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What was the best retro Star Wars game and why was it Dark Forces?

>> No.5129171
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5129171

>>5129135
Because it was Dark Forces 2.

>> No.5129202

>>5129171
replaying this now, the puzzle-like level design keeps it feeling fun in ways that modern FPS games rarely do (and certainly not to the same extent).

>>5129135
I never made it past the sewer level in Dark Forces. The constantly respawning tentacle monsters frustrated the shit out of me. Also the fact that the game has "lives" makes me uncertain if I should actually use those lives or just quick save / load like every other FPS ever.

>> No.5129210

>>5129135
The maps were mostly all different in terms of looks and they felt like real places in their layout. Having a mission objective was nice too, even if some amounted to just "fetch X then return to drop zone."
Also those concussion rifle guys on Hard difficulty are the worst. Even the Dark Troopers are less bullshit than them.

>> No.5129209

Rebel Assault is so underrated. Interactive FMV extravaganza.

>> No.5129212
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5129212

Not even close

>> No.5129234

>>5129212
Sure, gramps.

>> No.5129314
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>>5129171
FPBP. DF2/MotS was miles above any other retro SW game. DF2 was more well-known (and had way more mods/levels) but MotS was comfy as fuck and had my favorite levels.
>fucking up imperials on the asteroid
>infiltrating the hutt's palace, getting caught, and fighting a rancor
>fighting pirates on the new republic ship
>that creepy ass sith temple at the end
Fuck, bros. I miss these games so much but I can't get them to run worth a shit on modern PCs. Wish they had a source port so I could play these again.

>> No.5129316

>>5129135
Shit doom clone
>>5129171
shit quake clone
>>5129212
correct

>> No.5129418
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5129418

>>5129135
that's a very strange way to spell TIE FIGHTER

>> No.5129446

>>5129316
>shit doom clone
Despite adding jumping, ducking, throwable grenades and levels with layers on top of each other, which doom couldn’t do.

I also forgot the objective based mission structure of doom, along with extensive cutscenes and voiceover. Totally a doom thing.

>>5129171
The real answer, though I like Mysteries of the sith a bit more.

>> No.5129448
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5129448

>>5129418
>I like xwing alliance the best but no one talks about it.

>> No.5129515

>>5129418
>>5129448
shit Wing Commander clones

>> No.5129517

>>5129212
Not only the best Star Wars game, but one of the best games ever made, period.

>> No.5129520

>>5129209
I couldn't get past the early level (first or second?) where you have to fly through a canyon.

>> No.5129793
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5129793

basically aoe2 with a star wars skin

>> No.5129910

>>5129793
Loved this game as a kid

>> No.5129917

>>5129793
Force Commander was better.

>> No.5129925
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5129925

Some Force Commando music kino: https://youtu.be/yCU_6IFc9t0

>> No.5129938

>>5129202
No monsters respawn on Dark Forces, and the game has no quick save.

>> No.5130073

>>5129917
never played, is it worth playing?
reviews are not so good
>>5129925
cool music btw

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>>5129917
>Force Commander
>better than anything

>> No.5130181
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>>5129209
>Rebel Assault is so underrated
you're either trolling or never played it

>> No.5130389

>>5130181
Everybody knows Rebel Assault 2is the true GOAT

>> No.5130429

>>5129793
This game was the fucking shit. Used to play it every christmas eve with my younger brother.

>> No.5130452

>>5129316
>>5129515
shit poster

>> No.5130926
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5130926

>>5129135
>>5129171
>>5129212
>>5129418
it's a tie

>> No.5130927

>>5129135
Dark Forces was awesome because it was the first time that you could honestly claim to shoot stormtroopers "for real." To be honest, though, the engine really held it back; It was back in the pre-Quake era where it didn't have honest "room-over-room" polygon tech.

Admittedly, the story was a bit meh ("Dark Trooper"... Seriously, which 15 year old did they get to write THAT?) and it also reflected the "every level is completely different than the previous one" aesthetic that FPS games had at the time (The ice level! The sewer level! The space base level!).

