match will be different.
I like shmups as well, but I don't go around claiming to be skilled just because I can 1cc stuff.

[Anonymous No.5140838]

Best PlayStation shmup, or console game as a whole I've played is Gradius Gaiden.

[Anonymous No.5140852]

>>5140838
Yeah that game is fucking awesome. It's coop too which makes it a 10/10

[Anonymous No.5141394]

>>5135521
Twin Cobra, Raiden, Outzone
have the best SHMUP music. Fight me.

[Anonymous No.5141397]

>>5141394
Raiden 2, Radiant Silvergun, Progear and RType 3. Chequem8.

[Anonymous No.5141634]

>>5140830
Finally, someone gets it....

[Anonymous No.5141681]

>>5140819
JP copy is still relatively cheap.

[Anonymous No.5141736]

Play Progear, now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTA3bTbSkv4

This game is amazing, great art, music and precise timing and tactics needed (your ship slows down as you shoot so you can't just spam your shit non-stop).

[Anonymous No.5141747]

>>5141736
runs perfectly smooth on retroarch, cps2 emulator, Vita, or w/e you like.

[Anonymous No.5141750]

>>5135521

hi OP

Hitlist of shooting games devs:

Psikyo, Raizing, Cave, Compile, Toaplan, Sunsoft, tecnosoft, naxat, video system, kaneko, seta, seibu kaihatsu

Shitlist of shooting game devs:

Treasure, Konami

[Anonymous No.5142291]

>>5135521
This is a very good old skool shmup on the Neo Geo / Arcade.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZN0b4STzwU

[Anonymous No.5142447]

>>5140784
Haven't played it in a long time, but I enjoyed it.

[Anonymous No.5143548]

>>5140784
Einhander is great, one of the best. But it's also....literally HITLER look at this cover...

[Anonymous No.5143617]

>>5140832
Most 1cc's are basic and don't require even a fraction of what goes into high level scoring. Besides, copying superplays will drive you mad unless you're already very good at the game, what usually happens is you pick up certain strategies which you can execute consistently and incorporating them into your own routes. And even then this is after you're very familiar with a given part of a game you're trying to optimize.