I was really looking forward to the JK2 mod conversion of DF that, sadly, never came to be. That would've been fun.

>> No.5130952

>>5130927
check out the dark forces engine upgrade called dark xl. heres a setup guide

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNK9CuSPcx0

>> No.5130958

>>5130952
heres a video of how it looks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGpr0fwD1iE

>> No.5131050

>>5130952
>>5130958
Every DarkXL link i found goes to a site with a dead download, and the forums are overrun with spambots.
Anyone has a working download?

>> No.5131075

>>5131050


try this

http://web.archive.org/web/20170505142111/http://xlengine.com/downloads/

or this if you really cant do it.

http://web.archive.org/web/20170421012936/http://xlengine.com/Downloads/XL_Engine_Release_02.zip

>> No.5131320

>>5130073
reviewers were too pleb to get used to the controls, because it was one of the first full 3D RTS engines

>> No.5131519

>>5129448
it's alright imo but not as exciting as x-wing or Tie-fighter. besides once you fly a tie fighter, you never go back. those x-wing are flying bricks

>> No.5131568

>>5131050
Save yourself the trouble and ignore darkxl entirely. It's abandoned and not recommendable.

>> No.5131574

>>5129202
I remember getting frustrated with that one as a youngin'. I played it later in my early 20s and eventually beat it. Its a tough cookie, but fun af. No walkthroughs either afaik.

>> No.5131598

>>5130926
Heh, good post
But not with this meme arcade game

>> No.5131607

>>5131574
Thanks for an honest reply, some other guy just said that there aren't respawning enemies.

Probably true, but those tentacle beasts in the sewers sure feel like they're respawning and it really stresses me out.

I'm actually stuck in my Dark Forces 2 playthrough for a similar reason, there's a canyon level with bunkers you can't enter, and I swear the stormtroopers coming from them are infinitely respawning.

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>>5129135
At this point, OG Battlefront II has to be considered retro now, right?

>> No.5132656

>>5131519
X-wing alliance is better than both of them anyways.

>> No.5132684

>>5132437
What is with this self-imposed "Xbox is okay because it's old" meme that you keep posting?

>> No.5132685

>>5129135

One of the finest FPS games to be released on Macintosh. Mac rarely got good PC games, and when they did the ports were often shitty.

But not LucasArts. They did top-shelf Mac versions, often improved over the PC ones.

>> No.5132695

>>5132685
I mean hey, Mac had Marathon too, so it can’t be all bad.

>> No.5132747

>>5132685
>playing games on Mac
I mean, there’s your problem right there.

>> No.5132762

>>5132747
Have fun playing dark forces on your pc at a shitty resolution, faggot fucker. Twice the pixels on mac. Go suck windows dick

>> No.5132795

>>5129793
Holy shit is it actually a star wars rts??

>> No.5132883

>>5132795
There are 4 star wars RTSs you fucking redditor scum

>> No.5132898

>>5132795
done by the same guys behind age of empires nonetheless

>> No.5132924
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5132924

Either this or Rogue Squadron would be my pick.

>> No.5132951

>>5132795
There is more, 'empire at war' was an rts too.

>> No.5133570

>>5132898
Explains why it's so damn good, though i still prefer Empire at War (but it's not retro)

>>5132883
Does Rebellion/Supremacy really count? or is there another one i don't remember.

>>5132924
I still can't beat Darth Vader in that game. You'd think after 20 years it would finally get easy, but NOPE.

>> No.5133635

>>5132951
What genre do you put rebellion in, dumbass?

>> No.5133639

>>5133570
Meant to reply to your dumbass in my above post.

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>>5133635
>>5133639
>Calls someone a dumbass
>Proceeds to fuck up by quoting another post, even though it’s only one post above theirs.
Pottery

>> No.5133973

>>5132762
Dude I'm not that guy but chill the fuck out. It's cool that the Mac version has double the resolution but it would have been far cooler if it was scalable.
As it is, it's still a terrific port, but Mac wasn't really the best place for synthesized music, and it happens to sound much less convincing than the FM option which at least had three times the available channels. Also, while the resolution is greater, the system can't do anything to correct the aspect ratio, which is a little squished.

>>5130952
>>5130958
>>5131050
>>5131075
This right here >>5131568

That port is around the same level as the average Blood port that is not GDX. Bugs galore, non-working music and braindead enemies. It's very sad most people on YouTube had to subject themselves to that shit just because they could get them modern controls and gfx. IMO the original software rendering has far more atmosphere, even moreso than Doom.

>> No.5134259

>>5132762
Sure, and I’ll also be on the system that actually has games to play.

>> No.5134314

>>5129212
Good game but X-Wing for DOS was better.

>> No.5134334

>>5132656
XWA was mildly disappointing. Maybe it was just that I was bored of the combat sim style, but after the wow factor of all the different ships it just wasn't as fun to play for some reason. I don't know if it was the plot or missions or just that the name "Azameen" sounded dumb to me, but it just didn't hold my attention like the originals.

>> No.5134337

>>5134334
That’s fair, I personally loved the plot and mission structure, and the fact that it looked pretty great and had all those ships put it a little ahead of TIE Fighter for me.

Was X-wing vs TIE fighter good? Heard mixed opinions about it

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>>5134337
it was great for coop and multiplayer.
most missions are pretty awesome and action packed. you are always shooting, dogfighting and intercepting bombers.

>> No.5134368

Are the sim games like Tie Fighter playable with either M+KB or an XBox controller? I don't have a flight stick.

Do they even still run decently on modern machines?

>> No.5134380

>>5134368
>Tie Fighter playable with either M+KB
i think the 1994 version let's you but 1995 and 1998 won't run if you don't have a controller
>or an XBox controller?
yes
>Do they even still run decently on modern machines?
yeah.

>> No.5134869

>>5134368
Is really recommend getting at least a mid range stick for games like X-Wing/Tie Fighter, really helps with the control and immersion.

>> No.5134885

>>5129135
I remember putting the demo to this game aside because I didn't care about Star Wars. What a mistake that was. I played that half-level demo over and over until I got the full version. After that I decided not to ignore games based on their franchise.

>> No.5135073

>>5134334
>Azameen
they were space arabs
but it was kino you could fly all the neutral fighters

>> No.5135183

>>5134885
I did the same for the Lord of the Rings era games because I’m wasn’t a big fan of Tolkien at the time. Huge mistake, those games were pretty fun.

>> No.5135493

>>5134869
I'm broke and struggling to get the cash to fix my car, so buying new vidya stuff isn't in the cards for me right now. If it doesn't play well with an XBox controller I'm just not going to play it, lol.

>> No.5135513

>>5135493
That’s fair. It should still work, but I’d still recommend at least KB+M because of how somewhat complex the controls can be.

>> No.5136386

>>5135493
Can only speak for X-wing alliance, but it's playable with a 360 controller. Not super great, but playable. Afaik I've installed a controller mod that took care of the sensitivity.

>> No.5136538

>>5136386
I might have to try that out as well, since i have a shitty logitech joystick from like, 2011.

>> No.5138256

>>5134337
>Was X-wing vs TIE fighter good? Heard mixed opinions about it
I didn't play it much. I remember setting up the multiplayer some friends in my residence hall at college. But they all preferred FPS for multiplayer and we only played XvT once or twice.

>> No.5138257

>>5134380
yeah the DOS versions didn't require the controller. frankly otherwise I never would have played these games.

>> No.5138270

>>5129135

www.df-21.net

Someone is apparently working on a remake of Secbase using the Unreal 4 engine.

>> No.5138462

>>5138270
Wish they'd do a remake trilogy with Raven software... but now that they're mainly diong Call of Duty map packs i guess thats out of the question.